It can be detected with cheap cameras.
F-35 is already obsolete
Checked.
Stealth fags don't appreciate how cooked they really are.
Not fighting dumb fucking arabs equipped with Vietnam era AA systems that they don't even know how to use properly.
that's fine. everybody already got paid. mission accomplished.
Also satellite cameras can see them.
So Ziggers were right for not falling into Stealth meme?
thats in visual range though, the whole point is beyond visual range
YOU CAN PHYSICALLY SEE AIRPLANES
woah...
Under 30 km no plane is stealth anyway.
Since the Iranian drone attack on Israel I have suspected there is already a space based system for detecting aircraft.
Networked sensors can get a position in space.
cheap cameras, capturing a jet flying at mach-3
visually capturing the entire sky in a 50 mile radius in real time
F-35 doesn't fly near your shitty cameras, it fires standoff missiles from 300km away and fucks off, not even bothering to look at the explosion.
defeats your detection
can they do that with ufos now
This. But after that F35 has slight advantage to 4 gen fighters. But once its detected its pretty much dead
5mp IP cameras are like $10 now.
Anon, try filming a normal airplane with your actually good camera and realize you used your brain to actually see and capture it. And it was flying much slower than a fighter jet on a bombing run. Now consider the logistics of actually do this with a net of shitty 5MP cameras using AI.
You didn't watch the video.
I don't care what your Chinese propaganda lies about. I know how technology works.
They're almost two decades old at this point. Why would you expect anything else?
I can put an iPhone camera next to an airbase where they come for landing and spot them
Doesn’t mean my iPhone camera can spot them when they’re on a mission near the target
You didn't watch the video.
this is retarded why would the f-35 fly over you when it can just launch a missile from 100 miles away you fucking retarded faggot nigger
can't put cameras 150 miles away.
Checked
do you not understand what stealth technology is?
You didn't watch the video.
fighter
bombing run
put em up your ass and check for brain damage instead
im not going to make a reddit account make a webm faggot
Yes I did watch the video. He can detect slow low flying F35’s in friendly setting coming in for landing with a camera.
Let’s see him doing that on a moonless night with cloud coverage at max altitude flying faster than the speed of sound which is what would be used in a mission scenario.
they'll do airstrikes at night
So now the F-35 is limited to action on low lunar illumination nights. Maybe there is a way to predict this time in the future.
The justification for F35's high price was that buyers would save a ton on munitions, because the stealth plane could get close enough to use cheap JDAMs instead of having to rely on expensive stand-off missiles.
The image sensor can still detect movement in the dark. Might as well paint the F-35 black too.
know what can also be detected with cheap cameras
troons, AI still labels them properly along with niggers:
man and gorilla
Okay just get like 3HQ cameras on some drones flying overhead and you could fucking catch them all day.
Always was. Stealth is meant to protect against radar detection. In Yugoslavia they also limited operations to good weather conditions for the stealth aircraft.
The nighthawk that got shot down in Bosnia was flying on a cloudless full moon night for example.
This means Israeli F-35s can be detected passively.
This could be done with thermal cameras too. Jet exhaust from stealth planes is just as hot.
"Stealth" planes arent invisible to radar anyway. The F17 got shot down by an AA system from the 1960's.
The nighthawk that got shot down in Bosnia was flying on a cloudless full moon night
The missile that destroyed it did not use the visible light spectrum.
hmm thats funny, seeing how the f117 wasnt on paper until 1970 and didnt fly until what, 83?
I think it’s humorous that the government became so paranoid about camera and internet spying it made their weapons obsolete
do you think the visible light spectrum isn't used at night?
democrats.
democrats are the ones saying everyone is equal and we should let them into our country. and them into our society. and then into our military.
how many chinks got caught selling navy secrets last year alone?
The US Government has already banned cheap internet connected security cameras over security concerns.
You need to point the radar in the right location to get a ping.
Guess how they knew where to point it, big brain.
f-35
mach 3
Man are you shills retarded.
No, this is a passive undetectable cheap sensor net that localizes the plane. This lets the defender set up SAM ambushes, either with point blank pop up or SAMs are the launched to the area whereupon their active radar kicks on and its adios muchachos for the spic pilot. Same way Serbia destroyed two F-117s.
Aerial bombing and surveillance operations require overflight.
Small drones have shit endurance and big ones are sitting ducks. A ground based passive sensor net is the superior counter to stealth.
This could be done with thermal cameras too.
visible light
ok and by the time you can see it, you have a HARM up your ass coming over the horizon.
one guy was an incredibly smart radar tech who pushed the button at exactly the right moment
by the time you can see it, you have a HARM up your ass
Yeah, and if he turns it on at the wrong moment he gets 1-shot by radar detectors.
Guess how we knew when and where to turn it on.
when we first got them here, I ran outside first time I heard them. I could tell the difference between the f-16s and them, these days I can't
buurp..
They already had one tagged by Syria. The “bird strike” that coincided with the IAF ceasing all overflights of Syria by ALL their planes.
Older radars are better at stealth detection due to their longer wavelengths. But they are shittier when it comes to targeting. Hence the lob and pray approach Serbia used.
Lmao do you honestly think we find targets with visible light BEFORE using radar? It’s called a radar sweep not an optical scan for a reason…
No, this is a passive undetectable cheap sensor net that localizes the plane. This lets the defender set up SAM ambushes
This is the part people aren't getting. Passive detection that lets you get a vector on the target without turning on forward AA radars is huge. You can fire a volley of SAMs on an intercept that will use the on-board active homing once they get close.
Lmao, do you think cameras EMIT light?
Lmao, not how it works. It takes time for the plane to notice, the pilot to fire a harm (if he has any), the missile to fly to the radar. All of that btw is VISIBlE to the radar operator.
And the countermeasure?
Turn the radar off.
Checked.
only one f117 was shot down in yugoslavia you boner
It can be detected with cheap cameras.
youtube.com
What about network latency.
Still need the missile to hit the target on its own.
No, I don’t think you do because your entire strategy relies on aerial superiority.
When you’ve lost aerial superiority to your opponent though suddenly you cannot have radars in operation continuously or they get pin-pointed from electromagnetic radiation/polarization analysis.
Then suddenly you can only turn it on in discrete brief windows. And here you absolutely need visual or audio intel to optimize the probability of detecting an enemy aircraft when you decide to turn on the radar.
This is exactly what they did in Yugoslavia on that cloudless full moon night with the nighthawk.
Conditions were ideal and hence the US Air Force stopped hitting targets under these conditions afterwards.
It wasn't 'lob and pray'.
The USAF was sending sorties on the same flight path at the same time every night. Serbs anticipated where the planes would be, so could point their radars in right direction and instantly get a lock.
Unlike the dumb fuck Iraqi's, they actually understood how their S-125 systems work, and kept the radar on long enough for missiles to be guided to the target they were illuminating.
Lmao. TWO were hit by missiles. One crashed the other limped back to back where it was promptly scrapped because it was fucked internally. They got lucky it was still fly able.
How do you NOT know this?
Right? Suddenly the hunter becomes the hunted and the stealth aircraft now is back to the same shitty scary interdiction game from Vietnam.
It takes time to pack all the equipment up and move position. Once they’ve constrained your position from the initial EM-wave polarization it doesn’t matter if you turned it off the position is still there and detected until you get your ass out of there you’re pinpointed.
Why are Israeli's scared to fly them near Iran????
Its just detection so far. Fire control comes later.
If the cameras can get a vector on the planes, the SAM's don't need to turn on their radars and expose themselves to HARM missiles. They can just fire their missiles on an intercept course, and the missiles can use their on-board active homing radars once they get near.
Yeah and they had spotters setup to rely info along those predicted paths.
He didn’t just turn it on randomly because he thought at 9:14 PM they flew around here yesterday.
You 1 try to predict paths in advance, and 2 use spotters or equipment for intel, and if 2 verifies 1 then you turn on at the right moment
Yeah and guess what the cameras need for that: ideal conditions.
what? I thought the yugos only got one?
also for some reason, we used to have our own topgear. so this idiot goes in an f-16, note the age
it was a funny show you just have to see it to understand
youtu.be
Network-centric warfare.
the second one could still fly, no? are you some ESL faggot?
Manned anything is obsolete
the yugos said one. "american sources" said two: one destroyed, one hit that was grounded and never repaired
It's the stealth aircraft you don't know about that you should really be worried about...
Lmao, so why’d a second F-117 get tagged by a missile pal? Right, it’s not the weather or the route. Long wave radar to localize the plane to within a few kms, blind fire ballistic launch of SAM to that AO. The active radar kicks in about 5km out, and it’s shot your pants time for the F-117 crew.
You act like an ambush strategy is a bad one. It preserves your SAMs, preserves your radars (HARMs are useless if the radar is off), preserves your soldiers, allows you force your enemy to expend munitions, forces them to give up on CAS, and gives your troops breathing room to reduce the effectiveness of your airstrikes. See Serbia and Yemen for examples of how an ambush style AD prevents targeting of temporally sensitive targets such as groups of soldiers.
Also air superiority is fine to give up. Air superiority simply means you cannot operate flights over your enemy. Air SUPREMACY is what you don’t want to give up and is precisely what pop up ambush SAMs do.
Reminds me of dji drones used by police departments. They were banned but the police keep buying them
Military has had a love view version of Google maps for a long time.
Have you seen the new F35? No? Then shut the fuck up.
okay it wasn't as funny as I expected for foreign or not autofil watchers, so he just used to do this idiot laugh.. nvm.. it can't be translated. shit was uploaded on youtube 18 years ago man... god I am old... 18 years ago...
btw the pilots here absolutely love the f-35s, we almost got gripens some political shit from the us side, basically forced to get f-35s
sven is supposed to realease a new plane but I am not sure if it's just a new gripen or a next gen, I thought next gen we'll see
Kind of limits them to visual range, but yeah if it's in their own territory that they have many cameras or on a satellite, probably.
But once its detected
You can just take the Serbian and Iraqi approach and blindfire into the night sky.
Is it covered in the Epstein files? That way no one can see ?
so it got recovered?
what system did the yugos have btw to shoot it down and detect it?
Aircraft in the context of modern countries going to war are obsolete in general. World war 3 is going to be decided with nukes so fast that they can’t be stopped more retaliated against. Both sides have nuclear capable railguns fyi.
One day we we will wake up and either US or China will be completely levelled, an incredibly amount of innocent people are going to die and that is extremely sad.
So explain the second one hot by a missile. Which was on a different route on a cloudy night. Oh right you can’t. Log and pray is precisely how the Serbian SAM operators did it. And it works, because nothing is stealth at close range so if you can get your missile close the active homing will do the rest.
Incorrect. See you don’t have a GPS fix, you have a rough distance and direction. It has error bars on the order of kms when you are at long range. Which is to say you know “there is a Sam that way”. Not “there is a Sam at these specific coordinates”. Further how long do you think the take down reposition resetup process takes?
Bingo. And once those puppies turn on escape is damn near impossible. It’s why we aren’t flying F-35s over Yemen (nor B2s) and instead using them as expensive as fuck cruise missile launchers.
Put them on buoys around Diego Garcia.
we are flying B2's over yemen you dipshit
Shooting down straight white men is a nuclear red line for Trump.
No you don't.
Lmao, so why’d a second F-117 get tagged by a missile pal?
The fuck are you talking about? You’re mixing up Vega 31 nighthawk with the badger-1 F16 that got shot down? Vega 31 didn’t have any wingman who had any lock.
You act like an ambush strategy is a bad one.
No, I’m telling you ideal conditions increase the probability of such strategies yielding a result.
Also air superiority is fine to give up. Air superiority simply means you cannot operate flights over your enemy. Air SUPREMACY is what you don’t want to give up
If you lose air superiority you cannot have radars on continuously.
have you guys seens this btw? swedish pilots are supposed to be the best. and you know since sweden and finland now are nato, it seems like we're adopting finnish-swedish doctrine, as in pilots are supposed to be able to land on roads
and even american pilots have done this here
Yep, they tagged a second one. Same SAM crew btw using the same engagement strategy. At which point we withdrew the F-117s from the war.
twz.com
It wasn’t a one and done based on stupid operational planning like the narrative. It was Serbia found a way to kill stealth aircraft. Crazy huh?
Lmao, trying to hide the fact that TWO different F-117s got hit by SAM missiles and were destroyed (the second never flew again, it just managed to make it back to base), and the second one fixed ALL the mistakes of the first.
New route
Cloudy weather
No radio contact
And still got tagged. Oh and btw the F-117s stealth profile is superior to ALL modern day stealth aircraft expect the B2.
Make sure to save a copy of the video and github software before it gets memoryholed and USG scares off the developer.
I don't think anyone will actually use the nukes until the last possible moment. People will fight it out with airplanes, drones and ships first.
Microphones on balloons would be able to hear jets from far away. They are noisy.
checked.
bretty cool but there are problems.
cant hurt to use have it though.
Incorrect. See you don’t have a GPS fix, you have a rough distance and direction. It has error bars on the order of kms when you are at long range. Which is to say you know “there is a Sam that way”.
Correct about direction and not GPS. The amount of accuracy on the polarization of the EM-wave detection depends on the equipment being used and the amount and geometry of the aircraft detecting it.
In Yugoslavia you’d have AWACS and a geometric spread of aircraft to detect it and triangulate it.
If you have the correct geometry you can pin point it very accurately.
Further how long do you think the take down reposition resetup process takes?
Depends what’s being used. I think the Serb commander behind the nighthawk shoot down said they had optimized it to 15-25 mins if I remember correctly.
So what you're saying is that you can see a stealth fighter with your naked eye?! What a surprise. Not. Who did ever imply they were invisible?
I know I can hear the difference when military aircraft are flying over. I've thought about cataloging the audio. They could be identified by that profile the way submarines do.
Why would you give your opponent a chance when you have an instant win no rematch button?
The US is bound my AIPAC not to do anything that could ever result in mass nukes flying everywhere and destroying Israel if they fuck up
But China isn’t. So there’s no reason for China to hold back at all knowing that America will never really go full retard.
This is cool but not actually useful. Not in a real war.
For one, the F-35 or any other plane will be flying much much higher. This means in most cases cloud cover, but even in cases where you have a clear sky you need MUCH higher resolution cameras and exponentially more of them to have enough converging on the same point to get usable data. Then there’s the fact that you would somehow need these cameras in essentially enemy territory. Practically speaking this simply won’t be useful except to defend against deep strikes in your own territory assuming the plane isn’t launching standoff munitions. The best you could get is a frontal angle from your own territory. Maybe combo it with a satellite? More useful than nothing at all, but militarily this won’t matter. Had this tech existed 20 years ago sure but this simply doesn’t converge on current military doctrine for aircraft, stealth or not. This also doesn’t do anything to account for SEAD tactics really. Unless you’re hard wiring all these dozens of cameras to deal with Hunter strike teams looking for your launch sites, but that’s going to drive up cost and dramatically increase your susceptibility to have your cameras destroyed and no they won’t be cheap $10 cameras in reality if you want to deal with a 5th and soon to be 6th Gen aircraft. They’ll be vulnerable to almost as cheap drones and while that’s technically a cost win it’s not much of one if the drones knocking out your forward cameras open you to a close range air launched missile and now your multi million dollar Sam site is on fire or worse, the VIP it was stationed to protect.
First one crashed in Serbian territory and was paraded around on camera. The second managed to limp back to base where it was scrapped. Getting hit by a missile is not even a 50% guarantee your plane will crash. Because it’s a game of shrapnel. One takes out a critical flight system, welp have fun on the ground. None hit a critical system, huh this plane is flying a little funny. Holy shit how’d I fly it without a WING?!? (Btw that has happened)
No we aren’t. There has been precisely ZERO bomb camera from them. All strikes so far have been JASSMs where the B2 itself doesn’t have to overfly the target like a standard Mk84 does. Further not a single person has ever been able to take a picture of one despite the sheer number of cameras in this day and age. B2s aren’t flying into the Sam ambush AO end of story.
I've noticed since the skyking threads got more poplar most military aircraft in my area fly without ADSB.
War is countermeasures and counter counter measures and this tech isn’t new at all. It’s much older than stealth tech, visual triangulation. It’s pretty much fundamental to how early warning and layered AA defense and general detection systems operated for a long ass time it’s just reducing the cost and increasing the detection range with cameras. But it’s not a gotcha and doesn’t make stealth obsolete nor general aircraft on the whole. There’s way more than goes into detection avoidance and even then way more that goes into actually splashing a target than simply knowing it exists. Seeing a plane on your radar and actually being able to shoot it down are two different things. The war in Ukraine is perfect proof of this as both sides pretty much can’t shoot down the other via their defensive tactics even if they can detect them. Actual air losses are this point are super rare, and trying to put cameras behind enemy lines to see them wouldn’t actually help with this due to defensive tactics and use of terrain to foil missile attacks from the defender. H
I'm not saying your wrong but every encounter is a data set.
It may be that the U.S. Just doesn't want the f35 in any form of encounter that could give valuable data. I remember how pissed they were when they lost one at see because they simply didn't want anybody to get their hands on it (for the data). That's how the Mitsubishi zeros were eventually bested. Simply acquiring a crashed plane that was intact and using it to find its design flaws.
This is what close encounters give (on a smaller scale). Data that can be used in the future.
The Serbs knew where the nighthawk was coming from before hand and where it was going. They didn't pick up a signal till the last moment and even then they had the keys already in the ignition.
so I am obviously not a fightplane pilot I just needed this meme
It’s called triangulation. I know precisely where by cameras are, so with a simple direction and angle data I can localize the plane to within a few feet (and I just need to be within a few kilometers to achieve a successful intercept). Yes it’s fair weather only, but that then limits stealth aircraft if only being stealth in bad weather. Meaning most of the time the stealth aircraft are just shittt expensive version of the 4th gen’s they replaced. Which is a degradation of our air forces capabilities.
The US unironically thinks that stomping puny 3rd world countries like Iraq is a sound basis for military doctrine in a modern peer war.
Yeah, you need suitable conditions for optical detection, but Russia and China have operational depth and layered defense systems. There's long range radars and AWACS that will be beyond the range of anti-radiation missiles. You could fly low to avoid radar or fly high to avoid optical detection. Pick your poison.
Here is a backup of the video in case the original makes it to the threat matrix.
I thought most aircraft are engaging beyond visual range.
so radar is obsolete?
god we bombed libya to shit over 1000 sorties...
I'm glad we were not involved in yugosla.. we were not right?
pic unrelated
Whatever it is that's public is.
No, network-centric warfare will take in more types of information and help each others blind spot.
The F-35's Greatest Vulnerability Isn't Enemy Weapons. It's Being Hacked.
F-35 pilots are fond of saying that the plane is as much computer as fighter jet.
popularmechanics.com
As to the F-117 sure the first one was that way, the second one was NOT (which is precisely why you guys always talk about shoot downs rather than planes HIT by SAMs) and the second one took every precaution. Still got tagged.
As for the data, there is precisely no reason to NOT use the planes since we have already replaced more than half our air fleet with them. If we will never use them for fear of data leaking out then we will never use them at all and they are glorified paperweights which should be melted down for scrap. Weapons are meant to be used, and clearly our 4th gen’s are getting the job done. Therefore send in the F-35s, but that won’t happen because Assad already tagged an F-35 with a SAM proving that the stealth aspect is overrated.
UFOs are faster
Read my second post.
You cannot triangulate without a triangle and modern fighter doctrine hasn’t operated deep strikes in twenty years.
You don’t know what us military strategy is if you think they’re still using the same tactics as they were in 1991. You do know most of this info is public knowledge right? You don’t have to be wrong and talk out of your ass you can just Google how the us military has conducted air strikes for the past decade and change
Look at ukraine and Yemen. No, they aren’t. It all depends on environment, a SAM infested region forces all planes down to the nape of the earth. No high altitude, loitering overflight. At treetop level BVR combat is impossible.
That said there is zero reason as a defender I must colocated my SAM with this sensor net. Fiber optic cables exist and are super cheap. This I can target here and with a BVR SAM system engage the stealth aircraft. Via the lob and pray approach.
Perfect example actually, NATO aircraft were super duper successful over Libya and yet failed to deliver comparable results over Yugoslavia, or Yemen. Ambush SAM strategy significantly degrades the effectiveness of our airforces to the point we can really only hit large fixed targets like power plants and dams.
Uhhh IRST exists for decades now. This is cool and cheap but has it’s limitations.
F-35 isn’t “stealthy” in visible light spectrum.
I think it's the opposite. The US is ruled by Jews and full of Evangelical Christians. Abrahamic religions are apocalyptic death cults that believe in end time prophecies and great rewards in the afterlife.
On top of that, western oligarchs see their "countrymen" with utmost contempt. We're nothing but goyim, expendable at best, threatening at worst. They lose nothing in a MAD scenario as long as their ilk are safe in bunkers and can emerge to rule the ashes.
US will start a conventional war because "do nothing, lose" is unacceptable. Can't win a conventional war though, so it will either be go nuclear, or concede defeat.
Because you will be retaliated against and will never recover. Nukes will never be used first, I guarantee it. Its not an instant win button, its a guaranteed loss button for everyone. And everyone else understands that, even guys like Trump and Xi.
Via the lob and pray approach.
Nobody is going to do that.
You’re joking right? Have you missed the entirety of the war in Yemen? How the Israelis flew F-15s across the middle of it and one plane didn’t make it back? Or how the Syrians tagged an overflying F-35I and thereby stopped all deep strikes over their territory (until HTS won on the ground that is)
The core of our munitions are PGMs which are mostly just fancy bombs, guided by laser, GPS or optically. If we cannot fly our planes near the targets we will be unable to use the bulk of our arsenal and be forced to use standoff munitions like the JASSM against large fixed targets, temporally sensitive targets are simply unenviable without oversight capability.
You're telling me that it's not invisible?
Yemen is a mountain with nothing to bomb it has basically nothing in common with the Yugos
multirole combat aircraft
tactical strike mission
there you go, xir/xem
retard adds a note to his own comments
nothing he said is actually backed up
its all images with lines drawn on them
LOL
Serbia did it.
Syria did it
Yemen did it
And all were successful in preventing overflight bombing of their country.
Iraq did NOT do it
Libya did NOT do it
Lebanon did NOT do it
Syria after being taken by HTS did not do it.
And all of them are bombed to shit by aircraft. Remember killing the enemy aircraft is not necessary to complete destroy those planes effectiveness. By preventing overflight bombing and surveillance is impossible in real time so temporally sensitive targets are unarguable. And only large fixed targets can be hit and with only a fraction of the yield that could otherwise be brought to bear.
modern fighter strategy is to not do deep strikes without air supremacy
don’t have air supremacy
stop doing deep strikes
Fascinating anon truly you know more than the airforce why don’t they hire you to run it
Your first paragraph is exactly why US is going to fuck around and find out. The people in control do not care for the carnage that is going to be inflicted on ordinary US citizens.
On the other hand Chinese elite simply can not let the same thing happen to their people since it will force them to go mad. In reality, all the US can do is bluff, and when they get called on their bluff, but US can never go mad because lol Israel
So China is free to hit as hard as they want. US can not ever risk hitting China so hard that it hurts Israel, which will happen if they hit hard enough that ordinary Chinese try for regime change. Which is probably not too hard at all.
For one, the F-35 or any other plane will be flying much much higher. This means in most cases cloud cover
Russia and China have operational depth and layered defense systems. There's long range radars and AWACS that will be beyond the range of anti-radiation missiles. You could fly low to avoid radar or fly high to avoid optical detection. Pick your poison.
Cheap, passive, widespread, net-centric optical detection restricts operations.
Then there’s the fact that you would somehow need these cameras in essentially enemy territory.
If the USAF isn't attacking targets in enemy territory, what exactly is it doing?
Someday running your own aircraft detection machine will get the attention of the US Government like running a crypto currency node.
i guarantee it
If you think you can guarantee anything you’re speaking from a position of incredible ignorance
Unless, Mr Rothschild is that you?
How can this technology be used to disadvantage the political power of the diaspora and their designs for world domination.
trust my mspaint images about the f-35
Lmao, both of them have armies, both of them have missile systems both of them have SAMs both of them we are trying to destroy via air power. Without overflight and persistence surveillance we are utterly incapable of finding targets. Aerial war relies on long range reconnaissance followed by prompt long range strike. Defeating the overflight and thus the reconnaissance completely breaks the kill chain and thereby leaves our Air Force worthless.
PGMs are great because they will hit precisely what you target. They are also shot for precisely the same reason. If you don’t have a target you have a stupid expensive dumb bomb (which is why we should NEVER give Israel another PGM, if they want to carpet bomb use dumb bombs shitheads!)
Long range radar doesn’t detect stealth before they’re well within their own launch ranges your post is dumb take off the memeflag shill
The war in Ukraine is perfect proof of this as both sides pretty much can’t shoot down the other via their defensive tactics even if they can detect them. Actual air losses are this point are super rare
Air losses are rare now because Ukraine's air force has been shot down and is non-existent, and Russia has proved to be quite good at SEAD and flying sorties in hostile airspace.
Ukraine's air defense system was orders of magnitude better than anything the USAF has ever flown against. They've degraded it to the point where they can bomb the front line with cheap FABs.
Imagine being the idiot pilot getting sent to intercept an F-22 after your ghetto camera system found a black dot in the sky somewhere.
You’re basically black you have blood and skin thus you must be a nigger
The differences in the two places is pretty night and day. Sure there’s some similarities but you’re vastly oversimplifying two incredibly I simple and different things with sweeping generalizations and more importantly not even a quarter of the facts. The info coming in and out of Yemen is almost exclusively propaganda no less. You simply can’t compare the two or pretend to have half an idea what the US is actually doing.
obsolete
Only obsolete because everyone caught on to the fact that it was a massive swindle.
airandspaceforces.com
A Trillion dollar and still counting ruling class theft.
Oh you are a literal Russian shill lmfao
Norway the peace nation, 1000 sorties(it was 980 or something) in libya.. sigh
bombs of peace said lyingberg... disgustinging bastard btw..
stoltenbarg did okay in nato, now the ASSHOLE is back in politics here again, god I hate him, jens the liar(for his time in politics here, not nato he was good)
flying sorties in hostile airspace
When was the last time Russia did this?
Maybe for a stealth plane approaching the radar transmitter-receiver head on. Stealth isn't equal in all directions though. A long range radar source reflecting off the plane at an oblique angle could very well make it detectable to nearby SAM's that are passively receiving the reflections.
Current year isn't Iraq/Yugoslavia with 1960 era AA systems.
I wonder how the F-35's thread detection works when it is blinded by a laser?
The start of the Ukrainian war where half of their sorties were getting shot down lmao
They learned very quickly to not enter Ukrainian airspace or even venture near it and both sides only pop up to take pot shots and dip back down below the horizon due to how unreliable and bad Missile warning systems are. Usually by the time your screen alerts you to an incoming strike, and depending on the model many of those planes don’t have such a system at all, you’re already dead
they can bomb the front line with cheap FABs
I missed this. They were able to put glide packages on them and glide them in from outside AD range. Recently they can't even do that because Ukraine figured out how to jam them. Now they land in random spots to kill civilians instead of military targets.
also.. is from cold response 3 years ago, before sweden joined ebin nata
watch this shit guys, .. god ... is in northern norway during this drill, where also sweden and finland was invited
man why didn't I become a fighter pilot
youtube.com
Probably yesterday. FAB bombs with cheap glide kits have been getting lots of use.
Remember. You can safely assume any memeflag is Indian and thus inherently unqualified.
Yeah, they put the glide packages on them so they could drop them from OUTSIDE air defense range. Now even that doesn't work anymore.
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btw guys so it was this weird shit before the ukranian war, so some american tried to buy our outdated f-16's.. and our gov approved but it got denied by the americans
so you check this guy out, he's this plane entusiast, he's company was named draken something, afte rone of sweden's former fighter planes
so you go? huh some billioniaire going buying fighter planes?
I am too drunk to cough up sources, but it was so weird.. what private person goes
hi those f-16s you are gonna scrap I need those
I can't remember where this guy was based
The glide kits are the cheap FABs. Irrespective of range benefits, the precision makes them more cost effective than dumb bombs in completely uncontested airspace. The kits are cheaper than the maintenance and wear of having to perform multiple sorties to achieve the same effect.
Recently they can't even do that because Ukraine figured out how to jam them
About time. I wonder if Russia has adapted to using fiber optic drones to laser illuminate targets to guide munitions in heavily EM jammed areas.
pretty sure it doesn't have lit human eye sensors
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So the Tornado zooming at Mach 1.4+ near ground level was the right approach all along.
I think those helicopters in the start...
they fly their tupolevs all the way from up here(sami mafia not pleased) and shoot from way into russian terrotory
what's funny though is that ukraine have with these private planes turned kamikazi drones have struck olenja airport in murmansk a couple of time
Satellites are easy to blow up
I wonder how many Israel could replace per year.
That's to be expected. GPS/Glonas navigation is susceptible to jamming and spoofing. HIMARS and SCALP/Stormshadow strikes significantly dropped off when Russia deployed EM countermeasures. There was at least a year of Russian FAB webms where Ukraine evidently lacked comparable countermeasures. The footage does seem less common now.
What do you think is the counter-counter measure? I'm thinking laser illumination provided by fiber optic drones.
man it must be so cool.. to much information, but I have this relative that was an f-16 pilot (ib4 my father works at nintendo) man he was my hero when I was a kid.. he's just a boring beureucrat today
must be so fucking cool
"It can be detected with cheap cameras."
So can my dick. It's not obsolete, lesbians make copies of it and fuck themselves.
as I understand the f-16s now are actually striking russian positions now...
the russians have just been using their tupolevs even from murmansk oblast that's up fucking here man NIGGERS to fly in send cruiser missiles from a safe distance
where are the su-52s "protector of the north"(against the north)
sigh.. .this statue gives me nightmares
IIRC the basic glide kit uses inertial guidance which cannot be jammed, but naturally is not pin-point accurate.
Satellites are easy to blow up
This.
We're seeing the Ukraine war play out in a weird scenario where ISR assets aren't targeted. No satellites, or AWACS, or surveillance drones patrolling right on the border get shot down.
Real war is going to be quite different. How well integrated net-centric weapon are, with redundant systems, will be huge.
Things like the ability for an anti-ship missile to use targeting data from a marine drone that's optically tracking the target.
We had 6 tornados shot down in Gulf War 1 because the retarded boomers in charge thought it was still ww2.
1 got shot down in Iraq 2 by mutt patriots manned by Pvt Shaniqua.
Notice how the US is rushing to get new weapon systems? It means that the current weapons they have are either outdated or becoming outdated. What that means is either our advisories have weapons that either render our current weapons systems ineffective or are outright making them vulnerable.
And with the current pace of Chinese modernization there's just no way the US can reasonably keep up with the weapons the CCP deploys. And this may come to a surprise to you (because China again is modetnizing so fast the brain can't keep up) but they are even ahead of at least tied in majority of the weapon fields.
You forgot about AWACS. Makes this totally suicidal.
With a stealth plane it might be different, especially one optimized for low level flight and not being detected by AWACS. Guess the closest to that was the F-117?
But in the modern day you are better of simply using a cruise missile, or a ballistic missile, or a drone, or whatever.
Yes it's spelled "invincible" not "invisible", as with the horse.
So? Nobody has the balls to do it. Neither China or USA. Because it means knocking out everything in space. It's basically like MAD for space.
someone tell archcast that disgusting shit is some 70ies shit from the us
fuck you murmansk statue, this is 100% norwegian copper
protector of the north
I'll make a statue just as good as the us
god I get sick...
I´ve seen a documentary on that serbian nighthawk.
USAF flew the same plane, at the same hour, over the same flight path.
They could´ve shot it with a tank round by pointing the tanks cannon vertically into space.
Military doctrine do be dumb sometimes.
let's go
Not exactly rushing. B-21 still isn't finished, and neither is the X-47.
And what else is there? F-35 was a bit of a failure, and there hasn't been too much going on weapons wise either, like a new ICBM.
(You)
also don't do it, we got the whole north and south pole covered leif.. you can lit go everywhere there now and you get interwebs, is obviously because we're spying on cough someone.. . sweden!
screw elon we got you covered
Ukraine shot down a Russian AWACs outside the official range of the Patriot system.
why do you have these sattelites norway?
who are you watching norway
REEEE
Stealth was always overrated and with the massive rise in computer processing power in the last 20 years is obsolete as far as near peer opponents are concerned.
Bombing turd world goat herders remains unaffected though.
IIRC the basic glide kit uses inertial guidance which cannot be jammed, but naturally is not pin-point accurate.
Just speculating, but if they do have inertial guidance, it's probably more comparable to the cheap accelerometers used in cellphones than high precision gyroscopic instruments. Inertial guidance suffers from inherent inaccuracy because all measurement errors are cumulative.
I expect if it's included at all, it's serves as a crude guidance mechanism that can put the bomb in the vicinity of the target where optical guidance from laser illumination can take over.
F-35 can do what a SU-35 can
And it's only like ten thousand times more expensive.
GREENLAND AND SVALBARD WILL RULE THE WORLD
The point is that Russia isn't targeting ISR assets, and Ukraine is receiving the full benefit of the worlds greatest ISR network, under conditions the US won't even get in a real war.
For all the US military failings, their ISR truly is second to none. In terms of low-altitude high-res satellite constellations and AWACS systems.
Ukraine has better ISR fighting Russia than America would in a real war.
more comparable to the cheap accelerometers used in cellphones than high precision gyroscopic instruments
high precision gyroscopic instruments
They don't use those anymore; the technology has matured. Even chip-sized accelerometers and so on are quite accurate now, especially if you employ a redundant array, but laser gyroscopes are pretty much the norm now for everything. Lemme check what these cost.
$50 up to a couple of thousand for high-end
Economy of scale plays an important role there, versus those bespoke clockwork things they built in the past.
As such, considering costs I'd assume it has both laser gyros and cheaper sensors acting in unison. Not real reason to not throw a dozen chip accelerometers in there for good measure.
The
just use standoff munitions
is such a retarded cope. The exorbitant pricetag of the F35 was justified by the argument that you could get close enough to use cheap JDAMs, instead of expensive standoff missiles that non-stealth planes would have to use.
If you have to stay outside enemy AA range, just use a cheap as fuck airframe that can carry a shitton of stand-off cruise missiles on hardpoints.
All jets are obsolete. Small, unmanned drones are the future. They can do things unmanned vehicles can't and they're cheap in comparison.
we try once meiri
GREENLAND, SVALBARD AND QUEEN MAUDSLAND WILL RULE THE WORLD
Make grytviken great again death to baby seals
Not really. They actually pretty comparable in price. The F-35 might be cheaper now and is actually in mass production while Russia can at best build one handful of SU-35 a year, maybe.
I give up too slow rolls
might just give up to the eternal enemy
namely the baby seal, we will be ruled and raped by ebin baby seals
waiting waiting...
Retards will watch this and believe the past 60 years of aviation technology is meaningless.
Oh shit, my knowledge on inertial guidance is probably out of date. I'm glad to learn if you got more info to share.
Averaging the readings of a large array cheap electric accelerometers is probably the method. A laser gyroscope that's high quality enough to do better is almost certainly not worth the cost for a FAB glide kit.
Laser guidance is old tech, and if the inertial guidance can get the bomb close enough to have its optical sensor pointing at the target, that's probably good enough for an unjammable fiber optic drone to laser guide it.
why are you talking about 35s are the 52s just a meme?
Gonna need those tranny pilots back to clear the way.
No its not
ree sorry I meant 57s.. 52 burp
reading comprehension you don't have it
you an russia FUCK OFF MY FISHING
What about China? Russia's GDP is Canada or Italy tier, but they outproduce the entire west in things like artillery shells.
China's an industrial powerhouse, and they've been showing off real, flying 6th gen planes, unlike the CGI artist representations of Boeing.
Say what you want about chink shit vaporware, but radar is mostly a function of geometry, and the absence of vertical stabilizers (ie radar reflectors) is quintessential to 6th gen planes. Big ass weapon bay too for the longest range air-to-air missiles.
fuck forgot pic
is pretty funny, so this guy got a sub in his haliburt shit
I don't klnow the guy but I know the place, my uncle used to live there
If Yemen is capable of stopping overflights and surveillance, how did the US know the houthi went into his girlfriends apartment.
JPEGS and WEBMs from your cheap camera are not an acceptable input to generate a firing solution for your missile systems.
Not yet anyway, maybe when AI gets powerful enough to process those types of inputs and translate them for the missile in real-time.
Gonna need a render farm's worth of RTX 5090s on your S-600s and Patriot 4
Russia's GDP is Canada or Italy tier, but they outproduce the entire west in things like artillery shells.
Because the F-35 is just pure wealth transfer from the masses to the ruling class.
Russia has to prioritize more useful and practical weapons.
The West and in particular America are in the middle of looting their nations and people for every last dollar before an eventual reset.
Though it is always possible that we have one more monetary expansion cycle.
Oh noes what will I ever do without much satellite just like the 1950s
Did they take out the target, or just delete an apartment building of innocent civilians?
The whole thing seems sus. Yemen is a fundamentalist Islam society. Since when do young women just have their own apartment? And high ranking military officers being harem, unmarried men openly fornicating with unmarried women, yet put in positions of high trust? Sounds fake.
Fire control is someone else's problem.
Since the Iranian drone attack on Israel I have suspected there is already a space based system for detecting aircraft.
Israel iron dome has a capacity and if you send over more then the capacity can handle, you win.
This. Aviation is a prime example for how US weapons design went wrong. Too big, too expensive, too complex. Also, aircraft carriers
Bingo.
American's MIC is purely about extracting wealth and generating profit, unlike the nationalized and purpose driven arms industries of Russia and China.
The West and in particular America are in the middle of looting their nations and people for every last dollar before an eventual reset.
They're not even trying to hide it. Trump and Javier Melie pulling shitcoin crypto scams, Trump engaging in obvious market manipulation to get one last good pump and dump for the oligarchs before crashing with no survivors.
Though it is always possible that we have one more monetary expansion cycle.
I think its the end of the line. For all the seething Anon Babble does about the Federal Reserve and kike monetary policy, that chicanery was probably the only thing that has kept the US economy from collapsing the last several times.
god medical emergency, I blame sweden for this
let me just position cameras in a grid every 1000 feet over an entire country.
this is totally a scalable and cost effective solution
you really are this retarded arent you?
If aircraft carriers are so obsolete then how come China is building them?
what are you on about.. the b-52... still very much in use
rheinmetal increased their production with what 19x times?
what did nigger nammo do? communist legistlators, no you can't expand nammo because tictoc
That's simply not true. An F-35 is currently at 90m (including the faulty engine) and a SU-35E is probably around 50m.
Where it really went wrong is the delusion that beating Iraq is an accomplishment, and something you can base your entire military doctrine on.
F-35 is great, for JDAMing goat herders with no air force, and 1960's era MANPADs and SAM systems, that they don't even know how to use.
Kind of fails when its an overpriced shitty stand-off platform.
Small weapons bay for the STOVL design compromise.
AIM120-AMRAAMs only have 180km range, compared to R-37 400km range.
Can F-35 even fit larger missiles?
China's 6th gen plane has a fucking huge weapons bay.
rheinmetal increased their production with what 19x times?
From 1000 shells per year to 19000. Bravo, they can now provide one division enough shells for a few days of intense fighting.
LOL
imagine thinking invisible planes don't exist
Aviation peaked in the early 2000s. The US has become too brown to make anything meaningful after that.
Good question. Now that some countries have hypersonics in their arsenals carriers would become massive missile magnets in a conflict.
The B-52 is a versatile and not very complex plane
drones made everything obsolete
Serbia was pounded into surrender by bombs alone.
Check your sauce. It’s got wee’d in.
Don't sell yourself short, Leaf. It peaked in 1959 when you cucked out and abandoned aeronautical supremacy to bow to Boeing and Lockheed jeets.
btw I wish you all watch this, this is our ambassador rn
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GOD THEY ALWAYS FALL UPWARS
she hates trump, this is not a person that should be in any place...
Cloud seed. Fly in clouds. Bomb or holographics
Stealth tech was always a meme
also did you see her in trumps inaguration the stinkeye going on
what about lesbians transexual
this is the absolute shit that is wrong with this country
and no don't stop the canadian seal hunt, this piece of shit aristrocrat is all that is wrong with europe a oslo west rich as snob woman... I can't even
so entitlet even as the ambassador at trumps ... she sits there frown face.... this is not norways interseted...
so is neoarstiracts that gives them selves statefunds, is this hippie generation
and die, dumb as shit, people that should clean toilets but they went to the same youth club of labor
Carriers aren't the decisive weapon to win the naval war that they were in WW2. They're still useful for power projection against hapless targets, but they're more vulnerable than ever.
One play that carriers gives China is the ability to reach out and strike Guam with plane based munitions. Hard to say if conditions to safely bring a carrier out that far will ever be met. Long range missiles will probably do a better job.
usa you should expell her
she does not speak for us, kick that rotten hag out of syour country please
what a silly cunt, stealth never meant invisible ffs
Trump, please deport this faggot to the El Salvador prison for divulging state secrets.
they lit have a hitler youth camp I mean is how they run to power here
so these are dumb people, you can't get in from the outside
F35 can be detected by yelling at the clouds and listening for the echo! Feelings of Chinese people most powerful weapon! Spirit of Chinese communism with harmonious social characteristics defeats weak pig Western capitalism! China great co-prosperity sphere now include Australia and Europe! World belong to China now! Xi Jinping eternal presidential chairman of Earth!
Neat
kek I am sliding fug I can't remember so it's one of the political figure heads here, xi was here in the 70-80ies or something to go to see a norwegian workers home in oslo
differnt times, she was a kid
he also was a student in california?
He could see an F-35 at 30km.
Because the US Govt will demand a sacrifice when China sinks a US aircraft carrier.
Well, you convinced me, Sasha. I’m not gonna buy the F-35 now.
back then it was supposedly all price regulated, so if you sold your flat or condonoe or house it was state regulated
however xi was here visists this girls home to see a traditional norwegian socialst worker's home
very different times
I can't seriously see how they could regulate your house
so if you lived in bærum or oslos west the state went
you can only sell your home for this price same as alta here
no way, is before my time
no, it is not cheap, altrough it can become if USA industrialize again
doesn't understand what makes an aircraft stealth
it's radar that matters not visual detection. Nothing makes a jet invisible to normal vision.
But it can have a radar cross section that's as small as a bird which gets overlooked when tracking for hostile aircraft.
You didn't watch the video.
So this guy could have sold this for a berjillion dollars to Raytheon and instead decided to shitpost about it on j00tube with a stick figure for a profile image. Got it.
only worships mammon
You are in good company soulless mutt. Are you German? You know they didn't leave their hive mind mentality when they left Europe.
Even they managed to BTFO mutt airforce.
Iraq shot down dozens of mutt fighters, I spite of being vastly outnumbered.
Uhm
KEK
Mutts btfo
You still need a fire solution for that aircraft.
Yes. It fucking is.
You mongoloids don't understand that fire control is outside the scope of this video. Watch the whole thing at 1x speed next time.
Unlike the dumb fuck Iraqi's, they actually understood how their S-125 systems work, and kept the radar on long enough for missiles to be guided to the target they were illuminating.
But the Iraqis still shot down a shitton of mutt fighters, shlomo.
And that is just taking the mutts's numbers.
And they would have shot down a lot more if they were competent.
Paranoid of HARM countermeasures, AA batteries would often shut off their radar immediately after launching missiles, oblivious to the fact that the missiles needed active radar illumination to home in on their target.
They turned most of their guided AA missiles into blind firing ballistic missiles out of sheer incompetence.
btw buying a house in norway today.. haha no... 60 billion
in the oslo, bergen and stavanger area I mean.. hahah no..
meanwhile the state pump in lit NIGGERS that all live on welfare
why own when the state just pays?
And they would have shot down a lot more if they were competent.
They were pretty competent though.
It's why it took 10+ years to take out Saddam (from the 90s all the way to the 2000s) after being attacked by a huge coalition.
Your hypothesis is divorced from reality.
you are not getting my home state! fuck you
random stuff this is from the 80ies, this guy is clearly on the macca
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fuck you state
They were pretty competent though.
This is the massive cope American military high command tells itself too.
You have to delude yourself into believing Arabs are competent at modern war, because beating Iraq is NATOs greatest military accomplishment. Admitting you beat up a retarded toddler is no good, best pretend they were a legit contender.
This
It's past time to move on to developing and producing the F-37
sigh
is so fucked man is 80ies shit, these people are clearly hard on amphetamiines and the song goes on like this
is just iconic shit here
I can't rembmer if it was this band or the other one they send to our school to do to not do drugs
is pretty good song
youtu.be
stay awake
Always was
This is the massive cope American military high command tells itself too.
Nope, it's born out by reality.
Iraq a country with little to no industry and exhausted after a decade long war against a neighbor that is twice it's size still held its own against a huge coalition.
You have to delude yourself into believing Arabs are competent at modern war
If they weren't, you jews would not need to push the Americans towards GWOT for the sole purpose of eleminating your enemies.
Again, your propaganda is divorced from reality.
YESS!! YESSS
thinking you need physical weapons to fight in MindWar
You have already lost.
Nooo wat I didn't mean that... I thought it was just landing ... no....
I thought it was one of those vertical fucks...no..
if is real then show it
Jews mad, they're flooding the board with porn.
yes pol is b now hopeless
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A German radar detected an F35 in a 2018 test
Detection isn't the same green style sweeping beeping display from WW2 or the movies
It can detect multiple concepts
If these planes use their targeting systems or their own radar, they will be putting out clearly detectable electronic signals
But they can be detected directly anyway with modern systems
Also, like how the OP has demonstrated, a plane is a fucking plane and you can see it and hear it
'Stealth' and 'Radar invisibility' are absolute meme terms that get banded around by arms dealers at their promotional fairs to get boomer politicians in the USA to part with their big bags of dollarinos
And now our own European retard politicians are buying them from the USA and equipping our clown forces with them too
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okay let's go the real shit we need it
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let's go
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Nafo troons can't handle Andrie Martyanov's real talk. They can cope and seethe, but they can't prove him wrong, cause he's right.
Ukraine already has a microphone network set up that spans over 100s of km that can detect much quieter propellor powered drones.
It’s cheap and very effective at detecting incoming drones and missiles.
9th of april you should ALL DIE
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The SU35 is actually more expensive than the F35 airforce variants by about 3 million dollars. The Navy and Marine F35s cost about 20m more, but they have comparably more capability/specialties
There's 650 F35's in service and only 150 SU35's have ever been built.
The F35 would be cheaper but they also used that program to develop a lot of extra crap like the fancy helmet screens that see through the plane, and the software to integrate the planes across all of the other weapons/radar platforms so everything on the battlefield is working together as a unit.
I don't think people realize the power of this system, when you can just have 100 F35's loitering at anytime and anything you have on the ground can paint a target for it from 100's of KMS away.
It's basically like what Russia and Ukraine have going with drones, but we have it going with 2900 5th gen fighters (after production is done)
Kek Israel are the nuke-heads, other way around.
They used nuclear blackmail during the yom kippur war because they were losing.
The US wants no one to use nukes because if they proliferate a lot of people are going to die.
F-35 is already obsolete
It was never good to begin with and can't be obsolete. Never won any dogfights, not even once in any wargames even against planes forty years older unless it was permitted to use GPS guided long range missiles. Which aren't going to work at all ever except in the most absolutely ideal conditions. It is the poster child of contracting scams.
commies
wait
hypnotizing
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this might be the most retarded image I've seen today
don't give it to turkey, they are muhamedans
U.S. Aircraft Lost in Desert Storm (1991):
The U.S. lost 28 manned aircraft in combat during Operation Desert Storm. Most were hit by Iraqi SAMs and AAA, with one F/A-18 shot down in air-to-air by a MiG-25 (the only confirmed Iraqi air kill).
Breakdown:
F-16 – 5
F-15E – 2
A-10 – 6
F/A-18 – 1
AV-8B Harrier – 2
F-14 – 1
AC-130 – 1
OA-10 – 1
EF-111A – 1 (crashed dodging a SAM)
HH-60 / UH-60 – 3
CH-46 – 1
Iraqi air defenses were lethal early on, but got rolled fast. Most losses were from ground fire, not dogfights.
is an f-35 trying to be nordic for those who wondered
EF-111A – 1 (crashed dodging a SAM)
wait what? so now iraq got one too?
in short, ziggers decided to build a long range attacker/bomber that flies at mach 2 instead of investing into the stealth meme. Also, you can just decrease the size of the plane itself by 20% if you want to reach the stealth that is comparable to US fighters.
Ww3 wont be fought with machines and soldiers OP. It will be fought using the earf herself.
Iraqi air defenses were lethal early on
It certainly was the most formidable AA defense America has ever flown against, as they put it in their own textbooks.
Doesn't change the fact that it was Vietnam war era hardware, operated by Arabs, and there was never much of it to begin with nor any operational depth or reserves.
The entire US military doctrine is built around real wars playing out like Iraq.
what happens if a bee go there?
oh fug I forgot to get my drunk kb on
You do realize that the longest range missile the F35 can carry has a range of 70km? And even then, if your enemy is that far its easy to bleed the energy of the missile so it wont hit him. You would need to get deep into the missile's range for it to effectively neutralize your enemy. The point of the F35 is to have a networked radar system so that you have an awareness advantage. Or you discover them before they discover you. In short, the F35 is gonna be AWSOME at fighting F5 tigers and Su-24's.
wtf is this bryan adams?
Sven so this memes about the new plane is it just a new gripen?
or is it a brand new plane?
pic unrelated random
It's best known for ejecting its pilot and going on a joyride. That's what the F-35 will be most known for in the future.
and yes the dildozer was real it destroyed sevasotpol
a buddy of mine says that its a new plane, however plans might change if the minister of defense feels that the project is taking too long and might just use the gripen airframe. Also, the new plane wont be heavily invested in stealth. EW is a lot more important now.
What happens if it's cloudy?
so it's just a new permutation? as they always do?
man we almost chose it, but then alas.. basically hamburgers forced us to get the 35s
damnit someone play lynyrd: big gun! big gun
and yes it's real btw
well the issue is the engine. since the americans are very hot and cold with which engine to sell. and because of that problem, they dont know which design to approach. So they have ended up with too many design choices tailored for X engine, only for the americans to say "but now we offer Y engine" and then going through a redesign, only to come back and say "well, Y engine is gonna take longer than expected to sell so we have to go back to X offer"
so it's not a saab engine? wtf man why not?