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seething

Two more weeks?
are the walls closing in, OP

They can't do shit cope and seethe harder faggot

They don't have that power, OP is a faggot nigger and everyone in this thread is a fucking chatbot.

It's a tax, taxes are passed by congress rather than one man because they have massive economic effects and you wouldn't want a senile Biden changing tax law with no one to stop him.

funny you didn't say that about inflation.

federal judge

Oh so some federal judge in a blue state will say FUCK DRUMPF and everyone will clap! followed by nothing happening

Inflation isn't a tax.
If you want to argue that all elected officials should be forced to sell all assets so they are 100% in dollars and incentivised to minimize inflation then I would agree with you.

It’s a tax

It is not a tax because manufacturers, distributers, and retailers could all eat the cost and just like them you could the consumer choose not to pay
You don’t have a choice to pay taxes
It’s about choices

the government collecting money from the private sector isn't a tax.

Please define tax.

if courts so mighty that each judge can make any law or strike any order by themselves then why the fuck do we even need a legislative and executive branches for?

another nigger raising his hand begging to be ignored and have their nigger ego hurt

kinda wild that they do this to themselves at this point

By my calculations, there are at least seven trannies in this thread.

Congress gave all their powers to the president because they don't want to work and they are essentially in office to vote on one issue that their sponsors put in place.

Inflation is more of a tax than any tariff, even if it will never be identified as such.

A tax is moneys levied by governments
For the exchange of goods and services or other instruments such as real property, capital gains, income etc.

It technically isn't a tax as money isn't transferred from the people to the government but the value of that money is transferred from the people to the fed reserve.
I think inflationary currency is a compete scam and needs to be ended but as capitalism is dependant on constant growth we would need to move away from capitalism at the same time. Share prices can't increase any faster than the profit of the company without inflationary currency.

Good definition, so why is the government tell all importers they need to pay money to the government not a tax?

They have a say on if emergency powers can be used. The fact that Trump is now claiming that pedowood filming locations is of national security importance, is just more evidence that he's calling everything an emergency just to bypass congress

ELON IS MAKING GOVERNMENTAL DECISIONS, EVEN THOUGH HE IS NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL!

Well, you see, this unelected official that was appointed by a previous hostile administration and who also can serve-for-life should have the capability to strike down the decisions of a separate branch of government.

lmao spare me. The only hilarious part will be in 4 years when this shit is happening on the other foot and leftists will scream to abolish federal judges.

Whether you agree with the tariffs or not, Trump has unquestionably has the authority to impose them. Congress gave the President the power and can take it back if they get 2/3rds in each chamber to override a veto.

Congress gave the President the power

Bill number?

You won't do shit.

Requiring a certain sector to pay duties on imported goods that then has a choice to pass that onto other parties in commerce is not a tax in the way you are trying to a imply it is
When you buy gas’s everyone has to pay “the gas tax” regardless of how much
When you buy a Chinese sex doll only the importer has to pay the import costs and then has a choice wether to pass that coast on or to absorb it or to not import it at all
Duties and taxes are similar but again it comes down to choices you don’t have a choice to not pay taxes unless it pertains to a specific action like choosing to not buy gas

that then has a choice to pass that onto other parties in commerce

What does that have to do with anything?
You could tell your employer you want to pay your own payroll tax and they should pay you 15% less, that doesn't mean it isn't a tax.

You red faggots deserve to hang from trees by the neck.

It is a tax on the importer but only them as I said it is not a tax in the way it is being suggested as a tax on the consumer that is required to pay by the government because it is the supply chain that decides who pays the coast
So in essence a tariff is a supply chain coast like shipping and not a tax like property or income tax

Trump has the power to enact tariffs in emergencies but he is currently justifying putting tariffs on the entire world essentially because of fentanyl. I don't care if you worship Trump, that's fucking retarded nonsense.

About to

Whether

It's a tax, the government ordering part of the private sector to pay money to the government under threat of law.
You can argue importers should have their costs increased by 104% without passing it on likely putting the vast majority out of business but that doesn't change the fact it's a tax passed by the POTUS and not congress which is illegal.

Liberal Judges make shit up as they go, just zero integrity, law fare and nothing more.

What does that have to do with anything

It has to do with import duties not being a tax to the consumer but to the importer
If I buy gas I have to pay a tax but if I want to sell that gas I need to figure out how to make a profit and factor everything that costs to sell it into the price I’m selling it for including that tax
I think the point is import duties are not an automatic cost that is passed on to the consumer because companies often have a profit margins so that their activities have some market flexibility

It's a tax

It’s a duty for import of goods

The courts have made their ruling, now let them enforce it.

You are delusional if you think profit driven companies are going to wear the cost to be nice to you.
As for who ultimately pays it makes no difference to the fact it is a tax.

A duty is a target-specific form of tax levied by a state or other political entity

it's not an animal it's a cat

ignores them

Why do they getting their viewers' hopes up like this? These clickbait media outlets are the scum of the earth.

i dont care about judges anymore, trump should gas them all

Commies don't get it. Commies will never get it.
Maybe learn what "illegal" means?

You're gonna be deported, btw.

You are arguing that it it is a tax like sales tax or income tax
it is not
it is a coast that an importer has to pay in order to receive goods from outside the country
Tariffs are used to make domestic manufacturing more viable in the market
Because it equalizes the costs of production
so your other choice in all the choices you have is to buy American products which will be more competitive with products that are imported

This. Lefties in congress are trying to just do that. But don’t have votes in the house let alone the senate. Like always having radical judges bypass congress. Constitutional Crisis lefties keep crying about been entirely on judicial branch and its massive overreach. In foreign policy demanding country bring back their own citizens and now tariffs

Judges should not have the power to hold people accountable to the law?
If the ruling is correct or wrong can be argued but the judge 100% should be able to strike down anything illegal.

I'm arguing it's a tax, what kind of tax doesn't matter because by simply being a tax it's up to congress.

You are full of shit.

You are delusional if you think profit driven companies are going to wear the cost to be nice to you

lol your not even American

Do I need to be American to understand capitalism?

capitalists invest capital to generate future returns

the goal is to make as much as possible

you charge as much as possible without killing demand

when overheads increase you increase prices unless that increase would hurt total demand more than the increase

if you can't retain demand while covering overheads you go bankrupt

elect a downie as president

be surprised by what is happening

kek

A tax is some thing you pay directly to the government you don’t pay tariffs directly on imported goods you buy
That is the difference
Companies may pass that on the consumer but other companies that sell similar products may not to be more competitive
this happens in all markets regardless and tariffs aren’t some new thing that Trump came up with on the shitter one day it’s economics 101

"Finland" socalled is the Urheimat of the German people
Enjoy Siberia

you pay directly to the government

You don't pay payroll tax, your employer does, that doesn't mean it isn't a tax.
At this point I have to assume you are a bot.

Your concern trolling about tariffs and trying to imply disingenuously it’s a tax on consumers
It is not
it’s a supply chain cost

It's a cost hat will be mostly passed onto consumers but some sectors may be forced to absorb at least some of it.
You have you prediction they will accept lower profits, I have my prediction they won't. I'll talk to you again in a year and we can compare results.

Can't argue the point

Will point out the flag

You also have a flag.

Ah, yes semantics
Companies pay their own taxes and employees pay theirs directly to the government

i really hope so. strike down the chink tariff. i want my cheap chink goods. deprive me that and i will stomp on the america flag daily and piss of patriot fags until the end of time

Tariffs are retarded but the only reason the left suddenly started supporting free markets is because they think it will own the chuds.

The foundational core of the left is anti-white. Everything else is tactical.

semantics

Welcome to rule of law, words have meaning and that's extremely important when writing and enforcing laws.

Trump is abusing emergency powers. There is no emergency unless you want to call the status quo an emergency, which is an interesting philosophical question, but probably won't cut the mustard when it comes to legal scrutiny. Stop acting like a cultist. The American system has a separation of powers for a reason. You don't get to throw away the whole system just because your guy is in charge. You are in a cult.

It's a cost that will be mostly passed onto consumers

Maybe maybe not because some companies will eat the cost to sell the product cheaper which is commerce 101
Not all bath towels cost the same because different companies have different price strategies

So a tariff is or is not a tax?

Court has not ruled.

Already acts like they have made a ruling.
A little premature, isn't it?

Lefty here, I'm all for bringing back domestic manufacturing but as the private sector won't invest I would like to see large scale government investment with tariffs only raised after domestic manufacturing is online to avoid supply shocks.

tariff

a tax or duty to be paid on a particular class of imports or exports

You didn't answer my question. Is a tariff a tax? Yes or no.

It is 100% tax.
But the US president can do retaliatory tariffs.
This is why Trump called his tariffs reciprocal, to imply he has power to enact them.
The judge argues this is bullshit and us president well over his powers given to him in Trade Act of 1974

Cry about it comrade leaf
Enjoy supporting all those poos you imported when your economy tanks lol

I have been arguing it is the whole time.

I don't care what you've been arguing before. Answer the question. Is a tariff a tax or not? Yes or no?

Seeing you missed

it is

I'll make it even clearer
Yes tariffs are a form of tax.

It is 100% tax

It’s not it’s a supply chain coast lol

He is abusing emergency declarations allowed under a 1976 law to enact his tariffs unilaterally. Outside of that law, only Congress can enact tariffs.

yes and they passed the emergencies act so the president could do it for them while they gorging themselves at the trough

What definition are you using?

They are not they are a supply chain coast

So the government is ordering private businesses to pay money to the government under threat of law?
In that case there is no point talking about them, every importer can opt out of paying, they raise $0 revenue and don't encourage US manufacturing.

If you put a retard in power who wants to do shit that's straight up illegal then of course there should be some way of damage control before he gets spaghetti-os all over the country. I thought the American constitution and freedoms are sacred to you guys? Well the judges' job is to defend them and no it doesn't make them communist, I know it's a knee jerk reaction at this point but cmon

MAGAs think the president should have all the power (as long as it’s their guy) and Congress should be subservient, and the judiciary shouldn’t exist (unless it’s deciding in their favor like citizens united and roe v wade)

The definition that the importer pays the tariffs not the consumer
It is the supply chain that decides who pays the coast not the consumer

One small difference. Taxes are mandatory. Tariffs are optional.

district judges have no control over executive decisions

Tariffs are optional

So then no importer will pay them, no money will be raised and not manufacturing will be moved to the US

No, what I'm asking is where do you get your definition.
If it's not defined as a supply chain in the law then your definition is irrelevant.

But tariffs are? Come the fuck on and at least be consistent.

They are ordering importers to pay a duty upon import of goods lol
And yes importers can choose not to import items if they can’t sell them for a profit or for any reason
Commerce is an ever evolving dynamic industry

Yes, dummy

I ment to say the government not consumer I apologize

Did you even read >They are ordering importers to pay
So it's not optional

No they are called reciprocal tariffs because the Reciprocal Tariff Act of 1934 allows the president to negotiate with other countries to reduce tariffs in exchange for the US reducing tariffs placed on those countries.
Which really gives the game away, because Trump thinks he can invent fake temporary tariffs just to make them go away when other countries reduce their own tariffs after negotiations.

Either importers will pay the tariffs, or move from foreign production to domestic production. Their call. That's two options. Hence: optional, not mandatory.

You can stop paying income tax by having no income, hence optional.

This is how it's supposed to work in theory, but in reality Trump is a messiah figure and Republicans are using him to do anything they want and he gets all the blame.

Wow so courts can just do whatever they want? Why have they never done this before?

no its not usa commerce is only amazon when you really look at it its a monopoly

mega corporations running everything

nothing in america is ever evolving commerce

coca cola is a 100 years old atleast

every brand

the closest we got to a new product and market disruption was a mr beast bar after every kid on their mom donated to him in the country to attempt to swoop in

Trading with the US is also optional.

And they can stop producing instead of paying a tariff or moving domestically. See? You just gave the guy three options. His choice.

As far as who decides to place tariffs is complex US president have historically had breath to apply tariffs on foreign goods and it would seem to fall under the executive branches powers of foreign affairs I’m not a lawyer though

It was some retarded leftist talking points that mean nothing. Like what is 'move away from capitalism' supposed to even mean?
Get rid of central banks? End private ownership of land and resources? End free trade and have protectionism, aka tariffs?

I'm old enough to remember when a jewish judge ordered an accidentally deported beanshitter to be brought back from el salvador.

It is optional because an importer can choose not to import the goods
The “tax” is a “tax” on a specific part of the supply chain that then decides as to who or how that coast is paid as I said

Maybe congress shouldn't have delegated all their powers to the president then.

Globohomo delegated tariffs to the President because the way Congress works fundamentally breaks free trade.
If Congress has to do tariffs again, every Representative is going to slide in protective tariffs for industry in their district.

move away from capitalism

Nationalize production of goods and services and ownership of natural resources
Ban wage labor and private business

finally

You added nothing of substance to the conversation and called me an irrelevant insult.

My point was the movement of goods how they are made and their coast as well as profit margins are are always changing in the market

Do you actually convince people? I get that 9% of people are legally retarded but you seem more a member of that group than an exploiter of it.

So in the middle of the last century most western countries were mixed market socialism and liberalism (a centrist kind of capitalism) but since then have shifted to neoliberalism while killing off most socialist policy (state owned banks, utilities ect.) Become much more capitalist in the process.

The only way a static or deflationary currency could exist long term is if returns on investment were tied to actual profits meaning capitalists looking to invest capital for maximum return would stop investing locally and only invest overseas where price manipulation and shock prices detached from profits were still possible.

At this point you need a way of funding investment and production that isn't dependant on capitalists looking for a return on capital. The easy solution would be state investment which would be socialism.

It has nothing to do with "no private property" commie shit, it's just the reality that if hedge funds and their backers can't print money they will leave for somewhere they can.

Past Supreme Court precedent supports Trump

Why are unelected judges making Americas foreign policy now? I can't find any of that in the constitution.

I know

This is so Trump can walk them back while still saving face. All this nigger does is take Ls and try to spin them as wins or outside of his control.

I disagree. This is a new power that the executive branch has gotten. From reading about it online.

Federal judges are appointed by the president and confirmed by a vote by the senate.

Trump is already talking about giving China AI chips by getting rid of restrictions to sell them those. US AI companies are cooked.

The district courts have two jobs:
1. Settle disputes
2. Protect the reigning power structure
They do this by picking and choosing whatever precedent that most closely matches the needs of the power structure. For most Constitutional questions, over centuries, there has been a judgement in favor of any position to pick from. The judge picks one or more historic rulings to support the ruling he believes best represents the interests of power.

In reality the “law” is just a formalized ritual, like a Phoenix Wright trial. Sometimes upsets happen if the judge wants to support one power center over another for whatever reason, but for the most part their rulings can be predicted by what serves the prevailing power structure. In this case, that is the Democratic / leftist bureaucratic state. If a judge rules against it in certain cases, it’s only because they want to preserve that power in the Executive branch for the future, even if it goes against the immediate wishes of the ruling power bloc — therefore the courts have upheld Trump’s power to fire individual Federally-appointed individuals.

The courts may fall either way on Tariffs. On the one hand they want to be able to let the President attack countries economically and don’t want to harm that power being used in the future — for example, what if Germany elects a right-wing government? On the OTHER hand, there are huge amounts of power in the ruling bloc which want to keep the free trade / debt-spending process going — BUT also a significant part of the structure which wants to generate revenue because the country is going broke (this is the actual purpose of the tariffs). The judge will have to weigh these different power sectors and decide which one’s needs are most pressing / important. What it WON’T be is legal review of whether or not a President can impose tariffs in his capacity of President — that’s completely irrelevant. I mean, OF COURSE he can, but that’s meaningless.

We are a nation of law and order with checks and balances.

what happened to

we a democracy!

?

The PRESIDENT shouldn’t have this much power.

well, you're wrong according to article 2.

And guess what? He doesn’t! Which is why he is being blocked at every step.

good thing he's moving fast so he can clear all of the hurdles and get what he wants in spite of retarded activist judges trying to sand bag the agenda people voted for.
you lost, lol.

Please define tax.

something you don't get a choice in whether or not you pay.
the moment you have a choice, it's not a tax.

BTW, want to know WHY the markets haven’t collapsed with the tariffs enacted? BECAUSE THEY ARE FULLY IRRELEVANT AND THE MARKET KNOWS IT. Walmart said months ago that they had “countermeasures” in place. CNN put out a story several days ago priming the public with an excuse for why there’s no market crash (retailers and producers set up alternatives to China during COVID), and right now they’re trying to push a market disaster with a narrative about how JUST WAIT UNTIL THE WAREHOUSES RUN OUT!!! The reality: CHINA IS JUST EVADING THAT SHIT. And the admin KNEW they would be evaded and that’s why they slapped on a 10% universal tariffs — because the purpose from the START wasn’t to kill of Chinese trade imbalances, it wasn’t to bring in jobs or any of that stupid kiddy circus shit — it was to GENERATE REVENUE. The industry will eat and a 10% tax, and that’s all. There WILL NOT be the promised empty ports, there WILL NOT be the promised market crash. Everything will go on just as before, except now the government has a new line of revenue to help offset their spending. It’s MIND BLOWING to me how few people get this.

SYBAU 51
you little fucking nigger

HAH
ZION DON IS CRASHING THE ECONOMY

BYE BYE BOOMERS & RICH FOGGIES

He'll just ignore them lol

The PRESIDENT shouldn’t have this much power

lmao even I know the president is basically a king, suck shit commie

Seems like presidents who are voted in can't do anything unless it is globohomo legally

YES ANON
ALL LEAFS
ARE USUALLY NIGGER RAJEETS. KEK.

a federal court

circuit court judges have no power over him. you should have learned that by now

These judges have absolutely no authority over U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

Judges should not have this kind of power

Our entire system of government is designed around judges having this exact type of power. You cannot have limited government if there is not a mechanism to limit the government. The Constitution specifies the powers that the government does and does not have, and the courts are the mechanism by which the Constitution is applied, to prevent the government from exercising powers it does not have.

Do you value things like free speech? What does that mean in practice? Suppose Congress passes a law that says you can't say nigger. The people voted for that Congress, so surely, they should have the right to make such a law, and those unelected judges should have no say! Well then you don't have free speech now, do you? America's not a democracy, it's a constitutional republic. A republic because our laws are determined by representatives, and constitutional because we have a constitution that specifies what those representatives are allowed to do.

Making taxes without Congressional approval is not one power granted by the Constitution to the President.

The power of courts is to render laws null and void when they violate the Constitution. Laws like "you must pay x% to bring an item into a country". A ruling against the tariffs would mean that no prosecution for tax evasion can occur for someone refusing to pay a tariff Trump imposed. Because that prosecution has to go through a court, and the court must obey precedent.

Do you value things like free speech?

do you think you have free speech?
is the free speech in the room with you now?

Suppose Congress passes a law that says you can't say nigger. The people voted for that Congress, so surely, they should have the right to make such a law, and those unelected judges should have no say!

congress also appoints the judges in question, so you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot, retard

blah blah blah, i'm retarded

we noticed.
anything you can choose not to pay is not a tax.
simple as.

No retard that's the Supreme Court's job, and a "federal judge" isn't the Supreme Court. Now shut the fuck up and go take a civics class.

It’s literally impossible to discuss courts and law here. All the double-digit IQs want to do is discuss how they WANT it to function, not how it DOES function.

The Supreme Court has appellate jurisdiction over cases that do not involve lawsuits between the states. NOTHING goes before the Supreme Court until it has has already gone through the lower courts. Those lower courts do have the authority to rule whether something is or is not a violation of the Constitution. The Supreme Court has the authority to affirm or override their rulings. In many cases, the Supreme Court chooses to let the lower court's ruling stand, and won't hear the case at all.

Please try paying attention to how any of these cases have proceeded in the past. It always starts with a lower court making a ruling.

On a much more limited scale and with at least some kind of justification.

Nationalize ... ownership of natural resources

This has worked well in Scandinavian countries. But they still contract out the actual labor to private enterprise.
I am not certain we have really moved away from state run banks, but this investment shit is mostly about people looking to profit off of shot term gains.
You'd still have workers who have their retirements invested into the companies they worked for etc. But right, we definitely need to move away from neo-liberal globalism

lower court issues ruling

Supreme Court ignores it

Donald Trump ignores it

case closed

Why didn't I hear these "judges" complaining when O'Biden was flooding the country with invaders using tax payers money.

Yes, problem?

The judicial branch is overstepping its bounds. They're violating our system of checks and balances. The president is in charge of foreign policy, not the fucking judges.
You retards cheering this on are traitors and will be dealt with.

judges are incorruptible and definitely would never be partisan :^)

hypothetically this might be a situation where the electric boogaloo kicks off, if the judge rules a temporary pause on tariffs, Trump ignores it then the judge holds him in contempt. Then a faction splits to try to hold Trump in contempt. I suspect Trump would just show up and sit in a cell for contempt of court tho.

And you faggots screech and holler if a court ever rules against you. You don't give a shit about actual rule of law, only getting your way.

Under the constitution the president is supposed to be relatively weak with few responsibilities. Separation of powers is the point. But the GOP wants a Hungary-style strong executive without oversight and so of course they are running into the courts.

Trump should arrest the judges for breaking the law by protecting the invaders.

wrong thread

This is a thread about how many "dollies and pencils black kids can own under executive emergency action"

Yes, I'm by no means saying there would be no private investment but when the marketcap of a company is tied to the value of their assets (to avoid producing value from thin air driving inflation) institutional investors are going to leave and the state would need to step in.

So... if the judges can just wave away everything a president does, wtf is the point of having a president?

Ok so theres only 2 ways to seek remedy under the constitution. Either through a supreme court ruling like the time Biden was told he does not have the power to force inject experimental vaccines under the constitution (which is also internationally illegal thanks to the geneva convention)..Ok fuck it never mind youre from Bulgaria..

the president serves the judges, chud

Currently the president is ignoring both senate and house by declaring an emergency to get everything done from one branch of government. Only judges can stop him now.

blocked by a federal judge

Thankfully Trump and his administration understands that they have no actual power, and they can just ignore them.

Separation of Powers

learn it
live it

the demonrats have been thrown out of power, so now they're resorting to using the courts in a futile attempt to obstruct the Will of the People.

but they keep failing because the courts have no jurisdiction over the powers of the Exectuive Branch and cannot interfere in the domain of the Executive Branch because it is unconstitutional.

But they keep trying anyways just because they are so desperate.

It's funny how the left has been promoting this narrative of a 'constitutional crisis' when it is their own actions through abuse and misuse of the courts that is leading this exact scenario.

So... if the judges can just wave away everything a president does

They can't. Which is why the administration simply ignores them and their illegal, pointless orders.

He should still arrest the fake judges and congress should eliminate the "lower" courts.

Article III
Section 1

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court,

and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.

The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-3/

"From time to time ordain and establish" does not mean permanent.

This isn't the 1800's anymore, we no longer need federal courts out in the territories.

It no longer takes months to communicate with the District.

like the time Biden was told he does not have the power to force inject experimental vaccines under the constitution

i don't remember that ruling.
anyone have a link to that?

The president has a heap of power but isn't above the law, Trump keeps breaking the law. If he wanted to do these sanctions and make them stick he would need it to pass in congress. If the GOP majority agreed it would pass, they won't because they actually understand economics.
This whole thing only happened because Trump knows the GOP would vote against the tariffs.

It's not just Trump or the GOP.
It's also Biden, and really every President before him.
Biden tried to cancel Student Debt and failed in the Courts.
Biden tried to end noncompetes and failed in the Courts.
All of these Presidential actions on both sides have broad public support, but Congress is too retarded to actually do anything. Looks a lot like the late Roman Republic.

the final lesson of the Trump failure will be that we didn't need to just elect Trump (even if he was legit, which he ain't) but we needed to have gutted Congress as well.

at least pope trump made himself a real billionaire by pumping and dumping a few shitcoins + insider trading a few stocks like recently nvidia

now when claims to be one, it won't be a lie!

This isn't the 1800's anymore, we no longer need federal courts out in the territories.

SCOTUS intentionally slow rolls cases so they can pretend they have a huge work load and can selectively choose not to hear cases, they know the constitution demands them to rule a certain way on. The only reason why they heard the case on forced vaccination is because their timing was impeccable and they where able to slip in the docket that day.

If the Supreme Court ignores a lower court's ruling, this means they are not issuing a ruling of their own on it, which means the ruling stands.

As for Donald Trump ignoring the ruling, it's not something where his inaction would help him. Again, if the courts rule he doesn't have the authority to create tariffs out of thin air, what this means is that the tariffs he has created become void. When items get imported into the United States, customs will often send a bill for the tariff. What happens if the bill is not paid? Well, then you have to take them to court. You criminally charge the importer with tax evasion. Importer says to the judge, "according to this federal court ruling, these tariffs are null and void". The case gets dropped.

If you choose to ignore the ruling, you are simply existing in a state where you claim something is the law, but cannot enforce it in any capacity.

99% of judges blocking shit are hand picked by democrats. If the GOP politicised their hand picked Judges and blocked everything they did, you can bet they will cry like the hypocrites they are. Democrats never stop shooting themselves in the foot with precedents they set.

The president has a heap of power but isn't above the law,

why do people keep saying this tired phrase?
it is OBVIOUS that the law doesn't apply equally to everyone.
for example, congress can insider trade, the president has absolute immunity for official acts, members of the house can't be arrested for any reason on the way to a vote, etc...
stop parroting meaningless phrases.

Also I remember the never ending line of retardo's assuring us POTUS has the power to force vaccinate you and guaranteed to win on any SCOTUS ARGUMENTS.

If you choose to ignore the ruling, you are simply existing in a state where you claim something is the law, but cannot enforce it in any capacity.

you actually have that backwards, anon.
the executive branch deals with enforcement, and the judicial branch lacks enforcement ability--they can't even bring charges, lol.

damn that wojack looks like he took pope trump's 0% efficacy vaccine and got boosted even 2 times or so before the propaganda stopped working

100% unvaccinate, 20 pencils, 54 dollies and not in a cult.

The executive branch cannot enforce laws without the involvement of the judicial branch. Let's look at how this works in practice.

An importer brings in a giant shipload of products from China.
Customs sends him a bill for the tariff.
The importer ignores the bill.
Customs wants to arrest him for tax evasion. They need a warrant.
They are denied the warrant because no law was violated since the tariff was invalid.

Perhaps they make an arrest anyways.
The jail schedules a court hearing for the crime of tax evasion.
The judge at the hearing drops the charges on the grounds that a prior court case has ruled these tariffs are invalid, and therefore the importer is not obligated to pay them.

France is superior again

Metric > angloid empire footfag system
Civil law > common law
Roman larping and consular republic > liberal democracy

why do people keep saying this tired phrase?

It's the first time I have said it but it's also just a fact of the US government.

it is OBVIOUS that the law doesn't apply equally to everyone

True

the president has absolute immunity for official acts

From criminal prosecution, he can steal your car and never get charged but he can't stop the cops from giving it back to you.

Yes. The most egregious example is UK judges agreeing with their government that juan guaido is still president of Venezuela despite facts proving the opposite like embassadors being nomminated by the real venezuelian government.
There is also the example of western sanctions blocking access to humanitarian aids in violation of several treaties that were obviously never removed by a so-called "independent" judge.
In short, it is clearly a fight between political factions ans the judge is just playing the role of the puppet.

if you don't want totalitarian power from the President you're a commie

Trump cultists, man

Presidents

UK

French IP

No it isn't you retard. There is no judicial supremacy, the branches are coequal. There are many issues which are not subject to judicial review for various reasons.

The president, by law, can only implement tariffs during a state of emergency. If there is no emergency, the tariffs are illegal.
Simple as
That's literally the law.

Watching how much the Separation of Powers makes Trump cultists seethe is funny. Cultists is the perfect word for them, any power is good as long as Trump has it because he's the Cult Leader.

The executive branch cannot enforce laws without the involvement of the judicial branch.

patently false.

This is a bit too complicated for them. To them it's like

Trump do thing

Thing good

you have to talk at that level and you can't convince them that Trump might not have any given power.
They'd defend CIA assassinations on American citizens if they're from Trump

80k people dying from fentanyl every year isn't an emergency

Go look at a list of national emergencies that have been declared in the US you incurious retard

Ah, yes, the fentanyl coming from penguin island
lmao

Yes.

To believe the fentanyl narrative you have to believe that most fentanyl in the US is coming from China, Lesotho, Saint Pierre, Cambodia, Laos & Madagascar.
Do you actually believe this?

inb4 picking one country to talk about while ignoring the fact Madagascar made the list

The PRESIDENT shouldn’t have this much power.

The president is given the ability to pass tariffs by according to the will of congress, in a law that passed about a century ago. If the judiciary declares this congressional practice of deferring to the executive branch to be unconstitutional, then about half of the modern duties of the executive branch are about to unravel and most of the modern federal government with it. Trump wont even need to do things like ending the department of education or the ATF, because the supreme court will already have done so.

It's not an emergency because I don't think it is, even if an emergency was declared

Holy shit you reddit midwits are insufferable

Fentanyl isn't the reason behind the national emergency

Trump lost.

80k people dying from fentanyl every year isn't an emergency

Fentanyl isn't the reason behind the national emergency

You are as consistent as your king.

How come you weren't worried about it when Biden was in charge? Go dilate.

I was responding to someone else you pothead. Sorry for assuming he was telling the truth. Just remember I knew the truth before you, and you only learned it because of mu curiosity.
Anyways fuck off libtard

I can't speak for him but when did Biden ignore supreme court rulings?

Just remember I knew the truth before you

I'm not sure you do know the truth, lets see if you do.
Why do the rich keep getting richer while the working class get poorer?

Failed Civics 101, I guess? Maybe someday you'll pass the 8th grade. Third times the charm, eh?

Extreme midwittery, the executive is responsible for interpeting the law. This is like saying the executive is involved in legislation because laws would have no power without enforcement

let's talk about something different

No thank you, I do not want to hear about your religion

I can't speak for him but

but you're gay? Okay.

responsible for interpeting the law

Enforcing*

I'm godless, all organized religions are little more than a control mechanism left over from when kings were "chosen by god".

Yeah buddy that's the exact kind of thing a religious zealot would say. Sephiroth tier dialogue

Kill yourself trumpanzee

I know right, what are the odds of talking to an atheist from a majority atheist country.
Do you miss your foreskin?

Continue to get defensive all you want you're only proving my point that you treat your politics and "lack of religious belief" as religion

You sound extremely fat and bespectacled

Odd what happened with all the boomer Q trust the plan drones?

And arresting deep state ? And 24 hours of darkness where everyone gets to live in a new system after blackouts?

intelligent and enlightened atheist can't use the google search gpt to find out if congress granted tariffing powers to the president

Fuck I forgot this

i'm still trusting sessions

How do you know what I was and wasn't, you obnoxious moron?

No. President's are often authorized by Congress to negotiate on trade by Congress would ratify any deal. What Trump is doing is totally novel and based in XYZ being an "emergency" when it obviously isn't.

Your flag is Australian, Australia is not a majority atheist country. Also, atheists are known for living for very selfish self centered lives, and you're proud of that?

The 2021 Australian census, 38.9% of the population identified as having "no religion," which includes atheists and agnostics. Christians were 43.9%

Unlike religion my politics change over time, I have shifted from anti-gun to pro-gun, from anti-drug to pro-drug, from anti-nukes to pro-nukes. If I see a new point of view I'll look into it and see if it has merit.
I don't think about my lack of religion at all, I hard a hard think about 20 years ago and haven't seen anything that's changed my mind since.

retaliatory tariffs power

When China had 6% on the US Trump could have put 6% on China under retaliatory powers, he can't put 145% on China and pretend it's retaliation.

Ha, I guess it's a bunch of people saying "I'm Christian" on paper without ever going to church I honestly thought we were ~50% godless these days.
abs.gov.au/articles/religious-affiliation-australia

calling everything an emergency

This is how it starts in every other shithole dictatorship.

my politics change over time

Fair enough, just understand that when someone is talking about one thing and you reply with something about how the rich men have all the money that you're basically saying " have you heard about our lord and savior Karl Marx? "

>Congress gave the President the power to impose tariffs.

Bill number?

1) Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962
2) Section 201 of the Trade Act of 1974
3) Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974
4) International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977
5) Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974
6) Section 338 of Tariff Act of 1930

Source: constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-congress-delegates-its-tariff-powers-to-the-president

No, youre wrong. And when Biden finalized increased to Tariffs on China you were silent.

under retaliatory powers

Nothing to do with that. He used emergency powers under the IEEPA

Trump will win, you will still be gay

Kinda sad when a Christian foreigner knows more about your own country than you do, or at least has enough sense to do a 5 second search before stating something as a fact without knowing for sure.

Just curious, why do you want to be an atheist?

you'd think the fact he tariffed penguin island proves it's not retaliatory.

Just curious, why do you want to be an atheist?

My Dutch grandparents were at church every Sunday and took it all very seriously until Germany invaded and the priest switched narrative from "thou shalt not kill" to "kill all Germans. My 14yo grandfather was too young to fight but the church making that switch to maintain the existing power structure of his country stuck with him. By the time he was 20 he left the church and never looked back, this lead to my dad being raised atheist and ultimately me being raised atheist.
When I was about 12 I wanted a religion because it just seemed like a cool thing to have, I read up about Christianity, Anglicanism and Judaism because I know people from each. All seemed to be a mix of common sense "don't be a cunt" mixed with "don't eat X on Y day" which just seemed stupid to me.

You were saying?

Ron Paul was right again. You simply can not reform the economy, without ending the FED.

Governments should issue their own debt-free money.

Clearly the penguins are hiding their fentanyl shipments as "machinery"

Thanks for sharing, it seems as though your grandparents priest was put in a tough spot. Watch his flock get massacred and enslaved by germans or tell them to fight back. What would you have done if you were the priest?

You havent really answered why youre an atheist though, you just spelled out why you dont like established religions. You can still believe in God and disagree with and criticize mainstream religions.

So it's not optional

source the items domestically, don't pay anything. it's optional, you don't NEED those foreign goods or services

It's judges, the fed, a weak congress, a complacent and distracted voterbase, a corrupt media etc
A total mess
I think the penguins are speaking Mandarin is what the problem is

Trump gave bullshit reasons to enact the tariffs. And people are pointing that out.
Also remind us all how many people voted for this retard and how many citizens live within the US?

I’m kinda into this sort of thing, but still a bit confusing for me because I’ve never been with a woman before.
I’m a girl btw, and when I say girl I mean 53yo man

le fascist

Vox

Back to Plebbit fuckface.

Drumpf going to fuck around and find out.

What would you have done if you were the priest?

As I'm godless and take no morals from books I maintain that killing is sometimes justified and would never preach that all killing is wrong.

why youre an atheist

I read 3 common religious texts and they all contained things weird enough for he to consider them flawed.

You can still believe in God

I see no evidence of god so I don't believe, I changed my opinion on guns when I learned of genocides, I changed my option on drugs when I considered the implications of the state limiting bodily autonomy, I changed my opinion of nukes when I learnt of the protectionist rackets major powers run.
I'm yet to see anything that has changed my mind on the existence of god.

cry more little MIGA slut kek

Here’s my criticism of your grandfather. He saw something he disagreed with at this church, something people did and because of that he stopped believing in God. His whole view of God was based on his priest and church it seems. What he could have done is start his own church and do what he felt was right there.

There’s lot of evidence. You think all this life happened coincidentally? This air water and food just happened randomly? Plants create food for you just for fun? Strange that youre aware enough to have morals and a conscience but you dont know where they come from.

I think a lot of what you said to me shows religion is very strong in your family. But you cant see that for some reason.

Imagine thinking that something like that would survive a scotus hearing.

I don't know if he maintained his belief in god or not, he didn't talk about it much and just wanted me to know that institutions that claim to be highly principled can and do reverse on those alleged principals when it's convenient.

You think all this life happened coincidentally

Yes, to me this is like rolling a 1 million sided die and when it comes up 678,284 pointing out it's a one in a million chance of it being that number after the role.
If life couldn't develop here it wouldn't have and we wouldn't be having this conversation after the roll.

Plants create food for you just for fun

Animals came long after plants and evolved to eat them, if plants were chemically different animals would have evolved differently to eat those plants instead.

Strange that youre aware enough to have morals and a conscience but you dont know where they come from

Look at any pack animal, sure they infight at times but it's extremely rare for them to kill their own. Is this because god gave every animal a conscience and morals or because those that killed their own were driven from the pack and died out before passing on those genes?

shows religion is very strong in your family

I'm lucky to come from a long line of people that like to think and question rather than accept narratives, this leads to coming to your own conclusions and if you aren't a cunt that'll lead to you being "moral" by most religions standards.

Trump should rewrite the constitution

Nor does the president have the power to claim and abuse national emergency powers to implement extralegisltive trade policy.
There is no emergency. I hope we do get a ruling that presidents can't do this stupid shit.

thread full of Non americans with lots of strong opinions about our politics

you are in a fucking cult of retards

Yes but the US courts are extremely partisan and don't care about the law.

They're weaponising due process. By dragging everything Trump does through years-long court cases they're attempting to prevent him from doing anything. The legal system in the US is being used as a weapon by the Democrats. No one should be okay with that.

Ozark Mountain boy here. Last week I got it in my head I needed them Yeezy Season 10 Women’s Slingback Heels in Bone, size 13—don’t ask me why. Just saw ‘em on my cousin’s OnlyFans and said hell, maybe I deserve nice things too.

Found ‘em online through a Korean fashion plug. Total cost after “emergency protection tariffs” and “counterfeit mitigation surcharges”? $1,022.43.

I felt like I’d been mugged by Ronald Reagan’s ghost.

Wasn’t even mad at Kim. I was mad at myself. Sat there in my truck with the heels in my lap, starin’ at my “Trump 2024: Finish the Fight” bumper sticker and whispered:

You were the fight.

I think your grandpa misunderstood the whole history of religion and that if you look closely at it, the people closest to God are always upset about what other people are doing in religion. The greatest revolution in religion was Jesus Christ and his disagreement with his established religion led to his death. The difference between your grandpa and Martin Luther is that one person gave up and the other person fought back to make religion and the world a better place.

If it’s all coincidental than why do your morals and conscience matter? Nothing you do matters, right?

why do your morals and conscience matter

Because I would rather have a positive impact with my time on earth than a negative one.
While I could be out raping and stealing and I don't believe I would face any punishment beyond the law I would also be making other people lives worse and that isn't something I want to do.

Nothing you do matters, right?

In the big picture no but if you go big enough the earth doesn't matter and even the milkyway doesn't matter.
Still I can try to have a good time and help others have a good time while I'm here.

We are a rule of laws

I'd say bait, but liberals are easily this dumb so... kys OP

Whats the point in having a positive impact? Youll be dead soon and nothing in your eyes.

Your philosophy contradicts itself worse than any religion.

This.
Ain't shit gonna stop him until it gets to the supreme court. It's not like a single federal judge in fuck all nowhere can dictate the actions of a president.

When I give food to the homeless they don't think it's pointless because they will be hungry again tomorrow.
Neither do I.

So what you're saying is that you had breakfast this morning?

1-2-3 less obama judges and you'll see they'll stop making this shit. Thing is why Trump keeps sucking their cock instead of spyin on them for shit and arrest them

The president is not above the law you massive retard. Holy shit please remove yourself from this realm.

Why do anything at all? It’s all meaningless in your eyes according to your belief system. You dont see the contradiction youre living?

Its strange that you can see flaws in everyone elses belief systems but not yours. Maybe you thought having no religious beliefs would make you flawless?

This is great. Hopefully exposes greed because vidya shit ain't coming down in price.

How would judges have power over foreign policy?

why not rape and eat your own children?

What a waste your entire life has been, getting you all the way to this..

So because I don't think anything I do now will matter in 200 years I should just lay in bed all day?
There is no contradiction you just can't understand my perspective, I have a limited time alive and might as well make the most of it even if it only matters to me and those close to me in the moment.
If you believed there was no afterlife would you stop caring about yourself and others?
To me the belief there is no afterlife simply means I need to enjoy my limited time.

Im not the one saying all life is meaningless and a coincidence.

According to your belief system, yes. There is a contradiction, a massive one. You have ideas and beliefs and desires and youre alive, but at the same time you say it means nothing and its a coincidence, because the dice rolled a certain way.

I never said it was meaningless, it matters to me just not to the universe.
What a fox in the woods does on the other side of the world is meaningless to you and me but it mattes to the fox and it's pups.

it means nothing

See above, it matters to me and those close to me.

its a coincidence

Why does it being a coincidence change anything, when I bet on a horse at the pub and it wins I have a more expensive meal and a few more than I would if it had of lost, the fact it was a coincidence doesn't make the meal any less enjoyable.

You are arguing the opposite against the Australian who is arguing for having a meaningful impact simply because it is the right thing to do. Apparently you have no idea what you are even saying at this point. Like I said, total waste of life and I can only wonder whether your parents deserve pity or contempt.

No, im arguing against the contradiction in his belief structure. Logically it doesnt add up.

I have tried a bunch of way to explain it so this is the last attempt.
If you died tomorrow I wouldn't know and it wouldn't matter to me at all, does that give your life less meaning to you?

It is meaningless, because there’s no point aside from satisfying your own selfish desires and then you die. Thats actually a very common theme in atheism, in that they are incredibly selfish people. Everything is about them, just like your grandfather, he was thinking about his own beliefs and not how to help other people.

satisfying your own desires

Yes

selfish desires

No, I like helping others, it makes me feel good.

What gives meaning to my life is knowing that this life isn’t the end. That when i die I’ll be with God again. I’ve been blessed with gift of feeling Gods presence. You want to know what God feels like? Pure good. Imagine helping others for no gain and seeing them be happy, or the smile on an innocent childs face. Thats what God feels like, but amplified trillions of times over. Being with that again is the only meaning that really matters. Our life here on earth is to emulate that and spread that feeling everywhere.

Why dont you open your own church, you can help many people and feel good about it?

No, never for tarrifs

Holy retard

We are a rule of laws and...

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I hope you are right.

I don't think many people need to be told not to be cunts, I think the majority are good and those that aren't won't have their ways changed by preaching.
What I have been looking into lately is politics as the current economic system is failing the people and those in power have no interest in changing it. I think that's the way I can have the largest possessive impact and have joined a major party to learn how it works.

Good luck with that, but the biggest difference between working in politics and religion is that in religion youre required to stand up for whats right regardless of the cost to yourself, in politics its the reverse, youre required to go with the flow and learn how to play the game.

Politicians choose to sell out, it isn't a requirement. Always remember one senator voted against the patriot act.

Its not a tax, its an import cost that is applied to goods entering into the domestic market.

There are various reasons for this, but most notably there is a social justice and climate change issue.

Having goods produced in third world countries using slave labour is unethical and should not be allowed to enter the land of the free and the home of the brave, Americans should not pay for slavery, why is corporate left so pro slavery?

There is also a climate change issue, shipping goods across the world produces excess carbon dioxide that would be completely avoided by having your domestic industry produce said .

Why have the so called left wing progressives suddenly become silent on slaver that targets none white people while also not giving a damn about the cost of climate change.

We are in a pivotal point in history and you're playing with our children's futures how dare you. tariffs are literally saving the world by making it economically unfeasible for huge shipping oil companies to pollute the world.

The trump tariffs are literally fighting climate change and now you're all screening about it.
Can we add more Trade tariffs just because of these intellectually dishonest parasites in this thread.
They will shut up when every time they ask about it they increase.
Every single time the paid off media push that trade tariffs are gonna wreck the economy, increase the trade Tarriffs.

Trade Tariffs aren't a tax, just like the surveillance state isn't a violation of the 4th amendment.

Youll face the same challenges as others have and youll be tested the same way others have been. On the day someone bribes or threatens you as a Politicans or you have a choice between the easy way and pain, youll find out who you really are.

I have already been tested, I quit a $5k per week job because I was morally opposed to what they were doing.
I have faith in my self to put the whole above myself.

Who is going to enforce it?

fuck off, satan
no God's love 4 u - enjoy the silence and gnash the teeth

Now this is something they can’t do.
This an executive branch deal only, it requires new laws to be passed for precedent to be reflected.
As it is now, the courts cannot touch this.
Same as the Executive can’t by EO suspend habeas corpus the court systems are built around.
This is just ego acting out all around.
Be well anon, nothing is REALLY going to change xD

They don’t. It’s a stunt.

I wish you the best of luck, hope it goes well for you, and that you do some good in the world. I hope Gods light finds you, have a nice day.

thanks, have a nice day.

Night anon, nice talking with you.