No casefire

Vladimir Putin offered Kiev to resume direct negotiations in Istanbul on 15th of May

no new ceasefire

"Kiev violated all previous ceasefires"

Negotiations with whom? Trump, Rubio, and Wilkoff have all publicly said they're done with it and the ball is in Russia's court. So who is he looking to negotiate with now?

With double agent Z. of course. Duh.

With Ukraine directly with Turkish mediation.

Is that the Ghost of Kiev's codename?

Russia has been super consistent for like two years. anyone who thought they'd suddenly start agreeing to pathetic NATO ceasefire offers is an idiot.

With Ukraine directly

lmfao! But he said he wouldn't do that and Zelensky is illegitimate anyway. Now he wants to talk directly with them like they're an actual soverign nation? LMAO! LOL!

A Ukraine - Russia ceasefire agreement wont save you, I will still rape you

no one cares about your retarded country anymore bro get real

What did they change 2 years ago that they haven't since?

That is technically correct, obviously. Ukraine made it illegal for anyone to negotiate with Russia. As far as Putin is concerned they are not serious about negotiating if they don't rescind that. Is he wrong?

So why is Putin wanting to negotiate with him then?

Okay so why is Putin amenable to negotiations now?

Putin has been amenable to negotiations for the entire time. That has literally never changed they say it constantly. What has changed is their terms for anything like a cease fire got more restrictive once it became clear that they would win the war.

No, he just wants to keep buying time to keep kicking Zelensky's ass. He is gaining more territory every day and the spring offensive is about to start, time is on his side, that's why Ukraine and Europe are pressuring him to accept the ceasefire, but Putin is not stupid.

Direct negotiations with Kiev. Can you read, retard?

Just playing the ball back in their court, knowing full well nothing will come of it because he's dealing with pigs.

So why is Putin wanting to negotiate with him then?

Because he hates war and understands that it would be preferable to settle without blowing everything up? He's saying "we will achieve our aims the easy way or the hard way. you decide"

You just said the opposite. Why do you babble so much?
Buy time from whom? Why would Putin need to buy time from anyone?

if i pretend to win on the internet then i win irl

not how war works

obviously you are an ESL retard and there is no reason to talk to you. Go back to your country or stfu. No one in America wants you here.

He's lost the war, his generals are too scared to tell him.

Why would Putin change his policy and directly negotiate with an illegitimate Nazi dictator after refusing for 3 years now?

Because he hates war

I know, that's why he called it a "special operation" and criminalized calling it a war. :)

oh you mean like in march 2022?

It's a game of chicken. The negotiation will lead nowhere, and both sides know it. It's important to portray the opponent as not wanting peace. That is why EU leaders are trying to make ceasefire precondition to negotiations. Russia wants Zelensky to rescind his law as a precondition. Both are unacceptable to the opposite sides.

Thank you for your seethe fellow Americans. Petrol prices are out of control now amirite?

I knew you would respond that way, all nafo faggots use the same tactic. Why do you do it ?

Yeah some time around the year 2525 at this rate.

>no new ceasefire

>"Kiev violated all previous ceasefires"

source on him saying this? Sissymir Cucktin would never say this, FAGGOT OP is posting fake news.

It's important to portray the opponent as not wanting peace.

Optics cringe is how Putin ended up in this mess. It's pathetic.
Then why did you respond at all shitskin?

petrol

Nobody says that in the states. Why are we allowing pakis in?

He's a total cuck going back to turkey to lose more land they hold. Its all cope. Russia lost the fucking war it doesn't take 30 years to conquer a country the size of Ukraine he's too much of a pussy to fully mobilize his army. Both the NAFO and Russia propaganda fucked this board. NAFO is clearly retarded but so is Putin.

>"Kiev violated all previous ceasefires"

which ones? not a single one was negotiated

I agree, but the difference it makes is wherever US will stay in this war as a direct backer or dump it on EU.

It's up on RT Telegram channel

Because you're a faggot.

Russia is going to steamroll Ukraine

when? Before or after everyone dies from old age putin included.

Nobody says that in the states

Oh you got the joke did you sperg?
I don't think that makes any difference really. The minerals deals includes lots of weapons sales from the US to Ukraine, but all Ukraine needs from the US anymore is air defense missiles.
You did it again! YAY!

petrol

Taking in hohol refugees was a mistake. Go fight for jewlenskike, coward.

Yes

Is a stalemate with Ukraine really worth bragging about?

Youre vpning jeet. I just watched the national news, ukraine received 20 seconds, a kentucky derby horse jockey received bigger coverage. Nobody cares anymore

Oh you poor silly babushka.

I just watched the national news

No you didn't stupid VPNigger. You don't know how we talk at all.

Kyiv violated all previous ceasefires

Something something accuse your engines of what you are doing

There were minor cease fires for festivities and holydays.

took most of what they wanted

Stalemate?

What stalemate?

The minerals deal is a dud. It only exists so that Trump can claim to his base that he got some money back from Ukraine. There never were any deposits worth mining there (aside from Donbass, which Russia has already taken). And even if there were some resources worth developing - Ukraine is literally the most corrupt country on Earth. Nobody's going to seriously invest rebuilding anything there.

all Ukraine needs from the US anymore

Ukraine doesn't exist without direct US support. Armor, shells, missiles, planes, drones, ISR and even small arms they use now are all courtesy of US.

is air defense missiles

Which US can't even produce enough to defeat Houthis firing literal water pipe rockets.

we

Jeetoid, Americans dont say petrol.

stalemate

You're about a year behind Anon. Russia's been crawling slowly west. We'll see if their momentum continues but if Ukies don't get their footing it could get very bad.

tl;dr
Yeah, that's why it was sarcasm mocking the shill using an American VPN. Why do autistics have such trouble with sarcasm?

Nigger sent all of our arms to garbage dump for free and has the audacity to say something about stalemate.

tl;dr

it's all a show for the public. The war continues.

Good. The done kino has been outstanding and I don't want it to stop.

Trump, Rubio, and Wilkoff

not a one ukrainian or russian. sit down karen

Putin has been amenable to negotiations for the entire time

HAHAHAHA

Why the fuck are western leaders so obsessed with "ceasefire"? Like why would they ever even think Russia will accept any sort of long term ceasefire?
They know very well that time will be used to rearm Ukraine and buy them time to rest and recover, they've seen how well these ceasefires end in Syria last year. And if Putin didn't bullshit and Ukraine actually accepted his terms back in 2022 when Russians left Kiev and then attacked them, then they can't trust anything Ukrainians sign in the future either way.

Youre the vpn shill rumpelshitskin.

asian verbal IQ
no u

Theyve barely made any progress over the past year

Officially speaking, Zelensky would be breaking his own country's wartime laws by negotiating with Russia. Idk why he won't just repeal the damn thing and start talks directly with Putin so they can end it. That's the smartest play. That's his only play, imho.

This is a bastion of free speech. You cant control a narrative here, Dikshit Sukdeep. Improve your mimicry

Trump's DOJ just overturned federal judge decision and ordered a stay on banning automatic weapons. So much win. MIGA sisters we are so fucking back.

You can really tell the majority of the US was raised by single mothers now.
They all just get louder when wrong and eventually pretend to laugh when too upset.

Problem is Zelensky has already said it's about European security and the idea is the European security partners (the anti-Russia faction of European powers) who are supporting the war, PLUS Zelensky, are all going to have to be at the table with just Russia alone and the deal will probably come from Brussels.

So it's just stupid. Also Putin doesn't really recognize Zelensky as the elected leader of Ukraine so doubts any legal arrangement could hold up in the long term just technically from a law standpoint. Or that's his pretext. Either way.

Another problem is he's said a ceasefire must not include a frantic rush to the line of contact and rearming by partners, which obviously is the whole reason Zelensky wants one to begin with as we saw from Istanbul the first time around.

negotiate their unconditional surrender i.e.

And Russia can't rest and recover during that time? You're single digit IQ retarded.

YAY!

???????

!!!!!!!!

WHY WHY ? SO SO

LMAO!!! LOL!!!!

But Russia doesn't need to.

But he said he wouldn't do that and Zelensky is illegitimate anyway. Now he wants to talk directly with them like they're an actual soverign nation?

Putin won't talk with Zelensky. One of the minions of one of the minions of Putin can talk with Zelensky.

Vladimir Putin offered Kiev more lies and treachery in Istanbul on 15th of May

FIFY

Putin could stop his invasion and occupation anytime he pleases. He wants war. He wants to kill Ukrainians and steal their land. All this ((( negotiation ))) is just to try to get him to stop his war crime spree.

barely made any progress

yes bong that's called "slowly succeeding"

Putin wants this war to continue as long as possible. He could be offered all 4 oblasts and he'd still keep the war going. He believes it is his way to hurt the West and the Russian economy is geared up for wartime mode right now which would cause stagflation if the war ended too. He is also happy to keep throwing men at Ukraine to slowly grind them down, which is the Russian way of war.

Putin, ideally, wants this war to go on for the rest of his life. That way if it ends badly he won't get blamed, his successor will.
The only way Putin would want this war to end is if it starts directly hurting Muscovy. He has tried hard to keep Muscovy's people far away from the war. If stuff started blowing up in Moscow on the regular then things would change.

Anyone who says Putin wants to end the war is an idiot.

Funny how the goals of this war didn't change since day one and we still have people posting this nonsense.

NATO side started doing a lot of terrorism

Pakistan and Russia cuck on the same day

Sucks for groypers

Nonsense

So you believe Putin wants to end the war?

Russian words cannot be trusted unless it is cia and fsb emergency channels. It literally has no meaning. This is why bidens admin didn't even bother.

Duh. Once the goals are met.

The war will end when Putin is finished disarming Ukraine. As long as the west continues to supply arms, hohols will continue to die.

they are making fuck ton of progress
the fact that western economies need constant stimulus for their war effort and they welcome pajeets becaise of it by the millions tells me that russia is slowly winning

are you winning, ukkies?

Very female behavior desu

I love that I made you that angry. Thank your for letting me know that I did that to you. And lmao!

The one at the start of the war retard, which made Russia leave Kiev
Biggest plunder in the whole of the entire war and something that Putin should have been hanged for, for being so fucking retarded

Ukraine is not capable of negotiating
No matter what Zelensky decides some neo-nazi retard is going to launch drones or some other shit anyway
The only solution for Ukraine is total annihilation

Was there ever a deep dive thread on the agent Z theory? I get the general premise but I'd like know more to consider how plausible it is.

Why is Putin talking about negotiating then instead?

To save face

He lost face did he? How?

The whole situation in Ukraine since 2014 is a massive failure

I LOVE

That's very true.
Hey cutie, glad you're still here. Early AM there though.

Hey cute

NO NEGOTIATIONS WITH TERRORISTS
TO THE LAST HOHOL!

Trump is the Peacebringer.
He stopped Pakistan/India war and now he's bringing peace to Israel/Palestine.
If Putin doesn't agree to Trump's ceasefire soon, it's clear he's the warmonger.
MAGA.