Why are the english so obsessed with the Anglo Saxons? They were just one of many peoples who came to Britain. And they didn't seem to be that impressive of a people...
Why are the english so obsessed with the Anglo Saxons? They were just one of many peoples who came to Britain...
It's kind of weird they chose an "intermediate" period of their history as their "definitive" heritage. Why not the britons(i.e king arthur) or the post norman modern england?
And they didn't seem to be that impressive of a people...
Why are Indians obsessed with the Persian indo aryan tribes? Same reason
post the real map, angloid
These aren't the anglo saxons. They're the english. The modern day english are just as much norman, norse and celtic as they are anglo
even then, the british empire was not that impressive. most of their land came from conquering spear chucking niggers and they only managed to get part of America. Canada was a frozen shithole that barely put up any resistance. India was more of an achievment but even then its just pajeets so who cares. Australia was their dumping ground for the garbage of Britain and Ireland was right next to them so of course they conquered it. Never achieved anything big in the middle east either.
The SEA territories also meant nothing and the rest are 1x1 islands where they just planted a british flag.
most of their land came from conquering spear chucking niggers
Implying there was anything more advanced outside Europe apart from China and we drugged those gooks into submission.
The Anglo-Saxon period has a kind of fairy tale charm to it. There are victories, like the eventual driving off of the vikings, there is tragedy, like the defeat at Hastings, and there is mythology, like the tale of Beowulf. It's an interesting period of transition from Roman occupation to Norman conquest where the English language starts to form into something akin to what we hear and read today, but it is still unintelligible enough to have a sort of mysterious allure to it. It is an alien and familiar time, making it something that modern Anglos can relate to while also feeling almost fantastical simultaneously.
Now I've bothered to read the rest of your post I can tell you you're a fucking imbecile. Also >Never achieved anything big in the middle east either
We controlled Afghanistan for 40 years, something you fat cunts couldn't even do with nukes and the biggest military in the world. Kek at you.
Not obsessed with anglo-saxons at all, the vast majority of real Britains are genetically related to Edward Longshanks due to two mass die offs nobody mentions. The most interesting part of Britain’s history was the neolithic arrivals we only really know about due the Romans trying to placate the locals by incorporating their religious practices into their own. Their circles, barrows and monoliths are everywhere yet we no little about the religious/cultural aspects of it. They drank ale and eat pigs at gatherings and hung corpses from upside down trees. Lots of interesting bog corpses that looked to be ritualistically sacrificed too.
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More poojeets came to Britain than Angelsachsen. Let this sink in.
The real question is how the fuck did they move one of the stones from Scotland to Glastonbury
ucl.ac.uk
Neolithic Britain/Ireland is pretty fascinating. Tomb of the Eagles, Skara Brae, Newgrange all shit that's 5000+ years old.
there are two states in Germany called Saxony, they make up most of the country. Anglo-Saxons are the ones in Britain, it's just another name for German just like Norman is another name for French and Celtic is Irish.
because they're up to 40% of our ancestry
England was united as one kingdom by Æthelstan, King of the Anglo-Saxons
does that answer your question?
incorrect; we are overwhelmingly celt and anglo
It's impressive when you realise there weren't any phones and it took a year for us to even hear about your "revolution" before we could even decide to tell you to fuck off we were busy.
anglos were Blessed by the bIG bLACK COck
prime subject to these legacy systems of control and inflluence
xsacrificing ones sovereignty to serve the grail, creating context for the modern age at behest of Sneed
that is where your pride and legacy begins
when you say all this you're saying
These aren't the germans. They're the english. The modern day english are just as much french, norwegian and irish as they are german
well yea look at a map, we're next to all of them
Because it's who we are, Ahmed.
Everyone wants to be the chosen people
they have to use these ethnic names for them because if they use the actual modern names then they would get convulted with the modern countries. now France or Germany believe they have a say in what happens here, just like the Irish do when they hear Celtic. they know what it means even if you don't
Norman is another name for French
But the Normans aren't really French, they're French speaking Norse, so not really anything shocking considering how much norse influence there is around the UK.
hello McFly
because of the language?
The US controlled most major cities in Afghanistan for quite a while, and the British occupation was probably really similar- clans in the mountains remaining autonomous. How long did the fucking Scots remain independent from Anglos? Basically the entire period of feudalism.
Is that new? Even from Wales it’s a trek. So it’s just the smaller stones around it that are from Wales. Fascinating.
Less than 400k of them conquered more than 1 million Celts. Even fewer Norse conquered half a million Angles and Celts together. The English army that was defeated by the Normans in 1066 had just marched north to York to defeat the Danes first, and then exhausted they went to fight the Normans and lost there.
In Germanic languages. Old Runic English is the oldest directly attested west Germanic language. Being only 1 or 2 centuries younger than East and North Germanic.
Whats more when you understand that the Angles actually came from the Angeln headland, you realize that they were a Baltic people originally. A sea faring peninsular people. They sailed nearly as often as the Norse and as often as the Frisians.
English culture and language and law preceded the Norman culture and language and law that came about 6 centuries later.
Normandy is essentially where Paris is, it's just another term for French. they don't speak Norse anymore, if you keep imaging these terms only had context in 1050 AD then you will keep going around in circles. when a French person hears Brits going on about Normans they know what it means.
Maybe because we are Anglo-Saxons? OP is a nigger.
same with Saxony too. didn't Hitler do exactly this?
we are brother people, you are also Saxons so let us occupy you
Brits mostly ignored him because they didn't know what he meant, they don't know what the words they use even mean which means it's not for them
Everyone wants to be the chosen people
Sorry scholomo, but everyone alive is a son of Jacob.
Props on the opium wars, bong. Quality chink subjugation. I believe the chinks call it the century of humiliation, lol.
conquered
Moved here and choppped down some trees where nobody was so they had some land to live on.
Sorry schlomo, but everyone alive is a son of *insert middle eastern fairy tales here*
Wow you sure showed him lol
The British got cucked by the Afgans. The Afgans just said “The brits were in charge” for 40 years before invading them again to keep them docile. Kinda like when a cucks gf tells him she really loves him.
I always liked Anglo-Saxons, but some of them are colossal cunts towards western slavs.
discussing historic lineages
mention middle east
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THE THREAD IS ABOUT ENGLAND
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I honestly think the Anglo-Saxon identity got empathized to justify the subjugation of Ireland. Brit are clearly Anglo-Celtic.
literally conquer half the world and kickstart the Industrial Revolution
unimpressive people
What?
During the heptarchy period the Saxons specifically conquered Celtic territory and peoples. They continually pushed the border. And in the north the Angles also pushed west and north and Edinburgh was originally English speaking during the heptarchy period. The Celtic Gaels later recovered that region but could not push much farther against the English. And because of that the English Scottish rivalry existed well into the civil war period and afterwards c1600-1700s.
It is known that some Roman lords invited Germanics to the isles, and some Celtic lords accepted them but this largely turned into violence later on with the Germanic speakers dominating.
Nation is always defined by the elite that pushed its identity on the plebs of different ethnic/sub-ethnic origin, someone in Windsor family just traces themselves back to Anglo-Saxons or maybe the overall noble estate consists primarily of those who do.
How long did the fucking Scots remain independent from Anglos?
What does that have to do with the British empire, which included Scots? Anyway, England had it's hands full with the continent for most of the medieval period, Scotland was hardly a threat but it also wasn't land easily taken and it's not like it was much of a prize.
Checkem negros, blessed Anglo Masonic digits ftw
the Irish and Welsh do it themselves. the name for English in Irish and Welsh is Sassanach (Saxon)
West Slavs got the last laugh because after the migration period West Slavs moved into former Germanic south Jutland and the area around Lubeck and sacked Danish cities and finally converted their language to Germanic only around 1100-1300 AD. While modern Brits live in a much worse shithole.
>discussing historic lineages
.....
Doesn't use genetic science
References a man from the middle east
Lol
Yeah research from 2024. Seems incredibly unlikely they moved it over land so there's probably a whole lot of lost knowledge regarding what kinds of watercraft they had.
Maybe Angles and Saxons just came home after they worked out how to cross the land that was flooded.
why "new york" was new amsterdam?
listen man, im pointing to the idea that even locally anglos failed for long periods of time. your fascination with them moving large rocks tells me there's some inferiority complex going on. it's fine bro, the british didn't build anything lasting- it's ok.
Not likely because all ancient samples in the isles do not cluster with Jutlandic or common Germanic lineages. It is also known that during and after the AD 536 climate apocalypse every single tribe in the Baltic except for Finns and Estonians migrated westward and southward to more maritime and temperate climates, like the British isles. Some settlement occurred before this but the massive get out of dodge movement happened during or after the 6th century. The Slavs did the same thing to because they were dying from starvation and cold like everyone else and they moved into territories abandoned by the Germanics. The most ancient samples from the isles do not even cluster with Celts or Germanics, but there are known Finnic (reindeer herder types) mtDNA samples from before the stone age in the area.
My ancestors were the Britons.
Most Englishmen are paternally not native to Britain.
wrong
Post source
Why are you suddenly typing like a nigger? I never said anything about 'anglos' building stonehenge.
the british didn't build anything lasting
Oh but we did, we created eternal seethe. The world will still be seething about the British Empire long after the last white Brit has crumbled into dust. Anyway why would an American, the most plastic of people from the most disposable throwaway culture in human history care about anything being built to last?
If there was a master race it would be under constant attack by others who try to undermine it from within and without
if
Haplogroups
Creates eternal seethe from other countries
You sure are a great teacher dad.
tfw no anglo
Less than 400k of them conquered more than 1 million Celts.
Nothing impressive about that. 10k Romans defeated 230k Celtards. Celts are pathetic and got ravaged literally by everyone to the brink of extinction.
Why are the english so obsessed with the Anglo Saxons?
The English are Anglo Saxons. My last name is Saxon in origin, and my family history is filled with Anglo last names.
Your ancestors are just as much celtic briton if not more so
Fuck everyone else, really.
Anon, you're wrong, the they beat every single other colonial empire for their lands other than majority of Africa when they decided that instead of fighting each other they would just carve it up.
The British beat the French for North America, South Africa was a Dutch possession originally. Australia, they beat Chinese in war and forced them to agree that the British were their equals.
You're not a good student of History are you?
They also decimated the Ottman empire by sending in colonials, the entire Islamic empire was broken apart with ease. Sending in literally convicts and farmers.
It wasn't even a competition and today you speak English because you're living in the world they created.
The entirety of India and their empire was conquered with a few thousand men.
There was a complete lack of competition for them, they weren't even trying it was like playing a video game on easy. The only reason they gave you self determination was because imperialism was replaced with financial usury.
Now you just exist in a state of perpetual servitude to paper money.
That does not contest with anything I've said.
And a side note the Saxons were actually the most aggressive in the border wars. Frisians and Jutes were small minorities that were accessories to the main Angle-Saxon migrations. And the Angles who did their own conquering in the north did not conquer Celts as much as the Saxons. And importantly roughly 400 years later the Norse invaded the Angles territories and infringed on Saxon territory with the Danelaw resulting in the Anglic kingdoms mostly losing power to the Saxon descended kingdoms. The kingdoms were united from Saxon territory by a Saxon king c900s.
I mean niggers also have saxon last names
Whats more when you understand that the Angles actually came from the Angeln headland, you realize that they were a Baltic people originally.
No, you retarded Amerishart subhuman, they were just another Suebic tribe among many, and there were no slavshits anywhere in that area in that time.
Tacitus describes the "Anglii" as one of the more remote Suebic tribes living beyond the Semnones and Langobardi, who lived near the lower Elbe, and were better known to the Romans. He grouped the Angles with several other tribes in that region, the Reudigni, Aviones, Varini, Eudoses, Suarines, and Nuithones.
They were the cowards who didn't fight the Roman invasions due to their strategic location.
they were all living behind ramparts of rivers and woods, and therefore inaccessible to attack.
Which is the only reason they could amass enough men to invade Britannia after the Roman Empire fell (thanks to other Germanic tribes that sacked it).
Your ancestors are just as much celtic briton if not more so
I know exactly what my ancestors are. Celts and Germanics are ethnic cousins because both are from Bell Beaker people, who spanned all of Europe. Have a look where the Celts originate from, because where their highest concentration is isn't their origin.
Germans have always been quick to fight someone.
Racists want desperately to steal valor from other people because they lack the free will in society, the personal will, and the opportinities to foster true valor of their own as individuals. Your ancestor may have been vikangz, but youre still a neet.
Bruh you aren’t British
Your ancestors may have been conquistadors, but you are still Mexican.
Your ancestor may have been vikangz
Vikings are not a people, it's an activity. It's old English for piracy. You "go on a viking" like you would "go hiking".
Most Italians are your cousins.
I heard a lot of them actually came from Flanders.
Finnic (reindeer molester types)
ftfy
The English are Anglo Saxons.
Wrong, you are a mutt.
A 2022 study analyzing 460 ancient genomes from England, Ireland, the Netherlands, Germany, and Denmark found that 25–47% of present-day English DNA originates from Anglo-Saxon migrants.
. A 2020 study of Viking-era burials estimated that modern English populations derive 38% of their ancestry from native British sources and 37% from a Danish-like population, of which up to 6% may be attributed to Viking migrations
en.wikipedia.org
At best less than half.
You think less than 50% germanic is not a mutt?
more shitting on natives' ancestry
OP is either brown or a kike. we should straw poll this ond
diOS mIo
The celts and the saxons are almost identical
Depends if your other half is swarthy Romanoid or White Norman/Celtic.
found the pakishit again
you dont belong in Europe. go the fuck home to your shitty sandbox
The Angles lived north of the low Saxons in Jylland. The Angles were most concentrated around what is now called (an English toponym) the Angeln peninsula. In the migrations this same arrangement occurred again, with Saxon kingdoms in the south and middle and Anglic kingdoms in the north. And back on Jylland the Slavs did not start moving in until the late 500s AD, while the previous Germanics (the Angle-Saxon tribes) likely lived there well into the BC era before the largest part of them left to the isles c400-500s AD.
The Angles and Saxons were on the farthest fringes of the Roman empire, far enough they did not encounter each other. The Rhinish and interior tribes were the main ones that were involved in the Roman wars. Frisians also did not have much encounters with Romans, they were geographically on the fringes. The Romans did not have coastal dominance in the north, the Germanic tribes did, the Angle-Saxons, Jutes, and Frisians. During the migrations the main route that was chosen by most tribes was continental westward and southward. But the coastal Germanic tribes largely stayed where they were and the few that did migrate went to the isles, some at the behest of Roman trading merchants and lords.
Ultimately, the greatest betrayers of Germanics were what became called the Franks. They also destroyed the Frisians and Saxons wholesale on the continent c800s AD (Charles de Groot being the butcherer of the continental Saxons, murdering 4000+ of them). The Franks also destroyed the Angle-Saxon kingdoms via the Normans.
Ya I guess, all this jewish D&C of Northern Europeans. Pretty much the same really.
Anglo saxons aren't native to britain
Personally I don’t care but you’re still an invader.
Get off me land ya paki cunt
I have a Saxon last name
62.5% of my DNA shows it's from mainland western Europe
I say that I'm English
Kraut claims this isn't the case because of some 460 genome study
I think you should at least do some more research on the matter before making a conclusion.
kek nice skirts fags
When we arrived the British women jumped on board our ships and basically raped us
Its disengenuous to act like vikings arent used as a generalized term to refer to historical groups that participated in viking. And i was also just using the term for commedic effect. I understand theres a lot of distinction between old norse people and anglo saxons of britain.
My point is to recognize that my ancestry cant buy me valor and only by my own works can i be worthy of respect. Your response is still trapped in the racialized paradigm of before because you cant fathom a the concept that anything even could supercede race.
To be honest I am just picking a fight.
The celts and the saxons are almost identical
They are, because they both come from the Bell Beaker people. Notice how the assholes who keep pushing the idea that Anglo Saxons are not native to Britain are quiet when it comes to this fact. I don't expect a single reply when I show them the origins of the Celts which isn't Britain.
Kek. Don't look into why roughly 70% of Icelandic women are from Irish and British Celtic lineages today.
The identity you englishmen have is from the scythians/sarmatians(same people as khazars).Take arthurian legends for example. It perfectly explains your relationship with israel and the war against russia in ukraine.
It was probably the teeth that got them all randy.
Angles were a separate tribe of Germanics north of the Saxons
Normandy was a Viking settlement and became a Duchy of France
Learn history you retarded cunt
As I understand it the old idea was that the English were a Germanic people, they speak a Germanic language and were descended from Germanic tribes like Angles, Saxons, Jutes, etc.
But recent genetic studies suggested the English were actually mostly descended from Native Britons and had only partial (less than like 30%) Germanic ancestry.
It made you sound pedantic and nerdy. A bit beta. Your honesty made you antagonistic, self confident. Much more alpha.
they built much of england as did they america. both of my parents' surnames names are anglo-saxon (old norse). regardless, countries don't just spring up out of nowhere from nothing, they are built by people and kinship.
i am white as death and have only one line on this dumb DNA test thing (my idiot relative sent in against my will)
the anglos were the primary race subdued by the norman elites starting in 1066 and still pose a threat to them to this day
“Anglos” and "Franks" are just coalitions of several smaller Germanic clans that banded under a single name.
The Franks too began as a loose federation of neighboring tribes along the lower Rhine (Chamavi, Amsivarii, Chattuarii, Bructerii, Chatti, Tubantes, Salians, Sicambri, Tencteri, Usipetes)
Over the centuries these tribes united under Frankish leaders, starting with Merovingian leaders like Merovech and Clovis, and later the Carolingians, eventually naming their land 'Franks,' which became modern France and western Germany.
But they are all Germans.
Yes, they had a lot of infighting between them, nothing new.
Read:
livius.org
historyfiles.co.uk
historyfiles.co.uk
The genetic makeup of English isn't uniform. The more you go to the west, the more Celtic is becomes. You can see this in the names of the settlements from one side of England to the other. The eastern coast is filled with location names ending in 'by' That's because 'by' means place. So Grimsby means Grim Place.
Celts are R1b-P312, which is the majority of Irish, Spanish, French and most Italians (less in the south) male ancestry. Germanics are R1b-U106 which separated from P312 a thousand years prior to the bell beaker expansion and the next meet up between the two in Britain occurred 3000 years later. This is also besides the fact that I1 is also a Germanic lineage. Germans and Celts aren’t the same. Btw Germanic lineages were probably a ruling minority until the danelaw, Norman conquest, and intense migration of Flemish and Dutch around the late Middle Ages. Today around 60% of Englishmen have Germanic paternal roots, most coming from the Middle Ages I believe but at the very least all coming from around the 5-6th century as invaders.
An important thing to note is that Anglo-Saxon names are relatively unique among Germanic names. Especially the aethling names.
The Old Norse names that came into English mostly came from the Danelaw, the Norse also gave certain words to the Anglo-Saxons that were not recorded in their own languages before the Norse invasions c700-900s around York and Danelaw.
But even despite this Old English was close enough to Norse to be nearly mutually intelligible to an educated speaker of either tongue. Jorvik-Yorwich.
The Angles were a distinct tribe north of the Saxons, and the Frisians were also a distinct tribe west of the Saxons. Among Germanic toponyms and names some of the most unique in west Germanic come from Aetheling Anglo-Frisian names and etymologies and runes.
The Angle-Saxons were a loose confederation, they warred with one another both before and after the migrations, with the Saxons winning on the isles largely because the Angles in the north were invaded by thousands of Norse speaking Vikings from Denmark and Norway.
origins of the Celts
They were the ancient Egyptians, after the shit skins Egypt invaded they had enough of them crying about oppression and inequality to they migrated to a new home and built a new empire.
These are the basis for the stone circles, portal tombs, they were constructed and used as a means to leave messages to our people that this is the way to the promise land.
They were not a calendar as the Jews like to claim, but they were in fact a map, a map that if you knew how to read the star constellations you would know how to find the promise land.
Today the shit skins can travel across oceans because of public transport but in the past we were safe from their shitty skinnery.
Now there is no where left to go so we must put our focus on the stars to escape them.
It is the only hope we have to survive, the shit skins are the great devourers, they are the civilisational filter, we must always struggle against them until we can leave them and remember when they devour and destroy themselves on earth with their shit skinnery, there will be no one else left to blame but themselves and never allow them to reach the stars as they are a plague.
Germans and Celts aren’t the same
I never said they were the fucking same you dense twat, I said Celts and Germanics are ethnic cousins because their ancestors are the Bell Beaker people. The Bell Beaker people predate the Celts and the Germanics.
All Indo Europeans come from southern Russia not Egypt. If youre referring to Tut being R1b his R1b is not related to Bell Beakers of northern and Western Europeans but Balkan and Anatolian coming directly from the Yamnaya.
how about you get back on your flying carpet and go back to the land of goat fuckery, poverty and American bomb craters where you belong
you talk a lot about Europe for someone that has no business being there you undesirable, filthy a-rab nigger transplant
History is all jumbled up. Identity is a stronger clue to real history than mere timelines stitched together by the papists.
And go back far enough we are cousins with blacks. Your point is retarded, you can’t claim Britain is yours because of the previous Celts being your “cousins” even though that’s 3000 years ancient history. Britain is Germanic because of blood and steel and you must accept the new comers doing to the same to you as you did the previous inhabitants. Fight or get cucked. Personally I don’t care about Britain.
You are nowhere near France and have probably never interacted with a French or German person in your life so you don't know the meaning of the words Saxony or Normandy to them. keep getting all your knowledge on England from Americans
And go back far enough we are cousins with blacks. Your point is retarded
No anon, you're retarded for thinking that distant races are the same as ethnic cousins who share the exact same ancestor. In fact, it would be better for me to say that Celts and Germanics are more like ethnic half siblings than ethnic cousins.
you can’t claim Britain is yours
Yes I fucking can because my DNA proves it.
Amerishart nonhuman schizo spergout
Kill yourself you retarded nigger, I have no idea who you're talking about but you should 100% neck yourself.
Celts invaded Britain 2500 bc, Germanics invaded 3000 years later. You aren’t the same or “cousins”. This is retarded.
get out of Europe you disgusting fucking shitskin paki nobody whats you thete
Identity is a stronger clue to real history than mere timelines stitched together by the papists.
Wrong, faggot. Identity is made up. the only thing that matters is blood.
The only reason your country was ever successful is because of its German blood.
@503782787
Kill yourself, shitskin pakijeet.
You are retarded when it comes to this debate about ancestry and ethnic settlements. You think that people's are static, even when the term 'Anglo-Saxon' with a hyphen emphasizing the union of people is right in front of your face.
you have zero german blood you african cockroach who the fuck you think youre kidding
Americans of Anglo-Celtic descent are undercounted because many of them report their ethnicity as "American." But yes there are many Germans in America maybe the largest single group if you divide up the peoples of the British Isles into many different ethnicities.
Funny you say this when Anglos saw themselves as different from the Irish and welsh in language, culture and facial characteristics which coupled with military and economic superiority meant they saw themselves as superior and the Irish and welsh and also cornish inferior. Now look at YDNA, the Irish, welsh and Cornish are Celtic paternally, the Anglos are mostly Germanic…almost as if you are two different people…one native the other not.
Yes, most of the population that inhabited England were niggers and streetshitters. Who are Anglo Saxons, Anglo Saxon name came from Africa as there was a tribe in there, so niggers Deron that tribe decided to move to the island and called it England and then started to procreate and then those niggers went to the rest of Europe
Indians are also different, they have their Tamil slaves who worship the Turkish Brahmin class who occupy their lands.
Personally I don’t care about Britain.
Of course you don't, kike
Americans of Anglo-Celtic descent are undercounted
You can count them part Germanic as well.
Identity is made up, only blood matters.
You suffer from cognitive dissonance, own up to being an invader and trying to resist the new batch of invaders or suffer the same fate. Maybe you deserve it?
We agree there.
(me replying) i ended up with one of those vikinger names taken to the Danelaw. translated to modern English (without doxxing myself) it would be something along the lines of wolf-spear or god-eagle
apparently reading thru books of the period the plunderers and raiders took on such names. some still surviving today, although extremely truncated. they can be found all over england in various forms (and thus, also now Anglo lands)
It's kind of weird they chose an "intermediate" period of their history as their "definitive" heritage. Why not the britons(i.e king arthur) or the post norman modern england?
low iq barbarians patting themselves on their backs. but also, due to concealing roman law with the bullshit which came since henry VIII, and finalised with oliver cromwell...
The Germanics were memelords when it came to names and self descriptions.
One of the oldest Germanic words ever inscribed in direct attestetion comes from the Negau helms and artifacts. On one of the helms in Italic-Etruscan script some likely Scandinavian mercenary inscribed "army-guest" (basically a mercenary) on his helm to likely differentiate his specific helm from the other soldiers helms as he was likely a Germanic speaker among speakers of foreign languages in a foreign land far removed from the Baltic and early Germanic territory.
Many Germanic names are self descriptive or carried on from specific people that had self descriptive names for meme purposes or otherwise. My last name is among the more common Germanic names, a forest animal.
The Anglo Saxon is the only white who is naturally aware of Jewish tricks. Thats why even anglos dont get help from other subhuman whites like Nordics.
Your entire argument hinges on the idea that Celts and Germanics have zero blood relation to one another, even though I've shown that through the Bell Beaker people. You're stupid or a troll who wasn't prepared for the wealth of information someone like me has.
Is that why the anglos created israel
Norman is another name for French
Norman weren't french you faggot they were "North men" aka Vikings.
Is that why the anglos created israel
Merchant tricks my friend. Follow the money, global plans are created and enacted on over generations.
why do you care?
yep, so you're likely a wulf/wollf/wolf too.
i had read also that Germanic lore saw them as the harbingers of order, and are extremely revered among animals in the wald. wish i could find more about that, but that given name is so absurdly common it lends credence to this very idea
i don't know why but that "guest" inscribed helmet makes me kek, like as in, "hey, uh, what happened to the last guy that had it"
Forgot
historyfiles.co.uk
It's a federation of tribes banding under one name.
There were 0 Genetic or lingual difference between them. Maybe 0.1% difference between them and Anglos etc.
the "anglo saxons" were the indigenous culture of england from the end of roman occupation until 1066. the kingdoms were never unified and always at war with each other. the main threat to the anglo saxon kingdoms were the vikings. the entire north had been overrun, the Danish King Harthacanute was given the throne in 1040 with the backing of some of the kingdoms and the holy roman emperor. He died and his son Harald Hardrada claims the throne. Edward the confesor who is half norman and in exile in normandy was given the throne instead. Edwards legit successor was Harold Godwinson who took the throne but the throne was also claimed by Harald Hardrada and WIlliam the Duke of Normandy. Both invaded simultaneously. Harold Goodwinson leading the Anglo Saxon armies defeated the heathen army and then marched to fight the Normans. They were defeated by the Normans. But then something unsusual happened, instead of consolidated power in the traditional way WIlliam started murdering all of the Anglo Saxon lords and building castles where normans would pacify the countryside. basically they could not move out of their castles without taking an army with them for many years, but they eventually pacify the country and murder the anglo saxon leadership. the anglo saxons became a slave class who greatly resented the normans for the next 600 years. the normans also interbred with anglo saxon women making a large gentry class. the resentment against the norman aristocrats continued until the english civil war and then american revolution and even somewhat led to the American civil war.
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By this time the jews were actively stoking the resentment and backing the puritan anglos financlally. that is why anglos are basically jews but they are not as adept at fuckery as jews, the whole idea of limited government comes from the anglo resentment and emasculation. with the help of the jews the anglos and their twisted form of self hating government came to dominate the planet. that is why the anglos worship israel because that is the mission that was emplanted in them by the jews, the puritan anglos comsidered themselves to be like the old testament jews and never really suspected that the actual jews were controlling them. so the whole end times/israel apocalypse is their end goal but is ccmpletely controlled by ashkenazi jews, the anglos are their golem
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By 500 ad that didn’t matter. Different haplogroups = different ethnicity
The main differences back then were what they called themselves (their local demonym rather than their larger Germanic demonym which was Teut/Theod/Duits) and their local attachments to the lands they lived on. Some tribes were absorbed into larger confederations that were called by outsiders a different tribal name, while others like the Angles and Saxons and Frisians largely maintained coherency in the migrations. The Scandinavians already had confederations in BC times, given that both Gotland and Geatland share the same toponyms and demonyms, but the Burgundian (Bornholmish) and Alandish and Jutish retained separate tribal demonyms which were based on geographic location.
In references to the ancient Teutish religion and spirituality the great wolf Fenrir brings about the deaths of many of the gods in the Ragnarok. But in this role it is more akin to something that brings about change, because after Ragnarok the old gods are resurrected and a new world is born. In the more local folklores wolves are more or less seen as sacred beasts of Wodin and the forest. In later lores they are more seen as scourges that destroy property (livestock) and they were nearly hunted to extirpation, this was mostly in christian times. In ancient Roman lores it was a wolf that nursed Remus and Romulus to adulthood in the wilds, and led to the founding of Rome. So they were important animals in IE lores in general. In Slavic the equivalent is "Volk" (Wolf not folk). The ancient Celts and Germanics believed in all sorts of stuff that later became staples in christianity though misunderstood. For example the Sun cross (later christian cross) and Sun boat were already in ancient pre-christian Germanic, even in the Nordic bronze age artifacts. So to were swastikas, zierschieben, astrotheology and metaphysical concepts (pertaining to the human mind, huginn and munin). They also believed in nature and runic "magic" like the druids (meme pic related).
Everyone wants to know where they come from.
Whom their ancestors were.
You're just crying that Brits don't want to be Mutts.
Nor do we Australians.
Australia is not part of Oceania.
Run away and cry.
"In our courts we promise protection to all men, with no regard to rank or wealth."
- Charter of Ethelred, King of the West Saxons, around 1000AD.
That's real constitutional matter, not the manner of a speech with hollow words.
English, for you mutts, is a tectonic language.
In Old Tectonic 'man' means 'one'.
The prefixes 'wo' and 'ne' designated what one.
'Ne' has dropped out of use (after dramatic local variations).
Mutt political talking points dictate that 'woman' means 'woe to man'.
You don't even understand English.
Eat it!
70% of English DNA Britonnic Celtic, 80% of Scottish DNA Brittonic Celtic, 90% of Welsh DNA Brittonic Celitc
NOOO WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT!!! ENGLAND IS GERMANIC, SCOTLAND IS GAELIC, WALES IS BRITONNIC!!!!
There are no 'English', 'Scottish', 'welsh' or 'Northern Irish' people there are only Britons. We are the same race, only divided by historical, not even present, cultural and linguistic differences and propaganda/
I can't wait for someone to tell him the Franks of the period were strictly German/Low Country.
Totally false. English have different YDNA from welsh, Irish, Cornish and highland Scots.
A lot of people also don't realize that ancient Teutish cultures had organized laws (a Germanic word) and rights which were commonly held. For example the weregild system for wrong doings against any kinfolk. The folkmoot system in which the wise common folk gave out the punishments and understandings of the common law (somewhat but distantly related to the modern jury system). And in these systems a common man could even successfully get recompense from the local lords and aethelings, something which somewhat disappeared in practice under Norman law where peasants were seen as legally inferior to lords (they were seen as land slaves in the Norman system largely). Another thing to note is that one of the Old English (and common Teutish) words for "honor", was mannish (honor of men, oath keeper).
I could split fine hairs but...
That's the most intellectual thing I've ever known a Mutt to say.
Or are you using a VPN?
I am an American, but most American care little for the study of history or of philosophy in general, let alone philology. I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of Americans would fail at finding Austria or perhaps even Sweden on a map.
I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of Americans would fail at finding Austria or perhaps even Sweden on a map.
You don't want to hear the stories.
On to something interesting...
The modern jury system comes from co-existent concepts in Scandinavia, Saxony and England.
It's really how you want to look at it, but source materials are limited.
I remember this after some catholic monks, priests, whatever they were, tried to recruit me to something and claimed the whole world gets their jury system from the Roman.
I remember this after some catholic monks, priests, whatever they were, tried to recruit me to something and claimed the whole world gets their jury system from the Roman.
Partially true. Depends on the jurisdiction. Anglosphere is Common Law while the Roman system is Civil Law and covers a large portion of Europe.
there was never any good reason to share a country, a language, or the internet with pajeets
Partially true. Depends on the jurisdiction.
True.
There are deep fault lines in Europe.
The original idea of NATO was "To keep the Russians out, the Americans in and Germany down."
I think that if Western Europe adopted "In our courts we promise protection to all men, with no regard to rank or wealth." in their constitutions, the fault lines would break, without the need for standing armies.
Partially true.
They said it as a total statement.
They believe reality conforms with policy.
Whomever invented the lie must know better of course.
Why are the jews so obsessed with undermining white ethnic identities?
Partially true. Depends on the jurisdiction. Anglosphere is Common Law while the Roman system is Civil Law and covers a large portion of Europe.
A common theme amongst young Dutch who move to Australia, or those I've met, is getting away from the Roman legacy in law:
"Living in Europe isn't all it's made out to be."
what kind of astroturfed shillfarm niggers are these
chose an "intermediate" period
Anglos are protojews. Briton gained its power through piracy and exploitation
Never achieved anything big in the middle east either
Balfour Agreement. They gave us Kikeland
NO ONE CAN ANSWER TO THIS?
A LOT of this thread reads like a bot posting a narrative across multiple ids
Teutonic... facepalm...
anglo saxon means angel archon
The jews are an amalgamation of species that western european man nearly annihilated after the ice age thaw and the mixing of populations that allowed for.
They are cannibals; at least one of their specialties was and is preying on hominids.
The memory of your ancestors lives on in you when you see an uncanny kike grin.
You know subconsciously that mouth evolved to eat your flesh.
They were among the Phoenicians, where it is rumored that our phonetic writing style came from.
This seems to be their first host in recorded history but no doubt not their first host really.
They seem to have caused the downfall of Babylon somehow.
They were among the Egyptians too but it's not clear that they were tolerated, but it does seem like they helped the Ethopians invade and take over Egypt for a generation.
The turning point in their fortunes seems to be their takeover of the Persian Empire.
Now read:
en.wikipedia.org
It seems like they were a distinct race-class in Persia, the magi.
It seems like their influence persisted and this story about them being overthrown is a cover.
They used Persia to break into the west and began corrupting it and sowing division between the greeks.
Xerxe's invasion could have succeeded, but it was not necessary for it to do so, it just needed to carry the magi/jews deeper.
anglos means "eng"
its a german word
the english dont understnad it
england = enges land = narrow land
why are English/Anglish/Anglo obsessed with Anglos?
Because thats who they are, ahmed
Pretty much
The place-name is first attested in Widsith, an Old English poem dating to the 6th or 7th century. It has been linked to the Germanic roots *angulaz ("hook") and *angw- ("narrow"), and may have originated as a name for the Schlei.
Having been to Qatar and reading on its history, the kingdom was merely a protectorate of the British Crown
I'll add that the Anglo-Saxon period was the last time Britain was substantially pagan, namely Germanic pagan. By the time all the Anglo Saxons exalted Christ instead of Odin, Thor, and the rest of the cast of the Germanic Heavenly mead hall, relegating them to the days of the week, the Great Heathen Horde sailed over to carve out the Danelaw. Sadly, there still is no media that really quiet depicts the period right in a way that's both romantic and historic
Anglers. Anglerland England
its funny that both England and France are named after german tribes
I hate to pull an "ACKtualleee" but Norman is another name for Norseman. The French/Franks call them that and Normandy after them because thats where they settled when they were baptized
The Scottish Highlands were effectively autonomous until the 1750s when the Jacobite rebellion was put down and the Black Watch went around scaring all the clans
I doubt there were more than half a million celts in all of Britain by the 6th Century
Mercian Anglo royalty along with cousin clans in Norway were the last Ynglings the royal tribe of the pan-Aryans.
The old Scythian sacred treasure horde was sent to England to be cared for by Eadwacer.
England is important.
The Norman conquest ended a 3000 year old dynasty
This ones from late 2022.
its funny that both England and France are named after german tribes
America as well.
America is named after Amerigo Vespucci, but The name itself is ultimately from Gothic
The man's name Amerigo is Germanic, said to derive from Gothic Amalrich, literally "work-ruler." The Old English form of the name has come down as surnames Emmerich, Emery, etc.
Amalric or Amalaric (also Americ, Almerich, Emeric, Emerick and other variations) is a personal name derived from the tribal name Amal (referring to the Gothic Amali) and ric (Gothic reiks) meaning "ruler, prince".
Uh, maybe YOUR ancestors you bog nigger
we are overwhelmingly celt and anglo
SAAR WE ARE THE ARYAN CELTIC ANGLOS SAAR
This whole thing is a chink psyop, The English identify with the Anglo Saxons because that is what they are. Also, that study you posted is still just inaccurate, they didn't use a large enough sample size of AS DNA. Old historical record is correct.
it was also a german cartographer who came up with the america name
Late Rome was a massive Gothic conspiracy at the periphery under the old Scythian royalty which had fled to the Baltic coast after the Sauromatian incursions. The Gothic descent into the Pontic was under Scythian hegemony. The royal treasure of the Scythians was brought to England with Eadwacer who was invited there because the Celts and Angles had similar pre-Christian beliefs that resonated with pre-Nicene Christianity.
They were among the first and most durable waves of the northwest Germanic warrior kings. The jutes were obviously from Jutland (Denmark). The Jutes went mostly into Scotland and northern England. The Anglos in the center. The saxons in the south. The welsh, the remaining celts, were pushed west. But to this day, the Anglos and Saxons are the most dominant progeny. There are also a number of Normans.
The Island of Kings
You’re a literal moron.
The Franks were the Sucumbri tribe sometimes called Cimbri because they were Cimmerians. They originated from Pannonia and were called the Sigynnae there. In Roman reckoning they were the Istaevones
The Cimmerian and the large complex they belonged to were essentially the Yamnaya exactly.
Their tribal name would have been the Khumri. We can in fact start calling them that.
The estimated population of the British isles in Roman times was between 1.5 and 4 million.
The Norse also sailed to America before the Italians and Spaniards. They called it Vinland, suggesting they also sailed as far south as what is now Maryland and Virginia. But the only known surviving settlement is in L'Anse aux Meadows. They worked iron in the same way they did in Scandinavia, bog iron. The native Americans did not have metallurgy.
It's a core part of their cultural identity you dumb cunt. Neither the britons nor normans had near the impact on shaping England into England that the post Roamn Germanics did.
Yeah, I’m like 20% danish but it’s all from my British ancestry.
Our history is so fascinating. Little wonder they hate us so.
DNA tests are a total hoax
I’d love to see every bit of it except London, Manchester and a few other no go zones.
Proof?
460 ancient genome
Not a large enough sample.
LivingDNA lines up pretty much exactly correct to where my ancestors were from in England based upon genealogy...
Living DNA estimates me to be 41.5% Great Britain and Ireland, 36.6% Northwest Germanic, 12.4% Scandinavia, 6.7% South Germanic, and 2.8% Basque.
In terms of their categories, I should be >99% Northwest Germanic, so they’re pretty far from the mark. The 41.5% Great Britain and Ireland is way too high, and the subdivision into regions within England makes no sense. However, only 41.5% British is a huge improvement over the 2018 estimates, which had me at 94.4% British/Irish.
wtf are you talking about? lol.
The Franks were the Sucumbri
It's an origin myth
The Sicambri were a historical Germanic tribe defeated and largely dispersed/deported by the Romans under Tiberius around 8/7 BCE.
The Franks were a later Germanic confederation (emerging 3rd century CE) that likely included some descendants/remnants of the Sicambri among many other groups.
Frankish chroniclers later created a myth linking the Franks directly to the Sicambri and further back to Trojan refugees (led by Francio) to gain legitimacy and prestige comparable to the Romans. This Trojan connection is purely legendary.
The use of "Sicamber" as a synonym for "Frank" in later texts (like at Clovis's baptism) reflects the success of this foundational myth.
Also, they are not related to the Cimbri at all.
You probably meant the Cugerni
The name of the Cugerni is not recorded as one which ever existed on the east of the Rhine, unlike the Ubii, but the Cugerni are thought to descend at least partly from a part of the Sicambri, who had already been present just over the Rhine in the time of Caesar, and then moved over the Rhine.
what I said
cant you read
they are entirely useless
I thought it meant end land. Like the edge of things.
Thing is, the alternative was basing their national identity on being one of the many faggots buckbroken by the Roman Empire... way too shameful, on the Romanians could do that
They are not a hoax. They’re pretty darn accurate. The hoax was some companies giving people 1-2% African dna to make them feel like we’re all one big family. But I’m not sure they do that anymore.
You know, Hans, we people of ancestry derived of the British isles (at least, those of us with Germanic/norman British lines) are in a certain manner more Germanic than the Germans. It seems to me the most Germanic of all pushed furthest west and north. So, if you’re central German, you’re most likely part Slav. I have an I1 haplogroup. It’s originally danish. What’s yours? You got you an R1B, do ya? Well, that’s probably why you think it’s a hoax. It ain’t. I’m more essentially german than (You). That must really burn you up.
I have an I1 haplogroup. It’s originally danish.
Good morning, lil’ bro.
elite that pushed its identity on the plebs of different ethnic/sub-ethnic origin
That would be Normans
We're all a mix of Celt and Anglo-Saxon and only (some of) the aristocracy are Norman
Where are you actually from? do you know? The subdivision into regions is entirely accurate because those populations haven't moved for a very very long time. Again, my family is 100% from the UK and they have matched regions up to almost exactly where my gemological research has shown.
The British beat the French for North America
The French didn't even give a shit about North America. New France had a garrison of a few thousand soldiers and the population never exceeded 100k, which was one tenth the population of the English colonies in 1750. The French were more concerned about their profitable nigger plantations in the tropics that produced sugar and fibers.
The entirety of India and their empire was conquered with a few thousand men.
This is literally not true. The English bargained with the local shitskin warlords for exclusive trading rights. They did the same thing in China. When the English say that they "conquered" a country that was any more developed than a desolate wasteland that was sparsely populated by stone age spearchuckers, it means that they prevented other European countries from trading there.
Rome, on the other hand, ACTUALLY conquered Britain by marching its armies all the way up to Scotland and building a hundred forts. Greece ACTUALLY conquered Persia when Alexander marched 1000 miles to the East and vanquished Darius in battle. Modern European """"empires""" were for the most part just jew-funded slave colonies.
they re a hoax and there are countless examples for it
youre an american and you have no idea where your ancestors come from
if you say anything lese, it immediately exposes you as a liar
Why are the Anglos obsessed with their ancestors?
It must have been an awesome time to be an Englishman.
Some companies are worse than others.
youre an american and you have no idea where your ancestors come from
I've traced them back to the 1500s, I doubt you have, Euros never do.
to 1725
That beautiful mask is almost certainly the functional equivalent of the literal tin foil hat meant to protect against radiation and nothing else.
The opium wars were almost entirely controlled by the sassoon family, the richest family on the planet for a time. Not often referenced in history for some reaon.
web.archive.org
Maybe sperging about race on Anon Babble doesn't work because the lineages of all of those people was almost immediately intermixed and their political relationships complex even in the year 1000.
the Welsh build up Strathclyde in Scotland
the Gaels have Vikingised and are harrassing the Mercians
the Mercians and the Welsh are united against other Saxon kingdoms
Or even later
Mel Gibson's Hammer of the Scots... except his grandma was Queen Maude of Scotland
This idea that even in these times that Picts, Gaels, Saxons and Normans didn't have intermarriage , shared culture or diplomatic relationships is silly. The Tudors had Welsh origins. The Jacobites were ostensibly Scots.
Fwiw the English identify strongly with the cultural Saxons as doughty, appreciative of a good joke or riddle, fond of well made tools and time around the hearth and solid, fair deal making. It's a symbolic thing. The stolid, straightforward Germanic part of Englishness.
When the Normans came (who had a claim via the Norse) they were essentially invading an Anglo Danish kingdom.
Winston, Harold, Wilfred, Edward, Alfred, Chadwick, Audrey, Edith, Ethel and Mildred are all first names that are Anglo-Saxon in origin.
Germans, nor Germany was a thing until a few centuries ago.
norman, norse and anglo is the same thing.
genetics disagrees with you
Vandals Franks alamanni burgundian batavi prussia
No Germany
how come there's essex and sussex and wessex but no norsex?
british are ugly franco-hispanic island nigs. they wwish they were nordo-germanic.
why dont you go neck yourself, island nigger
You are English people but with a recessive gene that makes you really, really into shitting.
Quality post.
Turk
Paki island
All the shittiest opinions come from a mutt or a bong or a kangaroo fucker who call themselves anglosaxon. Its like a scientific theorem at this point.
Why are the english so obsessed with the Anglo-Saxons
OP you jeet
The last true Anglo Saxon make dird a couple of years ago.
RIP.
Thats actually very good.
Germany as a nation state did not exist until prussian unification. It was a previously a multitude of germanic states and kingdoms.
that is meanignless gobblygook
Germany exised ever since Arminius unified the german tribes against the romans
The German nationality was actually not founded in any historical Germanic state or kingdom. This is the simple fact. There is a difference between Germanic language, culture, ethnicity, and German nationality.
care about your own shithole, Pancho
True English are Anglo Saxons, you swarthy (((economic migrant)))
It's not my job to educate a low iq Paki.
Because England was united by Anglo Saxons
Who are the real chosen people?
True. Angloniggers btfo
There were only the Frankish empire and kingdoms, and the HRE (which wasn't a unitary german political state).
it is the time when britain began to evolve a high culture.Not so primitive any more. It is also when you would see a mix of symbology (christian and pre-christian) on artefacts.
I posted a link, you stupid nigger
They were whites unlike the brown hands that typed OP's message, their skin wasn't the color of the manure that's found at the toilet before you flush it.
That is referring to the HRE and Frankish kingdoms, which were not unitary German states. They also literally made up the title "king of the germans", it was the Franks who conquered most of the other germanic tribes in what is now germany, then then exploded into a hundred microstates again in the HRE.
YOUR MAP IS SO WRONG
I see, this is the next thread of you eternally seething about germany
have you even decided what you are?
celtic or germanic?
you english never seem to figure that out
but seething about Germany always unites you
No I am stating the raw facts that everyone else in the world objectively understands with a quick study. The german nation state did not exist until the prussians made it up, and guess what they were'nt ethnic prussians (Balts) or germans either.
no, you just know nothing about Germany
youre just an eternally seething english shithead
Because in reality they were mostly dominated by France.
They have to obsess over Anglo-Saxons because who the fuck gets dominated by France LOL.
Mozart was a salzburgian. "German" nationalists conflated Germanic (a much broader term) with German identity. The prussians were as bad as the habsburgs for being neither truly german or invested in Germanic unity.
cope
Spain and Napoleon destroyed your country, and before them the Frankish empire did, which threw off its Germanic heritage and language and murdered thousands of frisians and saxons.
he didnt say germanic, he said deutsch
keep lying, you fuckign kike
What empire is impressive for you, then. Let's see and compare it with the UK.
It's okay; we are still the same people.
Duetsch is the broader folk term for what are called "germanics". The original term is teutish, or theodish in my native English. It was neither a national term or a tribal name, it was the folk of the land. In trying to "unite" the germanics the nationalists actually destroyed doezens of unique and ancient germanic dialects and histories.
English are a melting pot of Celts, Saxons and Germanic royalty as well as the French and some Romans, the pre-historic ones were definitely Picts however (the darker skinned/featured ones they try to claim were niggers.)
The Frankish empire started in The Netherlands.
It was the Salian Franks who united the rest of the Franks under their rule.
Salian Franks are from Salland originally and later spread to the Southern Netherlands.
Spain never conquered The Netherlands (super weird Americans think they did, must be their world famous "education")
The German speaking Habsburger Karel V who rules over The Netherlands at the time married a Spanish Queen so he became King of Spain.
His son didn't speak German and was too much of a Spanish cunt so we got rid of him.
Napoleon did conquer us for a few years before we defeated him near Waterloo.
Frisians are savages just like Anglos and Saxons, yeah we killed those animals.
Because the alternatives are French, Danes or pakis.
You
Duetsch is the broader folk term for what are called "germanics"
what retarded nonsense
he wasnt talkign about fucking scandinvia
the english are the original mutt race without any real roots
sometimes they are germanics, sometimes they are celts, or just british or whatever
there is something deeply unsettling there that makes them seethe so much about germans
They only hated germans post second world war though at least with any legitimate hate.
The early Franks were Rhinish and low Germanics, but they were distinct from the Frisians, Saxons, and various other tribes in the area, they all got absorbed into the Frankish political conglomerate, including the neiderdutch. The Frankish center of power was in what is now France. There is also a distinction between linguistic franconian and frankish. The frankish spoken by Charles de Groot was more than likely middle franconian, and his court absolutely did horrendous things to other Germanics and his own people. He subjugated them under the authority of the papacy and forcefully erased their history. The Frisians are the closest living language group to Old Low Dutch, Old English, and Old Low Saxon. What is now the Netherlands was Frisian during both Roman times and early Frankish times.
The Scandinavians were the original Teuts and Germanics. The nationalists even wanted to destroy the Dutch language and waged war against Denmark over Holstein and south Jylland which was historically Scandinavian. You will never have a completely united Germanic speaking world because the Teutish folk are literally a conglomerate of dozens of geographically distinct tribes and confederacies, each with their own histories even back in Roman times.
nah, the royals had to change their name in Ww1 already
what does that have to do with Mozart, you shizo kike?
The nationalists forgot their own history and who were the original Teuts and then went on to destroy Teutish peoples and heritage all over central and northern Europe. There were Bornholism speakers in western France before hohdeutsch was ever developed.
*Bornholmish
Also it was Scandinavians that sacked Rome.
were talkign abotu Mozart, you malfunctioning shizo
do you ever do anythign than seethe about Germany in every thread?
Mozart did not know or consider what Germanic meant or who the originals were. All of the united conglomerate germanics became mutts and lost their languages and heritage.
no shit, because he didnt talk about germanic he talked about Deutschland
you seething kike
you obviously know aboslutely nothign about germany as the other thread already showed
now youre again talking absolute horseshit
the onyl thing that unites your thought is constant seethe about us
Guess what, every single Germanic speaking country uses their own deutsch term. The neiders use duits, the Swedes-Danes-Norge have their own term, the English have their own term. The absolute state of people that named their pidgin country after that term and not their own unique local heritage show you how retarded the nationalists were.
pidgin country
why dont you neck yourself already
Cuz they're getting ethnically replaced in their own country.
Study real history. Germany as a unitary state did not exist until prussian unification. The previous states were all non-unitary confederacies each with their own local terms and histories.
Go outside and get hit by an enraged nafri. Your country did not exist until prussian unification. And the prussians weren't germans either, neither were the bayerns or austrians or dutch.
youre literally repeating total horsehsit over and over again
I just showed you Mozart and the kingdom of Germany from the middle ages, then you rambled nothing but horseshit, because you have no argument
and now youre back saying the same shit again
just off yoruself already
fucking nigger
Anglos always use this insane cope to try to justify themselves in front of their country being invaded by the French. Normans were just normal French people at the time of 1066. Approximately 5 to 10 thousands Norsemen settled Normandy, in a region that had close to a million people living in it (Neustria was a region that saw heavy Frankish settlement a few centuries prior, on top of a multitudes of gallo-roman people) Only 1/3 of William the Conqueror's army was from Normandy proper.
Pic related
This thread goes to show that OP is right. Instead of choosing a more prestigious heritage (post Norman invasion England), Anglos would rather touch themselves to pictures of ugly masks and putrid wood. Instead of venerating Our Lord Jesus Christ, they would rather touch each other's hands in a circle around stones or follow the made up cult of their fat pig of a king. At least, the utter Frenchification of the English language is something that cannot be undone.
The "kingdom of germany" did not exist. It was a series of divided Frankish states that lorded over the local germanic tribes, like the swabians (seubians) and saxons.
fuckign shizo
None of those people were unitary german statemen. The yall had their little polity titles and elected a "king" which was actually separate from the unitary imperial power structure. All the little wars and power struggles in central Europe were from the nobles and monarchs warring over territory and power. The HRE also did not even have the full papal authority that the Franks had under Charles de Groot. It was neither holy, roman, german, or an empire.
Those are non-unitary Frankish kingdoms retard. That then became the HRE.
they were subservient to the german Kaiser who ruled over the HRE
stupid shizo
it literally says kingdom of germany, you fuckign cunt
They literally called themselves king of the romans and larped as romans. And the king was seperate from the power apparatus and the imperial power. It ended up being neither a unitary kingdom or an empire, but a loose confederacy of dozens of separate states with their own local power.
The early Franks were Rhinish and low Germanics
Low Germanics = Nehtherlands, yes.
Germania Inferior in Latin.
they were distinct from the Frisians, Saxons, and various other tribes in the area
Obviously.
Netherlands had numerous tribes both Germanic and Celtic.
The Salian Franks were one of them.
they all got absorbed into the Frankish political conglomerate
By the Salian Franks: the Franks from The Netherlands who were friendly towards the Romans as opposed to the Franks hostile to the Romans.
The Frankish center of power was in what is now France.
This will shock American: Franks are NOT from France,. (Huh??????)
Nope, they lived along the Rhine and the IJssel rivers.
They CONQERED France (or rather Transalpine Gaul) and MADE it their new center of power.
There is also a distinction between linguistic franconian and frankish. The frankish spoken by Charles de Groot was more than likely middle franconian
Originally the Franks spoke a Germanic language similar to Dutch.
After C O N Q U E R I N G France the nobility tried to lean Latin (since they were Salian Franks who liked Romans) and ended up with a mix between Dutch, Celtic and Latin we call "French".
and his court absolutely did horrendous things to other Germanics and his own people. He subjugated them under the authority of the papacy and forcefully erased their history. The Frisians are the closest living language group to Old Low Dutch, Old English, and Old Low Saxon.
Well that is how you build empires.
What is now the Netherlands was Frisian during both Roman times and early Frankish times.
Wrong.
There were Frisians but there were many others tribes well, including the Salian Franks.
Frisians were hostile to the Romans but most other tribes got along with Romans pretty well and some like the Salian Franks and the Batavians were strongly allied with the Romans.
ah yes, I guess they elected a german king just for one then I gues
you stupid nigger
It was a series of Frankish kingdoms. A single kingdom of the germans did not exist. The franks were pushing for the nationalist unitary state and also failed, exploding into the HRE which followed more tribal and local heritage lines.
*for fun
it was a kind of federation, you stupid nigger
and it literally had a fuckign king
it also had nationwide courts
these fuckign lying kikes
theyve been doing this shit for 200 years
The entire power structure of the frankish and HRE states were comical, they were king of "romans" and king of "germans" also the duke of swabia, etc. They held no real power over the others, and they also self proclaimed they were under the papacy, even though the papacy was less involved with the HRE than it was with the earlier frankish kingdoms.
There was no absolute unitary power or state. They were a clusterfuck of different legal and power structures and systems. The unitary absolutist state only emerged with the prussian unification.
english
you mean ruskis?
It had federal structures, which settled disputes
and it literally had supreme courts
stupid shizo kike
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The Franks were Roman sellouts, they also sold out to the pope, which also coincided with their migration of their center of power into what is now france. The franks also much later conquered the Frisians who were the original inhabitants of the coasts that is now Belgium and the Netherlands and NW Germany.
fucking shizo
we had a national post service since 1650
Every single polity had a separate court and legal system, the prince electors also had no binding absolutist power over the others and intercessions were made between the electors, dukes, "king", and the pope. It was a complete clusterfuck and not in anyway a unitary state. The frankish kingdoms had something closer to a unitary state, but they were fractured by noble factions as well and were not one single polity.
That's not a unitary german state. The unitary german absolutist state did not emerge until prussian domination, and during the prussian wars it could have gone either way, united under austria or under prussia.
keep repeating the same horseshit, you fucking shizo nigger
"Kingdom of Germany" is just what the "Holy Roman Empire" was called before the Pope crowned the King as emperor.
Your lack of historical knowledge is worrying, read some more books.
do you even read the links, you stupids hizo nigger?
do you know what a supreme court means
you fuckign cunt?
It is historical fact that there was not a unitary "german" state until the prussians. The "kingdom of germany" was literally just east francia, which was fractured from middle and west francia by noble blood lines and rule.
The kingdom of germany was just east francia. A seperate entity from the other frankish kingdoms and the later HRE.
ENGLAND IS A SLAVE CREATION.
IT'S A COUNTRY THAT GOT CREATED BY WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY OF INTERNATIONAL ENSLAVERS.
ALL COUNTRIES IN EUROPE ARE ENSLAVED,
BUT BRITAIN IS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS.
The Franks were Roman sellouts
The Romans saved the Salian Franks from the Saxons.
They allowed them to cross the Rhine and settle on Roman controlled land.
In return the Salian Franks defended the Roman controlled land from possible invaders (mostly Saxons).
It was an alliance that out-lasted the Roman Empire itself that benefited both sides (and the Pope in Rome) tremendously.
The pope in Rome and the later Frankish kings would have seen you as a literal slave and field fodder for their own enrichment. The imperial Romans and the Scandinavians even had a fairer system.
ROMANS WITH THEIR JEWS WENT TO FRANCE AND THEN TO ENGLAND.
Not the same though, as the English literally descend from the Anglo Saxons and their name derives from the Angles.
Indians by contrast largely don't descend from the Persian Indo-Aryans and aren't even functionally the same race as them.
Why are the english so obsessed with the Anglo Saxons? They were just one of many peoples who came to Britain. And they didn't seem to be that impressive of a people...
Everything you said, in reverses sequence and reverse in meaning.
The extremely impressive people of England and Britain raised questions of special lineage and genetic causality. There's lots of groups to cover that were involved and a sense of a combination of groups became more and more obvious. It couldn't be attributed to the Normans, who are not English, and couldn't be the Gael and Brythonic nations for the same reason. Less vague than English and not burdened by over precision and commonly known and tracible with the Anglo-Saxon chronicles, "Anglo-Saxon" became the preferred term.
Now the British obsession is for quite similar reasons, but, expands the definition to include groups like the Scots, with others using it almost in place for Anglo-Celtic or "British" in the same way "England" commonly refers to Britain.
A funny irony of history is that the Anglo-Saxon supremacy concept was heavily a Scottish conceptualisation, popularised by Thomas Carlyle who additionally inspired the Nazis, sometimes being called the "first Nazi".
He was an interesting guy who disliked Blacks, Jews and Christianity.
This is a bigger brained post than you maybe realise.
The fact this shit was organised before phones is actually incredible. People would attempt to write it off as fluke. The importance of chains of communication and detailed maps is staggering. The skill of crews and soldiers, immense.
The information transport industry and organisation makes you wonder how much of people's lives was within sight or ear shot.
The empire Charlemagne build got split between his 3 grandsons: "west", "middle" and "east".
It's not like they were unrelated and the western kingdom sprung up out of nowhere.
The middle kingdom got squeezed by both sides so it no longer exists.
The western kingdom became "France" and the eastern kingdom became "Germany". - this is very basic historical knowledge anyone with European heritage should know.
We were one of the richest areas of the HRE.
There were even plans of moving the HRE capitol to The Hague.
Being part of the HRE was actually pretty sweet because you got a lot of autonomy but were still protected from foreign invaders.
It was small government in action.
Americans want big strong governments who tell them what to do and how to think, but we actually prefer small government.
it was a federation
it had a king
it had a supreme court and various other institutions
Germany existed
end of story