Why are leftists against tariffs? Don't they want to bring jobs back to America?

I'm a conservative person, and I think the tariffs are full of shit.
Firstly you should ask yourself why the manufacturing is not in your country and who outsourced it!
Then understand that wages of $25+ simply cannot allow you to be competitive on the world trade scene.
Oh, and if you, like most of the MAGA morons don't know who pays the tariffs, well, you're not even worth my time.

Who is gonna work those factory jobs? Are right wingers that out of touch? you deported all the illegals and zoomers outright refuse to work manual labor jobs

you need a base of manufacturing to then have people invest on because tariffs
you just don't have that consistently
dunno what the retard here says

Veritasium is okay. You're thinking of kurgezt or whatever.

All the David Graeber reading leftoids became classical economists overnight

Leftists are always reactive, never proactive

Tariffs are fine.
Tariffs when you don’t have the infrastructure to build the shit you’re putting tariffs on is dumb.

Why are leftists against tariffs?

Most of the EU and Canada had tariffs tho
This is when they begin to explain that its complicated

No, I'm thinking of the middle eastern looking faggot that does veritasium and tried to blame lead for niggers being stupid when rural white farm boys around just as much gas aren't retarded apes and the urban drop in IQ was due to the great migration moving the descendants of sharecroppers to northern cities. The exact reason Detroit went from a decent place in the early 20th century to a sithole. Had nothing to do with leaded gas and iron isn't any better to use.

You're a fucking retard if you think a 100% tariff on every item is in any way a good economic policy
We don't have slaves working for pennis in the US, we can't employ a factory of 100 Americans just to make worthless garbage shit like packing peanuts and plastic zip ties, and no American wants to do that shit in the first place, especially not for minimum wage

Leftists arent against anything.
They will switch it up whenever they need to.

tariffs are taxes on poor people

Either way, trumps tariffs is pure market speculation

Why are leftists against tariffs?

They are dumb and don't understand how real world economics works in globalist world.
They only care about what personally affects them, and then they go hysterical over it.

Generally, leftists are single extrapolation thinkers. They can't abstract anything more than a single cause and effect. This is why all their "solutions" are ham-fisted and simple.

People are poor. We should give them money.

Rich people have a lot of money. We should take money from them and give it to poor people.

Slavery is bad, and white people did it, therefore white people are evil.

A doctor told me eating meat is bad, therefore, it must be bad.

If I say I am a woman, I become one.

It goes on and on.

what is

robots

factory automation.

As I said , leftists are just dumb and have no clue how modern economy works.

duckduckgo.com/?q=factory automation&t=brave&iar=images

Go sniff some lead for a few years and let your children do it.

All the shill messaging follows the same format

Tariffs don't work, those jobs are NEVER coming back

We're starting here today I guess
Then comes

Okay, tariffs work but no one wants THOSE jobs

Okay, people do want those jobs but American goods SUCK

You don't DESERVE those jobs

They also present a false narrative where China was an up and coming scrappy newcomer and outcompeted USA for manufacturing.
They will try to use the "the world was rubble after WW2" bullshit to distract from the facts that USA went into WW2 on top and came out ahead after due to manufacturing. We literally invented the assembly line and produced enough to save Russia from collapse, to supply Europe allies, and to for USA to fight two wars on multiple fronts.
USA helped rebuild Europe buy giving it lopsided trade deals and massive economic aid and military protection.
USA removed trade protections and let China into the WTO and gave preferred nation status along with hundreds of millions in direct financial aid. We removed our trade protections and paid them because we wanted them to be friendly with us instead of Russia.

Notice how the antagonistic nafo posters try to pull America into a direct war with Russia while advocating against industrializing. Manufacturing is what wins wars and nafo troops are pushing chink messaging.

Go lay down in traffic chang, tariffs work

You got my reply though, so see your manager for an extra ration of boiled dog to celebrate

Factories have no problem finding workers

Okay, tariffs work but no one wants THOSE jobs

Because tariffs discourage globalization, and in turn harm forced diversity, which is the left's greatest sacred cow.

Conservative and Liberal are relative terms depending on the country . In America tariffs are conservative since it was how the government raised money from the start of the nation

Okay, tariffs work but no one wants those jobs

Like clockwork

bulgaria

Who on earth gives a fuck about your opinion on this matter

Libtard

This anon is actually onto something. ))
Have a you.

Everyone's against slavery till their iPhone costs 5K.

because you don't agree with niggers being retarded apes due to lead, that means you think lead is good!

You're as dumb as the veritasium faggot and his viewers. What superior anti-knocking agent do you propose to get more than minimal horsepower? Ethanol lowers HP and is only viable now because of better manufacturing techniques and design a century later. Switching to burning iron instead isn't any better either, you idiot. Lead exposure in total, including stupid kids eating paint chips was estimated to be less than a standard deviation effect, so why are the jigaboos still an entire standard deviation behind in intellect as an average? It's not the pipes either because that only becomes a problem when your local government run by porch monkeys switches to an acidic water source that leaches the sediment out of the pipes and then the lead.

And that slop is meant to achieve ... what?

Ooohhh you're a shill

tariffs work because I said so

Who pays the tariffs shmuck?
Will I buy a US made shoes for $500 or the exact same elsewhere made for $50?

If that's what being a republican is, you're more pathetic than the democrats

Shut the fuck up you nigger loving kike faggot. Your smoldering crater shithole is ground zero for the type of sodomite globalist mindvirus that has plagued the entirety of western civilization. The only thing you and every son of a bitch posting here under the US flag knows how to do, is kneel to blacks and worship transsexuals, fucking faggot. I can smell the cock on your breath from here. You believe that men can give birth. Anyone competent at your workplace has been replaced by a DEI hire. Go kneel to George Floyd and set yourself on fire for Palestine

This guy is an idiot by the way

Nice bot post, slant.

The business pays the tariff anon
If they can’t compete then they are forced to eat the cost

why would jobs come back to america due to tariffs?

Who pays the tariffs shmuck?

Temu has been discounting products more than the tariffs and parcel costs

The foreign companies have been eating most of them with slight price increases on some products

More than worth it
Buy American goods

500000 shoes!!!

Baseless fear mongering that never pans out. I'm still waiting for the black Monday market crash I was promised

Tariffs work and you're a retarded chink

Oh no the bing bing wahoo machine cost too much

tariffs are stupid

but only for the USA

everyone elses tariffs are smart

especially china

Because orange man is for tariffs. I get that it was almost 20 years ago at this point, but Obama ran on protectionist trade and promising all of the stuff Trump is currently doing and the political left loved it.

I don't remember him singling out niggers being affected by lead the most or anything like that.

MIT did a study and calculated that producing phone domestic would increase costs about 16 percent.
This was with American workers making 25 an hour
Eat shit chang

Crazy how much they've fought the "Democrats were the pro-slavery party of the South" when they were busy rewriting our Civil War narrative, but the instant their slave-labor Chinese baubles get priced out of our market...

nobody needs to worry about the price of the iphone until the tax code is corrected to stop network providers from giving away $5000 sign up packages

He spends several minutes blaming lower urban IQ, i.e., niggers, on lead. Ignoring that rural farmers around just as much contained burning fuel fumes did not have the same effect. What did occur during the same time period is a mass migration of coons to urban areas which entirely explains the lowered urban IQ and unaffected rural IQ in the north.

Literally anything this guy recommends should lead you to do the opposite of what he's saying. He has never been right about anything, he just distorts the truth. People like him SHOULD be killed.

While that’s true, it also means they won’t make a new one every year

impossible to analyse. the costs are completely made up. just look at fiji water; BOTTLED at the source as far away from the US as possible and its on the shelf for 20 cents more than purified domestic shitwater.

Tariffs are taxes. Leftists love taxes. Don't they want tax revenue for muh programs?

Foreign import more expensive

Domestic goods purchased instead

Increased demand for USA goods

Factories have to hire and expand to meet demand

Foreign companies build factory in USA to dodge tariffs and sell again

See washing machine tariffs from trumps first term

Trump put tariffs on washing machines that scaled upwards the more that were imported.
Samsung moved production to USA and was making washing machines here in about a year. 2000 Americans have good jobs now and Samsung is expanding production here as well.

What's wrong with that assertion dipshit
Obviously putting a 200% tax on importing an item will reduce the amount of that item sold
How do you replace that (necessary) item in the marketplace? Domestic manufacturing that we don't fucking have, and are taking 0 steps to encourage other than "alright everybody make sure you go get a worse job with worse pay!"
Tariffs """""""""""work""""""""""" in that we can't buy shit from China anymore
They don't """""""""""work""""""""""" by improving anybody lives in any way whatsoever

Targeted tariffs against certain industries and items would work but blanket tariffs do nothing but make america a worse place to live in
Illiterate MIGA dicksucker

Completely made up

Like all of the anti tariff fear mongering

Tariffs work chang

Firstly you should ask yourself why the manufacturing is not in your country

And the answer is that labour is cheaper abroad. And the solution is to artificially inflate the prices of the products of that cheap labour. I.e., by implementing tariffs.

See washing machine tariffs from trumps first term

wow, you're telling me that targeted tariffs against products that we already have a competitive manufacturing sector for work? Quick, put a blanket tariff against every country in the world for every product in existence! Surely that will behave identically.

Okay tariffs work but no one wants THOSE jobs!

Like clockwork

We still make stuff here and the jobs do come back.
Our industry will grow to meet the demand.

Tariffs work

Factories are good jobs and have no trouble finding people.

Go lay down in traffic chang

tariffs are "regressive" because poor people cant evade them. they are also not localized and dont provide an imaginary public health benefit. so leftists dont like tarriffs because they hard to explain to their retarded impoverised base

A good litmus test is this: if I was completely isolated from media/journalists, would this affect me? Would I even notice? I don't consoom and I haven't noticed a thing. Half the complaints I've been seeing have been concerning domestic goods, which is retarded, so there's definitely a lot of bullshit being spread. Have any new tariffs even gone into effect yet? Covid was similar, I wouldn't know the difference from ordinary flu season if it wasn't for all the hysteria.

Yes.

They do work.
They already are, the companies are just largely eating the costs themselves.

Leftists are the retarded goyim tool of the deep jew money pockets. Trump is using the only card available against the global banks. The man made his fortune in the only money machine available to goyim, the casino.

lawful neutral? idk an idc, fuck the satanic global banking pedo cannibal cabal

fuck you, rothschild

Same data farming post as yesterday but I'll answer it again, First leftists oppose anything pushed by the "Right" simply because of political bias so it's a non point.

Here is the real issue, this isn't about onshoring to MAGA or anything good for mainstreet, it's to further entrench monopolies and you can see special interests already lined up with this admin to profit for example Don Jr as an advisory member to SKYDIO a US drone maker that will replace DJI and lobbied for the tariffs. Corporations can afford the tariffs, they have lobbyists to carve out exemptions and they also have loopholes. Small business can't do this and they will be massacred.
This is all about Building Back Better with Big Monopolies shaping our new economy.

Companies have been eating the costs so far

Those "poor people" used to have good jobs in factories.

USA was it's most prosperous when we were a manufacturing economy

Leftists love internationalism. Tarrifs are anti (((internationalism)))

why were they silent about bidens tarriffs, obamas tarrifs, or clintons tariffs?

they're content with maintaining the status quo of the poors having no other options than flipping burgers and other service industry slavery jobs

It's not a matter of whether tariffs are good or bad, its the execution. There's a difference between placing strategic tariffs on certain goods/countries while creating other positive incentives for companies to reshore. What we got was "lets suddenly put massive tariffs on the whole planet, that we may or may not remove at some point", mixed with goals that are totally contrary to each other. What company would make a massive investment to reshore in that situation?

It's true that some liberals will hate whatever Trump does, but people are against the tariffs because the plan behind them is fucking retarded.

there are no necessary goods that are not produced in the US. we may need to increase production and we will need to pay more but we will not go without anything we need.
and if we free the states of federal shackles we can start our own macro economy with our own comparative advantages and some prices might end up going down. we waste a ridiculous amount of resources shipping shit around the world so jews can make money on the financing

democrats are just openly gay neocons now

You have an iq of 60 and your skin is black as coal.

because trump tarrifs end with

why are we still paying income taxes?

America becomes a superpower because of ingenuity, technology, and military prowess

Lets just cave like bitches to China who keeps stealing our future

dont listen to traitors.

muh video games consoles

muh Amazon chink plastic

Buy on eBay. you are paying US small companies and individuals and enriching your country
Ship through UPS and lets get rid of the communist chinese Amazon company driving down your street everyday selling your neighbor shit supplies they should be giving to their own people.
HONESTLY.

poor people can't evade them

what tariffs do you have to pay when you buy american?

factories are good jobs

you have never worked in a factory.

Tarrifs are anti (((internationalism)))

Tariffs aren't a comprehensive tool, it's just a tool.
WIth out slashing regulations or Gov subsidies/Contracts to special interests tariffs can hurt just as much as it helps.
The way these tariffs are currently setup, with Big Corporations getting exemptions, this is just simply creating and further entrenching monopolies in the US. The whole Idea that this is anti globalist or something the Jews hate is ridiculous, The tariff Czar Ludnick is a Jew.

Leftists hate America, and if you haven't realised this by now, you're retarded

Bring back industry helps small business.
Every factory depends on a large local supply chain and supporting industry like machine shops, electricians, and transport. These are largely small to medium local and regional companies.
Not to mention the local shops and restaurants that pop up as well.

Entire small towns revolved around supporting manufacturing

Industry is great for small businesses

You're a fag

My governor just enacted rent control after importing 100k people to my city and building them all houses

Genuinely kill yourself

You refuse to see his point. Its not an issue of tariff good or tariff bad. It would make sense to place a targeted, delay tariff with other incentives to get a company to reshore without disrupting logistics. What this policy doing is all stick all the time, with no certainty that the tariffs. What company would commit to building a factory in the US when the tariffs may be gone by the time the construction is completed. It doesn't make any sense.

Bring back industry helps small business.

The same way Silicon Valley helps California?
There's some truth to what you are saying because nothing is absolute, however, what you end up with is a complete 2 tiered society.

I'm not for or against tariffs, but once you see how this is being rolled out, you'll see this is about creating a centralized and controlled economy much like the Chinese. You probably disagree with me now because we have Trump, but if D's take over in a few years you will fully be on board with me and actually take my arguments and present them as these monopolies become completely apparent to us.

I like how they denied that taxing the rich and corporations would go back to the consumers for years, but the moment Trump did it, they became free capitalism libertarian gurus that agree that taxing corpos would go back to the consumer.

Okay, tariffs work but no one wants THOSE jobs!

Like clockwork lol

I work in a woodworking shop

Those are estimated wages and good for the area.

Tariffs work
The jobs do come back
Americans work them for good wages

Adam Conover's estradiol numbers are the exact opposite of that chart.

targeted, delay tariff w

This is just kick the can bullshit

Tariffs only work if you actually use them

You're both retarded chinks

Samsung moved and was producing washing machines in about a year

You're a retarded fag

America was it's most prosperous when we were a manufacturing economy

Tariffs work chang
If they didn't you wouldn't be here shilling

The same way Silicon Valley helps California?

Actually in a much more potent and far reaching way.

See my post where I explained about factories and supply chains.

This isn't all binary either, tariff on, tariff off, wax on, wax off.

Big Corporations are getting exemptions, they have work around mechanisms to avoid the bulk of the tariffs. The people who don't are small business. This disproportionately impacts mainstreet, small business. What I've just said are facts, so sure we'll onshore to some degree, but guess who will lead the charge? Globohomo Incorporated.
People are gullible enough to think Government is here to help them lol.

America was it's most prosperous when we were a manufacturing economy

We were prosperous when we had no regulatory capture, a Federal Reserve that inflates assets at the expense of the dollar, no bailout mechanisms, less taxes.

TARIFFS ALONE CANNOT FIX THIS, to think it can is a trap. Tariffs are NOT a plan, it's a TOOL.

The example you are referencing literally was what I was talking about. Explain to me why there should be a tariff, for example, on coffee when the vast majority of the country can't grow it at scale.

Big Corporations are getting exemptions

Such as?

Again your retarded talking points ignores how things actually work

Ive already debunked this, you're just rewording your post

Manufacturing is good for small businesses and I've explained why. You're just ignoring that.

You're just trying to fearmonger chang

Corporations bad!

Retard chink, go lay in traffic

Unrelated bullshit

Those jobs only left when we removed trade protections.
Restoring protections is how they come back.

every penny collected by tariffs takes a dime pockets of globalist jews. they cant profit from trade thats not happening and they cant leech of debt thats not growing.

tariffs work because.... THEY JUST DO OK?!??! ignore the us economy being on the brink of recession and zion don having to make exceptions everywhere to save american companies that rellied on slave labor from going bankrupt!

Why are trumpturds so pathetic?

Its stupid the way hes doing it. Just because trump/maga/right wingers do something it doesnt automatically make it unconditionally perfect.

Remember that trump is in control of all 3 branches of government and he has the house and senate. He literally doesnt give a shit about stupid jewish crap like laws, SCOTUS, the constitution and other useless crap like that and can ignore it. He can also say whatever he wants and he will have unconditional worship.

He couldve had congress do a massive infastructure spending bill first focusing on refurbishing current manufacturing plants and building new ones. He couldve done tax breaks, subsidies, rebates, and other federally funded investments into companies that rebuild the manufacturing base and plants to source the raw materials in the US.

This could also include fixing and creating new internal supply lines to distribute goods and materials between states.

Aftrer that THEN he couldve done targeted and/or blanket tariffs, sanctions, trade embargos and blockades on other nations. He couldve started with targeted tariffs right after and then ramped it up the economic war.

It literally doesnt matter how much it costs since turning worthless fiat currency into real tangible assets and goods is more important. Either way you are playing with the rules set out by the Federal Reserve funny money and not the rules with currency staked into real assets.

Just doing massive tariffs out of the door and thinking everything is magically going to come back and spring out is so stupid.

REMEMBER TRUMP CAN SINGLE HANDEDLY RESTORE MANUFACTURING TO THE US. HE EITHER DOESNT GIVE A FUCK OR IS HALF ASSING IT BECAUSE LOL?

There were tariffs on it before and the new tariffs don't effect existing trade deals.

Coffee is an outlier agriculture product and still tariffed

For manufacturing goods, we can make literally everything domestic

Tariffs are retarded because it's a shitty solution to the wealth inequality caused by capitalism. We're not poor because we don't have enough Nike shoe sweatshops in America. We're still the richest country in the world without them (at least for now until Orange Nigger ruins it), the money just got funneled upwards by the natural mechanisms of private ownership of capital without wealth redistribution from the state or strong unions to counteract it. (the things that actually provided the prosperity tarifftards are trying to recreate without them)

You're poor because the economy is set up to extract wealth upwards and 50 years of neoliberalism supercharged that. Republicans (and Democrats really) are never going to fix this because they see nothing wrong with that and think it's actually a good thing. Tariffs aren't going to fix it, even if the factories did come back (which they wont without central planning to build them) there's absolutely no reason why being on America's magic dirt will make them provide well paying jobs, they'll just pay you shit.

We've been through this before with Trump's first term.

reuters.com/business/foxconn-sharply-scales-back-wisconsin-investment-2021-04-20/

Kick the can bullshit

Trade protections only work when you use them.
Production only moves when there are tariffs.

its regressive because everyone pays more, it doesnt really matter where the money goes but usually leftists use school funding or sugar/smoke is bad to explain increasing regressive taxes.
welfare niggers dont care about manufacturing jobs so tariffs are nothing but bad news to them

Inequality

That wealth inequality is directly from outsourcing retard.
Your other sacred cow of immigration is also the main cause

Wrong!
Ultimately the end consumer is the one paying for the imported goods production, shipping, import duties (you put tariffs here) and profit for everyone in the supply chain.

Again no viable arguments, just plain insults and "it will happen, because I said so" claims
You sure are proving what we all already know about American intelligence there champ

Because it was made by Trump. If tariffs were made by Biden, they would support it.

Literally no. They want America to be more like Europe. Irrelevant without any births or innovation just fading into obscurity while saying muh heritage and muh healthcare.

Don't say I didn't warn you.
The only reason you guys object to what I am saying is purely from political bias and the belief that Tariffs alone will return prosperity.

When you look at the bigger picture and if we had a Democrat in the WH, with the way USTR exemptions are handled then you'd completely re-arrange your train of thought. All you have to do is look at Trump's inner circle filled with special interests.
You guys are so fucking gullible.

Except the sellers have been eating the costs so far

America was it's most prosperous when we were a manufacturing economy

Its not kicking the can down the road if you get the money appropriate first and then start the economic warfare immediately and scale it with the progress of the restoration of manufacturing in the US.

None of your claims have come to pass.

However production has already started moving back.

Temu sellers are discounting more than the new costs, prices are lower now. Ports are not empty. Black Monday didn't happen.

You've been wrong at every turn chang.

Tariffs work and are good.

You need to see your supervisor for new talking points

I don’t give a fuck, I made a lot of money shorting QQQ and VOO thanks to Zion Don’s 8D chess move.

The jobs that will come back will be the jobs that the Chinese do as slave labour. Its why this shit will never happen, you can get away with blow torching people into their houses and pushing bread through the door in China, in the US, people that are even sleightly oppressed will take to the streets and make martyrs of niggers.

basically, the jobs arent coming back unless you replicate China and take away peoples rights, pay them nothing, and treat them like serfs. America is best because it distinctly ISNT China and people, even at their worst, have a better quality of life than in China. Im not even leftist and I found this shit retarded. USE Chinas cheap labour to make America better, dont try and actually BE China for fuck sake.

Bernie Sanders literally ran for president and promised tariffs in order to bring back US manufacturing jobs. You will notice that Bernie Sanders is now EXTREMELY QUIET, and all of his former supporters, who got EXTREMELY KEKED by the DNC are suddenly is support of free trade, just because they don't like Trump's attitude.

The same "Bernie Bros" also wanted European food safety standards, which RFK Jr is bringing about, and the Bernie Bros suddenly love glyphosate and food dyes.

You are deflecting from the fact that coffee is being tariffed at a significantly higher rate that it was before, for no gain. Explain what the benefit of taxing a commodity that the average person uses daily is? Without just insisting "Manufacturing good!"

or maybe its a matter of perspective and we're not poor at all? poors live like millionaires from 100 years ago.

You're trying to corral private capital's behavior without solving the central problem of private capital existing to enrich itself.

private capital keeps outsourcing and importing brown people to make themselves richer

Instead of just seizing their fucking capital to serve the public good I'm going to obsess about they brown people CAPITAL is hiring

and if we had a Democrat in the WH,

Trump is a 90s Democrat

Trump is what Bernie branded himself as for decades before selling out in 2015

The funniest part about point 2 is leftists seem to think billionaires just leave all of their money in a big vault like fucking Scrooge McDuck. It reminds me of the Richie Rich movie where the bad guy forces the parents to open their vault so he can rob it, only to break down sobbing when it's filled with pictures, baby shoes, and other assorted monetarily worthless memorabilia. And then the dad is lecturing him wondering why he thought they'd leave piles of money laying around in a zero interest vault, when it's all in property, businesses, and bank accounts with the tone of voice that implies he thought the bad guy was was retarded.

Leftists dont understand economics. Leftists hate tarrifs because theyre contrarian. Whatever trump/repubican wants, they want the opposite. It literally doesnt matter the issue. As an example, you had shitlibs chugging bottles of canola oil simply because rfk jr wanted to switch to tallow

they might not care if those jobs went to their beloved illegals. but hardworking whites and legal latinx acquiring those jobs is a literal holocaust that must be stopped asap.

iphones cost nothing if you don’t buy one

Why you ask?
Simple, leftists are ignorant fools.

People don't realize how these exemptions work, The USTR is HIDDEN from public disclosure.

1:Filing an exclusion is complex and technical, involving legal teams, detailed economic harm analyses, and supply chain justifications.

2: Large corporations like Apple, Tesla, Boeing, Intel, Caterpillar have entire departments or hired lobbyists that navigate and push through these petitions.

While the product categories are public, the names of the companies who requested or benefited are not.

That makes it easy for carve-outs to occur without public backlash.

People have no idea how rigged the game is and rely on simple Yes or No concepts where Tariffs are applied equally to everyone.

fuck off mexikike. no more smuggling chinese steal for you

Wealth inequality is caused by globalism

It's literally kicking the can

Tariffs only work if they are used, and business only move production when it's necessary

The government doesn't build factories, private business does. And those greedy assholes are actually very good at doing things quickly but only out of necessity.

We still have a manufacturing base, much of the returning work will be met by those factories hiring more and expanding existing facilities.

Business only bow to market forces, and tariffs are the way to weld them to make businesses do what we want

They only left when trade protections were removed and only move back when they are restored.

Trump is a jewy version of Pat Buchanan

Coffee is nearly impossible to grow on the mainland US and production is mostly limited to Hawaii, which has very limited agricultural land and relies on slow and expensive transportations costs, so tariffs on things such as that makes no sense.

Leftists love to post idiotic AI made up pictures.
Now, REALITY.
Biden's white house was full of kikes, pic related.

Name 3 jews in Trump's admin except finance minister (who really should be a jew).

No gain

Increased revenue without increasing retail prices is a solid gain

The most punchable face that ever existed

leftists

you're falling for the left-right psyop. tariffs aren't political they're just a tool.

It's funny how you understand private capital is the problem but absolute refuse to challenge the fundamental idea of private ownership of capital.

You even think it's impossible for the government to build a factory. Absolutely mindcucked.

New Balance already makes a decent amount of their shoes in America, they generally cost around 75$-130$.
So no, you aren't going to pay 500$ for shoes.

At this point, nobody cares about monopolies or how rigged the game is, they just want jobs.

so apple moving to india can only be seen as a failure of their tariff dept?
has anyone been fired?

If you can’t compete with local products pricing anon, you have to eat the cost
But admittedly, there has to be a domestic product to compete

If tariffs are so good then why does he walk them back? Why won't just Trump set the tariffs to 1,000,000,000,000,000% and achieve autarky in the US, turning every citizen into a billionaire?

Big Corporations are getting exemptions

Big Corporations WERE getting exemptions during Biden .
Trump created tarriffs (which is a way to protect american companies from cheap chinese labor) in his first term.
It isn't really binary, and it is a tool, correct.
But BIDEN's gov created shit ton of exceptions for chinese companies btw.
For instance , Biden's gov created ton of exceptions for chinse steel.

the government doesnt even build factories in china.

Private industry moves goods and services faster than any government can.

Tariffs force those assholes put their ways to work that helps the country.

The entire idea behind capitalism and private equity is to have money circulating throughout the economy. Domestic production circulates the money through all levels of the economy.
Outsourcing stops the money circulating and is why the elite are sitting on all of the money and property.

Baizuo huh?
We definitely have a lot of that here

Tbf I blame the retardation of pretty much all boomers on lead levels (not being able to figure out how to program a VCR, or use a smart phone that has one button on it and tells you what to do every step of the way, etc)

They know (like Musk) that americans are too retarded and lazy to train.

Ok, hillbilly, let's see how this will age. Maybe if you keep repeating the same lie it will magically materialize.

Dude, you are fucking delusional if you think that retailers won't increase prices when their import costs increase. Also, the money comes from somewhere. Even if retail prices don't increase, taking those taxes could reduce long term growth, which reduces future tax income.

No but they still own them
The goal of the left is to become like China, a fascist regime, in the truest sense

if tariffs are so bad why dont europe and china drop their tariffs? is there some benefit you dishonest faggots refuse to acknowledge?

you're not going to pay $500 for shoes

you're just gonna pay $200 for ugly shoes

Fuck you, bro. I deserve child-labor shoes at a reasonable $199 price point. Paying $200 for shoes made by an adult in America is beneath me as an America. I want $199 Nikes made by the littlest gook hands.

Damn my nigga Adam lookin ROUGH

You're deflecting into a completely different topic because tariffs work.

You commies can't seize the means of production if they are overseas.

Even old school commies knew manufacturing is the most important thing for a government to fight for

Manufacturing generates wealth, even commies know this

manufacturing is not in your country and who outsourced it

globalism, jews and their golems (democrats, republicans)

anything else?

His show would actually be good if he didn’t do the “Well ackshually, no!” thing delivered in a smug scolding liberal tone.

They're very stupid. They're all that woman from the video where they get five people to guess each others IQs, and she thought she had the highest IQ, but turned out to be the dumbest, and the guy she claimed was dumb (because soldier) was the smartest. It's all ego with them. They can't accept being wrong, because it shatters the world view of themselves they built up. This leads to never-ending doubling down. It's no wonder they're all hopped up on meds, have mental illnesses and can only exist in severely curated bubbles.

When you've built an entire career out of complaining about a problem, the last thing you want is for someone to come along and actually fix the problem.

What non-retaliatory tariffs were in place prior to this?

Tariffs have been in effect
Prices are fine
Ports are not empty
Baseless fearmongering
Every single country uses tariffs

I'll keep waiting, you keep making claims that don't come to pass

Tariffs work

are tariffs bad or not? if theyre bad you should drop yours. otherwise your position is no better than trumps.

Completely false statement!
You put tariffs if you already have the production means and a foreign nation is dumping the prices and ruining the livelihood of the local producers. THEN you put the tariffs to protect your country.

You don't put tariffs when you're just a retarded consumer who produces and exports only degenerate behavior.

It's already backfiring, but Trump and his loyal supporters here have egos the size of the sun and will not back down, completely fucking up not only the US, but the whole world (because we're kinda intertwined at this age).

Personally, I think little by little, Trump's administration will fold like paper, because even if tariffs did something right, manufacturing will not materialize overnight. This takes DECADES

They're against anything that helps the White, American working class

I have to say this to every single person on this board. It's not a matter of tariff good or tariff bad. It's the specific industries they want to protect. For the EU, their tariffs on US goods have always been minimal (around 2%) and before the Trump tariff announcement, they offered a zero for zero agreement.

For developing countries, the play book has always been to use tariffs to grow domestic industry so they don't get immediately crushed by foreign competition that has developed logistics and expertise. China has progressively reducing their tariffs for the past 20 years because they are getting on their own footing.

The most punchable face that ever existed

I believe he was banking on that

are tariffs bad or not?

To my understanding tariffs are generally bad, and in this case they're terrible. Developed nations don't want to waste their manpower doing base manufacturing, we make way more money doing high tech manufacturing and service jobs.

if theyre bad you should drop yours

Which ones? Provide a list of tariffs that were in effect prior to Trump levying tariffs first

You put tariffs if you already have the production means

We do though
You fags couldn't kill all of industry, so we still have a base to build off of

And if it's new production, it can be done. Samsung was cranking out washing machines in about a year, and only did so due to tariffs.

Tariffs come first, otherwise production does not move

But you know this chang

if tariffs are bad it doesnt matter why they started. they should be dropped.
unless you are suggesting that your tariffs have some benefit that would be foolish to sacrifice without US concessions?

To my understanding tariffs are generally bad

You're wrong

Eu tariffs everything as well

they are bought by the Chinese and their slave labor

it also makes their slave labor economically unviable

The Left

Shitlibs hate tariffs because they are Neolibtards: Globohomoists.
Tankies love tariffs because it protects domestic workers and industry.
Trotskyists (Antifa jews) hate tariffs because they are internationalists and seek the same shit Neolibtards but with jews controlling the anarchy/permanent revolution.

It's not baseless fear mongering, its a statement of fact that taxes are being added on a product that can't be domestically produced. As far as prices go, we will see over the following months and years. Again, even if retails prices don't increase, you are still sucking money out of an industry for no real purpose.

Developed nations don't want to waste their manpower doing manufacturing

Developed nation wasted money importing jamal lmao

You don't quit cold turkey

Notice how the antagonistic nafo posters try to pull America into a direct war with Russia while advocating against industrializing

This.
It's in Europe too.
They push war with Russia, CO2 net zero and green shit at the same time.
What the fuck is their plan? Are they just retarded?

Leaded gas came out in the 1920s. It was affecting things before boomers were born. It was also phased out completely by the early 90s although it was mostly gone by the 70s. The point is that while it had an effect, it is not all that tangible. I'm almost 40 and I've never seen an engine that actually used leaded gas in car someone owned that wasn't collectible

Why are leftists against tariffs?

Because for most parts tariffs are effectively sales tax for all imported goods and those will also mess up supply chains for all domestic products that contain imported parts or materials.

Looks like coffee producing nations have some negotiation leverage.
However, most importantly
New tariffs don't effect existing trade deals, we already have free trade agreements with coffee producing nations like Columbia

So coffee is fine

Tariffs work and you're just fear mongering
As for literally everything else, buy American goods

Making products from country X cost a lot more can make producing the product in the US viable as the costs would be around the same, then people there would rather buy local products,
because of the money flow this is much better for the economy, also transporting is usually a big part of enviromental pollution, so if you minimize that, that's good too.

It's clear they are shilling on behalf of China, who prospers if NATO and Russia go to all out war

Is this the "adam ruins everything" guy?

Anyway the answer is that liberalism is just "oppose whatever Trump is currently doing". A lot of it is also because the majority of liberals are now boomers or women with fake email jobs, whose perception of the world is basically "fuck everyone who isn't me" but they think they're doing nothing wrong, just that everyone else is "dumb" for not getting an office job and then get shocked when it's time for mandatory retirement of employees over the age of 70.

I don't listen to leftist homos that wear denim jackets. What a try hard softy.

Also if NATO shifts to antagonize china and buff russia, chink designs on siberia fall through.

I can't find a single source stating that the tariffs don't supercede the previous trade agreements made with these countries, and if that were true, then the Trump tariffs against most countries would be ineffective anyway.

What nobody wants to admit is that America is generations beyond fixing this issue organically. Decades of offshoring jobs along with instilling dollar worship as a virtue among the native population has destroyed any semblance of restoring national interest. It would require an overnight global reversal of economic policy and shift of individual values to put America in a place where it could become self-sustaining, and wars would break out before that happens.

Nobody wanted to stand up to the richfag job creators doing the offshoring because they lied to the public about changing to a 'service economy' which was a bold faced lie. Now on top of not making anything we've got a huge segment of the population that works do nothing make-work jobs as middle managers and pencil pushers.

My take: all the kikes, journos, leftists, and (((experts))) are seething about them. Hence, I fully support tariffs.

Leaded gas came out in the 1920s. It was affecting things before boomers were born.

Yeah just barely though, since it primarily fucks you up when you're an infant. So coming out in the twenties it wouldn't have been significant until the 30s and pretty much phased out by the late 70s, ie the infant days of very late silent generation through to the end of the boomers.

To clarify, I don't think it can be blamed on the mental issues niggers have either, since their problems are so much more significant than non-niggers of similar age. But it definitely didn't help and likely led to a lot of the behavioral and cognitive issues in non-nigger populations of the time.

Who is gonna work those factory jobs?

Congrats for winning the most retarded post of the minute.

I'm a conservative person

Translation

How do you do, fellow conservatives

tariffs are full of shit.

Weird b/c most of the World has tariffs against the US, yet no one cared until the orange man tariffed them back.

I was mistaken there, it was usmca compliant goods that were not affected

Columbia was hit with the baseline 10 percent tariff increase, which hasn't caused any noticeable change in coffee prices

Tariffs can be part of bringing jobs back. But by themselves will only serve to find the ceiling of what people are willing to pay for those products when the tariffs are eventually dropped or reduced.
Unless the government is going to pay for factories to be built and offer some more financial incentives and support to make the jobs high wage with good benefits ain’t no American gonna build a factory or go work in one.

increase prices

loss of sales

then what?

I still couldn't care less. It doesn't affect me in any way.
I'm just stating my opinion on why it is the wrong move.

And I seem to be right, because Trump is already folding on some goods. And almost no deals coming in. Even US's cuck slave nations like the Japanese are giving US the finger.

The problem is not the tariffs itself. It's the attitude, it's the amount of tariffs. It's also the lack of diplomacy and negotiation strength of the US.

Countries that submitted to Trump's demands got nothing in return. So why would anyone else submit.

It's a sort of trade terrorism and nothing more.
And weren't exactly the Americans who said they would not negotiate with terrorists. Well maybe they should listen to their own policies before extorting literally the whole world.

Trump is already folding on some goods.

Gotta pull Ol' Reliable again

And almost no deals coming in.

The MSM hasn't told me of new trade deals, therefore there are none.

NPC much?

It's the attitude

Awwwe... so sorey that orange man hurt your fee fees

It's a sort of trade terrorism and nothing more.

Got it, so the world has been committing trade terrorism against the USA. Payback is a bitch.

Roach flag

No one cares

Why are leftists against tariffs?

Because they prefer to call it taxes

Getting robbed with taxes is great! But tariffs are bad!

I heard every fucking hates him in Hollywood after how he handled the writer's strike.

Nothing good. People will still likely pay. Overall growth diminished.

Tech sector basedcucks fear the Industrial sector giga chads overtaking their dominance in the American economy.

So many lunatics are walking free these days. Where are the institutions you belong in?

Really?

They hated because he spoke the truth.

Because the ccpenis pays them to be.

Because they aren't 'bringing jobs back', they're a fucking idiotic thing, especially done as blanket tariffs. Trump and his morons believe a 'trade deficit' is a tariff for some unknown reason, which is why he posted all those fake numbers.

Trump's first term tariffs on washing machines failed to bring back production to the US for example and resulted in higher prices for consumers. Even in instances where a steel tariff brings some reshoring of manufacturing jobs you don't see the number of lost manufacturing jobs due to raised prices resulting in fewer sales of goods around the world.

shill for corporate agenda

still called leftist

pretty sure the govt killed all the leftists during ows

But I am in the institution I belong to: it's called Anon Babble.
Perhaps you oughta fuck right back to r/eddit?

They are the same faggots as you, rooting for the same team bullshit as you. While your jews control both teams and do what they want. You both have no idea about economic theory and effects.

No way the top headline is real.

How do you replace that (necessary) item in the marketplace?

Hey retard, that's part of the problem. Thanks to Slick Willy pushing Chyna into WTO, America has delegated essential manufacturing key to national defense to a potential rival.

dicksucker

Are you faggots unable to come up with a talking point w/o mentioning dicks or sucking?

Those faggots think that wagies working on the service industry won't quickly abandon those positions for better paying manufacturing jobs. Working with customers fucking sucks.

Checked and capped for posterity

Btw does anyone really believe that the burgers have the balls to eat shit for 20 years to experience the positive effects of the tariffs?

Communism was always pro free market

Don't they want to bring jobs back to America?

no
in fact they probably remove jobs.
especially when you deport non-whites that work those factory jobs.
and when you replace human workers with robots

We don't have a finance minister. We have a secretary of the treasury. And a secretary of commerce. But no finance minister. I can't tell if you're a foreigner or just another example of the "American Education" meme, or both.

Ultimately the end consumer is the one paying for the imported goods production,

Unless, of course, there's a local company making the same product already. Then the consumer will buy that product over the imported one to avoid the tariff hike. And this part is critical, given Chyna's business model:

Steal ideas from US manufacturing they see selling well on Amazon

Produce it on the cheap, with slave labor readily available thanks to the communist worker's paradise

Export it to the west, paying little to no tariffs

Undercut the original seller till they go bankrupt

Hike price since competitor is no longer around.

Rinse and repeat

Your problem, like this anon pointed out , is that you cannot extrapolate beyond the initial point. It's the type of critical logic that makes chess a great exercise of the consequences of derivative risk.

so which is it?
are factories having no problem finding human workers or are they just using robots(aka reducing jobs)

Communism was always pro free market

Marx condemns free trade on every second page of all his writings. Engels the same.

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fuck off

'Member berries remember when Pelosi took the House floor to vent about Chyna destroying US manufacturing in 1996.

Came here to post this. Democrats don't want people to work, especially not in blue collar jobs.

They feel corporations are taking advantage of people and are doing everything they can to stop them from hiring people or replacing them with robots

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

competitive on the world trade scene.

Who gives a shit about global trade besides global traders?
Your average person doesn't need cheap shoes made a country that employs effectively slave labor, they need a job that pays more than effectively slave labor.
It doesn't matter how cheap your shit is if you can't find a job pay for it in the first place, or said job pays peanuts, making it, effectively, expensive anyway.

slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/05/biden-china-alexander-hamilton-tariffs-electric-cars-green-energy.html
the tariff in question

The Biden administration's dramatic hikes for this year include a 100% tariff on electric vehicles, a 25% tariff on lithium-ion EV batteries and a 50% tariff on photovoltaic solar cells. A 50% tariff on semiconductors made in China will go into effect in 2025.

extremely specific and made to protect his new chips act he passed which is to make microchips and semi conductors in america.
also most people buy their chips/semiconductors from Taiwan not china.
these tariffs would likely not impact prices at all
it was essentially to discourage china from pushing a bigger EV presence in america.
america would still be buying from the places it was buying from at no extra cost.

trump on the other hand put tariffs of over 100% on just chinese exports in general, he made extremely broad tariffs that were not done to protect america.
the trump tariffs directly increased the cost of living for americans.

those arent slaves tho
they get paid for their work and are free to leave and work a different job

impossible to analyse.

How?
Journos who couldn't handle finite math in college are saying that if iPhones were made in America, it would cost 6 million times higher. The biggest hindrance to manufacturing iPhones (for example) in the US would be training, which would take about 18 months, at least, to match Chinese labor competency.

An aspect that MIT might not have considered in the upward labor cost pressure US workers have that chinks simply do not. Chinks complain about getting more pay, thry simply get fired. If it becomes too widespread, the CCP sends their army thugs to crack their skulls. Such is the reality of the workers' paradise.

Communists trying to start a communist revolution in America

they aren't slaves

they're just threatened to work for little pay and bad conditions or be deported back to their own country

choosing to work said job is totally voluntary!

I hate every single beaner getting into our country through that shit, but you are a moron.

It's hard to simply call tariffs "taxes". Tariffs are taxes on imports that are detrimental to local manufacturing. If there's a local supplier, the tariff is avoided. If not, then the question must be asked:

If there's no local supplier, is it due to unfair practices, like how Chyna constantly does.

or

There's no local supplier b/c another nation, with fair trade practices, simply does it better.

If the former, then tariffs are needed. If the latter, tariffs are detrimental.

i just dont see how you can say you love your country and the people in it and then say you want them slaving away making base parts for 12 hours a day getting minimum wage.
people in first world countries shouldnt be doing that work.
they should be going to university and getting a higher education and working higher skilled lower labor intensive jobs.
the reason why america was so strong for so long was because the average citizen was able to move on from working these factory jobs.
they said "hey we dont need to work these shitty jobs anymore, we can get chinks do it for 1 100th the cost at the same or slightly worse quality" thats what made america so rich.
why the fuck would you want to go back there.
especially when its the same people saying they want a white only society
so you want pure blooded white people slaving away in factories, not getting a higher education?
you actually want to just send white children into the coal mines?
idk it just doesnt make sense.

Factory jobs >>> than being a service industry wagie, putting up with customer shit.

>they aren't slaves

>they're just threatened to work for little pay and bad conditions or be deported back to their own country

>choosing to work said job is totally voluntary!

yes
the difference is they have a choice
its a hard choice but it is one.
slaves DONT have a choice.
fucking retard.