Jesus Non-Existence General /jneg/

That one was actually real.

Possibly, but the origins of the traditional John narrative are shrouded in the mists of history; it's difficult to know what to make of them.

John does have SOME independent attestation (unlike Jesus), but even that may not be original to the Josephus manuscript in which it's found.

The Mandean holy texts were all written some centuries later, unfortunately, so they aren't of much help.

The Romans have documents on all of them. You are a lying Jew.

is an ideologue

Maybe, but what does that have to do with the non-existence of Jesus?

The Romans have documents on all of them.

All of those documents were written at least 150 years after Jesus' supposed death, making them worthless.

Simple Jesus existed as a historical person and anyone who doesn't believe it is retarded and a liar.

Simple Jesus existed as a historical person

Citation needed mate

Bart Ehrman et al. Stop pretending.

Bart Ehrman et al.

Bitch I want a citation from an ancient manuscript, not from fucking Bart "I'm going to make up imaginary documents to make my arguments work" Ehrman

everything I don't like is fake

Go read. I accept your admission of defeat.

The Mandean holy texts were all written some centuries later

Their view of jesus is very interesting though ie a renegade who betrayed john out of ego etc
It's the only thing that makes me suspect someone called jesus actually existed despite the obvious mythic and fictional nature of the biblical character

Go read. I accept your admission of defeat.

Bitch if you're going to rely on modern interpretations of the available evidence, at least quote someone who's an actual historian

Bart Ehrman

Midwit who is NOT a classical scholar nor an historian nor an archaeologist

Spams the board everyday screaming that the jews are the chosen people and that bad goy who said their not isn't real

I forgot how based it was to literally shill the Talmud here
"YOU'RE JEWISH IF YOU DENY THE TRIBE ARE THE CHOSEN"
Yeah, real based and redpilled take

Yeah, I want to join the Mandeans IRL just for trolling value, but apparently they're all being hunted down by the Mohammedans

Loads got murdered by mad muzzies in iraq. Quite sad actually. Their creed is fascinating and clearly gnostic ie gnosticism precedes christfaggotry? I would say yes.
They hate animal sacrifice and circumcision.

ie gnosticism precedes christfaggotry? I would say yes.

Me too

You will see repeatedly in the Gospel of John the statement that John the Baptist was not the Christ, not worthy of tying Jesus's sandals etc. Everyone around the world would eventually be addressed and have the chance to accept or deny the one commandment and belief in what Jesus spoke, even them. And 2000 years later, it is important for OP Pbuh of the British Caliphate to deny the very force which made the country strong and worth living in. Like John said Jesus spoke in Chapter 16:2: Those that kill in the name of the Father will never know the Father, and it was Jesus who wants you to know it was Him who warned you about them. Let everyone with ears, hear! Woe to those who ignore the Word of God!

Fuck christ niggers, the ultimate shabbos goys

This.
Christ created Earth He said so himself.
Satancucks will seethe.

Their symbol is even a cross with a white sash - symbolising the soul trapped by the 4 elements of the material world

Jesus IS Yahweh/Jehovah

You will see repeatedly in the Gospel of John the statement that John the Baptist was not the Christ, not worthy of tying Jesus's sandals etc.

The writer doth protest too much

to deny the very force which made the country strong and worth living in.

White people

Woe to those who ignore the Word of yahweh

Ftfy

Yhwh was a cunt though
Straight up evil, psychotic and insane.

Your jew books are nonsense yahwehcuck

Yahweh has only got one Baal

I am not a Christian but the fact is that the existence of Jesus is accepted by the vast majority of historians, Christian and non-Christian.

Richard Carrier is in the minority for even secular historians on this issue. And even he says that there is a 1/3 chance Jesus existed.

By far the best evidence for the existence of Jesus comes from Paul writing that he met Jesus' brother. Not even Carrier doubts the existence of Paul, but he claims that Paul was talking about brother in a spiritual sense and not a real brother. But he is in the minority on this issue.

There are other sources for Jesus' existence but they aren't as powerful as Pauls claims.

Does this mean everything else in the Bible is true? Fuck no, but that isn't the point.

Lmao. Top kek.
El has all the Baals - including yhwh

Just prove he exists and I will listen to anything else you have to say with an open mind

There are other sources for Jesus' existence but they aren't as powerful as Pauls claims.

Yikes

Argumentum ad populum fallacy

Paul is as mythical as the biblical jesus btw and modern linguistics prove it

Wrong satan prima happened la sallte happened moon miracle happened to me you live in a globe container satnist sarkozy bot nice fucking Jewish nostradamaus hister same flat earth magi method then your lies are not unburning maui hollywood pizzrael or northern ireland why do you not play fallout new Vegas and old world blues you cannot get right inbred lying shit eating jeet jew or retarded semen drinking asshole

Nope. Perfectly Holy and Just and Loving. He could have wiped out humanity many many times but only did it once with the Flood.

You genuinely think a fake person could influence history to such a degree that it affected 10s of billions of people and not crumble under it's own weight?

Perfectly Holy and Just and Loving.

Utter rubbish
Exodus and Numbers 31 for example. Clearly a cacodemon or a kike creation. In any case - EVIL.
Yahweh is not God.
Abrahamists are demon worshipers.

I am not a Christian but the fact is

The fact is, mate, you haven't read a single history book in your entire life, have you

By far the best evidence for the existence of Jesus comes from Paul writing that he met Jesus' brother.

Yeah, that would be good evidence, but Paul didn't write that passage and, in any case, it's clear in the original Greek that a biollogical brother is not being described.

There are other sources for Jesus' existence but they aren't as powerful as Pauls claims.

All of them written at least 150 years after Jesus' supposed death, who fucking cares

Greek Mythology says Gods live on Mount Olympus

Mount Olympus exists

Therefore Zeus is real and must live there

You genuinely think a fake person could influence history to such a degree that it affected 10s of billions of people

You mean fake like Adam, Abraham, Moses, King David and all the rest of them?

Oh look, an israelite
If you succeed at destroying Christianity (you will not) pisslam will submerge you

You genuinely think a fake person could influence history to such a degree that it affected 10s of billions of people and not crumble under it's own weight?

defaulting to experts on an issue you are not an expert on is not argumentum ad populum, i just got done explaining this to a fucking flat earther last night. i never claimed i was making a logical proof based on these historians. and
obviously OP thinks the opinion of historians count for something otherwise he wouldn't have posted a book Richard Carrier.

Paul is as mythical as the biblical jesus btw and modern linguistics prove it

oh yeah? here is Richard Carriers opinion of that statement: richardcarrier.info/archives/7643#:~:text=And these are beings all,and had effects on history.

but Paul didn't write that passage

by the standards of ancient historians, and hand writing analysis, yes he did and Richard Carrier - the mythicist posted in OP - agrees.

a jew's handwriting is evidence

Just like the anne frank diary

Even kikes admit Jesus existed. What are you going on about?

jews say something about something and aren't lying

the worst part is that Paul used a ball-point pen 2000 years before they were invented

defaulting to experts on an issue you are not an expert on is not argumentum ad populum

Appeal to authority is also a fallacy esp when most biblical scholars are
1/ CLUELESS about the wider classical world and history
2/ Christfags ie biased

oh yeah?

Yeah

and

obviously OP thinks the opinion of historians count for something

Depends on whether those historians' opinions are based on (1) a close and thoughtful examination of ancient manuscripts or (2) sticking their heads up their own arses and licking it clean

by the standards of ancient historians, and hand writing analysis,

What?

Even kikes admit Jesus existed

Kikes generally haven't read any more ancient manuscripts than most Christians have, how the fuck would they know?

Appeal to authority is also a fallacy esp when most biblical scholars are

1/ CLUELESS about the wider classical world and history

2/ Christfags ie biased

And 3/ dependent on the incomes on evangelical parents paying for their brats to be educated in Bible studies departments

I'm sure the apostles died for someone who does not exist. It's ridiculous. Richard Carrier is a clown and so are you.

Depends on whether those historians' opinions are based on (1) a close and thoughtful examination of ancient manuscripts or (2) sticking their heads up their own arses and licking it clean

and on what basis do you claim the majority of historians, both secular and non-secular, are doing that with Jesus? what would be in it for the secular historians?

What?

in ancient history they examine hand writing of ancient documents to verify they were written by the same person. Richard Carrier talks about this in his article that I posted if you want to read it.

I'm sure the apostles died for someone who does not exist

That is all propaganda from later centuries, none of those tales represent actual historical events

Go ahead, anon, prove me wrong and find an ancient manuscript that describes any one of those killings

Jesus was a criminal piece of shit and a scumbag. Fuck that cocksucker Jesus.

a retard was duped into dying for a Jew

Here, a Buddhist monk sets himself on fire for his beliefs, surely he did not die for something that does not exist.
youtube.com/watch?v=OxrBik16Hzg

Jesus Non-Existence General /jneg/

The Historicity of Jesus by Richard Carrier

A psyop so fake and gay that even the kikes who invented it have abandoned it.

Get better material if you want engagement, you homofag shit eater.

and on what basis do you claim the majority of historians, both secular and non-secular, are doing that with Jesus?

They spent 40 years on an entirely futile "quest for the historical Jesus" which has achieved exactly fuck all

in ancient history they examine hand writing of ancient documents to verify they were written by the same person

What are you talking about, mate? We don't have any of these documents written in the hand of the original authors, they're all copies written by later scribes.

Richard Carrier

HAHA!!! That fool couldn't get a job at a uni if his life depended on it. He couldn't even find 20 "historians" that agree with him. This "Jesus didn't exist" myth is pure cope from spiritual jews (and often real ones).
OP is a coping jew puppet joke that gets blown out every time lol

none of those tales represent actual historical events

99% of historians disagree
It's so fun laughing at you. You've kept up this cope for years and changed exactly zero minds

Precisely

He couldn't even find 20 "historians" that agree with him.

Oh no not YOU again

t. buttblasted yahwehcuck

He's so non-existent that he lives rent-free in your head 24/7.

Richard Carrier

From 1995 to 2015, he was married to Jennifer Robin Carrier. Announcing their divorce, Carrier revealed that he ispolyamorous, and the last two years of their marriage had been anopen relationship.

A literal fucking cuck GEG

kike puppets dodge the fact Carrier can't even find 20 "historians" who agree with his delusion that Jesus did not exist

HAHA!!
It's even more embarrassing that he's your biggest source.
You're pathetic in every way
OP spiritual kike even admitted "maybe" Carrier is an awful historian
archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/494457204/#494468311

>Yeah he's an awful historian.

Maybe,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Imagine being so pathetic that your years-long cope myth that Jesus didn't exist (he did, it's a fact) relies primarily on someone you admit is maybe an awful historian.

You're the biggest joke on Anon Babble and so is your delusion that Jesus did not exist.

still promoting your book i see. how sad

99% of historians disagree

For the sake of curiosity, do you really believe that 99% of historians agree that, for example, Thomas the Apostle was killed by a spear in India, even though the first source for that claim is a text published in Syria about 200 years after his supposed death, and the Church considers that text to be fictional?

But Carrier is a degenerate?

Maybe, but what does that have to do with the non-existence of Jesus?

Lolol

This is some Reddit tier retardation. Obviously he existed. You can reject ot slander Christ, but to deny he existed is retarded. Do you honestly not have anything better to do?

Jesus is mentioned very early on by Tacitus. He is mentioned in the Talmud. Aswell as the Gospels etc. But just common sense dictates that there would be a nucleus to early Christianity

The onus is on you to disprove his existence which you cannot

Don't be such a spastic mate

literally a pic of a jinn a demon

what they did to Thomas was not ethical behavior he was most likely thinking oh LORD why do I have to go to india

lol, why do Indians eat shit?
Is it because they are so weak, like 4 bongs with rifles managed to capture that whole stinking piece of shit of a country.
Or is it because they worship demons?
Any way, indians can't win.
They live in hell.

This is some Reddit tier retardation. Obviously he existed.

Can you show me an extrabiblical document written before the 180s which describes a historical Jesus? Something like Paul's letters (but not Paul's actual letters which, as we known, dont mention a historical Jesus at all)

Jesus is mentioned very early on by Tacitus

Liar, extant Tacitus manuscripts don't even contain the word "Jesus"

He is mentioned in the Talmud

Written 500 years later, who fucking cares

Aswell as the Gospels etc

All rewrites of earlier Jewish literature, not records of historical events

The onus is on you to disprove his existence which you cannot

Like I said 5 seconds ago, if a historical Jesus had been alive in the 1st century, Paul's letters would contain hundreds of references to Him. But in fact they contain zero such refererences. The only plausible explanation is that we should believe Paul, when he writes that Jesus was known to the early church only through visions.

Don't be such a spastic mate

Better read a couple of books before you try calling me a spastic, you fucking poof.

Can you show me an extrabiblical document

I mean "extracanonical" document, i.e. not the Gospels

It's even more embarrassing that he's your biggest source.

Mythicism has existed for 2000 years eg docetism
I'm agnostic on jesus' existence but the gospels are pure midrashic fiction so he is essentially a myth regardless

You're the biggest joke on Anon Babble and so is your delusion that Jesus did not exist.

Yahwehcuck demon worshipers are the biggest jokes of all
Yahweh is a cacodemon ergo muslims worship a demon too. In any case - way to miss the point negro.

I'm agnostic on jesus' existence but the gospels are pure midrashic fiction so he is essentially a myth regardless

Precisely, the question of Jesus' historicity is secondary to the question of what we can say with any confidence about His life and teachings, which is a big fat nothing.

Jesus is mentioned very early on by Tacitus.

Lmao, even

He is mentioned in the Talmud.

Several of a multitude of "joshuas"

common sense dictates that there would be a nucleus to early Christianity

Obviously

The onus is on you to disprove his existence which you cannot

Not how it works retard

I think it might even be cooler if Jesus were a group delusion/hallucination (legitimate unearthly entity?) that got reified by his devoted followers into one of the world's most influential historical persons as Carrier suggests. It would be a true inspiration for schizos everywhere.

inspiration for schizos everywhere.

They're just following tradition

Jesus are all literary creations, not actual real historical people

You don't have proof for this negative. I suspect your book has more poor arguments like this. How many have you actually sold? Are chinks already pirating it and selling fakes?

but why would a degenerate hate jesus?

Jesus were a group delusion/hallucination (legitimate unearthly entity?) that got reified by his devoted followers

That is literally what happened though, not just according to Carrier, but according to St Paul himself

You don't have proof for this negative

Yeah but I do have proof for this negative, which I have mentioned several times in this thread already.