link: youtube.com
summary of the conclave so far: Storm clouds gather over Europe, mistrust and rivalries between realms threaten to break and flood the world in a tide of total war.
link: youtube.com
summary of the conclave so far: Storm clouds gather over Europe, mistrust and rivalries between realms threaten to break and flood the world in a tide of total war.
Any betting sites
Yes but it is against Canon law to bet on the Pope. Just to make you aware.
youtube.com
Here is the CNBC Chimney Cam! There is currently a white bird on the roof.
Seagull and blackbird confirmed!
None of the most papabili cardinals will be elected, it will be a no name no one and al the people who have bet money will lose.
What are we eatan?
Does anyone have the edits from the 2013 Pope watch threads?
doesnt this shit take like 2 weeks
more like 2 days
Yeah see pic, Kalshi
PEDOPHILE SMOKE
Are the top ones based?
Parolin is not based, and Tagle is the complete opposite of based
Pizzaballa is very based because he's the Patriarch of Jerusalem and knows exactly what the small hats do to our people when they're in power
I'm excited about following this.
.
I wanna choose Rightist Peter Erdo. Perhaps Roman Catholicism may be like that way, but the Vatican is still a White European State whether you like it or not.
Far Right AWPer White Power Worldwide.
if not Pizzaballa, I will be happy with Erdo or Eijk
Pizzaballa was the Cardinal in Israel and has been outspoken in his opinion that the Jews are the aggressors in the conflict. He's not some Trad hero but he is much more experienced in dealing with Jews, Muslims and Christians directly in the hot zone.
The European and African Cardinals aren't huge fans of Israel and the Jews. Obviously it is the American Cardinals who are all "But Israel is our Ally!?!" Fortunately most of the actual Pedophile Cardinals have been weeded out by Francis of all people. The South American Cardinals are the issue they love themselves some Socialism in their faith. Asian Cardinals are a grab bag.
Pizzaballa is the most trad by focusing primarily on missionary activity as the Apostles did, rather than internal church politics
yes we want traditional liturgy to be restored, but we have to start with bringing back the spirit of Catholicism into everyday life
Parolin is a misleading top, people buy him because he’s the current Secretary of State of the Vatican but betters are ignoring that he was almost convicted of embezzling Vatican funds. Tagle is not based but he’s also unlikely. Betters think he’s like Francis so they bet on him, but truth is he’s an unknown quantity, new to the Vatican, and way too young (67). The cardinals want someone who will bring stability and is super old (because they like the idea of being able to vote again in the pope in the near future)
You do that by restoring the Traditional Liturgy. When people see the reverence of the Liturgy they understand the importance of it. When people understand the importance it increases their faith. When Faith increases people wish to spread it and receive more of the graces. By spreading the faith and graces they bring more people back.
Satan what are you doing.
Pizzaballa also says he masses in latin
The most funny thing is that the Trad Catholics are sort of pegging for a Francis II so they can keep on the attack. If a true moderate or moderate Trad sympathetic was elected they think it would take a lot of air out of the sails.
Francis did one amazing thing and that was mobilizing a lot of people against the people who hijacked Vatican 2.
the woman talks about diversity and representation
of course
Flying saucer!? Ayy pope!?
Fortunately even Francis said no girls allowed and pretty much everyone has shit upon the notion that Christians ever had Female Priest.
my guess is tomorrow afternoon. I don't think it's like Ratzinger, when everyone knew going in who it was going to be
: Storm clouds gather over Europe
Nope
mistrust and rivalries between realms threaten to break and flood the world in a tide of total war.
Not in Europe and Russia is defeated and America is in decline..
Yes but it is against Canon law to bet on the Pope. Just to make you aware.
Thank you.
our theology comes from the way we pray, so the liturgy is very important, but first we need to make the decision to pray
before trying to convince the world why the Latin Mass is beautiful and substantial, we should convince them to ask God for forgiveness
That's because libtards work slowly. He already promoted women to positions they never had before which is how it starts. Cope, you fucking cuckservative nigger.
Interesting
That makes sense but there are plenty of popes elected in their 60s throughout the 20th century.
Calm down bro. Have an apple. It might help you think ;D
Agree to disagree on the Mass but getting people to pray is a whole other mess. It's easier to change the Mass then get people to pray for anything that requires decipline and graces. You won't get it with some big showy public speech or miracles or fiery sermons. After all Jesus had 5000 following him and by the time of his death only 3 were left to pray beneath his cross.
Everything I said was true and obvious
I've brought people to Latin Masses before, but unless their hearts are open, they don't get much out of it
the crisis that prompted Vatican II was spiritual, not liturgical
we should of course fix the liturgy, but we face the same spiritual rot in the world today
I know. I was just making a small joke. I forgot how important this process and institution is for people. My bad.
I didn't get the joke sorry
chances of eastern catholic POPE?
SARAH CARDINALIS!
kino atmosphere
I'm a catholic and I don't care about this bullshit. The only pope I cared about was John Paul II. The rest can suck a dick
JPII was the worst pope of the 20th century, I hope we don't repeat that
Zuppi will be the new pope and you Chuds will seethe
actually JP the first was the worst.
swearing an oath of secrecy
IN PUBLIC
Mama mia...
What a timeline
Were any you even around during the 2013 pope watch?
Nope. This is my first one. I'm learning a lot.
how long will this conclave run for? I'm guessing Habemus Papam withing 24 hrs
SarahBros, how are we feeling?
I'm writing in Pizzaballa. He's based and redpilled. Hates EVs.
Not Great. Thinking it'll be Pizzaballa which is a pretty good alternative thqh.
To be honest, I don't want a mega conservative either. Pizzaballa is moderate enough for me, even though he clearly leans to the right.
If he is as traditionalist then I'm all for it.
Pizzaballa is way too young. Modern Cardinals do not want a long Papacy as they do not want a JPII repeat. A shorter reign means that there's another chance for the Cardinals that survive the next conclave.
we don't know what the cardinals will look for
Fair enough, but for all we know, the cardinals may want to commit to a long term pope, if he is the right man.
God is the one choosing the next pope, however.
No
the Indian cardinal's name is Anthony Poola
0% and they wouldn't want it because they'd have to perform the Latin Rite.
Door shut
WHY
Here we go
Jesus wasn't even a real person, you dummies
pic related
Richard Carrier isn't a real person
The papacy is a sham. They believe that muslims, dindus and Jews can be saved without Jesus according to Vatican II. Turn to orthodox christianity.
Rolling for Swedish Pope
We would be able to dab Cath fags for decades to come.
yiff in hell, furfag
Richard Carrier isn't a real person
We have archaeological, numismatic, primary and secondary manuscript evidence for a historical Richard Carrier. None of those things for Jesus, it goes without saying.
Dick carrier
MIGHT have reason for DOUBT
The absolute state of heathens.
Jesus isn't real
written by some literal who 2000 years after Jesus died
In recent years, Carrier has been accused of engaging in unwanted sexual advances at skeptic and atheist conventions.
Carrier discusses his upbringing in a benign Methodist church, his conversion to Taoism
University of California, Berkeley
Once you have opened your mind you can see the seams of reality the glowies try to hide but I see them.
Jesus the wethead
alhamdulillah, shut your mouth, inshallah.
But what if you're not a catholic
For me, it's Pizzaballa
Vorbesti engleza, you fat gypsy
Alright where’s the secret stream
MEL GIBSON FOR PAPACY
It is a sin for me to encourage anyone Catholic or not to sin. It's all the same.
Based Black Man Cardinal Sarah is the white man's choice.
Pope Pepperoni Pizzaballa
The OG furry
Talking Donkeys
wouldn't it be the other way around?
Turkelton would be better
I watched the first series of this again just after Christmas. I was astonished at the Christmas episode where Turk is pulling out his cross and stuff. It was a proper wholesome episode and it got me thinking about how that would never be allowed today.
EYYYY I'M POPIN' 'ERE FUGHETTA ABAHT IT
ruler of the roman church comes from country that btfo said church in 30 years war
Don't see how that would be a W for papists
important
conclavoscope.com
If the smoke is white at the first attempt i will wear a maiden outfit.
Because he converted to roman church?
All heil pope seagull
As long as it's not the MAGA pope backed by Trump and Vance, I'm good
MAGA pope backed by Trump and Vance
Who's the Indian cardinal?
5% chance of an amerimutt becoming Pope
I would go full atheist if this happen
Vigano isn't a bishop anymore
No chance it happens. Francis kinda hated the American church so he stacked the Cardinals against it.
watching sky news coverage
they keep asking if the next pope will allow whore to be priests
Why are bongs like this
Isn't Parolin practically out of the running from recent health problems?
what's the best way to keep track of all the smoke signals? any newsletter, social media account, rss etc that sends every result and no other spam?
Probably Twitter
He's still a Bishop but he was declared to be in Schism and excommunicated until he repents. I have a feeling that the new Pope if he is even a little moderate will try to reconcile things. Though who knows how long that can take and it could end up another SSPX fiasco.
I don't think there is a single cardinal that likes the US, not even the one who's from there.
The next pope has already been chosen years ago. This is all bread and circus for the plebs.
It does not matter which puppet will win but I am 100% sure he will accelerate the One world religion, one world goverment agenda or force a religion war vs Islam.
I'm sure catholics will obey this rule, just like they do all the others.
Rainbow smoke when?
Black means they voted but the ballot failed. They burn the ballot and the person can no longer be submitted to be Pope.
This sort of works out to filter through the candidates until they find one everyone agrees upon.
8p smoke
Damn that's only an hour away
get ready for pope pinoy!
Bookmark this so you can see i'm right
They burn the ballot and the person can no longer be submitted to be Pope.
lol what
it's all the same rounds of voting that needs 2/3 majority
Only after 33 rounds of voting they only vote for the top 2 candidates and noone else, both the candidates themselves cannot vote
Black smoke means there has been no elected pope.
White smoke means there has been an elected pope.
Gray smoke means there is Schrodinger's elected pope.
Blue smoke means the cardinals started marathoning Breaking Bad.
Green smoke means the cardinals are high.
Red smoke means one of the cardinals cut themselves over the ballots and stained all the votes with blood, so they have to revote.
Yellow smoke means the Vatican has been moved to Mexico somehow.
Brown smoke means someone in the conclaved ordered in Taco Bell and is sharting violently into the furnace.
Purple smoke means the Grimace shake has returned to the Vatican McDonalds for a limited time.
Orange smoke means Trump has been elected pope.
Maroon smoke means that there will be a special interim appearance by Maroon 5.
Gold smoke means King Midas has been elected pope.
White smoke way above the chimney doesn't mean an elected pope. It means it's cloudy.
Black and white smoke together means two cardinals are engaged in a pretty ripping game of chess right now and thus the vote can't be concluded until one of them wins or they agree to a draw.
No smoke after nightfall means someone forgot the matches.
Orange and yellow flickering from the top of the chimney means that the conclave room has been incinerated.
Foaming slime from the top of the chimney means someone overdid the elephant's toothpaste experiment inside.
No chimney means Marisa stole it.
Why 33? What an odd number to stop at.
reference for expedition 33 and checked
digits
Olive smoke = new pope has declared war on Italy
nice
You wrote all that just to tell us you come from reddit?
Nope, like this:
I come from Reddit whats up
WHEN FIRST SMOKE??
Kek
U mad?
I would have thought yellow smoke meant they elected a ching chong nigger like yourself, kwang. Surprised your eyes open up enough to see your keyboard.
I'm not Kwang.
Kwang's the guy who fucks my boyfriend.
should have already happened 25 minutes ago. They are probably stabbing each other trying to get to the chimney first, hence the delay
Pope Ruff
All in all pizzaballa my life savings boys I 20x my money if I am right. I need to pay the bills
There's also going to be bells if there's white smoke
This guy put out a schedule and today it should be 8pm vatican time. After today, it will be 12pm and 7pm vatican time.
So, 35 minutes
Fuck this, I just know that as soon as I go buy groceries the smoke is going to come out.
I am going right now, can't delay any longer.
88
What a timeline
The masons said they should do it.
No no, we'll wait for you. Everybody drop everything, anons in a hurry.
They aren't going to pick one so quickly so don't worry.
you're probably fine, in the past the white smoke comes pretty early when they've made a decision. my guess is black smoke today.
really soon, they are late
Side question, how good are those cardinal robes for smuggling a hard-on?
Pretty sure they get patted down before entering
Rolling for Sarah
They have to hike it up and get cavity searched.
rerolling because anon's digits don't count.
Rerolling
Rolling for the Kurgan
Fuck it, reroll
Rolling for PIZZABALLA
pizzaballa
holla pope pizzaballa lmao
mama mia its a pizzaballa
pope pepperoni pizzaballa boppity-boo
Yeshua of Nazareth has more direct evidence for his existence than Alexander the Great.
rolling for pizzaball
pope pepperoni pizzaballa
Pizzaballer or bust
fag purge imminent
Qrd in the candidates? Which one is the most chud-like?
I ate pizza for dinner, completely ignorant of these proceedings.
It is a SIGN from GOD.
Holla Pizzaballa
ERDO ERDO ERDO
Nigga this is a horrible idea (not speaking out of my bias for Erdo, gambling le bad)
Sarah, Muller or the Hungarian guy.
I am back, thanks for waiting
Why is everyone shilling Pizzaballa?
Simply curious.
Even the Catholics are Masons...
Funny and memeable name
His name and his has an interesting career with his work in jerusalem
Them niggas voted yet?
for memes because of name and because he's a more conservative cardinal
Yes, yes, but what are his stances on major issues? I can't seem to find anything on him.
Likely because it's the age of Christ when he was crucified, masons have nothing to do with it.
what are his stances on major issues?
Nobody knows actually, he's been quite sneaky about that from what I understand.
Most people are probably just doing it for the meme but in reality he is probably the best candidate, the only problem is that he's young and it would mean signing up for basically a 30 year papacy assuming he doesn't die from unexpected cause
I think it's possible that the lib and conservative sides will run their guys, get dead locked and then Pizzaballa may be the guy people turn to when the old guys can't secure the 2/3s
Pope Alberto Barbosa I
As conservative as Sarah/Burke/Erdo?
Honestly, I'll be happy with anyone who isn't Tagle.
See, that's where I'm reticent cause I can find all the information I want on any other papabile but him. I'll at least give him the benefit of the doubt on the account that he's not Tagle but uuuuuuhhh I don't want a pope that is more liberal than Francis.
Name, conservative, young, and most importantly Italian.
Yeah I was being funny. Masons got it from the Christians, not the other way around.
I like hearing the seagulls in the livecam bg...
I hope the next pope will be an ayyy LMFAO without his human disguise for the ultimate global shocking disclosure.
Dziekuje, brat.
He doesn't seem to be the worst candidate... here's hoping...
naah more conservative leaning than purist conservative
Pretty much the biggest surprise of the day would be White Smoke.
HABEMUS PEPEM!
Ayy pope comes out and confirms Jesus is the son of God
That would be pretty wild
Yes, it usually takes a few days
Would that not imply they had someone in mind from the start?
Pretty scary thought honestly.
WHERE SMOKE?
CLAP
Is we getting another stimulus check when there is a new pope
anyone got a lighter?????
Tagle wont get elected because he sang Imagine, whatever libtard inertia they had is gone
They might go for Pizzaballa but then pivot to Parolin tomorrow as compromise
Hoping for Erdo
More like....
Ayy pope comes out and confirms Jesus was a joke and humanity is just a science experiment for class.
if it's pizzaballa I'm converting from prot
Fasting until the end of conclave in the hope that the Spirit brings the Cardinals wisdom and prudence.
Pizza Balla 0 % chance.
Is too young. 60 y old, Pope for 25-27y.
The next Pope are Age over 78y.
0% italian. 0% murica. 0% south America.
I bet for french cardinal from marseille or french algerian.
how? he lived 1 moon
no sane catholic wants tagle
too liberal
Yes but that isn't necessarily terrible Pope Pius XII was elected faster then any Pope ever and he was supposed to be a Modernist only he turned around and
During his papacy, the Catholic Church issued the Decree against Communism, declaring that Catholics who profess the atheistic and materialist doctrines of communism are to be excommunicated as apostates from the Christian faith.
He explicitly invoked ex cathedra papal infallibility with the dogma of the Assumption of Mary in his Apostolic constitution Munificentissimus Deus.
So yeah even if the Modernist get "Their Guy" it tends to blow up in their face.
What if someone had a medical or lavatory incident during the vooting as a reason for the delay?
HABEMUS POOPAM!
Argentinian commie appointed about 2/3rds of current voting cardinals and mostly from turd world countries
I'm holding you to it
I think me Hadrian should be pope, was the first english, could be first norwegian. what do I do my frens?
BIRD
Fed up with the seagulls and their attention whoring
THE SEAGULL IS THE NEW POPE
Thirdie Catholics are hardly liberal
It's Easter you are doing a good thing but remember that the Ressurecion of our Lord Jesus circumvents all fasting. Do what you feel called to do but do not Fast on Sunday that is my only recommendation.
Also Pray your Rosary.
CAW CAW CAW
Too young.
Pope for 25-28 years????
Naaaaaa
Erdo wins after 33 days
Names himself Peter II
immediately excommunicates all nonwhites
calls a crusade against france and UK
turd worlders are turd worlders no matter the cloth they wear, I thought you people would know this by now
shitskins vote shitskins no matter the scenario
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
These cardinals do have a flair for the dramatic
Wheres the fucking smoke already??
A Filipino Catholic - liberal?
THIS HYMN ON BISHOP BARRONS LIVESTREAM IS WONDERFUL.
CAN ANYONE IDENTIFY IT?
I feel like I'm in 1425 in Notre Dame.
Mama mia!
smoke within 10 minutes, checkem
33
I AM ENTERTAINED
yes he dabbles into LGBT shit even hardline catholics here hate that shit
The Easter octave is over though.
What are they waiting for? Some of us have things to do baka
it's 2025
time for a jewish pope
No other place on earth heralds this amount of influence or soft power.
Meh, in that case i hope for a nigger pope.
keeping your ID attached to your phone so if they steal your phone you also lose your ID
woman moment
I want to be pope, elect me
t. Hadrian
Hard to tell it's Latin though.
she likely also carries it in her hand and has no wallet
Years ago we would have a live feed on reddit, instead now we have to post on fucking 4channel.
There is at least one other place...
Oh shoot it is thanks I've been lapsed lately so I forgot.
Personally, I would like Erdo or Pizzaballa. Parolin is too sick.
Any pope that enshrines the freedom of any priest for TLM is fine by me.
soft power
This is real power.
Don't these take days?
China.
You don't need a pope to do nothing and win.
Would be interesting to have a very long lasting pope in this time of change, though. He could be the bridge between postmodernity and the next age.
Peter II
Nobody has the audacity to ever do this
Pius XIII would be nice though
Maybe among the current crop of cardinals, but you never know. Clownworld have been especially harsh to us.
Are there ANY candidates besides the Africans that aren’t pro-fag? What the hell happened to the Church?
what happened to the flags?
I appreciate the advice and concern, but I believe that devotional fasting is only discouraged/prohibited during the Octave, not the entirety of Easter.
A homosexual faction of the Vatican has controlled Church policy for decades. How do you think Vatican II got past the traditionalists?
Still Easter though! @_@; till the Pentecost.
Erdö
excommunicates 90% of catholic believers
Was this part of your master plan?
We literally just had one
Erdo or Pizzaballa
I feel the same way. Both are relatively conservative and both are European.
some guy said he saw the philipino winning in his dream so my bet is on him
Rolling for Alexander IX
Your top guy would be Erdo and then Pizzaballa after that
This conclave is literally the most important conclave of the last 2,000 years, the presidential election in 2024 was like a shadow/ precursor of this
Watch as dipshit christcucks who claim to be racist but accept Italian women as their allies pick another man to put above their own lord and savior Jesus for political points
No thanks
fucking seagull, man
Bros why are they taking so long? I am getting worried
was that really the most ridiculous part of my post
nonwhites dont have souls anyway
im euphoric, just here for cinema
which one is advocating for israel, and bringing in 10 billion immigrants into white countries? he'll probably win this season of "who wants to be the pope?".
all of them, catholicism is turd worldism now
you just get to see if he has a funny name or not
We need a black pope.
Pope Urban LXIX
So technically there's no "candidates" at all. But outside of a select few areas, most bishops explicitly affirm traditional teaching on sodomy.
was that really the most ridiculous part of my post
Yes
I wonder if one of those old fuckers keeled over in there.
You'd be surprised to know that eastern syriac rite has the same level of complexity, depth and symbolism as the traditional latin mass.
1. someone had an infarction
2. someone shat himself
3. someone controversial won, many didn't like the result, massive ramblings and debate inside Sistine
anon, catholicism was always a jewish vehicle.
When even Satan knows the importance of Faith moar than alot of these so called CINOS in USA|and I am sure other countries -- praising abortion and in 1 case doing the Signum Crusis.
Kino alert
youtube.com
maybe the early jewish christianity
all the pomp, traditions and teachings are deeply european now
unfortunately still based on jewish religion
Ideas on what name the new pope will choose? If hes black I hope he pick Urban or Innocent kek
And that's a wrap, we have white smoke coming from the Vatican.
John Ellis Bush has been elected the next Pope of the Catholic Churc. He plans to take the papal name Jeb I.
Not particularly surprising.
Despite its beauty, the Tridentine Mass is less complex than virtually all Eastern Liturgies.
Boniface is a cute name
heeb on a stick since day 1
romans should have killed every single follower day 1.
People can say whatever they want but there's nothing quite kino like the Catholic Church
IM PHONEFAGGING, BAKE A NEW ONE
do they need to borrow a lighter
Orthodox is based and has more mysticism
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
George the whatever
Mercurius
imagine wasting your day watching this shit lmao
Yaaaaay <(^-^)> welcome fren
orthodoxy is aesthetic, but as you say in a more mystic,esoteric sense. Catholicism is pure art kino aesthetic thanks to the Rennaisance
pepperoni pizza for me, Tony
Ebonicus
This. Church attendance plummeted after Vatican II. Every Church should bring the communion rails back, get rid of Eucharistic ministers and ban communion on the hand.
Orthodoxy is also the true church because of filioque and doesn't worship niggers and jews.
Also, it's literally called the original, how obvious can it get.
not enjoying watching a thousand year old legacy unfold in front of you
pleb
I am surprised they even allowed the cameras inside for that small of amount of time.
This is freaking boring. Off to play vidya.
Go to a TLM (traditional latin mass), it's just as mystic
1000 year old legacy doesnt mean shit if the church supports homos or picks a nigger to be the pope. wtf even is catholicism anymore at this point?
and jews.
there are quite a few online Orthodox apologists who simp for Zionism and Jews. Many orthodox priests sheltered jews from the Germans
no thanks I don't want to wash nigger feet and kiss faggots and apologize for being white
NEW THREAD
NEW THREAD
Orthodoxy is also the true church because of filioque and doesn't worship niggers and jews.
it does worship gypsies though
just look at any Slav country that's Orthodox: everybody declares themselves Orthodox and everybody behaves like a gypsy
you just spam on threads that you aren't interested in, like a street shitter shitting in the middle of the street, right?
history is dynamic and comes and goes in waves One era we have a liberal church, the next one we'll have a conservative one etc etc. During the Rennaisance we had a pope who literally turned the Vatican into a Bachannalian temple where he fucked whores.
One time it took three years and the Romans got so angry the bricked up the building and collapsed the roof kek Cardinals died
Every Church should bring the communion rails back
Some Novus Ordo where I am do both standing and kneeling at the rail now. One of the churches my ma goes to is a modern church so never had one to begin with but the priest uses a portable prayer kneeler normally used in benediction, it's all coming back.
nobody cares little bro, this isn't the thread for your little larp
Thank you Satan good advice
The original christians weren't even white dumbo.
Pizzaballa is the perfect mix of rad trad and mercy while btfo the small hats with a touch of the globohomo for the boomers. He is our guy
Australia has a Ukrainian orthodox Catholic cardinal it’s weird. He’s like 40
Catholicism is based because white women actually prefer BBC. I saw it on blacked.
Catholicism has Eastern and Western aesthetics though...
Francis kinda hated the American church
Don’t we all
black smoke
fail!
I hope he doesn’t. Vigano is an operation warp speed war crime Trump supporting self aggrandising moron. Only about himself. Cardinal Pell knew what was up with dat nigger
filioque
Half of EO have adopted the filioque because the east's original position on this was so retarded.
and doesn't worship niggers and jews.
All EO Metropolitans are in Africa or Asia. Lmao.
Also, it's literally called the original, how obvious can it get.
It's not literally called original. It's not even figuratively called original. I don't know how you managed to be exactly 180° from reality on everything.
black smoke. the nigger is elected.
non sequitur right there
Kek converts. Cradle Catholics would never