$100k for philosophy degree

At least the cuckfaces fixed their game.

my professors encouraged me

Found the problem.
Seeking validation from strangers, taking their advice. Obviously has no parental presence.
90% of the problem's in the youth can be traced back to their parents.

Yeah this, seriously. What's fucking wrong with the people in college nowadays? How can so many people "accidentally" take classes they don't need that aren't elective credits for multiple years on end? If you're willingly devoting a good chuck of your life to studying useless shit with zero applicable value to the real world you might as well make your career about selling useless shit with zero applicable value to the real world to other suckers like yourself.

Chemistry, kek. Did your delusional teachers tell you that chemistry would be a good choice?

Pro-tip, it's not.

Get out whilst you still can, and for fucks sake don't go down the phd-postdoc route.

not interested in law

won't spend 6 months gaining some skills businesses are interested in

he should probably use philosophy to figure out why he's sabotaging himself on a subconscious level

he has to get the phd now or no balls.

Got mine on the streets. The "Philosophy Debtor" didn't learn any street smarts in the Jewish College because they don't want them to get any street smarts so they remain in the illusion that they have been educated.

These college 'students' only learned that they have no "Street cred" and they paid a lot for that lesson.

They learned what the Jews wanted them to learn. Basically nothing, and to go into debt to the Central Bankers.

Chem is still probably the second most employable science degree after physics

Not over here it's not.

technically it's computer science either 1 or 2. but that's if you consider informatics to be an actual science. I guess the application of computer science is a lot more loose, you can't really do that with physics or chemistry without causing huge problems

physics makes you employable

I doubt it. I mean banking and IT wise to some degree, but even they usually want only the top 10-20 percent in chase of the banking and maybe top 20-30 in chase of the IT, but even that requires advanced programming skills and usually years long experience. Most chemistry degrees aren’t worth much without a phd. Maybe petrochems or chemical engineering (but that’s already not really a pure science) with such a specialization equals easy employment. But even that isn’t a job everybody would like.

Why does the premise of "bad degrees" never go challenged? Higher education is so expensive it requires loans if you don't get scholarships for being brown and female. Ergo, how is it possible that there is such a thing as a bad degree? If there is a single degree that doesn't guarantee a job of at least slightly better than a GED job, then it should be struck from the curriculum. Why are know-nothing impressionable youth being heavily lied to and promised opportunities for a degree everyone knows will result in nothing?
If they're so useless than all debt should be canceled. What the fuck are we paying for if they're not worth the money we're being charged? You can't get away with selling a lemon car or dumpster property for millions of dollars without consequences - so why is it okay to do this with entire generations of Americans, who are supposed to be the future of our workforce, scientists, lawyers, etc. Who's going to make your life better in old age and develop new bullshit for the future? Niggers? Indians?
Why is everyone okay with this? Shouldn't we be min-maxing the value of education for all students so they can thrive and help compete with muh China or whatever?

in the US I feel like it's all about what skills you have, how you market yourself and how you can explain how your degree / experience makes you a good fit. if you have a background in math or physics and are a half decent bullshiter you should be able to explain how that will help you do any job. it's math, you can apply it to anything if you are creative. if you are good at hard subjects you should be able to articulate them, and then it's just a matter of building the social / communication skills to help you get across that articulation

I think computer science only equals easy employability, if you‘re ready to move, work on demand/overtime and (usually) cheap or you already gathered massive amounts of practice. Now there is even talk about some of these guys having troubles to find something somewhat fitting.

I dont really care how it is for other people
Im very good at it, I find it interesting and I have a grad scheme lined up for £32k salary

I recently hired a junior developer with a fucking masters in computer science. He tells me that he learned more in the first month of me explaining why I do things a certain way than he did in his entire school career. He even took a database class where they didn’t even teach him what a transaction was. School is a fucking joke. That’s why I can pull in over 200k, in GA, with no college, and people with a fucking masters and 100k in student debt can’t find a job.

Now there is even talk about some of these guys having troubles to find something somewhat fitting

tech overhired during the pandemic, and also a lot of people went into CS because it was paying very high. there's going to be an adjustment period where the field bleeds most of the people who either weren't really interested or at least didn't make a good effort to learn things in depth
but I think even now if you're a strong candidate you're going to find work, but like you said you might have to move or accept temporary low pay

Can't he be a professor or teacher with a masters degree? Why choose McDonald's of all places, wtf?

I bet that grad scheme has nothing to do with chemistry

college.com/refunds

I feel like this is largely an issue of the students sucking though. curriculums might not be perfect but they do at least teach you some of what you need to know. then if you're looking to be employable you should be doing your own research on what you'd need in an actual job setting. A lot of people are just fundamentally incurious and just want to jump through the hoops set by other people. I don't think that works very well in knowledge worker roles. You have to be interested or disciplined enough to keep learning and fill the obvious gaps quickly

Yes it is, why are you talking complete shite?

paid to learn philosophy

What a moron
plato.stanford.edu/contents.html

somebody with plebbit tell that faggot "i bet you are a shit philosopher as well to top it off"

microbiology offers a wide range as well. Patientmaterial, food, plant cultivation, sterile equipment testing, clean room and even space equipment or travel.

he fell for the university grift

ayy lmao

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This story seems genuine and heterosexual.

Just don't pay it?

Lab Technician for an Aerospace company
Mostly doing analysis and testing on Chemicals used in Jet engines

Philosophy and most social science degrees are fine for that second in a double-major. Typically your university will make your degree path for a more difficult program easier when you double. Philosophy is so versatile you can often double up your credits with your second major. Just make sure your diploma says the more hireable degree on your diploma. I really enjoyed college and paid off my student loans in my mid-20s studying Philosophy and finance.

I have learnt more about Demosthenese, cicero and kant from you faggots than i did from my 3 philosophy courses in college

450k seems pretty sus, that's like undergrad + medical school levels
I think I've heard of a few people who got a masters at a private school and paid owe like 250k, 450k just sounds extreme

flag checks out

CS is more the T in STEM despite its name
Physics is like math and econ where it just has good general employability but probably not directly related to what you studied
t. math and econ double major

Why is everyone okay with this?

Boomers and retards. They view it as a win for their side so it's a good thing. Our people are so polarized and the only way we are getting out of this is the total death of the internet and even then it might be too late.
But everything you said is correct. Our children are sold these lies and we will all suffer for it.

my guess is his grades are shit or he's being too narrow in his approach to the job market

100k for a degree in something that comes naturally to people with a high IQ

lol

I feel like some parts of it are more close to science, those would be the parts closer to math, physics, or object measures of performance (such as comparing algorithms). When it comes to technology stacks, paradigms, design patterns, or exploring say different database technologies it gets closer to technology and the soft sciences

Trades is where it’s at right now. I got my computer science degree back in 2013 and ended up hating my field. I tried a few different things and ended up getting my CDL while in the oilfield making $150k/year

There is too much people who work in IT and top much who are unemployed in same field. And companies have figured out that People are willing to accept McDonalds wage just to work in IT.

The same could be argued for philosophy though especially rigorous curricula with a focus on systematization etc. From what I heard, you are correct, in the Us it’s all about presentations and networks. But most mathematicians or physicists aren’t that good at both of them or let alone coordinating things in general. I‘d say you just signal being a certain type of personality to the employer. Mostly about being good at dealing with a lot of complex detailed/small picture stuff for a long time, who doesn’t depend on too many social contacts etc. Anywhere something along these lines is required there is a good chance for a maths or physics major. But I think there is a surplus of these people. If it’s just about employment most engineering disciplines are better. Having said that studying anything most definitely doesn’t equal getting a job nowadays. That’s just the reality.

I won't undertake any solution that might get me a real job

Fuck this guy, honestly. Stop bitching if you won't take advice about what to do in your situation. Law and getting a PHD ARE YOUR OPTIONS.

You want to win at philosophy? Take drugs.

Its simple ZOGnomics. Why even spend time to transfer knowlage when it will cost time and they need to pay balding "PhD"fags to do it. Cutting cost of transfer of knowlage is good way for universities to maximise profit.

I'm at $85k for a bachelors in Phil. However, I did score me some decent teaching jobs and a gorgeous Russian wife. I recently moved back and I'm living in Sochi. Granted, I still have the debt, but the hook noses will never see another dime.

Philosophy is just that, use it to think your way out of the situation, if you don't, why did you even take philosophy? Oh right, this retard probably studied existentialism or ethics... I studied logic and mathematics, and now I can teach up to calc 2 and never passed calc.

People... Cmon, let the economy fail, get out of the US. Money comes easy in the states. Life comes easy everywhere else.

Philosophy taught me to have confidence in my mind and ability.

Unironically the biggest challenge philosophy majors have in the US is how much of a philistine retard the average American including employers are. Most people here genuinely just think philosophy majors are just getting high and asking questions and that the classes are just reading and regurgitating old greek guys and neeeeeeeetzche n shiieeet which hurts it as a "general employability" undergrad since people still look at the word math and think "woah, smart!"

The same could be argued for philosophy

Yeah, that's true. Besides the reality of a mediocre / poor job market it just comes down to a deficit of real skills and an inability to communicate effectively. I've been able to turn unrelated, relatively low skilled job experience into higher paying technical jobs because I actually did find what would map from my previous experience to the desire role, and then articulated it well with a little fluff.

But I think there is a surplus of these people

I think there's just a surplus of every type of person at this point, at least in the context of a poorly managed / facilitated global economy. There just hasn't been enough growth, too many things have been mismanaged

general employability but probably not directly related to what you studied

I think it’s also about what you are ready to accept as payment. If I remember correctly roughly 5 percent of physicists in the Us are currently unemployed, but the number is projected to be rising to 7–10 percent depending on different sources until the early 2030s.

This is the credited response.

Marry a woman from a nation that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the USA, then go to her home country and get naturalized there.

yeah but honestly I feel like if you take 8 years of philosophy you should be able to understand and model the average person to an extent and find out of how to appeal to them. it's not fucking hard. academic philosophy appears to me to have become divorced from what it's really about, and part of that is how to live a good and meaningful life. that necessitates learning how to work and communicate with others or learning how to not be disturbed by poverty and mediocre opportunities

Thanks for the (you) as much as I'd like to think I don't have ego, a good (you) always makes me feel good. You cats ever want out. My ministry is open for any who will receive me.

Philosophy is literally the most important, if not the bedrock for all knowledge, it starts there. You must learn how to know or you are doomed to be taught.

What jobs can you get that require philosophy degrees other than teaching?

Back in high school philosophy was what interested me the most, but even then I knew that I'd end up flipping burgers at mcdonalds. Mind you, this was before Anon Babble or reddit or other things being popular, a minimal amount of research taught me that there was no money in it.

And university philosophy professors are hacks. I took the mandatory 2 philosophy courses that are used to pad the curriculum together with arts and languages and social sciences, and the extent of the professors' knowledge was memorizing the names of past and contemporary philosophers and theory, but I would bring up points that had never even crossed their minds and flipped their preconceptions and assignments and projects upside down. Real philosophy is not about memorizing historical factoids about whatever Socrates taught 3000 years ago, the courses were just history and sociology lessons.

I am a 36 year old with a PhD in Philosophy. I am $450k in debt and currently working two minimum wage jobs in order to stay alive. I work alongside 18 year olds and whenever they ask about my background I just tell them I've been in prison for a long time, which is less embarrassing than admitting the truth. I am probably the most well-informed Husserl scholar on the North American continent, perhaps in the world. My 1,500 page biography of his life has been rejected several dozen times. No college will take me on since they don't think Husserl is relevant, and that other applicants are therefore pushed to the head of the line. I have had 6 Husserl-related papers published in different journals and philosophical quarterlies, but have earned no money or recognition for having done so. I just moved to Abbeville, Louisiana since there is a job opening at the university in Lafayette and I decided to go all out in order to get it. But I've just found out that my application was rejected and now I'm stuck working at a Wendy's three shifts a week and a Barnes & Noble the rest of the time. I have no wife, no children, and at this point no friends I'm willing to talk to due to the shameful nature of my existence.

i have a master's degree in accounting and am doing fine. however, i don't think most people should go to college. i had friends getting degrees in shit like psychology and communications and i tried to tell them that they were going to be fucked. they got fucked.

It's a versatile degree

Everyone I know with it teaches in the university network here

This is hilariously common.

And what career progression do you think exists in being a lab technician?

I've been down that road before mate, people in the same position as me, a new starter, and they'd been at the company for years. That was the majority position.

Everyone who hasn't spent most of their waking moments seeking some kind of deep religious understanding has an ego. The important thing is that it's kept subordinated in relation to the higher parts of ourselves. I don't know what you're like as a person but from what you've said you seem uncommonly sane and sober (alas, the common bar is very low), and that tells me your ego is probably in a fairly healthy place.

No, philosophy is not a job, it's how to think. What you study in Phil is open ended, but it's on you to continue that education and learn your field better than any professional that trained in standard dogma. It's like obtaining a black belt. It's the beginning of the journey, not the end.

People ask why I don't have a master or PhD, and I reply, why would I ever want to pay further into a system that will teach me nothing. For a piece of paper that says I was a good guy? GTFO!

You are loved, you are beautiful, and you are more powerful than you know! I love threads like this, they give me gnosis.

Humanities majors should be forced to take Econ. Would solve a lot of problems

if people are willing to work mcdonalds for minimum wage
surely they would appreciate a factory job for more than minimum wage?
but, it's plebbit, so he'll just bitch about tariffs.

College professors are evil leftoid boomers who hate to see others succeed for the most part.

phd sucks.
no one wants to pay you more money to do what they can pay a masters to do.
be prepared to be stuck in research or teach.

Thanks anon. I have been surprisingly sober this last decade. I'm down to a couple drinks a week and nicotine. And I hate that, but otherwise Id walk around actually believing I'm Christ, and I need to take edge off from time to time.

I was a devoted Christian from a very young age (of my own accord), recent shunned from my church after receiving gnosis, and now I'm Gnostic. And don't over think that, it just means I'm spiritual and do not identify w religion, but understand there are secrets and reality most don't understand.

Are you on the same boat anon? I rarely bump into others like myself.

sober

job market

philosophy degree

Pick one.

after my undergrad, I had no idea for which job this useless shit was even supposed to qualify me for

so I bought a master on top of it

some people are just too stupid to live. if it wasn't for society almost forcing them to stay alive, they'd have perished long ago.

Nobody gives a shit about humanities anymore its all about technician and production jobs now since thats what keeps the economy going andnot morality since the average zoomer thinks its cuckshit or something. Religion dying is also a factor but 20s century philosophy made it happen.

I just tell them I've been in prison for a long time, which is less embarrassing than admitting the truth.

Blimey.
Reading that hit me hard. I'm sorry, man. My advice to you is if you're going to work menial jobs then be smart about it and get into a driving role like a courier or similar. Something where you rock up early in the morning and load your van and then set off on your route while listening to audio books and music all day while driving. Something like that will give you plenty of time to think and figure things out while getting paid and without the hassle of a boss and co-workers around you all day.

85% of college students have no business being there. Most non-technical degrees are easier than advanced high school courses. Academic rigor is just not a thing these days.
After 2008 college became a daycare for young adults. Turns out if you send a retard to college they don’t become Albert Einstein they just do retard shit while being enrolled in college.

they go into it because they know it will let them cruise by on zero effort for a couple years - but contrary to all the other people who want to do the same and go for a M.Ed., they are also retarded as shit and pick a completely useless field.
at least in the US they have to pay for it themselves and end in debt slavery that forces them to at least be a burger flipper or something, in Germany they'd just waste tax payer money and suffer no punishment for it (outside of not having any marketable skills)

Anyone that shits on Phil... This is my penthouse view in Sochi. I'm always broke, but I manifest it that way. I fucking hate Jew wealth. I do it in style and grace, being vulnerable and honest. Real djedi shit. ;)

They are ok with it because they think there will be no consequences.
Kind of like john d rockefeller's father thinking there would be no consequences for showing up once a week, drunk as shit, to beat his mom and rob his son.
Jews are going to surprise pikachu face when gen z gasses them.
Jews think perception is reality and consequences are the structuralist reality that repeatedly rapes them throughout history.

In the US you're better off getting a chem degree than bio/micro. There is an excess of biology graduates, unless your study falls into whatever niche they're looking for then you aren't even slightly competitive with no experience.
It's fairly dead end unless you can pick up specialized skill sets that you can apply in other labs. If you're not operating a glove box, BSC, or electron microscope then chances are glassware cleaner and data monkey is the ceiling. Maybe he'll become the lab manager when the current one retires, his replacement retires, and he finally kisses enough ass to be recommended to the admin that never stepped foot in the lab.

grad scheme lined up for £32k salary

You can't live anymore on £32k. I finished my physics degree in the early 2010s and postgrad jobs were paying £30k back then.

It's intentional to enslave the youth into the system through the unforgivable debt.

it's hard to get a job directly in chemistry though.
usually, you won't end up in chemistry but just use your transferable soft/hard-skills in unrelated fields.
t. PhD in Chemistry and now I work for an insurance because there were basically zero fucking jobs for chemists
at least I don't smell like solvents anymore though

Never tell redditors that you can buy fake diplomas that nobody will bother to check with the university.

I have a philosophy masters and I make 80k a year. Like most millennials that graduated college, you needed to be over 30 for it to be worth it. At least 1/10 older people are significantly impressed by this. Their generations barely even read books so they have no idea at all what it entails and if you’re a good enough philosopher you should be able to convince people you are smarter than an engineer. But that’s only if you’re smart enough to be a lawyer but also smart enough to not go to law school. For reference, I took about 30k in loans out and now owe about 80, but that was only because I got my masters in my early 20’s. Remember it was designed for you to fail, they all knew there weren’t going to be jobs for us but told us to go to school so there wasn’t any young competive labor. I just pay the few hundred dollars a month because it easy and raises my credit. I shit you not my credit is in the high 700s. Having student debt is like no big deal doesn’t affect my life that much. I’m still able to buy shit, bc the loan officer had 90k in student loans for his finance degree. There are so many unremarkable philosophers that it has actually ruined the profession. Liberal wokeism ruined any kind of teaching or anything I could have done with it. You can step into skilled trades very easily, why work at McDonald’s? It’s because these people can’t actually think, and the workism was just starting when I graduated. I actually did all that work on my own without an AI. I’m a very good interview and I’m constantly being recruited. You cannot put McDonald’s on a resume with a masters. This person probably removed their own genitals too. I’m no longer invested in it, but philosophy is the greater subject on earth and the people they are accepting into the programs are absolutely inept, woke, subject to brainwashing. It’s sad really because the people who should get into these programs should almost actually be smarter than engineers.

Wendy’s chef

hasn't he learned a few things so to be philosophical about his situation?

That's just the reality for most degrees except ones that are actually directly linked to a job like engineering

bona fide aristotle here folks

Pay 100k for education

pick philosophy as your subject

cant find a job

Are americans really this retarded?

My philosophy degree was free. As was my welding degree. God I love living outside of US.

What is the meaning of life? Why am I?

PUT THE FRIES IN THE BAG.

philosophy master can't think of what to do and is having an existential crisis

kek

just inhale oil fumes 60 hours a week bro

The truth is they love being in college, they can fuck off and still look down on the blue collar workers.

yeah, just wanted to put it out there because I saw way too many PhD students during my time who were hellbent on finding a job that is related to their research topic, only to waste a shitload of time on it before they accepted reality and just took some job in another field that still somewhat made sense
the advantage of STEM degrees is that it basically says "this guy is capable of thinking for himself and solving problems", which is a desirable skill for a lot of jobs.

kino

Why is everyone okay with this? Shouldn't we be min-maxing the value of education for all students so they can thrive and help compete with muh China or whatever?

Try to pass law that colleges must only offer valuable degrees to people attending with federal funding/loans

Laqueesha complains that she can't take some useless fucking degree so they can fuck and screw around for 4 years on the taxpayer dime.

Duplicitious politicians make it a race issue, and the whole thing is scrapped.

The education system will never be fixed, because something like 30-40% of the population is too retarded to be educated, but even more of the population is hooked on that 'muh fairness' bullshit and gets assblasted if you try and sort people into 'gets educated' and 'gets to dig ditches'.

Based anon. I'm happy for you. I know a philosopher (real shit, not just a degree) that has multiple kids at a young age and is living life quite well. OP deserves this for not thinking outside the box (which is 90% of finding a good lifestyle, salary or not).

they never stop to think what they are going to do or even what they want to do. They think the opportunities whatever those might be, are all floating around like philosophers are in short supply somehow. In some way you feel bad for them but really they are so infantile they don't think about this they just want to stay in education forever and get pats on the head from their professors

i hope we go all the way and obliterate academia
AI will be a much better replacement

I don't really understand academia.

It's not STEM smugness, but if you're going to grad school and it's not stem of some kind, you are fucking wasting your time. You are a permanent child in super school, forever.

I wonder if he thinks of himself as smart. I wonder if he learned anything from his higher education (don't trust kikes, college is a scam, dei a shit, etc). I wonder if he has the exact same leftist bullshit mindset that those kikes taught him for a small fee, or if his eyes have been opened by this.

"Your penthouse view" is actually a lobby view from the Swissotel Kamelia, why are you shitting your fellow pol'acks?

Networking and mating rituals.
You know, normie stuff.

It's because university education was never meant to be a job training program ...

Crack open one of your old textbooks and read the parts about stoicism.

$100K philosophy degree

never read Aristotle

That's a systemic failure of the education system

Yeah but what jobs require you to think philosophically and don't also require other more important qualifications? the guy said that he's applied to jobs and they also want coding experience or so you'd be better off just learning computer coding without the philosophy degree. Unless you want a job in teaching philosophy it's kind of a luxury qualification that is only good in addition to other things.

Most employers want drones who think as little as possible so I'm surprised he even got a job working in McDonald's.

I graduated in 2010 with a degree in theology. I bought hard into the apocalyptic 2012 end times shit on the internet and thought it was all going to end soon anyway. Had to live with my parents, couldn't get a job except at call centers, ended up joining the military. Still have 36k in debt left

Looks more like a shot from the top of "Tais Hotel" a little further to the south east.
You can see the helipad dock thing from there, but I don't see it from swissotel kamelia.
There's also that pedestrian bridge.

Guy is still lying about things. In line with Philosophy major though I guess.

Schopenhauer is the absolute GOAT.
Normies and """educated""" retards seething

Also, you don't necessarily need to go to university to be able to think philosophically.

Yes but what is money anyway? Were you happier when you were not $100k in debt?
These are questions you can now ask yourself with your degree to distract you from the weight of crippling debt while you work at 7/11

No, I'm 2 blocks up from there in an apartment. We are renting here while the wife and I are looking for permanent residency. Nice try shitting on me, but I don't lie, fren. You can literally see the swiss under me. Haters gonna hate.

Seriously if you are in Moscow or Sochi... I was thinking about posting on /soc to get group going here. Sochi is kino, trad, friendly, warm, cheap, healthy, no chemtrails. I did my research. I'm not joking, you want to get out of the states, I'll give you the blue print.

Current-day humanities is populated by retarded leftists with zero passion for the subject. They're ill-informed normies that got duped by boomers into chasing the illusion of a cushy job and the status that comes with being "educated". Anything but doing math and REAL hard work.
See

This is a tuff one, because it sounds metaphysical. My first career was a concrete mason, switched to math teacher when I started a family. Now I sell a little crypto and and slung some dick at a Russian heiress. Manifest it now, that's the only way I can explain it. When I'm not being a dad, I'm meditating, studying or working out.

You have to escape the Matrix before you learn to control it. I'm still new at it, but I'm getting better.

Real shit. I was in Dubai the same night as the Tate bros, they posted a vid about manifesting and the matrix with their expensive cars. I was running around town eating fafel and smoking w locals. You can make the world you want.

Tais Hotel sounds like a hotel to me, not apartments. But maybe russian hotels are weird, and have some apartments in them too.

Yes that was the case 10 years ago. now though, they're finally raising wages and putting in statements on a the job app like. "interviews must be in person"
its finally healing, don't get me wrong we still have TONS of students going into programming and cyber security despite there being almost no jobs for them.
but i work in desk side support in a warehouse and man, its hard to keep good techs. the pay is decent but the work sucks.
and i've also noticed about 70% of new graduates / cert holders can't get a job and go into a completely different field. most likely due to HR trying their hardest not to hire white males despite 80% of ever class is white males...

not interested in law

Law school is the best option for philosophy grads. Trump is going to start garnishing his wages if he defaulted on his loans

Any finance degree bros in here?

Skill issue. I have a job as a chemist.

If I could quickly post a vid and show you I would. But I'm not here to advertise my social media, or convince anyone. Can't ganish wages if you have none. Plus, stop thinking like fucking wagie in a philosophy thread.

My best friend in uni double majored in Phil and econ, and now he does AI for the DOD. The world is yours friends, you just need courage.

Boomer did not even had a need for degrees. It was always connections and word of mouth. That's why they could get jobs even without degree.

Why are cucks always worried a out being "employable" they'll never be successful with that mentality they need to start their own shit and stop relying on the (((job market)))

what makes someone want a piece of paper for philosophy?
what about your interest in the topic drove you to think you needed to be at a college to study when you have the internet?

The US education system failed me. I was damn near illiterate when I graduated from high school. In community college I had a philosophy prof that actually taught me to read and write, and I was inspired to take it further.

lol I only spent like 30k for my MPhil in a highly specialized discipline and then I naturally went into bartending to make more than a career tenured professor in said discipline per annum

Checked

I wonder what kinds of philosophy he studied?

$100k of debt to read 20 books and talk about it with some communists who claimed this is worth the money

Kek

Physics degrees are for making weapons. Bombs, missiles etc. That's very employable.

hi anon, this is like decade old copy pasta.
also, good luck on Conor being the new prime minister, hopefully he can prevent a civil war over there.

direct decendent of the last Irish King

What does philosophy even teach you?

How to think, not what to think.

How to think about what you’ve done wrong

I live in the CIS and every expat meetup here is already irl Anon Babble (with Anon Babble crossposts in our group chats) so you could just find your local westerners without Anon Babble and have pretty much the same experience.

Can't ganish wages if you have none

As soon as he has wages they will get garnished. I voted for this

Can you give examples of this?

Phil and econ, and now he does AI for the DOD

Because he has some math skills from econ and other knowledge. The redditor can't do math and doesn't know anything else besides philosophy. He's not getting a job doing AI work. Econ majors probably know excel and maybe some python for modeling. Law school is a good option for philosophy only like the redditor

man I really should have studied literally anything else only 17 fucking people know who Quine is

T.me, circa 2012 when I graduated

But its shit. Pay is very low, and its labor intensive--its basically the same labor as a burger flipper, just more analytical.

It was mostly labor shortage and any helping hand helped. Also a reason why wages were higher for most jobs since there was a competition among workers.
Now you have degrees and what not because they wanted to keep the demand moderate to keep wages to some extend acceptable to the masses but now that people are ditching college you will see that going away slowly and wages are going to stagnate for the labor jobs. I kinda think we are a decade away from UBI

Jesus, all you white niggers drew me back, now imma have to face the nobody and Lucifer on /x again... I knew the day would come.

They can't garnish cash or real estate.

My faves were Carnap, Camus, Liebniz, and Pascal. They unlocked some big brain stuff for me. Mainly, they were "defeated" by their counterparts, but were clearly superior to Russel, Satre, Kant, and Newton. The truth is always a lie in our inverted world.

UBI is just gonna be subsidized slavery, you'll have a small portion walking professional careers and the majority being paid to wipe their asses and deliver them uberjeets while being subsidized by UBI. This is why fags like Gates and Altman are shillibg for UBI now. The good and obvious solution is to simply lower the work week to increase the amount of needed workers, but then the homos in silicon valley won't have an excess of underemployed twinks to buy his groceries and buttrape.

Post graduate humanities masters degrees are only useful on a CV as "a masters", or if you want to tech whatever your speciality was.

Thing is, that is also more or less exactly what someone with a humanities masters would want to do anyway so it makes sense.

With a phil MA, he should be trying to find a way into some shit uni somewhere in the world to get experience, or he should be applying for an NGO or government job.

Working at McDonalds is a choice he is making because he dosent want to think outside the box to get what he wants.

Yah, you are right. He is also a genius and was a pro card player at 16. I'm smart, but not DOD smart. I hate coding, it takes a special kind of psycho to do code for banks and defense, but I like psychos, they are fun.

If he'd only had the philosophical forethought to foresee this.

He just isnt trying, there are plenty of things he could do.

Psychology and philosophy are meme degrees for people with shitty grades

Generally you only really come to realize how irrelevant the degree is right around your capstone course and at that point you’re already about to graduate, haven’t double majored, and don’t want to stick around another 1-2years finishing those credits.

is your wife hot?
willing to post a pic of her? doesn't have to show face.
i love russian women.

Lmao at this entire post

How to ask questions, and which questions have already been answered.
Then they tell you you should ask the questions again so you spend more than 6 weeks at the study.

That has to be a fake post. Philosophy degrees are a joke and even the most retarded person knows they are worthless degrees as far as securing jobs goes.

No fuckin way, but for 35 and 2 kids, she still got it. Then again, I don't really care, I don't lust anymore. *Points at his name*

Can you guess her name?

Honestly don’t get discouraged and talk to people – who are interested – about your background and philosophy. A PhD is still impressive to most normies and beyond that to those, who aren’t impressed with a PhD, the merit of your work alone is. Maybe try to look into other countries. Husserl is still big in Germany and the surrounding countries. Either way follow your passion and remember just because something isn’t currently recognized doesn’t mean it’s not of importance. Good luck anon.
Let’s assume you are indeed a chemist with a job in the field, it’s still one anecdote. The fact is that decent jobs in the chemical industry aren’t easy to get – with rare exceptions in certain fields and locations. And there is almost always a splendid amount of luck – ie the right field at the right time and a connection to the right people – involved. If you just follow interesting and in depth things – which a lot of chemists by their nature will do – there is a decent chance gaining access to something will be hard. Quite a few don’t even really consider somebody fresh from university unless he already did multiple internships with them.

i think its more a problem that the kind of people who do them lack the soft skills needed to leverage the degree into a job.

Basically with a humanities degree you should look into teaching, advocacy, policy analysis, or local authority work.

its not as clear cut as Law degree = lawyer, but it is definitely doable if you hussle a little, maybe learn an language or two, be willing to travel etc etc....

In countries where you dont have to go into crippling debt to get an education its probably less of a risk.

What the fuck do you even get out of a masters degree in fucking philosophy besides at best, and if you're lucky, a research position?
Why the fuck would you go invest that much debt into something that very likely has no fucking return lmao because there's barely any jobs for it

Advisors lie. I was told that a music course could be used for substituted for a language course. I took two semesters of classes that didn't count for shit. Then I had to rush summer courses to finish my initial associates before I could move on.

My professors told me that I wrote for academia compared to my peers at my small university and that I should should pursue it so I did because it’s the only time I received encouragement and support up to that point in my life and then I realized I’m pretty fucking stupid but I was too deep at that point to not at least finish it before doing more grad school

People who do a phil Ma would like a research position at a uni. Or alternatively join a political party or NGO etc etc

charles bukowski literally predicted this in Dinosauria, We.

As political landscapes dissolve

As the supermarket bag boy holds a college degree

As the oily fish spit out their oily prey

As the sun is masked we are

Born like this into this

Into these carefully mad wars

Into the sight of broken factory windows of emptiness

Into bars where people no longer speak to each other

Yeah I have a CS degree. It’s essentially a kind of math degree. Everything is abstract and besides a couple coding languages you don’t develop many market specific skills. Everything used in University is also open source so you can’t get experience in enterprise level software unless you do internships or teach yourself.
We really need a more focused jobs training program. Universities are still geared mainly towards academics. They train you to become a PhD and eventually a professor first and foremost. If you graduate and go get a job good for you but that’s not what the system is aiming for.
Best you can hope for is that your university has some ties with big companies that can help you land internships and get that experience so by the time you graduate you have 4 years of job experience under your belt, letters of recommendation, and hopefully a job lined up if you were one of the top interns in the program.

I got an undergrad degree from a major university for almost nothing- and I'm a straight white male from the deep south.

All I had to do was keep my GPA pretty high and the state paid all but $600 of my tuition each year.

(—)

Why the hell are you all taking this ChatGPT bait so seriously? This shit's fake and gay.

The trouble is your professors are all PhD’s who for the most part haven’t worked in the private sector and could care less about what skills are in demand in the current job market. They are focused on their research and bringing in more funding. In STEM some of them have ties to industry but they generally look at the private sector as this icky tainted realm where people deal with this evil substance called “money”. If they didn’t then they’d go into industry and make 4x their salary.

If you want a job find something that relates it to AI, the more it's a meme the better. In his case, there's an entire subfield of AI governance which is based on philosophy.
Why can't people think outside the box?

there should be a student loan forgiveness program where they make the universities and professor pay back the money, because of a new law that makes it illegal to charge students life-crippling amounts of money for degrees that don't translate into well-paying jobs.
also people under 24 years old should not be allowed to go more than 10k into debt for education. everything above that has to be debt made by their parents.

Ironically here in Germany you don’t get into psychology at university unless you are in the top 2 to maybe approximately 4 percentile grade wise depending on the specific university. Or you do wait for roughly 5 or more years.

as these dicks i do suck

into my ass you fuck

Bunch of gobbledygook kys

My professors encouraged me

Of course they did, they had some dumbass willing take years and years for a degree they knew would take them nowhere

It's fun to laugh at strawmen.

Have you ever posted about your story before on 4chins? I feel like I've read something similar from a Husserl scholar as well

Yeah professors will unwittingly fuck your life up cause they have no clue how good they have it and that their career track no longer exists for this generation. Unless you are a top student at harvard/yale/duke etc you have almost no shot of landing a tenure track position at even a podunk 3rd tier state school

Nothing. It is pseudointellectuals sniffing their farts and being miserable. Philosophy promises knowledge, but it gives nothing. Has a philosopher ever invented something useful or were they even happy with their lives? No. They were bitter incel virgins just like half the losers on Anon Babble. If you truly loved knowledge you'd be a scientist, an engineer, a doctor, a biologist.

If there is a single degree that doesn't guarantee a job of at least slightly better than a GED job, then it should be struck from the curriculum

But every single useless degree opens up thousands of fairly decent jobs. The issue is that these degrees are offered by the millions.
And frankly they're massively overcosted regardless of utility, if my uni (which is ranked by burgers above 90% of american unis) can hand me a MA for less than 10k without any scholarship involved there's no reason why you guys have to pay ten times as much.

A degree isn’t for getting a job. The sooner you get that through your head, the better. College isn’t for getting a job. Education isn’t for getting a job. Jesus tittyfucking christ I hate this anti-intellectual, uber-materialistic, wisdom-allergic society.

Education isn’t for getting a job.

Correct. Certificating your education (which is the whole point of unis) on the other hand has no other purpose than entering the job market, so your post is still retarded.

what is Aristotlian logic

who was Diogenes

This man gets it. Salute!

Aristotle was a homosexual. Diogenes was a homeless brokie and public masturbator. These people are completely unimpressive, you can find people with their same characteristics anywhere. Just go to the slums or your local Burger King.

o7

They will be remembered for all time.
You will be forgotten in a minute.

Physics is the fucking best BSc, no cap.
After it, you can go to finance, consulting, DS & AI (my classmates experience). Basicly, limitless opportunities, if top uni.

t. BSc in physics, currently MSc in Quant Finance

Likes philosophy but doesn't like law. What else did he think he would be doing? Writing textbooks? Giving random people advice for money? That's like studying history but not wanting to go into the military, education or government. He should give Constitutional Law a try. Or keep low waging.

The problem isn’t the degree, it’s that he keeps stupidly applying to fucking tech jobs. Look for work at consulting firms or he’ll just go for a paralegal or adjunct position either of those will pay better than minimum wage.

What good are memories after death? Why would I need validation from other people when I have everything I need inside me?

The transition from colleges as a place of higher learning to a trade school for engineers and programmers has killed academia as a respected institution.

My girlfriend has a classics PhD and specializes in Latin poetry. She got that shit for free because Europe and now works at a great school in the US. I wonder if she knows how lucky she is...

Not so much anymore - with state and federal research getting gutted and the private sector already saturated, physics, chem, and bio grads are about to become the new CS majors.

Validation?
Hahahaha
Fuck your Validation. They will be remembered because their ideas were good.

Shove your upvotes up your ass.

Upvotes don't make an idea good.

phylosophy is a fun hobby of mine
i talk a lot about it with the AI, it refines my wit and deepens my wisdom like only a wall could refine the skills of the ping pong player facing it
i get new perspectives on things, and AI always has good sources to share, while the AI improves on it's language modules, context analisys and data crossrefferencing
it's a mutually benefitial things

only difference is that we do it for free in my spare time...

if you study philosophy and don't immediatelly realize philosophy is mostly useless now a days you are shit philosopher to begin with
even the greeks who invented symposiums and birther the western world only remembered their greatest philosophers for their military service to their respective state cities
They even coined the Sophist term to wield as a slur against all those who made a living out simply being a philosopher, which exactly what this moron in the OP did
no matter the era
nobody likes idea guys

What kind of jobs do people with philosophy degrees even do?

Philosophy is a good degree.

Being a NEET

nobody likes idea guys

Good news for you.

I mean it’s not completely worthless. It’s a university career track sort of major. Maybe you need to be a non-white or woman to get fast-tracked into a career in education but I’m sure if he ground it hard enough there’d be a school somewhere that’ll hire him. Although he might be low-IQ and gravitated towards philosophy to begin with because it was an “easy” / comfortable school lifestyle track. Maybe he’s the type who never wanted to leave school and knew that as debt piled up he was studying something that had no private sector job application but just did his best to not think about it and focused on his lifestyle. I wonder how many people would never leave school is they could keep piling on debt forever. I wonder how many people are in higher education who really have no place in it and who are just there because society has figured out a way to put them there?

I’m not interested in X Y Z or doing something different because no one actually cares about degrees

wahhh how do I escape minimum wage slavery!?!?

Maybe just stop being retarded, you're a philosophy major, think about it lol

based

This is the kind of people that would benefit from having factory jobs rather than being clogging the service sector

that's the most important question of philosophy one teory suggest MCjobs but those are being automated

I’d argue there are no “bad” degrees because even people with things that seen like total memes end up doing well.

It’s about being self driven and assertive.
Someone with a gender studies degree could be an exec at your company making sure everyone meets the DEI quotas and being paid high 6 figures for it.

People who go to school just to go don’t have drive so they end up like this wimp who won’t go into Law for some dumb reason as if being “happy” in your job matters.

Make shitty videos on YouTube probably, it's probably their only hope because they will not get any real job

Academia was respected because that's where the upper class sent their kids to 'mature'. If you're rich, it doesn't really matter if your heir gets a philosophy degree or an engineering degree, since you're old money and he doesn't actually have to or expect to work after graduation.

Academia was adult daycare for the kids of the rich and people don't understand that a philosophy degree opened doors for those kids because of what their last name was. The degree didn't really matter.

youtube.com/watch?v=7qz13Chz_84

just a guy walking through miama, south ebach etc in 4k. Apparently not as many niggers I thought it was.

Teaching Philosophy

Philosophy

Cmon now

Any degree where all the learning comes from books is worth $0 because you can download all those books for free.

philosopher

He can try squatting in a tub outside a temple

This. The issue isn’t useless degrees as much as useless students. Bottom line is about 75% of students currently going to college shouldn’t be.

CHECKED!!!!!

shoulda gotten a job a ye ole philosophy factory.
Lomamo

Philosophy was even a meme degree in the 1960s even when public intellectuals were taken semi seriously.
WTF advice this guy was getting?

unemployable

ftfy

Philosophy and Sociology were always joke degrees but yeah, even thirty-five years ago when I was in university, most people had no business being there.
but it was seen as a ticket to the middle class lifestyle and got treated as such.

even mcjobs are ending:

McDonald's reported its worst quarterly sales for the United States since the height of the pandemic in 2020, the latest restaurant chain to be affected by America's turbulent economic environment. The burger giant reported U.S. same-store sales fell 3.6%, the largest three-month drop since Q2 2020, when they plunged 8.7%. Forecasts had been for a decline of just 1.7%. "Consumers today are grappling with uncertainty," McDonald's Chairman and CEO Chris Kempczinski said in a statement, as the chain cited lower guest counts.

In a follow-up call with investors, McDonald's executives said that traffic among middle-income diners fell by "nearly double digits" alongside an ongoing drop-off among low-income ones. As an example, they said more people appear to be skipping breakfast entirely to cut back on spending, or eating breakfast at home. "People are just visiting less," they said.

could be mistaking cause vs effect. maybe all the mccorps are being killed off by employing the philosophy phds and no job teenagers because they're the cheapest.

My parents let me sign a master promisary for a private school I had no business going to.
Idk why I chose it.
I was never counciled on college other than "everyone else is going".
I wanted out at semester but my Dad didn't have time for me and said we already paid for housing.
I don't know how much I owe.
I have my bachelors and a lot of debt and can't even secure a promotion from an entry level position.

(((it))) was never about education at all. It's all lies and slavery because (((usurers))) are straight up demonic satanists.

I don't really understand academia.

you need to understand credentialism brain to get it.

it goes like this:

be leftist pleb

have zero idea how the material world operates, live in the world of words

if you want something, you yap for it and it is provided to you

have zero conception of the bulk of productive human activity being a service or creation of a product

don't ask yourself: how will I make other people pay me after I finish degree

instead, imagine world as a collection of professional hierarchies, with people with more illustrious degrees higher and those without at the very bottom

you want to be somebody, riiight? but math is so hard/boring, lemme go with this wordy shit over here

tadaa~ you are now flipping borig with a 100k burgerbuck debt hanging over you and the robot arm is about to take your job

I'm not interested in law

Lmao what. Is he more interested in flipping burgers? Swallow your pride and make some more money, fucking idiot
In an ideal world I wouldn't be doing my current job but I make $200k (worthless leafbucks) a year doing boring steady work.

comparing algorithms

O complexities are primarily measured with the axiomatic-deductive method, making it a branch of mathematics. Theory of computation is pure maths that most engineers can't handle without some visual metaphor about tiny Turing machines. Go into type theory, lambda calculus, Curry-Howard correspondence and those break down.
Computer Science is properly viewed as a offshoot of mathematics with a peculiar focus on real world application (most of the time). It's not like an astrophysics degree that teaches you about software used in the profession makes it less of a science.

CS is more the T in STEM despite its name

It depends on the course. Some courses only offer mathematics and advanced topics to bachelors as electives. Some schools properly distinguish computer engineering as a degree and offer a course in it that will only skim the theory but provide a larger focus on tooling and languages. Both of which will become obsolete by the time they finish their degree, but whatever.

that is most definitely true.
I was never that driven but got into what was for me and ideal job. I could start late, only did two hours of work that was mostly what other people didn't like doing, and spent the rest of the day on the internet.
it's all about figuring out what you really want vs requisite effort
get into office work if there are temporary agencies in your state.
but how the hell did you rack up that much?
you seriously need to learn financial management beyond crude monthly budgeting. You need to understand money.
money is an abstract so you should be able to. you need to learn how to draw it to yourself. it can be done.
try richhabitspoorhabits.com/

get over equating poverty with morality. even the Bible isn't against being wealthy, only in placing wealth before God. Read the Parable of talents.

Definitely not dude. Chem was a joke we all were told about. Its either medical or doing test vials at some lab for minimum wage forever. Only two choices.

Enrolled in Barrel University

you might think I'm being presumptuous and I probably am. But think about it because people's attitudes is what determines their fate and it is the hardest thing to change.
As for your line of expertise, Europe might be a better option. Worth looking into.
anyway, you get what you focus on. if you see a lock on every door they will stay locked. convince yourself you have a master key. You may be an expert on Husserl but maybe he's wrong?

I never understood why you burgers insist on paying 50k+ yearly for a private uni (outside of law/medicine) instead of sending the kids over to an euro uni where living expenses+uni costs can be managed for 20k-25k a year

Academics don't like private sector because private sector generally restricts what researchers are permitted to research. It doesn't mean they think it's "icky" or that they fear being "contaminated" by "decadent capitalism" or whatever retarded shit you're spouting, it's just a difference in research philosophy. Private offers more guarantee of support but less flexibility in research, academic offers more flexibility in research, but less guarantee of support. Both serve a function and contribute to balanced progress, which is why it's disturbing to see the latter being systematically dismantled now.

Philosophy hasn't been relevant in over 2000 years. It's always been considered the meme degree. The only use is to teach.

idk why people do this. I'm from Quebec and I got paid to do my undergrad, then I got paid more to do my PhD. I'm not getting rich or anything, but at least I'll have some savings and a PhD. I don't understand why Americans go to university. Doesn't make sense in their situation.

manifest

You have poor reading comprehension.

a masters too, not a phd or JD. he still needs professional skills and experience for jobs.

he can still apply for entry level jobs and get trained

Academics might feel that way but their funding depends on their graduates being successful and their degrees being seen as meaningful.
Neither are true currently.

The replies to that thread are such bullshit

get an administrator job

I can’t nobody will hire me

downvotes from retard Redditors with worthless degrees who don’t like to hear the truth

well like become a receptionist at a doctors officer or vet for less money then you make at McDonald’s!

Kek

professional skills and experience

You mean like the things you do to get a degree?

Because if you’re relatively smart and do well in school you get shamed by pretty much everyone if you don’t go to college, sounds stupid to listen to it but at 17 years old you’re impressionable. Also a lot of retards with student debt don’t like when people aren’t hunkered down with the same consequences they have so they also push people to make the same mistakes they did because misery loves company.

It wouldn't be as much a problem if there were more engineering math and science employers but if you think about it, there are severe limitation on how much engineering and scientific work is done inside the US by US citizens.
Companies go to cheap bottom of the barrel chink and indian markets for their generic products, higher education research is farmed out to imported "students" (slaves), manufacturing is extremely rare for the majority of products that are made today, and the best farmland has been supplanted by big office buildings for pushing info back and forth. How can we say we're surprised? Instead universities just trick students into majors they know won't pay off fine arts, philosophy, and that's not even getting to the truly egregious subjects. There is fairly little economic incentive in our economy to push for employment for land sanitation and reclamation, so instead the old bones of old companies and cities are just left there to rot and take up space that's too expensive (or dangerous due to the people living there) to redevelop. It's really no wonder why kids can't find jobs and it rests squarely on the shoulders of the industries' decision makers.

Nooooooooooooo!!!!! Noooooooooooo!!!!!!!! Im special!! Smarter than my stupid professors who stole 100k from Me. I’m a philosopher!! Respect me!! I wasn’t trained on excel, not fair.

They could theoretically levy on his personal property.

Imagine not having a philosophy degree

Unironically I do think it's not fair, instead of creating a better future for a country that sorely needs it, kids are sold the two options of get a philosophy degree that won't do anything for you and kill yourself immediately afterward or get trained on excel and push some numbers around on a screen where your boss will lock the door and throw away the key as you endlessly toil and slowly kill yourself in menial desk labor. Even those that tried to escape these heinous options are met with a sinking ship of a society in the vast majority of places.

What's the best bachelor's you can get right now now that CS is dying?

A two-year manufacturing degree at community College.

I don't understand why Americans go to university

We are brainwashed from the moment we enter school that if we don't go to college, we're worthless losers who will work as burger-flipping slaves.

I don't understand why Americans go to university

I'm living proof of what happens when you don't go to university: a lifetime of shit jobs and low pay. It's a REAL bummer.

Medical, as the population ages.
Boomers throw money at anything medical.
It's fake and gay but you get paid.

And I still have never had a gf. Just pointing that out for good measure.

Even in science and engineering there is a brain drain problem right now
Everyone young is job hopping because employers don't value loyalty like they used to. Old farts with decades of knowledge on the company process/machinery are retiring and not sufficiently passing on their knowledge to the younger generations, partly because they aren't paid enough to care about passing it on and another being they don't stay long enough to have that expertise.

The evidence says otherwise.

What's stopping you? Get on tinder and find someone.

no, actually. a degree isnt professional, on field experience, it's education. a degree is the pre requisite for the job.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=92vV3QGagck

In 2010 the government took over student lending, ending the FFEL program and replacing it with the federal Direct Loan program. Before 2010, student loans were primarily offered through the FFELP, where banks and private lenders issued loans, and the federal government guaranteed them. Something went wrong and now your in debt your never going to pay off

those who can, do
those who can't, pay
those who can't pay

Don't listen to him go on Hinge if you actually want dates
Tinder is for hookups, bumble is larp

Lol, funny joke.

Never been above povertyline.
All my bosses lied cheated and stole to get where they are.
I had an interview with them recently and one was sounding out the words of the pre-written questions he was given to ask me.

checked
also

studying philosophy at university

not reading the primary sources yourself

NGMI

All my bosses lied cheated and stole to get where they are.

The grim reality of the managerial and executive world
Very few actually got their by building something proper
Most just backstab there way up like Satan himself

Indeed.

All my bosses lied cheated and stole to get where they are.

It's the only way to get ahead. No one successful didn't get there without fucking over at least 1 person.

It's not a joke. Busy and/or agoraphobics have no other way to meet someone.

Yes, education comes before experience. A degree is not only proof of education but proof of reliability and merit.
Any monkey can learn "field experience" and eventually get it right.

/thread

but their funding depends on their graduates being successful and their degrees being seen as meaningful.

you sweet summer child... nobody tell him! leave him pure

Stem got taken over by pajeets
All that’s left is Medical and trades

It's not a joke
More and more dudes are taking the same route as you and the yaps and just opting out of society in general. This is leaving a gap of rosaries who can't get chads left on the table practically begging for someone to actually date them and not just pump and dump
Met my gf on Hinge a few years ago and going to propose this year

boomers ruined medical and trades and pushed for absurd amounts of "learning" and "accreditation". Whereas you could be a medic in your twenties, you are still in school in your mid thirties.

My entire career has pretty much been lying and bullshitting my way up kek. I don’t backstab anyone because I’m not a kike and I’d likely be even further in my career if I did backstab people but I lie so much and am only ever rewarded for it. Like right now everyone thinks I’m on a sales call but really im sitting at a McDonald’s posting on here.

And for what?

They got educated, that's the entire purpose of higher education. You learned about philosophy.
If they want an applicable job, they need to start writing essays and papers to get their name out there. A think tank is not going to hire an unknown with no published writings just because they have a degree in philosophy.

Boomers combined with the college institutions themselves pushing the propaganda because they profit off it
The problem with boomers is college did equate to value in their day. It doesn't anymore since it's oversaturated to fuck

kek based

If I could do it again I’d go into finance, whatever that took

Goes 100k into debt to beg and plead for a job

Sounds like outstanding value

shut the fuck up retarded faggot

t.chemist

We have people with masters in chemistry working for peanuts in the quality lab
Suck it nerds

Get back in the lab, techie

t. Chemical engineer

that has to be bait

Why are know-nothing impressionable youth being heavily lied to and promised opportunities for a degree everyone knows will result in nothing?

Because it's a scam basically.

Digits

I'm bad at lying but good at strategic truths. I'm buying what you are selling. I just can believe how rampant it is. When I call them out they leave me alone for a while, that has become my work strategy, noticing what others have done then when I'm under the microscope start asking questions.

this is Obama's fault because there isn't a single private company that would have lent out this $100k for that trash degree

Philosophy is a pre-law degree.

Because it's a scam basically.

Not basically, it flat out is for most degrees. Colleges gotta rack in that money to buy athletes somehow!

Why can’t you get our fucking charge tables right you retard it’s your one fucking job and us technicians are doing it for you “I HaVe to wRiTE aNOthEr CAPA”
Oh the capa about you not being able to add two fucking numbers together?? REEEEEEEE

Specifically, their parents telling them to go to college during the most retarded period of their adult lives.

Go to the dark side and work marketing.

Money is a societal tool used to direct resources to productive ends. Are there fuck ups, yes.
As a thinker you should have thought about how you wanted to impact the world. There’s no way he didn’t get a job at a non profit. He can start his own non profit. He can open a tutoring center. He can join the army as an officer. He can write a book. Do something!

this was generated by chatGPT isn't it

Realistically, why should I pay this back, when I can just... leave?

Everyday I'm thankful I'm not drowning in the shit show that is large companies

They/Them could go teach or learn the subjects that the jobs asked about but it’s easier to sit on their ass eating McDonalds and complain on Reddit for karma.

College isn't job training that gives you a golden ticket to a high-paying job. They paid for a "quality" education. It's expensive, but they could've went to a less-prestigious place

this.
if he wasn't going for the PhD in the first place he fucked up.

I got a BA in Philosophy and a BA in Psychology becuase the philosophy program at my school made it a requirement to double major.
my loans were at 20k

t. BSc in physics

ETH or poser?

I got it for free while setting in my room, bored as hell during blackouts.

College isn't job training that gives you a golden ticket to a high-paying job. They paid for a "quality" education. It's expensive, but they could've went to a less-prestigious place

Nobody spends on 100k on their future without expecting some form of ROI unless they're an absolute retard
The 'quality' education is also the scam part. They get jewed into believing some fancy school in Cali will be worth it when in reality it's flat out not. Most degrees don't even need a professors, you just need the book and a brain

they said it was a versatile respected field- that it would open door and prepare me for a wide range of careers

holy shit thats scary
least im not in debt or mackin the micky d

That's the thing, I actually am employed in my field. I didn't major in philosophy, and while I pride myself on the self inflated idea that my thinking is better than most, I also see just how rare my situation truly is, I feel as though I've had to watch car wreck through car wreck and navigated out of it but the truth is that luck played a large part too, and that is so aweful because, as you say money is a tool to redirect resources to productive ends, well what happens when a society is broken so deeply that it is told to be unproductive while keeping the appearance of productivity? Why have we allowed our country to crumble like this at it's foundation. A foundation of people and their lives and their loves, not money, not resources, not pleasure, not instant gratification, not empty approval seeking. If we are using money to collectively negatively affect that, than the transfer of money becomes worthless. We could use it to make us more efficient in producing a world we want to live in, but we're not. So what are we even doing talking about things like "productivity" as if they are some blessed moral virtue?

He can rest easy with the knowledge that subservience and humility are virtues of the human spirit.

Large public companies are shit to work for. Small private companies are shit to work for. Large private companies are kino as fuck

You spend your whole life doing what other people tells you to do, you parents, teachers and professors. That's the way people are being indoctrinated to think and behave, just do what others tell you and everything will be fine.
Once you are done with uni/college, it turns out is up to you to forge your own path and life and no one is going to tell you what to do.
You feel betrayed, cheated on even, because everything up to that point has been a lie and you don't know what to go after that.
The sad truth is that our education system is focused and following the rules and not for thinking for yourself, the system is just imitating what successful people have done in hope the students will reach the same level of achievement, what they are missing is that those people have always gone far and beyond, outside and the box, and schools are designed for people to do the bare minimum to get back and that bites them in the ask when they are adults.

they're taught how to think, which doesn't include 'out of the box'

And actually I agree with you, he should do something, he should pivot into doing something he was not taught or never considered as his path forward, because that's the situation he is in now. But most kids are not taught how to pivot, they're often implicitly taught pivoting is frowned upon. And even if he does successfully pivot, it was wrong for him to have been naively lead into this situation in the first place at the cost of his wallet.

I took a huge loan to major on something I could learn on my free time in a year

I purposefully ignored a career path that is the most popular for the useless degree I got

I'm going to double down on my useless degree

I live to see redditors suffah

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Good luck working with the pajeets in production, I am surrounded by pussy, earn more than you and don't have to work at night except pikett.

Somebody in the short term clearly benefited from his naivety and it certainly wasn't him. I think the word scam applies just fine.

Completely correct, except in my experience I have never met a long term employee in a corporate office that had knowledge worth passing on, they just keep their heads down like most others. They are too drained or lazy to apply for other jobs, or maybe they just don't hate it as much as me.
I job hopped and my salary went up almost 20k. I've never worked for more than 2 years in any workplace.

Loyalty not only NEVER pays off, hard work and trying to improve internal processes don't pay off either. What pays off is getting experience, a shiny badge for my CV, and hop to another ship if it's a better deal.

My boss who can barely read has never went above and beyond. He is black though.

pajeets in production

No jeets where I live/work. Only time I interact with them is when I have to call up Sulzer for internals

Surrounded by pussy

Sure, but I've got a gf so I'm good

Earn more than you

Doubtful, especially after taxes since I'm in a haven state

don't have to work at night

Neither do I
I work small private and it's not bad. How many companies are large private??

you are correct, luck, motivation and connections also play a major factor on success, nothing of that is taught in a school.

It's more navigating your professor's ciriculum, completing tasks on time, exploring different ways to complete the assigned task.

Doubtful

you get more than 130k / year?

Loyalty not only NEVER pays off, hard work and trying to improve internal processes don't pay off either. What pays off is getting experience, a shiny badge for my CV, and hop to another ship if it's a better deal.

He speaks the grim truth

Damn, I suppose I don't. I'm 28 @ 102k pre-tax

Well it's also normal I'm in fucking Basel the core of European pharma industry.
I'm 31.
You might consider coming here if the USA collapse.
High IQ white americans are always well accepted.

CS pay was never high to begin with. The average was high because of silicon valley jobs at the top end, but median jobs in regular locations were always just the normal rate for an engineer in that area. Too many kids went into CS expecting silicon valley salaries in the middle of bumfuck Kansas and then were disappointed the jobs they can find start at "only 60k/year" out of college.

Ah pharma core, that makes sense
I would consider if I was single. I thought about doing a PhD in Germany but then COVID hit right when I finished my masters. I doubt I could convince my gf though unless the country quite literally collapses

20k-25k a year

I studied at the best ranked engineering university in Italy, tenth in the world. The tuition was 3500 euros a year and the expenses in the city were around a thousand euros a month. Burgers are retarded

Typically parents help fund their kids college and are desperate to keep them within a reachable distant for contact. High cost uni's are retarded in general though, yea

This shit's baffling to me. Last time I changed jobs I spent the last three weeks putting together materials to help whoever they were going to hire to replace me get caught up to speed on the new role and make the transition as smooth as possible.

That's just common courtesy.

The problem is, even three weeks worth of materials sometimes isn't enough to compensate for decades of experience within a certain industry. Onboarding packages can only do so much.
They should be hiring on someone on so they can Garner that expertise for at least a year. You should never have only 1 person for a certain role if you can avoid it.

GOOD