Are we really going to give up cheap consumer goods so an elite class of Americans that went to Ivy League universities can continue to exert some control over the world?
Are we really going to give up cheap consumer goods so an elite class of Americans that went to Ivy League...
Ain't nothing quite like cheap chinese consumer products made by child slave labor.
Will America ever wake up?
I mean, like, is it possible?
made by child slave labor.
Where are you seeing Chinese children working in factories in the last 15 years?
Global trade is a zero sum game, the world only needs so many forks. So the only people that get wealthy are the ones adding value in the production of the forks.
As opposed to buying cheap slop to help the elite class of China gain control over the world?
As long as the libs are mad, YES!
If Chinese producs are so bad and unethical what high quality alternatives should I get?
What Chinese ruling class. Jack Ma?
This is partly true, free trade fucks over most people and benefits corporate conglomerates.
However, tariffs aren't going to do anything. America doesn't have the competency, willpower, or drive to bring back manufacturing. So they'll only fuck over everyone and accelerate its collapse.
America does have manufacturing, tarriffs are good for them, it's Canada and the EU that doesn't tarriffs would do nothing for us, but it wouldn't cause a "collapse" anymore than any other corporate tax does.
America does have manufacturing
Most of it was outsourced, America has assembly and the "high value" manufacturing that's still profitable. Its economy is a shell of its former self and would be a 3rd world shithole if not for living on its global trade networks.
China is keeping the global economy from collapse.
american wishes it still had its slave class.
The elite class is the CCP. They don't have problems with rich assholes because they do what the state demands or they disappear
When is the last time the US Government execute a banker for malfeasance?
That seems to be the opposite result that I would anticipate from reshoring US production, as elite Ivy League cum-toast consumers likely made a lot of money from outsourcing.
Us doesn't have the manpower anymore they kind of chased them out with the ice raid. Canada still does. tariff hurts canada more then the US solely because of how much of Canada's gdp is reliant on the US, fucking liberals didn't want an LNG deal with Germany or Japan when they came asking.
There's no way US can make menial manufacturing jobs more profitable then outsourcing it to effectively underpaid foreign slaves. which is why the tariffs are retarded on their behalf, all they do is pay 10cent for a spoon slap a logo onto it and claim its made in the USA and sell it for 3 bucks.
So far free trade actually fucks over the rich and helped the poor though. So where's the part that helps the rich?
high tariffs, low trade
owning class charge whatever they want and rest get nothing
low tariffs, high trade
owning class has to cut their profits to compete
working class' money stretches longer
At least all the examples in history I can find. For example the Corn Law in UK back in the day. Removing tariffs on food hurt the rich farm owners but helped the average and poor.
America has a 40% unemployment rate, they have a glut of manpower. That's why wages in most of America are so much lower than they were 40 years ago, the aren't enough MacDonalds jobs for the workers the US has.
Reshoring already flopped a year before Trump was elected.
America needs to bring back factories. A decent job almost anyone can get that they can support a family on.
this is partially true
you forgot about Mexico and China's neighbors
That will never happen because Americans are fat and dumb. Only good for service jobs
The Illegals took all the entry level jobs from high school grads.
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There are regulations concerning product labeling that make it illegal to do that. Also, the US is large enough to sustain virtually all of these businesses purely on internal sales, so all that needs to be done is to make it to where producing it domestically and selling it domestically is cheaper than importing it, paying a tariff, and then selling it domestically. The manpower bit is also retarded.
Guess America will have no tools, oh wait that isn't how market economics works.
market economics
Do we have that?
I do agree they have manpower but it would still increase prices reducing purchasing power and reducing sales. So less 300k/year high value jobs with high profits and more 30k/year factory work with low profits.
There's nothing stopping you from going to your garage right now, manufacturing a wrench and selling it on ebay, so yes.
At least all the examples in history I can find.
You haven't read enough about free trade in Russia then. It's one of the best case studies of how free trade fucked over almost everyone living here except for billionaire oligarchs.
And isn't free trade screwing over developed countries when they deindustrialize and outsource their production?
aren't enough MacDonalds jobs for the workers the US has.
that's because we decided to leave behind the successful model of mcdonald's being staffed by high school and college aged white kids, who were earning extra money for their families and/or spending money for themselves, and to learn responsibility as a stepping stone to a real career, in favor of hiring 30, 40 or 50 year old shitskins who see a shitty minimum wage job as a better career/life than whatever shithole ghetto/country they came from. and then we decided to import more shitskins.
not for menial slave jobs you're paying 4x for a worst worker compared to a china factory slave that can work harder hours.
producing it domestically and selling it domestically is cheaper than importing it
that's the problem you can't because of how expensive it is. They've tried that by hiring Americans to pick tomatoes on a payscale based off how many you pick
huffpost.com
this is the type of scale you need to be remotely competitive.
You're way overestimating the average american's willingness to work for low pay.
A job at McDonalds pays $30k/year. Factory jobs are usually around $40k/year, but increased demand for labor will likely push that up a bit. Regardless, poor people are typically decimated by housing, food, and gas prices, less so the cost of a TV or luxury goods.
Yes, America has a glut of workers. And don't forget those millions of men that had their jobs shipped overseas, they didn't just evaporate, the surplus of unemployed crashed the wages across the board in the US.
There are only 2 things that create gainful employment, resource extraction and value add, the 2 things neoliberals hate because they want you poor and with no agency.
I can accept more expensive fruit if it's necessary for people to make enough money to be willing to do it. Also, US labor is plenty productive. Stop spouting bullshit.
We need to give up cheap goods so we can actually have jobs in the near future. Shit needs to be produced here where we can monitor the labor conditions and pay living wages. It's funny because libshits are now supporting sweatshop slavery, which is literal fucking slavery and child slavery, just to spite the right. Actually that's not funny, they need to knock it the fuck off. Chinese junk goods were always a guilty pleasure and definitely shut down a lot of jobs in our country.
elite class of Americans that went to Ivy League universities
leftist democrats?
Fuck harbor freight, I only buy snap on which means I only bought once.
Harbor Freight's good shit comes from Taiwan.
which means I only bought once.
Because you spent all your money?
monitor the labor conditions
didnt doge axe the department in charge of workplace safety regulations?
Because you spent all your money?
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yeah, it wasn't just mcdonald's, obviously; most fast food and other minimum wage jobs adopted the model of making these careers for the dregs of society. and, as you pointed out, various other actual careers were staffed/shipped overseas.
there are variations of the model, for almost every level/field:
slavery is bad! let's abolish it in this country!
but it's okay to buy our jeans from slaves in asia, because the jeans are cheaper - they cost less, but also fall apart quicker!
a living wage is necessary for a successful society! minimum wage is the least you can legally pay someone in this country!
unless they are "temporary migrant workers" who may or may not have come here legally, then it's cool because it's a lot of money to them, and they can send it back to their family in whatever shithole they came from, rather than spending the money here and putting it back into the US economy
we should tax/tariff imported goods, to keep american goods/jobs competitive!
but we don't need to tax/tariff the "american" company that uses chink sweatshops for assembly and has a jeet customer service call center, because the CEO is (((american)))
...and so on, all at the cost of american jobs, quality goods and society in general...
what? you dont make sense loser