Housing is expensive? Buy a sailboat

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No one had it better than boomers, past, present, and future.

Enjoy all the maintainence costs.

Spend 20k on Marketplace

Do you have to pay for coastguard rescue in Argentina

We're approaching a point where our elites will want to keep taking our money, but we can't afford housing so we sleep in cars (or boats I guess). Then they'll hit you with every bullshit fee and fine they can think of.

fuel is expensive

try unfurling a sail, wind it must be still free in Argentina waters.

I am a long time lurker who posts from time to time. Many years ago I cashed out of a small business and bought a catamaran to sail the world. It was the best choice I ever made. I no longer am a spectator watching my own life go by, now I get to focus on living. At the same time, buying a boat to live on, especially a "cheap" boat, will break most people. I have seen it happen too many times. A 20k boat that you can live on is going to cost you 60-80k in repairs and upgrades the first two years you own it. That is par for the course. Sails, rigging, leaking hatches, new electronics, engine rebuild, etc etc. Its not to say that the life is not great, it is. Its much better than the 9-5 grind with lower overall costs than the average middle income life style (minus initial boat cost). But it's not an easy life, in fact it is quite hard one - but it is far more rewarding than any other option I have discovered.

You still need a shit ton of gas

not if you know how to sail, you really only need gas to get into your docking space.

It's very expensive, and you need to know how to maintain motor, sails, hull, food supply. Plus you need to pay to anchor in most places, sure you can anchor around some Caribbean island, and use a small boat to get to land, but that means other people can steal your ship.

Neither of you own boats. I fix all my own shit and costs me less than average house to maintain

mooring fees

Usually 1/4 the price of rent

maintenance fees

You cant be like this if you want to be independent. Fix your own shit.

equipment costs

True, BUT NOW you can 3D print or weld out some of the parts you need. Learn to fix your own shit, again.

customs fuckery

This one I will give to ya

Look at Ferdinand Magellan over here.

i would make my profit from the sea

all those words and you couldn't post a single picture

Although your comment is an attempt to be a wise ass, you actually pretty much hit the target way closer than you might think.

There are plenty of old dudes who thought they would live in a boat a few years. They got sick and lost money, now they have to live in the boat forever. Their 8x5x5 interior boats absolutely reek as they have diabeetus, can't clean, and have no where else to go. Don't do it.

But then I have to tattoo an anchor on my forearm, smoke a pipe and say "ay ay captain" all the time and I don't want that.

Based.

Csnt afford a house? Can’t afford a boat? Just hide in the sewers !

you died in the phillipines?

I thought about this but the reality is worse than it seems. A motor yacht will cost you towards a million for one that's not an absolute money pit to the tune of hundreds of thousands in repairs and maintenance. Even then regular maintenance on any motor yacht is a nightmare, only rich people own them for a reason. A sailboat is cheap for a reason, they're difficult to learn how to use and way more likely to crash into another boat or rocks. Usually made of wood too since the whole appeal is to be old school, the cabins are moist and damp. You live in that all the time rocking back and forth, even worse when there's a storm. You still have to pay for maintenance like scraping the hull regularly. Or you can let it sit and become a derelict vessel and get kicked out of the marina. There are few marinas with little regulation that have straight up boat hobos living in them, like San Francisco bay. Just a tweaker but he has a boat that's fucked up and about to sink. Idk how they pay the marina fees, which can be in the thousands per month. You're basically renting an apartment on top of paying a mortgage if it's a motor yacht, or living like a boat hobo if it's a sailboat and probably still having to pay at least a grand a month for mooring or slip space.

The actual pirate way of life now is living in a van or box truck. No need to pay for space, you buy the truck and build it out then just park it where no one bugs you. You still need money for gas but that's far less than any rent.

I'm not talking of a pirate lifestyle

Sorry for the long post but good info, I've autistically thought about housing solutions for a while. Ditched the boat idea as the most expensive and maintenance intensive, it's a very vulnerable investment for someone who's already into the sea life and knows enough about it. Vanlife is easy, boxtrucklife even easier as they have the space of a small living room and are easy to build out however you want.

There's also buying land and building small. Something like a Bunkie (picrel, costs $10k) or insulated shed, or cabin build (don't rule out standard stick builds, they're cheap if it's a small structure). You could even go cob or rammed earth build if you're that poor. But you own the land and can build bigger later on while already having a livable structure there to oversee building or DIY at your own pace.

Oh you're gonna get a gf who wants to be the wife of a boat man? You're gonna raise kids on your boat? This is an alternative (pirate) way of living.

Buy cheap land and build cheap or buy a mobile home (van/RV) on land. It's much more simple and sustainable.

Fuck wives, fuck kids.
Buying land is not something that you can't do, but fuck that ice cream stick house, you'll face heavier maintance cost there such as running and drinkable water and electricity, and if you planning a place with cold weather then you have to spend on calefactioning it, and goodbye to crops

sailboat

maintenance

yacht club fee

More expensive than housing. My family owned a C34 from Sweden Yachts.

I've filled my sailboat up once in 3 years. If you just sail you're fine. I don't do any long passages because I'm stuck in the Great lakes, but I can do a week trip on nothing but solar and lithium.

I don't know how to sail. I assume it's vastly different from a canoe plus there are serious maintenance issues, right?

Spend at least 50k unless you want to be 80k in the hole in repairs after 2 years

You have obviously never owned a boat. It's cramped, hot (or freezing cold) damp, smelly and constantly moving. Everything on a sailboat breaks, sails rip, pumps stop working (bilge, potty, freshwater, etc.), the slip fees are outrageous, you can't bath very often and your 'neighbors' are grotty yachties. One summer on a boat like that in Florida and you will crave sleeping under a fucking bridge.

1.) Marinas will not allow you to live on your boat if it's not insured.
2.) Insurance requires varying levels of maintenance and checks every single year. Sailboats need their rigging checked and/or replaced every 5 years. Replacement is hugely expensive.
3.) Marinas usually have very few slips for liveaboards.
4.) Marinas have length rules. A local marina says your boat has to be 27 feet or greater for you to live on it. Most cheapo Craigslist boats are under 27.
5.) New sails, new lines, new dodgers, new biminis, etc, are all super expensive.
6.) You need to get your shit tank pumped out every week or two. Yet another cost.

Basically it's just not as easy as you think. It's more expensive than you think. Realistically, you should only consider this if you have a major DIY mentality, are great at fixing things, great at restoring things, and fully understand the insurance requirements, have a slip lined up at a local marina, etc etc etc.

Can you do it? Absolutely. Lots of people do it. But lots of people try it and crash out and end up in an even worse situation.

Sounds fun but I would worry about getting old and feeble. That's many, many years away for me and presumably you as well but it's a concern. Do you also own a proper house somewhere for if you do eventually age out of this life? Do you have a pension or savings/investments to live on? I have a lot of questions kek

maintenance issues

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It's not possible anymore in the US due to slip fees and other costs
I'm kind of jealous of my father when he talks about living on a boat while attending the University of Maryland in the 1970s

Buy a motor yacht instead. It's the same except there is no keel to worry about, no sails flapping about and you don't have to be on an angle as soon as you go faster than 4 knots. Let's face it, you're unlikely to leave the bay.

fuel bro, plus if your not a bush boy this kind of life will break you. Most people cant do it anymore which is sad because it was the default state of men

more like the ss minnow

Las Vegas baby!

>no bathroom

The ocean is right fucking there

I imagine the average life expectancy of someone lasting in the sewers is two years. That's probably generous.

And it's not comfy to live on a "boat" for a longer period of time. It comes with so many constraints that people don't think about. You are constantly busy with care & maintenance. Constantly! When you are done at the stern the bow is already fouling again. It never ends. Then your boat has to get out of the water every now and then for cleaning and repainting the hull. I have been doing this with my dad on a 34ft sailing yacht only once. The most tedious work ever! Never again please! You can't live on your boat during this time, you have to move your household elsewhere. A boat is a huge hole that you constantly pour money into yet povides only a tiny fraction of the space and comfort and usability of house & garden.

rent yacht club space

Literally just drop your own mooring bouy right next to the waterfront in any city you like and get a kayak or paddle board or dinghy to easily go back and forth from public pier to boat.
t. Coast Guard

Buying a sailboat is retarded don't do it. But if you're convicted otherwise; nothing I say could dissuade you. Just remember: the sea offers but a sad solitude that drives most insane.

You have to go but you don't have to come back. Semper Paratus, my nigger.

Magellan Investments?

kayak or paddle board or dinghy

to easily go back and forth

easily

kek

most cosy thing ever though, arriving at a little cove and dropping anchor for the night

step into kayak

paddle for 3 minutes to get to the pier

Just say you're fat and incapable

wait till hurricane season, i was gonna buy a 40' sailboat with water damage and damaged sails from a insurance company for $5k. i didn't do it because its $500/month to park it at a shitty marina.

You can buy a refurbished single wide for like 15-20k. I've been restoring one. Would have been better off living I. The rabbit shed, but atleast it's a shelter.

Haven’t heard that phrase in a while. Hopefully it makes a comeback.

So what you basicaly fish and goon all day

Yeah, I always loved that phrase, too. My father was a coastie for five years when he was a young man and he still to this day says it all the time in various situations.

Your Old Guard dad sounds based. I came in in ‘09 and I’ve watched it go steadily downhill over the years.

Semper Paratus, my nigger.

You have no idea what it costs to maintain a house you fat fucker.

You could even go cob or rammed earth build if you're that poor.

To me rammed earth seems superior anyway because of the improved insulation reducing energy needs and the dirt walls will repel bullets.

It depends on the house and how it was constructed and what materials were used. Unironically I'm looking at selling everything I own and buying a small plot of land in the desert out west and putting up a tiny home. I don't want to deal with the maintenance of a big house decades from now when I'm old.

the real hack is to be good enough at sailing that people will hire you to sail their boat around and now you get your cost of living covered and a small amount of pay
if you qualify to sail yachts can go to Florida and there's plenty of millionaires that don't know what they are doing and will pay you to do it, otherwise

sailboat maintenance isn't that hard, it's just that very few people learn it and most boat owners are rich so they don't bother learning

haul boat out of water

sand hull down

apply new gel coat

apply new paint

costs a couple grand if you go to a remote boat yard and do it yourself
the bigger problem with living in a boat here is you're in a very humid environment and need constant heat to not have mould issues during summer

Checked. Go for it; it’s in your blood

Somebody already made that joke. Do you still look like this?
Work on that and then start giving advice. Loser.

I think the only way around this is to have sex and have children and hope you can figure out something together (the welfare state will be dead by the time we get there). Eventually you will be too old to maintain any housing or lifestyle no matter how easy.
He should do like that one Aussie and pick up a girl half his age to bring on the boat and coom into.

the only use is when my father want to bang a whore without anyone knowing it

no bathroom

Picrel

more expensive to buy

Picrel

Go get fucked noboats

Fix your own shit.

salt water fucks shit up and things grow in it, you have to regularly clean your hull which means either a few hours diving and scrubbing or getting your house into drydock.

BUT NOW you can 3D print

will gum up your 3D printer with the salty humid sea air/spray in no time, there's a reason everything marine rated is hermetically sealed and made of corrosion-resistant materials

Neither of you own boats. I fix all my own shit and costs me less than average house to maintain

do you keep all the shit you need to fix a boat on the boat itself, or do you have a house with space to keep all of that?

100 grand? thanks for proving my point anon

I don't even have a motor on my J boat. Wind power into the marina.

Actually something just clicked for me. Zoomers and Alphas won't be able to buy anything, it's too expensive. But Millennials still can. So you should;

Buy enough land that you can have other people on it

Interview zoomers for a good fit

Let them move in for a small monthly fee (I mean really small like no more than $100)

They have to agree to work on improving the land though, which they will because it'll be their home too

Over many decades build up a relationship and hopefully they'll care for you when you're an old fuck

Will the homestead to whichever zoomer is most respectable

He repeats

Boom it's perfect

Depends how hungry the rats get

Cheaper by far than most houses but the maintenance cost and time would be significant, I assume.

That's based tbqh.

More likely to crash

"tiller toward trouble" is all you need to know

Oh you're gonna get a gf who wants to be the wife of a boat man? You're gonna raise kids on your boat?

You must be a landrat. There are much people doing exact this and girlfriends are no problem if you're not looking like Quaismodo,
For kids its one of the best things you can do.

hey're difficult to learn how to use and way more likely to crash into another boat or rocks. Usually made of wood too since the whole appeal is to be old school, the cabins are moist and damp

Sure one thing, you have not the slightest grasp of sailing and boat owning.

One summer on a boat like that in Florida

Comparison is a long beach sea view house?

Everything on a sailboat breaks, sails rip, pumps stop working (bilge, potty, freshwater, etc.)

No clue and buy the shit the sportboat shops offers? Protip: No-one forces you to do. You need experience and if you have two left hands, cant weld, neither lathe access nor skills you better feed you landlord.

You are not stuck to the boat. If you sick of boat live you can rent a small flat in off season and getting old? Have met one man just arrived from his Atlantic crossing at 77.

1 PBTID

Prove that I dont then, faggot fed.

shit tank pumped out every week

Just sail out and empty them retard.

I've unironically considered learning to sail. I want to go from Port Credit and cross the Atlantic to Tenerife. What class of boat would be required? I follow that one trust fund kid on Jewtube who sailed from Oahu to Tahiti in just over a month in a Norsra 27 and am curious if someone more durable is needed for an Atlantic sailing.

will gum up your 3D printer with the salty humid sea air/spray

You need to seal up your cabin and apply other precautions captain. I keep my amps and guitars inside the boat and have zero issues.

> 504008815

You're just describing serfdom.

paying 100k for a 20 year old sailboat

Lmao you’re getting ripped off. I bought my 93 40 footer for 4k.

thinking a Catalina can sail.

That's a motor sailer. I have a j boat and an x-yacht.

If you’re worried about the hull then do some work on it. If not, go look up what rating you feel you need and apply that to your search. It’s always more about storage space than it is hulls when it comes to normies’ ratings, im afraid.

not only that, but idk where the fuck is he buying for such a high price

get

lost

this is normal you retard
its normal to look like that

your amps and guitars can take a lot more salt and humidity before they start giving bad results than a 3D printer.

It’s always more about storage space than it is hulls when it comes to normies’ ratings

Yeah I'd care more about not capsizing or getting assraped by waves or rain than space, although I'd imagine weight limits are important for keeping enough drinking water for a month+ long voyage with no stops.

Even better get one on a lake in America somewhere. No liberal owns a boat bigger than a kayak.

private fishing tours & travel

If you are going to live on a boat, it is much easier if you live on a boat in a sweetwater lake, because the rate of rust is much faster in salt water. And a proper boat hull should be made in corten steel or stainless steel because they are rust resistant. Boats are very expensive if you do not have your own place to moor them at, because marinas are another jewish rentier scam.

Lotta boat fags on pol. Who would have thought

Boats are bad.

>Why?

Because boats are bad.

they call 'em boat bucks for a reason mate, fucking ruinously expensive to store and maintain on the sea.

have you heard of fiberglass hulls? they've been making those for 75+ years now. you'd still have to apply antifouling copper coating every so often.

I'm in a coastal area and I've known a few guys that live on boats.
One likes to smoke crack and snort ketamine then stumble around the beach all day with a pirate hat on. We call him Crack Sparrow.

cant you just anchor somewhere in international waters so nobody can fuck with you and force you to pay fees?

inherited my granddad's boat

210 Cummins Turbodiesel with 2600 hours

the heat exchanger looks like the fucking statue of liberty, the roof leaks right on top of the con tower, there's water in the oil, giant fucking suitcase sized marine battery is dead

terrified to try and start it in case it runs away

I just want to go fishing man

Nah I didn't say that. I would have one of I could afford it. I was stating that I was surprised there were so many boat afficionados here. Chill out anon

12 Miles from shore usually gets pretty deep. Even if you find a spot where your anchor hits you would have to worry about fuel, supplies, storms, maintenace, docking fees, taxes....

I have considered getting a big net and a bunch of plastic bottles with the caps on. Put them in the net which is wrapped around them like a bag. Now apply something over the top to make a solid surface (silicone, spray foam, ..etc), add your planks over the top. Badda bing badda bang...floating fortress of solitude

you can do it 150 ft from Miami beach, but there are caveats now.

wlrn.org/government-politics/2024-09-03/in-miami-beach-you-can-live-on-your-boat-but-getting-to-land-is-not-so-easy

How hard is it to get hired on a commercial ship or a fishing ship?
I am near maine right now and I got a year to earn money and do what I want before heading to college and was wondering if I could get hired or something like that by some ship.
How do you even get hired to go on a ship?
I have like zero experience wondering if I could do something exciting even if the pay wont be all that I dont care honestly. More adventure than a cashier job at least.

Wanna come pull lobster traps with me in Nova Scotia bub?

I've heard that it's far better to save up and spend 50 - 80k for a newer boat unless you're hardcore and a good at fixing stuff.

50 - 80k

I have played this game, started looking at 15k. Did not find what I was looking for until 420k. Not choice but workable, choice started at around 800k for me

Plane ticket would be like 600 bucks I am dead broke and I cannot legally leave the US due to some legal shit with my adoptee parents otherwise I really would love to go. How much do people make up there doing that stuff as an inexperience retard like me?

You can take the ferry from Bar Harbor to yarmouth
How much depends on the price of sea bugs and how big a haul we get
If things are bad like $20 an hour, if good like $50 an hour

800k?? wtf are you buying

lol! costs more per year to maintain than a house, docking is like renting an apartment in high priced area, most fish taste like shit unless you've got taste for fish your whole life. catching crab and lobster is not as easy as it seems unless you're near specific shores

cant you just anchor somewhere in international waters so nobody can fuck with you and force you to pay fees

lol, are you for real? most international waters start 200 miles of the coast. even in places where it's 12 miles out it still deep ocean

still deep ocean

So...doesn't that just mean more rope for the anchor? no big deal right?

It's not that easy, your anchor can drag, also can you free dive so deep if it gets stuck?
Just give up, you are made out of butter.

You can take the ferry from Bar Harbor to yarmouth

will they register my entry since I got the legal issues like I said and I dont want to fuck up my court case?

If things are bad like $20 an hour, if good like $50 an hour

That is fucking great, when would it be the best time to come over?
I am dead serious by the way so I hope this isn't a joke.

800k?? wtf are you buying

I would like to retire on a liveaboard katamaran that wont be moored 100% of the time.

What about sharks?

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you are made out of butter.

Nah. I'm tough as nails. Just don't know a damn thing about boats or the ocean that's all.

Hmm I dunno I haven't taken the ferry in a while, it used to be no trouble but since covid I have no idea
Fishing season ends at the end of the month though

There's a decent chance he's gonna rape you and through you overboard anon. A few hours after your dead dolphins will come along and rape your corpse...then the craps will do the same. It will be a very long interconnected chain of rapes on your corpse by aquatic animals. all because you wanted to play Captain Ron with an anon you met from pol lol might wanna think about this...

800k is retarded

Fishing season ends at the end of the month though

Aww man that sucks.
How do you usually recruit crew?
I hitchiked from maryland to nyc to connecticut trust me I can keep my booty safe if I have to.
I got some close calls but really I have been lucky thankfully. Honestly I have been more in danger walking around in Baltimore than in any place.

lol might wanna think about this..

oh come on whats life without some adventure.
Besides everybody has phones nowadays if they want to people can track my location in Satan's anus and I constantly keep in touch with people about my location and well being.

Boats and planes are money pits. Boats especially due to whole corrosive salt water shit they float in.

Plus they SUCK to be in during storms and nasty weather. Hope you have sea legs!

Where all the action used to happen on my boat, until I hit my head.

Rent a space in a Yacht club

Problem is that in the U.S., that's generally more expensive than renting an apartment.

Also, the places that allow liveaboards tend to be floating trailer parks full of dying old boomers and druggies, just like land-based trailer parks.

And to run your generator, unless you have a plug-in. Don't forget the propane tank for your "galley" cooktop.

It's usually me and old injun guy and my cousin and if they don't wanna work I grab a buddy or just get someone at the dock to come with, lots of people just hangout there looking to come make some drinking money for a day or two of work

Fuck wives, fuck kids.

No, just the wife, unless you want to get arrested.

Marina fee's here are pretty reasonable, about 6K per year, you can live on your boat but you have to pay for services like electricity. Insurance is strict but not that expensive and they will inspect your boat for safety. I have mine in drystore, I order it up on my app to be launched to water, I go to the marina, step on and go. When we come back in they put it back for us after I crash into the dock and cause utter mayhem.

you are not the first person to have that idea. Cities almost universally ban living on your boat.

Why are they harder to maintain now with new materials than 300 years ago with no hull maintenance needed. Just curious

Fuck sea and boats and fuck you.

Boats are retarded. 800k is where you have everything working, a "newer" model and both luxury and performance. If you want new then 1.3M is where they start.

For 400k you get an older model and lousy performance, but at least it's a nice place to live, I would not go lower if you are seriously considering living there for the rest of your life. That 80k boat will cost you more in the first five years.

than 300 years ago with no hull maintenance needed

Not at all.
Live in van > ewww stinky Hobo living a car
Live on a boat > wow interesting free spirit (eccentric if older)

Both suck in reality but boat life is seen as more romantic.

I just live in a sedan car like a conoseur.

that sounds comfy as fuck anon.
God bless you and yours.
I am going to get more info on fishing seasons maybe next year I can do 3-4 months before fall semester comes in some ship out here. Thanks for the info.

this, boat is the new car
we are going from madmax to waterworld

That is called Seasteading, there is a whole movement of people who are trying to do this.