She’s correct, you know.
She’s correct, you know
I cannot hate the chinks and the ruling class
Ok retard.
good
everyone knows that
trade protectionism is a leftist platform and always has been
what the fuck clown world is this
Yes? This aligns with what we already believe, you know.
This is a National Socialist board no matter how many r/Libertarian refugees flood us.
Also this
globohomo jews did it
We know, we still blame them for it every day.
irrelevant, it is still a problem that must be fixed
No lie detected. But it was also an attempt to bring China into the ZOG fold, but the chinks saw it coming and kept jewish NGOs from gaining any real power
your globohomo jew overlords are at fault
no goyim you can’t blame them, you must let the same people remain in charge to fix it
Shalom
This. Chinks sold their own people to be the rest of the world's sweatshop workers, and of course these greedy fucks are gonna put profit over people.
It was both. China tempted the greedy by using China's debt to establish dominance. Anyone that tried to compete freely was forced out of business or to a niche market.
It’s actually that they thought that 1970s progressivism would incorporate blacks and women into neoliberal capitalist society and they’d stop agitating for socialism and basically realized blacks are hopeless and women don’t have kids when they have freedom.
So, the alternative would be a right wing localist patriarchal segregationist system: that’s intolerable for Jews. But the neoliberal concept was their idea for dealing with blacks and women in a liberal way.
They know it didn’t work, so 2008 and all that was their plan to move capital out of the US and write it off as a failed experiment.
The 9/11 demolition was planned in the 70s and Zionist Christianity was one plan but most of them had abandoned it even in the 90s.
If you wonder why conservative Christian culture almost had a resurgence during Bush but then pivoted during Obama, you’re seeing the hidden hand of overlapping plans as they abandoned them.
Now they’re hoping to restore the American project because the Chinese were too hard to infiltrate. Good luck kike faggots you fucked this up.
it’s the fault of the evil chinks globohomo jews sold the American economy to them
Whew lad
these two things are mutually exclusive
China absolutely has been acting strategically to destroy industry in other countries. Dumping, industrial espionage, and just general perfidy have all been strats that the ccp uses to kill industry in other nations.
Therefore, trying to stop it now is fascistic.
Hm, this wasn't an issue for americans when everyone of them could afford big houses, cars, boats etc.. Whats the matter, yankess? Are you starting to count your pennies to buy bread yet?
well you cowardly goyim certainly arent gonna fix it, better the jews fix it than no one pussy
Can you give us a list of the names of the people who shipped off these jobs?
Can you let chatgpt to sort them out by "Berg","Burg","Mann" and so on?
no shit, thanks for finally lifting your head up from the back seat, andrea. now wipe the cum off your face and understand that i can hate both, for different reasons.
She's retarded. Allowing China to join the WTO and violate all their rule was the problem. If one company can use slave labor overseas and produce things much cheaper, they are retarded not to and will go out of business against companies that do. They don't have worker protections or safety or environmental regulations that raise the cost of products produced in the US. If you are giving china a pass with not having the same expensive standards that the west has, while putting all the blame on companies that are FORCED to make things in China or go under, you are retarded.
Duh. You need slaves to do the shitty labor. Who else is gonna do it, you? Slavery is good, don't be such a hypocrite.
Yes. Welcome to globalism, bitch. Cheap labour on one end, cheap goods on the other. I dont know how tf the left got conned into supporting this shit.
People are greedy. Getting mad at CEOs for wanting to maximize profits is essentially getting mad that human greed simply exists. I'm all for Luigi'ing the fuck out of them all, but to act like China is absolutely blameless and innocent is wild. The Chinese government sold their people. The US Government and CEOs sold their economy.
the ((((american)))) ruling class
If America only did business with people of the same standards as them they wouldn't dominate the world.
(((American ruling class)))
both sides benefited from this though,the chinese communists just invested the profits in trains,roads,houses and schools lifting millions out of poverty.
The american elites invested in Hollywood,cocaine,rent seeking schemes,sodomy,desert wars and fast food.
The Chinese government didn't force anyone to do anything. They are blameless for western greed.
the left doesn't live in the real world
wrong, it was the machinations of utopian elitist politicians that unironically thought that you could end all wars by mixing every economy together, and it was thereby justifiable to literally genocide white inland communities via deindustrialization. the corpos weren't cause, only the facilitators (and they should still get the rope)
It actually goes beyond this it's so egregious.
The entire modern history of US and China relations have been China continually extending an olive branch of mutual cooperation and the US continually refusing because the US at the behest of Israeli zionism keeps trying to subvert and overthrow China's government. China's always "let's get rich together" and the US is always "let us establish our digital spy network infrastructure in your country", then throws a tantrum when China sets clear boundaries which do not impede mutual prosperity.
It's crazy how the only sane western political voices you have nowadays are all either neutral or positive towards China.
Jeffrey Sachs, Yanis Varoufakis, Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Julian Assange, Ben Norton, Pascal Lottaz, just name a few. Their level of discourse is always higher because they're speaking from a position of honesty and it rings true. All heavily censored, I wonder why.
Listen to John Thornton:
youtube.com
Did you know that China actually wanted Belt & Road Initiative to be a joint US-China venture? Back in 2018 during the Obama Administration, John Kerry was the liason to China and managed to secure mutual agreement with China to cooperate on BRI, but when he tried bringing this proposal to Obama, it was nebulously tanked before it even reached Obama's desk. That's how you know China was earnest about BRI being a goodwill humanitarian cooperation project and not meant as power projection, because if the US weren't so cartoonishly evil they were always willing to share the project with the US. Well, that ship has sailed now.
true
and this *american rulling clas* is called jews from israel
No it was in fact both you think Mao cared about enriching the western elites?
it is still a problem that must be fixed
If you read Bertrand Russell's (one of the most enlightened western thinkers of the last 500 years) book The Problem of China, he actually concludes that the problem lies not with China but with the west, and that the Chinese system makes more sense than the western system. Go read it, the entirety is up on youtube.
Why is she saying this as if we don't know. Of course we know. We were sold out, stabbed in the back so to speak. The only politician in the 40 years I've been alive to even bring this up is actually president. The left won't stop reeeeeing about it though
The Chinese government didn't force anyone to do anything.
The Chinese forced everyone else out of business. Or the Chinese bought the competition and closed them. It's not greed to run the math and conclude it's hopeless and that trade is unfair.
the west let the chinks join the game thinking they weren't a threat, they were wrong
Not true, that's the US modus operandi and entirely projection of the US onto China (as is always the case when they accuse China of something).
The only elements of the European auto industry left is actually being kept alive by China (Volkswagen EVs, BMW EVs etc), who didn't have to do it, but they do it because they're not looking to dominate or destroy foreign companies. If China didn't help those corporations they'd be dead against the likes of TESLA.
Everyone knows by middle school except for her. Lol.
Yes, asked correct. Now we're gonna undo that. Shouldn't have a problem with that right?
(((the american ruling class)))
The Chinese offered them an opportunity to cash in on their greed at the expense of the Chinese and American people. They're as greedy and immoral as the CEOs that shipped production there and the Governments that enabled it. All deserve to hang. Whether some deserve it more or less is semantics.
who opened up china for trade again? oh thats right a JEW
the jew is to blame once again
So go live there instead of Vancouver, Ling
yes
So she should love the tariffs then. It's the first thing introduced that puts a hurdle in exploiting global inequality.
China is at fault because they wanted to build their economy up, and western US jews were all gleefully excited to fuck their own nation over to help the chinks
No, I blame the jews
muh WTO
No you're deluded. It ultimately doesn't and didn't matter whether China was allowed in the WTO, because of one stark point of reality, which is that 60% of the world's population live in Asia alone.
China is historically a massive producer and consumer, without WTO they would have formed their own robust trade relations with other countries regardless.
With the WTO the western world actually had more oversight on China than would have been otherwise granted.
The reality is that western nations are in their totality, bit players on the world stage and have only in the last century out of millennia had a disproportionately larger influence on trade, which was always untenable to maintain as it was a product of inperial subjugation and was always going to end one way or another.
China and India alone could trade, China and Russia alone could trade, China or SEA could trade, China or Africa could trade, China or South America could trade, each solely independently and be entirely sustainable without participation from the rest or the western world at all. China and EU could trade and be entirely sustainable without participation of the US either.
weird way to say its the Jews, but ok
China to join the WTO
From the horses mouth: education.cfr.org
Exploiting global nequality
That's inevitable. And irrelevant.
What she fails to identify is that it was at the expense of the White American worker. That's where the true tragedy lays.
So what if she is correct. The end result is the same, truthfully it was probably both that happened.
Western countries are actually fighting for Asian immigrants to settle in their countries hand over fist despite the narrative of "muh illegal Chinese immigrants coming up through Mexico".
It's a deflection, they are actually tsundere for immigrants. Meanwhile Asians just like to travel the world (as do most people).
Clinton/Wallmart
stop pretending democrats aren't part of the problem
Great, we agree.
Now lets employ some good ol' nationalist strategies, which may sound a bit like socialism to shitty libertarians, to on-shore some of our most critical industries.
100%. It has never been about control over supply lines it always about inequality.
She's right and wrong.
the majority jewish US ruling class IS exploiting the third world to explode their profit margins
China should be blamed for selling their population into sweatshop slavery, and using children, prisoners, political prisoners, and actual slaves to fill the factories
Canadian pretends China INNOCENT
This is exactly why we're going to control large swaths of Canada, you cocksuckers whored yourselves out to powerful CCP interests and that's intolerable for a nation on the border of the global hegemon.
This is retarded. China was trying to get into the WTO for a long time, they were always massively overproduction (as they are now) and they wanted most favored nation status. Because of Mao it took them way longer to modernize like their neighbors like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong etc. China was backwards even in the 90s, their big step was being allowed into the WTO so they could steal IPs in order to modernize faster.
It doesn't matter how many people they have if they are still backwards (especially outside of the major cities) when your people can't consume as China is constantly devaluing their currency further destroying people's savings. If people were the main thing that mattered, India would be more than a 4T economy as they have more people than China, but China is already facing a crisis by 2050 with their population, way more men than women and too few children.
A bit of both with the overall goal to claim dominance over China and then the entire world. Fortunately the Chinks caught on to the jewish tricks before it got out of hand. Now its time for Americans to push back too.
She's half correct. The other part of it is the Democrats and Leftists pushing regulations that make it unprofitable for corporations to keep their manufacturing here in the U.S. or hire American workers. So both sides are responsible for sending jobs overseas to the Chinese and Indians. Leftists don't really mind hiring foreigners since those foreigners are non-White(and non-American).
That is why I support seizing the assets of anyone that profits from outsourcing, placing them in camps and forcing them to work to earn their freedom.
why does it matter who is responsible?
Also, the chinese themselves have actively engaged in some awful behaviour to protect their position and destroy industry in other countries, like mass dumping knockoffs of varying quality levels, buying up and running down industry in foreign markets like they just tried to do with thst bongland refinery, the shit they're doing with those armed fishing fleets, etc.
Market interventionism isn’t left or right
"to the American ruling class" - it also went to pensions funds and pensioners in general, not just the super rich.
jew memeflag
noooo goyim stop noticing, it went into the uh... the pensions yeah those oy vey the pensions
Globalists = Capitalists
It's really so simple they're both the same people
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do we really need a thread of 70 people telling 1pbtid OP "we know"? Just resist the urge to post, you fucking children. I know it's rare for you to get a chance to show your 5th grade intelligence but there are better threads
It's true, unless you have a government that operates for the benefit of the nation's people, then the end result of capitalism is globalism.
Profit-chasing allows one to sell everything value a nation has.
Lol ok chang
Meanwhile Asians just like to travel the world (as do most people).
Most people don't travel the world.
All the WTO actually does is normalize trade relations with a country.
India joined WTO 6 years before China did.
Yes.
It was also a strategy by China to take the US manufacturing capacity.
What about this is supposed to make me mad? We know this already. That's why I wanted tariffs in the first place.
the American ruling class
kikes and shabbos goys
When the fuck are these pathetic faggots going to call it what is? It's no great fucking secret anymore.
EVERYONE KNOWS
us fixing it means you swinging from a lamp post remember that while you talk shit.
lower trade barriers, investor confidence access to global markets, easier export etc. don't matter! the wto does nothing!
This is actually pointless to talk about because you have no idea what you're talking about or what happened when China joined the WTO, what the WTO means or what getting permanent most favored nation status with the US meant and why China's GDP increased like 1400% since joining the WTO.
So Greedy people are the problem?
Thanks for making it clear what the issue is.
So Greedy people are the problem?
always have been
Those trade barriers were completely artificial in the first place.
You're basically stuck between a rock and a hard place in your twisted argument because WTO isn't some magic get rich card.
So either you'll have to conceded China was actually exceptional in some regard or admit WTO admission only went according to an inevitable trend.
She is. All short term greed and profit margins. Not to say China bribery also didn't sweeten the deal and our government ignoring the issues it would cause.
The trade barriers exist for a reason, joining it and getting the benefits of it, also declaring yourself as a developing country for additional exemptions by wanting to still be declared a developing nation, even today. China is not exceptional as it both gets to violate most of the rules of the WTO, steals IP (leads to no R&D), employs near slave labor, no safety or environmental standards, no worker rights among many other things that increase the costs for western nations as the CCP can get away with this, things that their neighbors like South Korea, Japan or Taiwan adhere to, they would be exceptional, China in comparison, especially with their large population, is not and basically has only ruined free trade with unfair practices that other countries are not allowed to use. But it's clear you have little to no understanding about any of this.
trade barriers exist for a reason
Indeed?
en.wikipedia.org
And who determines whether a country can freely trade or not?
If you're talking about the world, then most of the world's countries want to trade freely (and are) with China.
So the US view does not represent the democratic will of the world at large.
If Africa or SEA wants to trade with China, what business is it of the US'? I want you to think very carefully about this, because it's exactly the same reason why US is trying to start WWIII.
Trade barriers are a tool that CAN have legitimate reasons to exist.
However, just like IP laws, they are abused nowadays for the sole purpose of stifling innovation and trade respectively, and in the case of China, abused to 'contain China'.
But the point is moot because if you look at the history of the world, China has for the majority made up the bulk of the world's total trade.
People always think that the shit in the world is either human nature OR conspiracies.
In reality, conspiracy is part of human nature, powerstruggles are a part of human nature, and a world has plenty of shit, some of it is greed, some is incompetence, some is power struggles and conspiracies, and most of it is a headless blunder.
Moving from a manufacturing econoy to a service economy envolves the greed of corporations, the shortsightedness and greed of politicians, lazyness of workers, and the utter lunacy that is globalism. There are many more factors i'm sure, there may even be a conspiracy or two in there, no doubt this move that makes america more voulnerable in war time is beneficial to many world powers.
Another statistic for you.
worldometers.info
China has 17.20% of the world's population.
They currently have 16.76% share of world GDP.
So pretty nominal and fair.
Meanwhile, the US makes up 4.22% of the world population and yet has 26.11% share of world GDP.
So I actually agree with you. The world should put up trade barriers and embargo the US, you fucking hypocrite.
26.11% share of world GDP.
Yea and how much of that is concentrated into a group of like 10 guys? who then direct that flow of money into wasteful bullshit like isreal
It's "nigger in the woodpile", whore. You're lying from the start, you cunt.
True. And yet the "left" and democrats are dead set against any attempt to bring that same manufacturing back to the US because orange man bad. You think tariffs are a bad idea because they'll require a tough love period? Suggest something else instead of do nothing but impede
Good post
Carl Weiss wasn't a Jew. He was a German-American.
Huey Long had no chance of being president in 1936.
Yea it's ridiculous. Americans are totally working 6 times harder than the rest of the world am I right. Totally not abusing their position as world police/terrorist.
Totally not abusing their position as world police/terrorist.
its not normal American citizens doing it , its wealthy cuntbags operating within the West. these people should be killed obviously , but a normie ameriburger isent abusing their power, no to stupid for the most part.
is she going to go work in the fabulous new american factories? maybe she can knit the nets that avoid jumpers from dying
chinks were like noooooo america dont pay me a dollar an hour to sew shoes and jump into a suicide net
ermm actually it's both sweaty
And who determines whether a country can freely trade or not?
The WTO determines that, the WTO exists to stabilize trade and create rules for trade to make it fair and free. If you are using slave labor obviously gives you an advantage, most or all businesses in China getting government subsidize, devaluing their own currency to reduce tariffs instead of addressing the reason why tariffs are there etc. The CCP has never cared about their own people, and just see them as a tool to expand their empire. Other countries in the WTO play by the rules and get ahead, China is the one that violates the rules the most and steals the most IPs to prop up their economy. If they were smart they wouldn't be way overproduction on most of their products, overproduction on things that there isn't even a market for.
China has 17.20% of the world's population. They currently have 16.76% share of world GDP.
Germany has 1% of the world's population with a 4.2% share of the GDP.
Japan is 1.5% of the world's population with a 3.96% of the GDP
I don't know why you think China is so exceptional, when they violate the rules of the WTO for favorable trade relations and legitimacy with other countries in the WTO, but their population is larger than their share of the world GPD. Sure they are more exceptional than like India, but not most of their neighbors.
This is all just nonsensical and doesn't prove any kind of point for you.
canada
this is just two chinese nationals talking to each other
The chinks deliberately operated at a loss subsidized by their government and passed it off as permanent low-costs. It absolutely was a chink plot, just one the boomers were in on.
WTO determines that
And the WTO are in favour of China, as are most of the world. Trump was threatening to leave it lol.
most or all businesses in China getting government subsidize
Same as western businesses, nothing new. Pot calling kettle black.
The difference is that the west abuse their powers to hamper foreign nations like US did to Japan with the Plaza Accord.
The CCP has never cared about their own people, and just see them as a tool to expand their empire
The CCP doesn't care about their people and yet treats them better with social programs and works than the US does. It's actually hilarious you're trying to bring up this point in 2025 when one of the main things people in the west are disillusioned by are that their government doesn't give a crap about their opinions, continuing to fund Israel in Gaza when it has a 99% US population disapproval rate.
Germany has 1% of the world's population with a 4.2% share of the GDP.
Japan is 1.5% of the world's population with a 3.96% of the GDP
Indeed, those are US vassals and are getting an unfair share of the pie for colluding with the US. So let's hear you criticize every country getting an unfair share before China you hypocrite.
I don't know why you think China is so exceptional
Good, let's agree China isn't exceptional then and therefore you should have no problems with their current share of trade. What was this discussion about again?
I literally won this argument forever, you're just grasping now.
Let's see you squirm some more.
Not that the capitalist class of America didn't do this, but China absolutely planned for it and took advantage of it.
Stupid cunt
Idiot we are the same chink on multiple computers having a conversation with ourselves, fuck off
Someone is debating this? Of course it's true. China was just happy to oblige. Now what does this person suggest for course correction? Or are they one of the "stay the course forever because the alternative is too difficult" people?
Ya those dumb chinks should've been grateful and not tried to build themselves up and stayed slaves to the west. Don't they know this is supposed to be a zero sum game? Can't take this board seriously anymore. Thought processes are no different than the myopic lens boomers see the world thru
Nah. It was both. Greedy cunts across the world and China knowing it could slave its citizenry into 1st world status.
Outsourcing jobs to China for cheap labor is the inverse of importing cheap foreign labor. Some jobs you can't outsource, like construction and agriculture work, which have to be done on-site.
The cause of both is the elites' desire for cheap labor, which goes back a long way in history, all the way to slavery, which was nothing but the important of cheap labor to further enrich the elites.
And the WTO are in favour of China, as are most of the world.
Not really, that is why places like the EU and Canada have heavy tariffs on specific Chinese industries like EVs and solar panels. The only reason this has been allowed to go on for so long is because China has a large market that people want access too, but as time has gone on this has only resulting in constant stole IPs (leads to China not needing R&D) of companies that manufacture there and then squeezing them out of the Chinese market (like VW). China thought they could cozy up to the EU after Trump's tariff war (which was stupid because he should have mostly focused on China and transshipment countries), but that likely won't do much.
The CCP doesn't care about their people and yet treats them better with social programs and works than the US does.
Yes, continue to just eat bitterness and believe that. The US can talk much more openly about their problems, and the US has a lot of problems, and they don't need police approval to protest, while China continue to stop reporting on hundreds of economic indicators.
Indeed, those are US vassals and are getting an unfair share of the pie for colluding with the US
more deflection and excuses as to why China lags behind their neighbors, but maybe if you exclude the rural population that are exploited constantly with basically no actual protections with the hukou system the GDP looks much better.
Hey country flaggot, It’s definitely not tariff everyone. Try not being an incel.
Why not? Companies will 100% not produce in the U.S. even with tax rates at 0% because it's still cheaper overseas. We've tried that. So why not just tariff the fuck out of everyone? If it's only hurting us, then why did Canada, China, etc. lose their fucking minds over it?
that is why places like the EU and Canada have heavy tariffs on specific Chinese industries like EVs and solar panels
Even if EU and Canada unilaterally disapproved of China (which they don't, they're expanding ties as we speak), together they make up 28 of the world's 195 countries. Most of the world approves of China. Watch the John Thornton video I posted above, he puts it into perspective. >The only reason this has been allowed to go on for so long is because China has a large market that people want access too, but as time has gone on this has only resulting in constant stole IPs (leads to China not needing R&D) of companies that manufacture there and then squeezing them out of the Chinese market (like VW).
Not historically. Historically China has had an even larger market for most of recorded human history. Also the R&D IP thefts while have happened, are overstated and China is literally world leader in multiple frontier technologies. Eventually the whole 'can only steal' narrative will be completely demolished.
Yes, continue to just eat bitterness and believe that. The US can talk much more openly about their problems, and the US has a lot of problems, and they don't need police approval to protest, while China continue to stop reporting on hundreds of economic indicators.
Are you kidding? You DO need police approval to protest in the US, you can't just protest anywhere you like.
aclu.org
And we've seen how much freedom of speech means in the US time and time again with the Occupy Wallstreet movement, BLM, etc. Do you even know what's happening right now in universities in the US? They fired two Ivy League presidents for not falling in line with the zionist agenda, they fired multiple professors for condoning free speech on university campuses and have expelled/arrested hundreds of university students for exercising their right.
excuses as to why China lags behind their neighbors
Good, then we both agree China should get more of the world trade.
Aaaaaaaaand drumpf is wrong for wanting to put an end to that becaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuse...?
Watch the John Thornton video I posted above, he puts it into perspective
BRI is also a failed initiative for construction purposes, where they go into a country, halfway build things, don't hire locally so the money just goes back to china, these poorer countries can't pay for these unfinished projects and then China just takes control of mineral rights/ports as compensation. Why would the US want to join this insanely corrupt initiative. It's far from good will or humanitarian, china just announces these big projects, doesn't finish them and then steals from the country as compensation.
Not historically. Historically China has had an even larger market for most of recorded human history.
China use to be a great county before the first opium war, and then the CCP which drove it backwards and decided they wanted to erase Chinese history and culture (until they realized it was a source of soft power and opened up the Confucius institute in 2004). It only really started to industrialize after Mao died and by then it was way behind.
Are you kidding? You DO need police approval to protest in the US, you can't just protest anywhere you like.
You aren't even reading you own link. You can protest anywhere you like in the US, police can do things like ask you to move out of the road if you are obstructing traffic or designate areas but they cannot stop you from protesting, which is why we have many impromptu protests all over. In China you need police or government approval to even be allowed to protest.
They fired two Ivy League presidents for not falling in line with the zionist agenda, they fired multiple professors for condoning free speech on university campuses and have expelled/arrested hundreds of university students for exercising their right.
Sure, and the zionist agenda in the US is a problem, because boomers were trained to worship Israel after WWII and AIPAC never had to register as a foreign PAC after Kennedy was assassinated.
This. Reminder that china and western nations worked in tandem during the covid hoax.
Also the banking history in china. I wonder where the rothschilds sent their gold
BRI is also a failed initiative
BRI has barely even begun. It's a long-term goal.
China use to be a great county before the first opium war, and then the CCP which drove it backwards and decided they wanted to erase Chinese history and culture (until they realized it was a source of soft power and opened up the Confucius institute in 2004). It only really started to industrialize after Mao died and by then it was way behind.
You're just posting opinions. By most hard metrics China today is better than it was immediately pre-opium war.
You aren't even reading you own link. You can protest anywhere you like in the US, police can do things like ask you to move out of the road if you are obstructing traffic or designate areas but they cannot stop you from protesting, which is why we have many impromptu protests all over. In China you need police or government approval to even be allowed to protest.
You need government approval to protest in any space that isn't public, and in some cases you need approval to protest in public spaces as well. And neither of these aren't even true anymore in the US as we've seen with the university protests. It's why you typically need to register or alert the city you're going to stage a protest, it's for approval, and why here in Canada they were allowed to dismantle the trucker convoy.
Yes, none of us dispute this
Only half correct. Because it's technically both. Chinese took advantage of western corporate greed.
Donald Trump is a 90s democrat.
Every position he holds is one democrats claimed to hold before their party became obsessed with gay sex under Obama.
She's literally an old roasty that gives no fucks for the future. He's line ends with her and she's worse than a nigger cause she can mentally look ahead into the future. Also she's just paid to spew shit out of her mouth. I hope she gets sand in her pussy.
I've been saying that for years.
Why should we care if American companies go bankrupt when they've sold out Americans for decades?
Rich white westerners partnered with rich whiteish jews and rich yellow communists to fuck everyone else.
That's the past 50 years of global politics summarized in a single sentence.
190 IQ post right here.
liberals will say this and then in the same breath say we cant force tariffs on China because it will hurt the bottom line of these same greedy CEOs
safety or environmental regulations
So things need to be expensive in order to not hurt the egos of muh wumun and PETA maniacs?
What's this? Simp Global economy?
you will own nothing and you will be happy, like an obedient beta cuck
BRI has barely even begun. It's a long-term goal.
BRI was started in 2013 and the only reason it exists is to expand China's power in poor nations to gain control of their resources while at the same time announcing to the world they are doing these big humanitarian projects, that of course they use their own people instead of hiring locally so money does not flow into those countries, while leaving a lot of them half done because these poor countries obviously cannot pay for them so they have to relinquish things like mining rights and ports.
You're just posting opinions. By most hard metrics China today is better than it was immediately pre-opium war.
When I say better, most countries are better now than they were 200 years ago because of modernization, but in terms of culture, China lost a lot of the culture that made it such a draw after the CCP decided to destroy Chinese history.
You need government approval to protest in any space that isn't public
You probably mean in public spaces, because you can do what you want on your own property. You do not need government approval though and people can just do it, standing on a street corner or marching in the street. In china you have to get approval from the government as per Article 7 of the law of the PRC on Assemblies, they can deny your approval depending on what you are protesting too. Trump can't ban a protest in front of Trump tower. In China people can't protest things like the zero COVID policy that was so disastrous and the CCP tracked down people who did at the blank paper protest, they tracked people down through their cellphones and even allegedly went after the paper manufacturers. Not to mention the Chinese internet and their tight controls over that that separates most of China from the world, outside of the VPN users.
Except people like you always forget about the logistics of getting shit from one place to another.
There's a reason piracy used to be a major concern during colonialism.
but piracy hasn't existed for a long time
Yeah, because when global trade is dominated by a single maritime power they are incentivized to suppress it.
This is what the US has been doing for 80 years now, and the British did for over a century before us.
In the world you're talking about where a major geopolitical rival is seeking to create a massive independent trade bloc, our incentive actually reverses.
In that situation the maritime powers of the world become incentivized to promote piracy each other to disrupt each other's trade networks.
This is what happened when the English and Spanish were competing for maritime supremacy and led to the age of piracy as we remember it.
The trade routes that China currently relies on to source raw materials from Africa and energy from the ME are currently 100% controlled by the US navy.
Yes they are international waters, but they are patrolled by the US navy and not really anybody else.
If the chinese chose to adopt an openly adversarial trade relationship with the US by cutting off trade relations and seeking to build an independent network what makes you think we would continue to keep those shipping lanes secure and wouldnt begin active piracy measures of our own.
We've seen how much the houthis have been able to disrupt trade already now just imagine what a group sympathetic to the west and armed and equipped with American weapons could do.
and the only reason it exists is to expand China's power in poor nations to gain control of their resources while at the same time announcing to the world they are doing these big humanitarian projects
You should talk less and listen more. Literally debunked several posts ago. Listen to this:
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When I say better, most countries are better now than they were 200 years ago because of modernization, but in terms of culture, China lost a lot of the culture that made it such a draw after the CCP decided to destroy Chinese history.
China is also better now than 200 years ago because of modernization.
In terms of history, because of meticulous record keeping and general preservation of artifacts, China still has more extant history and culture or their own today than most other countries. More than the US, more than England. Culture is not a pissing contest regardless so I don't know why you're bringing this up.
You probably mean in public spaces, because you can do what you want on your own property. You do not need government approval though and people can just do it, standing on a street corner or marching in the street
You can split hairs on the minutiae of protesting as much as you like, the demonstration rights of each country are effectively the same. You can protest anything you want anywhere as long as it doesn't cause civil unrest or as long as you're not protesting those in power.
Those are some reasons as to why manufacturing domestically is so much more expensive, because of the governmental rules and regulations make it more expensive. If we could have an underclass, like China has with rural people, it would be even cheaper, it's a reason why they push for illegal immigration in the US to pick crops for slave wages, because they want an underclass in the US, and it would lower the cost of labor as well as lower the quality of life for a lot of other people, but at least the line would go up, like it has steadily since the US was able to exploit cheap Chinese labor and lack of expensive safety standards, the top got richer, but the middle class started to be destroyed and businesses that couldn't move their manufacturing to China to avoid US regulations, would be destroyed, usually meaning small business.
It's our business when they deploy influence ops to try and steer our domestic politics to treat them more favorably.
I know we do this too, it's just want countries do, but that's the game that's being played and we're playing to win.
The cold hard reality is that there aren't enough resources on earth for everyone to have the lifestyle of Americans.
This means for us to stay prosperous, China needs to be suppressed.
That's just the way of things.
Might makes right.
I would point out that as a Canadian you benefit from this system too simply by existing in our shadow, however, I know that you are most likely not truly canadian but rather a chink living in Vancouver.
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chinese and american leaders wanted money and didn't give a shit about the lives of their people
is that confusing for some people to understand?
Finally we can have a real conversation.
You guys always make it so difficult by trying to gaslight people with some moral grandstanding.
Again, I'll direct you to the John Thornton video above:
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Because he skips the diatribe and gets straight to the heart of the matter.
In 2050 there will be 10 billion people on earth.
We can either ignore the pressing matters that plague humanity and might end our story on earth, or we can cooperate to solve real problems.
You want to talk about the greater good? That's the greatest good.
Yeah everybody knows it was the jews
antisemite bitch.
she
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Of course she's right, anyone can point out a problem. But does she have a solution? Because I do. It is called national socialism, but you would have to call it something else to market it today. No matter what you call it, it is a system of government that would have never allowed this mess to be made in the first place. The funny thing is, national socialism is the best compromise that would satisfy the most people on both the left and the right in the USA. Just have to rename it. Let me be clear that I am only refferring to national socialism as a system and philosophy of government, separate from the ideal of the NSDAP regime. Every nation will implement national socialism differently. China has already. Some Muslim nations as well. The only people that do not want it are the billionaire elites. It doesn't benefit them at all. Everybody else prospers.
Carl Weiss wasn't a Jew. He was a German-American.
With Jewish ancestry
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That's the thing, I'm not interested in the greater good.
Nobody is.
I'm interested in the wellbeing of myself and my family.
BY extension this means I'm interested in the wellbeing of my nation (it's easier to prosper in a prosperous nation).
It unlikely that we will reach 10bn people.
Current estimates put the current carrying capacity of the planet with modern technology at 11bn, but we will see a collapse of social order and global supply chains long before that point that will lead to wars and famine.
Life isn't fair though, so these events will mostly affect the developing world as opposed to the developed world.
There's a reason some countries had a head start during industrialization, they have better geographies that allow them to concentrate economic power internally and thus project military power externally.
There is a reason china fell behind the western world during the Renaissance era.
They lack the domestic resources to be an industrial power.
China has only been able to industrialize in the last century because of access to the global market that allowed them to acquire raw materials.
China lacks the force projection power to establish their own colonial empire, particularly if they are being actively resisted by the US in their attempt.
Meanwhile, the US has all of the basics domestically to have an industrial economy and support force projection capabilities.
That's not to say autarky would be a luxurious lifestyle for the average American, im just saying it's a viable option if shit hits the fan.
And given the current developments in Pakistan the global temperature has risen just a bit higher.
Peter ziehan is the strategist who has done the analysis on all of this, and he predicted that as the global trade system collapsed there would be 5 major wars that occurred as a result.
Ukrain-russia was the first, pakistan-india appears to be the second and israel-iran seems likely to be the third.
You should talk less and listen more. Literally debunked several posts ago.
Listen to this:
He doesn't debunk anything there, I don't know if the timestamp was wrong, but he's just talking about Kerry not getting the BRI project to Obama and that it's for
harmony between man an nature, common prosperity
these are all buzz words, he doesn't actually talk about the BRI project or any of the specifics or what they are doing other than the talking points you would read in a CCP propaganda pamphlet.
In terms of history, because of meticulous record keeping and general preservation of artifacts, China still has more extant history and culture or their own today than most other countries. More than the US, more than England. Culture is not a pissing contest regardless so I don't know why you're bringing this up.
The main thing that was preserved was the state archives, but the CCP during the cultural revolution destroyed millions of texts, artifacts and temples, it wasn't even until the 80s when they started rebuilding their history, even editing ancient texts with state propaganda, the rewriting of Chinese history intensified after Tiananmen Square. A lot of China's history was lost because of the communists and their forced destruction of four olds. But culture IS a form of soft power, something the CCP didn't realize it wanted on the world stage until recently, when they brought back the Confucius institute in 2004, which generally aligns with CCP talking points, as rewriting history is a big part of CCP legitimacy.
You can split hairs on the minutiae of protesting as much as you like, the demonstration rights of each country are effectively the same.
They are definitely not, in China you need approval from the authorities and they can deny your request based on what you are protesting. No such thing exists in the US because the right to protest whatever you want is guaranteed, they are not the same at all.
I'm interested in the wellbeing of myself and my family.
The wellbeing of your family is directly tied to the greater good in the context we're speaking about.
Watch the fucking video and stop talking.
John Thornton is talking about the near future, 2050.
If you allow the US to initiate WWIII in the next decade, your family are going to be ash if they haven't starved to death. To say nothing of climate change.
He doesn't debunk anything there, I don't know if the timestamp was wrong, but he's just talking about Kerry not getting the BRI project to Obama and that it's for
Keep listening dude, he literally says BRI is not a malevolent tactic to get control of the world on part of the Chinese.
these are all buzz words, he doesn't actually talk about the BRI project or any of the specifics or what they are doing other than the talking points you would read in a CCP propaganda pamphlet.
That part specifically is about "chinese modernization". BRI is part of the chinese modernization project but they're not hte same thing.
The main thing that was preserved was the state archives, but the CCP during the cultural revolution destroyed millions of texts, artifacts and temples, it wasn't even until the 80s when they started rebuilding their history, even editing ancient texts with state propaganda, the rewriting of Chinese history intensified after Tiananmen Square. A lot of China's history was lost because of the communists and their forced destruction of four olds. But culture IS a form of soft power, something the CCP didn't realize it wanted on the world stage until recently, when they brought back the Confucius institute in 2004, which generally aligns with CCP talking points, as rewriting history is a big part of CCP legitimacy.
And they still have more extant preservation of their history than England does of their own. Again you're betrayed by your hyperfocus on standards of China you don't apply to anyone else.
They are definitely not, in China you need approval from the authorities and they can deny your request based on what you are protesting.
Actually, you don't lol. You can stand on a street corner loudly protesting your local official and no one cares in China.
No such thing exists in the US because the right to protest whatever you want is guaranteed
Again, debunked a few posts ago >youtube.com
She's not wrong, but she's missing the point.
China has 100% been abusing the trade deficit by applying tariffs on USA while USA hasn't been applying tariffs on China.
you no
he literally says BRI is not a malevolent tactic to get control of the world on part of the Chinese.
Well yeah, he's not going to be giving a talk at a Chinese university if he was going to say it was malevolent, he doesn't talk about anything substantive as to what they are doing or why it's good, just that it is an attempt to modernize China.
Actually, you don't lol. You can stand on a street corner loudly protesting your local official and no one cares in China.
You can, but you can be arrested for that, you need government approval
For the holding of an assembly, a procession or a demonstration for which an application has to be made under this Law, the responsible person(s) must submit an application in writing to the competent authorities five days prior to the date of the activity. The application shall specify the purposes of the assembly, procession or demonstration, how it is going to be conducted, the posters and slogans to be used, the number of participants, the number of vehicles, the specifications and quantities of the sound facilities to be used, the starting and finishing time, the places (including places where the participants assemble and disperse), the route, and the name(s), occupation(s) and address(es) of the person(s) responsible for the assembly, procession or demonstration.
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This is nothing similar to the US. They can also reject your application to protest as well.
Again, debunked a few posts ago
That doesn't debunk anything, BLM protests were happening all over the country, the only time they shut them down was when they get violent, and even then they allowed them to riot. There was no censorship of the BLM protests (riots) that those far leftists are defending. The protests on campus became obstructive to students, you have the right to protest, the campuses are also not public spaces but the crackdowns on them were only because of the Israel first members of government.
The trade deficit pretext is also bunk btw.
China has 100% been abusing the trade deficit
Fucking lol.
Do you even know why the trade deficit exists? It was created by design in 1971.
The US in the 1960s started noticing a growing deficit which signaled the imminent decline of empires, so they (Volker, Kissinger) hatched a plan to leverage the US trade deficit into boon by means of making the USD the reserve currency. They went to Saudi Arabia to convince them to adopt the petrodollar. That way, the USD will always be desirable and the negative effects of trade deficit could be mitigated.
So US borrowed a shit ton of money from itself to buy foreign goods en masse. German and Japanese cars, electrics etc. These foreign holders of capital in turn used that money and pumped it directly back into wallstreet and US real estate. So the whole trade deficit was not only the US' fault, but by design.
Why are they complaining about it now? Because there are payment systems and currencies threatening to sidestep the USD entirely, which poses an existential threat to the US because if USD ceases to be the world reserve currency, all the deficit spending will come home to roost, and the US will collapse for real.
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Coal country here. Been bustin’ knuckles and drinkin’ bottom-shelf bourbon since Bush Sr. Called Biden “Sleepy Joe” until my jaw hurt.
Then I saw this hand-blown crystal dragon bong from Guangzhou. Had LED eyes and a USB charger. I don’t even smoke anymore—I just needed to feel again.
$112 to order.
$138 in “ceremonial glassware counterbalance fees.” Said it was part of a 2020 “China deterrent initiative” that I once called “genius” on a call-in radio show.
Now I sit on the porch starin’ at the damn thing like it’s judgment made solid. Ate one egg for breakfast. One. Like it’s the Great Depression, but with shame accessories.
no shit, sherlock
it was the response to marxist unions making demands
She's halfway there. Exploitation of their lower classes to work in dogshit conditions for the benefit of the Han.
Well yeah, he's not going to be giving a talk at a Chinese university if he was going to say it was malevolent, he doesn't talk about anything substantive as to what they are doing or why it's good, just that it is an attempt to modernize China.
WATCH THE FUCKING TALK DUDE.
He literally later on goes to demarcate things he's critical on China about and states bluntly where he curtails his opinion. The BRI is simply not an area he holds any critical opinion on China about.
This is why you need to listen before you talk.
You can, but you can be arrested for that, you need government approval
Same as the US.
This is nothing similar to the US. They can also reject your application to protest as well.
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You live under a rock. The same and worse things are already happening in the US right now.
That doesn't debunk anything, BLM protests were happening all over the country, the only time they shut them down was when they get violent, and even then they allowed them to riot.
Google the current university student Free Palestine protests. They literally arrested hundreds of non-violent protestors exercising free speech in spaces designated for free speech protest on university campuses, and Trump is witholding tens of millions of dollars from multiple universities in funding to coerce them to crack down with authoritarian police force on the students. And this is after they fire presidents, fired professors, and are staging hostile takeovers on university boards:
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Another full video on this exact topic.