Jesus as an iniate

Jesus didn't respect jewish law and even told us to ignore YHWH in Matthew 5:38-48.
The concept of "The Kingdom of God within" is not a jewish concept, however, it was easily found in mystery schools and religions like Hinduism.

Why was Jesus ignored by his followers and what could have been if the historical esoteric Jesus was the one we followed?

How would society differ from what we have today?

good outlook. that is what the problem is.

watch teh shills come in here and start shit talking in bundles. and this thread would be ignored because of the ignorant and shill community this place has that thrives here

it is like half the ones who come here are shills, then the other half come to kiss their asses and look for a bandwagon to jump on

Jesus fulfilled jewish law, which meant that it no longer applied.
But he certainly taught people of a heavenly kingdom without, also - paradise.

Jesus was God in flesh that came to our level to preach us the truth.
The God within us is the Holy Spirit that delves within us all who don't deny him (the greatest sin)

Christ doesn't mean messenger it means anointed. It is a title.
Almost everything in that image is a lie or falsehood except the last paragraph

that is where your definitions turn you into a cuck at.

it could logically be deduced that christ means messenger, but you dont take the responsibility of doing a defense against that.

and thats becuase, everything to you is a religion/opinion.

Normal man.
Proto Orthodox Christians (not all, but most) began seeing him as a god by the end of the first century. That's when the myths of virgin births and godhood began.
Mark doesn't mention anything about virgin births, and it's the oldest canonical text we have.

Jesus was an initiate. His god was not the god of the jews, but something akin to Plato's god or the Hermetic One.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also." Matthew 5:38-40

(the greatest sin)

The Savior said, “there is no sin, but it is you who make sin when you do the things that are like the nature of adultery, which is called sin. That is why the Good came into your midst, coming to the good which belongs to every nature in order to restore it to its root. This is why you become sick and die for you love what deceives you. One who understands, let him understand!” Gospel of Mary 3: 1-9

I want to be a Christian as Christianity makes it easier to explain hardships in life
But I can't bring myself to believe in God
I've only tried mainstream sects though

Tell me more about the "historical esoteric Jesus"

Read the Gospel of Thomas.
Jesus' god has no chosen people; no anger; no sadness, and would never stop us from eating from the fruit of knowledge.
God, is all, the universe and yourself; as above so below.

ya they obviously just made another religion out of him so they could put their people at the top of it like wtf is a pope?

it's a moot point when you pick and choose, the figure as it emerges from the highly fabricated bottleneck of scriptures describing him is multifaced, there's as you say the initiatic jesus, but you can't ignore the lion of judah jesus, the jesus who tells not one iota is to be changed from the law(torah), the circumcised jesus, the jesus who came from the lost sheep of israel, etc....you are likely dealing with a mixed figure combining in one both messianic jewish slop as well as a certain spiritual doctrine

it could logically be deduced

no? Greek already has a word for messenger, it’s where we get our term “angel” from. There’s a reason you’re posting this and not Γιάννης the denbt fiend and that reason is because you failed to do even the slightest bit of research into how a language works before making confident assertions

So within So without

He went strait to the heart of our issue which was our hearts and sin. So to bring the kingdom of God here, we have to go deep within ourselves and change our hearts. When our hearts are pure as they were when we were children, our outward actions will reflect that. We won't lie, cheat, steal, murder, etc. Then the world around us will take its shape as it was intended. Paradise.

Love is the ultimate commandment because if you truly love, all those commandments of "don't lie cheat steal, murder" will be followed without thinking. Because the thought of stealing or lying will never come to thought.

As a metaphor, think of a truck driver. When his trailer starts to topple from side to side, what is the best course of action, speed up or slow down?

You speed up, and with enough force, the trailer will straighten out. Speed in this sense is love. Love aggressively, and all those other sins will get behind you.

Run.

What does that imply
Should I pray to myself

This is a misreading of Jesus' teaching.

In Matthew 5, Jesus does not reject the law (Torah), nor does He tell people to ignore God. In fact, just a few verses earlier, in Matthew 5:17, Jesus explicitly says: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

When Jesus says, “You have heard it said… but I say to you,” He’s not contradicting JHVH. He is correcting distorted human interpretations of divine law and revealing its deeper intent, often pointing back to the heart behind the commandments (anger being the root of murder, lust being the root of adultery).
Jesus honors the law but reveals its spiritual depth, not merely its surface requirements.

"Sayings" like "hate thine enemy" are not in the OT. Jesus corrects the false interpretations regarding the children of your own people (Leviticus 19:18), your neighbors. That's the context here, not outsiders that have nothing to do with God and His law.

Jesus' phrase “The kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:21, often better translated “in your midst” or “among you”) is deeply Biblical in origin.
The idea of God reigning over His people and in their hearts is richly present in the Scriptures, especially in the Psalms and prophets.
The prophets often spoke of God's kingdom not just as political restoration, but as righteousness, justice, and God's presence with His people (Ezekiel 36:26-28, Jeremiah 31:33, Daniel 7).

So:
The concept of God’s reign in the heart and life of His people was not foreign to the ancient Israelites; Jesus deepened it, not imported it from Hinduism or mystery religions.

why was jesus ignored by his followers

Because they were fucking retarded and cannot be saved.

what could've been if the historical esoteric jesus was the one we followed

we followed

followed

There's your fucking problem.
It's no wonder that the second coming is the extermination of the human race.
Jesus will genocide everybody, and He's right to.

Christos literally means "The Anointed One", aka THE CHOSEN ONE.
Not a messenger, not a reader, not a teacher. The One.

Even if nothing ever surfaces that gives us a clearer picture, we can at least see that there was a conflict over the identity of Jesus and what he represented.
Paul's monopolization of the New Testament seems to reinforce that.
But the synoptic Jesus even warns about people speaking for him or as him.

Yeah Christianity is Kabbalah mysticism, le Krishna Consiousness kundalini awakening to the GodHead Bodhisatva sand nigger bullshit.

Basado

No, no need to pray.

His disciples said to him, "Do you want us to fast? And how should we pray? Should we make donations? And what food should we avoid?"

Jesus said, "Don't lie, and don't do what you hate, because everything is revealed in the sight of heaven; for there's nothing hidden that won't be revealed, and nothing covered up that will stay secret."

The universe already know what you need, because you know what you need.
Instead of asking, do it, try your best. Meditate and find yourself.

Jesus said

You mean Saul the jew wrote

He also says it in Luke 17:21. The gospel of Thomas is really the hypothetical cue source. With a few extra things that didn't make it into the Bible.

The passages I gave are from the Gospel of Thomas. Not from the canonical gospels or Pauls supposed letters. Inform yourself before spewing trash.

I believe so, yes. If not the Q source it drank directly from it, without doing any epic additions like Mark or Luke.

Great post. Exact reasons why I don’t like Christians but do like Jesus. I’ve mentioned on here a few times that Jesus teachings only make sense when looked at through eastern religious lense like Buddhism and Vedanta. Christians rarely come across like spiritual seekers and are more like reactionary dogmatists. Christianity actually appears to be on the rise again purely as a reaction to degenerate society and not out of a genuine spiritual desire to know. Of course there are genuine people in all religions but Judaism, Christianity, and Islam seem to me to be some of least helpful ones. Any great people that come from those traditions were probably going to be great people without those ideologies anyways.

Be more honest next time. You said "Jesus said"', not "Thomas wrote".

Exact reasons why I don’t like Christians but do like Jesus

Based. I too like dead rabbis.

As it is written. There is a time to come together and a time to break apart.
Institutionalized religion is a time to break apart, but if we were to reflect spiritually, a lot of us would use this as an excuse to not to come together at all.To not even go to Church. There is a time to come together.
Some of what you say is right, but harboring a hatred like that for Christians, even reactionary ones, closes the door to any of them who may genuinely seek God, as well as throwing them all into one lump some.

Be more honest next time. You said "Jesus said"', not "Thomas wrote".

Oh my god...I quoted the text you idiot. The text begins with "Jesus said" in the original. Why don't you study? Why....you must be trolling, right?

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. (Matthew 7:7)
What does the "ask" in this verse mean if not to ask God?

Know thyself.

Saying 2: Seek and Find

Jesus said, "Whoever seeks shouldn't stop until they find. When they find, they'll be disturbed. When they're disturbed, they'll be […] amazed, and reign over the All."

You can't ask god and expect a booming voice to answer you like in the movies.
God is in your heart. Meditate and you will hear Them. Pray and you will hear your desires.

it's good youre interested in Jesus and looking at his quotes but, you should also find out what he said in full context. it's even better, the more you read the better it gets

youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

Christians rarely come across like spiritual seekers and are more like reactionary dogmatists

Because the first fight inside the Church were against gnostic Christians, and later this turned even worse with the protestant reform that took everything literal and gave more importance to the old testament than Jesus' teachings.

Did you know that the one buried in Santiago de Compostela is not the Apostle James, but rather Priscillian, a Gnostic preacher?

Well, I'm heading out. This has been an interesting thread. I leave with this song that while I may be misinterpreting, for me it sums up Gods voice. Quietly speaking, requiring a still mind to listen too.
youtube.com/watch?v=UrfFHzqGBZI
God Bless you all.

check this out

Apostle James, but rather Priscillian, a Gnostic preacher?

People forget how Gnostic Iberia was before the Jesuits and Dominican ideias.
Here in Portugal, before D. João III and the inquisition, many Gnostic ideas used to float around. This was the result of Templar, Cristãos novos and Priscilian influence.

gnosticism is heretical to its root
discard of that garbage

gnosticism is funny because they "love Jesus" and deny everything he said

The cure for gnostics is that they actually read the New Testament, so please encourage them, dont berate them

Look, just because some people have different interpretations doesn't mean we're taking things of out context. I have an historian and theology degree. I know the Bible and Al Qur'an 100%, I don't need Poirot to read it to me so I can get the "context".
I am speaking with the Context in mind. Accept people don't think like you do and life will be easier for us all.

claims hes quoting someone

doesn't use quotes

calls other people dumb

frog poster

Yep its a ChatGPT.

To be fair what I said is also true of every religion but the way the mainstream abrahamic traditions are written and taught are more conducive to rigid and dogmatic worldviews than others. My distaste for them is probably from growing up amongst them and having to deal with their particular brand of spiritual arrogance. But I have heard Buddhists and Hindus say that most other spiritual traditions are valid paths to god if understood correctly. I’ve never heard a Christian Jew or Muslim say anything similar.

Yet it killed 90% less than your holly church.
We'll never forget Hypatia you rapists.

"knowing all the facts" doesnt mean much, St Paul knew about Christianity and still hunted Christians. Having faith in your heart is the important part. Dont lean on your own understanding, lean on God.

the kingdom of heaven refers to the lineage/children of humans after simple decoding from pic rel.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Makes sense. The woman Eve, through the use of the fruit that made them attractive in Genesis 2, and the fallen angels who mated with humans in Genesis 6 infiltrated the human family tree by force.

Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Those same fallen angels are described in Jude as being punished with...the blackness of darkness? Wearing a garment spotted by the flesh? (jude 1:23) Who act like violent brute beasts that went in the way of Cain? (jude 1:10-11) C'mon guys we all know who it's talking about...

"Whoever seeks shouldn't stop until they find. When they find, they'll be disturbed. When they're disturbed, they'll be […] amazed, and reign over the All."

This line is from The Gospel of Thomas.
The idea of the all is one of pantheistic liberation and is not referenced in the original Gospels.
Contrast this with the message of the canonical Jesus who lets you stay in his father's house, if you side with him.

sorry forgot the pic rel

Matthew 3:9

when you meet St Peter hes not going to ask for your 23 and me

I don't know how to meditate
I've tried it, but being in silent just makes me feel more angsty, so I even to stuff to sleep while on sleeping pills

So, to summarize it, Jesus calls people to find their own fucked up aspects, try to overcome it after finding it, and once that's achieved, one would be in control.
Is that correct?

your holly church.

bitch, do you call me a catholic apostate?
most of the time the "holy church" persecuted believing christians as heretics.

I've tried it, but being in silent just makes me feel more angsty

Because deep down you're afraid of knowing everything about yourself. We all have shadows (in the Jungian sense). Read some works of Carl Jung, accept your shadow, your inner Satan and tame your ego. Don't fear the silence, for God is silence too.

So, to summarize it, Jesus calls people to find their own fucked up aspects, try to overcome it after finding it, and once that's achieved, one would be in control.

Is that correct?

Basically. Better than "you are sinner!!! You will go to hell!!", no?

Jedem das Seine

Yes with the muttification that happened og humans are pretty much extinct. hence Jesus focus on "ye shall know them by their fruits" "wheat/tares" etc. Don't assume you'll be saved but instead...

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I was actually gonna say in a follow up post that Christianity Islam and Judaism do seem to have more mystic and esoteric versions that I can resonate more with. I believe there is wisdom in most religions even in their corrupted and politicized modern forms but they do more harm than good and there are other traditions that are less corrupted and more helpful.

bitch, do you call me a catholic apostate?

I couldn't care less. You're clearly fundamentalist in ideology so in my eyes, be it Catholic or Protestant, doesn't matter. The spirit of the inquisition is within you. Besides, you sound like a fucking jerk, so Christianity is clearly not doing anything to develop you as a person.

It’s not strange, considering how many civilizations came to the peninsula, especially when you take into account things like it being the closest piece of land to Atlantis, according to Plato.

Another fun fact: the natives of the Canary Islands were Germanic, tall, with blue eyes and blond hair. The Nazis were very interested in this, as they theorized it could be the last remaining part of the lost continent.

Jesus fulfilled jewish law, which meant that it no longer applied.

Yes, Jesus did fulfill the Law, but “fulfill” doesn't mean "abolish" or "make irrelevant." In biblical usage, “fulfill” means to bring to full meaning, to complete, to bring to its intended goal.
Jesus perfectly obeyed the Law, He never sinned. He embodied the Law’s deeper intent: love, mercy, justice (see Matthew 22:36-40).

He fulfilled its prophetic purpose. The Law and sacrificial system pointed forward to Him (Luke 24:44; Colossians 2:16-17).

He inaugurated the New Covenant, as foretold in Jeremiah 31:31-33, where God puts His law into our hearts, not just on stone. The Law is not discarded, it's internalized, transformed, and centered in Christ.

What no longer applies is the laws of ordinances (Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, temple sacrifices, purity codes, the Levitical priesthood), they find their fulfillment in Christ (Hebrews 10:1-14). These laws pointed to Jesus and are now superseded, not because they were bad, but because their purpose is complete in Him. We don’t ignore them - we see how Jesus fulfills them, and we live out their spiritual reality.

What still applies (even intensified):

From “don’t murder” to “don’t even hate” (Matt 5:21-22)
From “don’t commit adultery” to “don’t even lust” (Matt 5:27-28)

And He sums up the whole Law in love:

“Love God… and love your neighbor (Leviticus 19:18) as yourself.” (Matthew 22:36-40)

So the moral heart of God’s Law continues, not as a legal code, but as the Spirited life of those who belong to Jesus (Romans 8:2-4).

Jesus didn’t cancel the Law, He fulfilled it by living it perfectly, embodying its meaning, and replacing the old system with a better covenant rooted in His own sacrifice and Spirit.
We don’t live by Moses’ letter, but by Jesus’ life, not under the Law, but under grace, which establishes the Law in our hearts (Romans 3:31).

nooo he used a mean word

I came to warn you. gnostic teachings are spiritual adultery. I have been into it. if you give satan even one foot into your door you are soon dragged deeper into his lies.

It’s not strange, considering how many civilizations came to the peninsula, especially when you take into account things like it being the closest piece of land to Atlantis, according to Plato.

I agree, anon. Maybe we Iberians and, to a certain extent, North Africans, are what remains of that great civilization.

laws and commandments are separate. the law is done away with, the commandments are written on your hearth by God.

Either think like me or jew god will burn you!

Curious. I've been on your side as well and since I turned to Gnosticism I've been a happy and fulfilled man.
Oh, and it's not the bad words. Jesus was from Galilee and people there spoke really loud and used a lot of cuss words, so he probably did too.
It's the fact you're arrogant, that's all.
Stay cool, bro. Let people follow what fulfills them.
I got nothing against you.

like i said to the other anon, everything to you is all about religion/belief/opinion. so basically youre telling me that saying "the man" is what the definition of Christ is. Ok, well then who is "the man" then? WHO then, name them. Another thing, does Jesus need to come back with a badge on with his (((title))) for you too to recongnize him?

Thanks for your insights, I have a few more questions.

Basically. Better than "you are sinner!!! You will go to hell!!", no?

So what do think the "hell" mentioned in the Bible is talking about if not a physical place nor a punishment for wrongdoers?

Also,
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins. (2 Maccabees 12:46)
Since you say that there's no need to pray except to hear your own desires, what would this verse imply in your theology, is it a metaphor?

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faith isnt about feeling good, it's a cross to bear

please read at least some of what Jesus said before coming to a conclusion on who Jesus was

youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

I am arrogant if I warn you about false teaching I was trapped myself into?
lmao, your pride has already taken over. if these teachings make you feel warm and cozy its because they are of the devil.
Gods teaching make you tremble and fear, thats why its hard to abide in them as fleshly man.
anyway, go down your path if you like. many wont make it.

The Kingdom of God within

Yes. Just read Ramana Maharshi and Nisargardatta Maharaj. Those dudes knew the truth, just like Jesus tried to tell you.

please read what Jesus said in at least one gospel

This is not a matter of belief
What the anon said was a matter of lingusitics

So what do think the "hell" mentioned in the Bible is talking about if not a physical place nor a punishment for wrongdoers?

Jesus used the word Gahena when he spoke of hell. To put it simple it was a giant hole where trash was burned.
Jesus used hell as an allegory, or a parable.
I don't believe in an eternal torment. Now, I believe in reincarnation, but this is up to you.
My interpretation of hell is Karmic suffering.

Since you say that there's no need to pray except to hear your own desires, what would this verse imply in your theology, is it a metaphor?

Might be, or might be a exoteric tradition. I personally don't believe the dead can be saved through prayer, but the concept is present in many religion, even in Buddhism, so it depends on you. If you think it helps the dead then go for it.
In the end of the day there is no 100% answer for these things, Anon.
Follow what clicks with your soul.
The true meaning of life is that, finding what clicks with us.

read what demon influenced persons wrote

are you out of your mind?

the law was "gods commandments" in the old testament. God was the law, the law was god.

The god of the old testament is satan. The only cross we ever recieved was the one from the new testament.
youtube.com/watch?v=_QUq72fla3o

You strut your rasta wear

And your suicide poem
And a cross from a faith that died
Before Jesus came
explain the meaning of these lyrics.
And Jesus talks about his dad as tho he's a very hard up man. Gee, like hte law demanding shit you could see.

Yes. Just read Ramana Maharshi and Nisargardatta Maharaj. Those dudes knew the truth, just like Jesus tried to tell you.

Based.

its a matter of a dictionary wrote by a man. the "authority" you bow too. Make it make sense like I just linguistly tried to do, according to your definition. you dumb ass.

Jesus used the word Gahena when he spoke of hell.

the valley of ben hinnom, aka gehenna or valley of death is where israelites bruned their children in the fire to moloch.
hell isnt a eternal place where you end up in forever, you are burned in the second death. you cease to exist completely.
reincarnation isnt real, nobody believed in that. you have one life, one chance to at coming right with God through Jesus Christ.

Christians rarely come across like spiritual seekers

I think there's some merit to this, but you can't blanket sweep the entirety of Christians under this sort of labeling. I do agree, though, about how there's a section of people who will utilize the name of Jesus and The Bible to lord over people with superiority, as well as thinking you're an "idiot" for not believing in Christ like they do. I remember there was this debater for Catholicism that would use these big pretentious words and snidely put down the people with passive aggressive tactics when he had his religious debates, not even attempting to look like he was feeling the spirit of God. There's a difference between putting on a front of venerating God while still having your ego in play and actually living and feeling the words and spirit of God. The children of god should act as they preach and not be so hard assed and stuck-up.

Normal people aren't spiritually mature to find God within, they need organized religion like they need written laws to know how to behave. That's how it is and how it has always been. Christ himself communicated differently to different audiences, when he talked to normal people he used parables to get the point across (and in mass, parables are the most repeated passages), while to his disciples he explained the Truth without having to make it retard-proof.

Normal people aren't spiritually mature to find God within, they need organized religion

I agree. Yet, I also think Abrahamic religions have run their course. They're not doing much these days...asides from killing and killing and killing. Still, exoteric religions are necessary to keep profane minds in check.
Based post, brother.

its a matter of a dictionary wrote by a man.

Uhm, no? It's the Greek language. Christos means 'the anointed one' in Greek
Greek people gave Him that title.
What is there that you dont understand.
It's like if I gave you the title of 'Brave' for example, it's just a title.
The issue that they took with your original post was that your picture meant to claim that Christ means messenger in Greek.
But that is not true, since Christ comes from the Greek word Christos meaning annointed one
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Χριστός

The mere fact that you "want to be Christian" is proof that you can hear God's will and that you believe in him. You may not agree with interpretations of God by specific christian denominations, which is a different thing.

even told us to ignore YHWH

oh

The deeper into Gnosticism you go the more mystery school pagan it gets. There were even Jewish gnostics before Christianity existed. Old books about Yahweh and Elohim being two different gods became the esoteric Cain and Abel and the Monad and the Demiurge.

when he talked to normal people he used parables to get the point across

dude, read what he actually said.

Matthew 13
10 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:

“‘“You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
15 For this people's heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’

he basically said the kingdom is being taken away from them.

Christianity Islam and Judaism do seem to have more mystic and esoteric versions that I can resonate more with

And you would be correct. For example, the term Jihad is often misused it originally refers to the spiritual struggle against one's own self. The issue, as everywhere is retards that can't into the secret and you end with today's towelheads.

I believe there is wisdom in most religions even in their corrupted and politicized modern forms

I would recommend Mircea Eliade and Schuon, since what you're saying is also correct and they studied it throughout their lives. However, the word 'Religion' wouldn't be accurate for that (Religion comes from the Latin Re-Ligare, meaning 'to reconnect') a more correct term would be "Sacro"

I don't follow the concept of karma as it was first mentioned in Hindu religion
So basically jeets wrote it, they're not a reliable source for truth, let alone thousands of years ago
I've heard some people say that India used to be Aryan though

Yes, I was referencing that passage. We are talking about the same thing.
Jesus used parables to introduce the people to his message, because the people were not able to understand the message since they had grown (as a whole) spiritually dull, as he says. At the time of Jesus there were plenty of hebrew/greek groups of proto-gnostics, orphists, platonists, dionysists who had complex spiritual practices that they made inaccessible to the people. Jesus did the opposite, and delivered the message in understandable ways as an introduction, to ensure that people would become at least slightly more spiritually mature and understand more.

The entire Mosaic Law is done away with.

(Romans 10:4) For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness

The rest of the Bible agrees that The Mosaic Law has come to an end.

(Galatians 3:19-25) Why, then, the Law? It was added to make transgressions manifest, until the seed should arrive to whom the promise had been made; ... 20 ....21 Is the Law, therefore, against the promises of God? May that never happen! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, righteousness would actually have been by means of law. 22 ....23 However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed. 24 Consequently the LAW HAS BECOME OUR TUTOR leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. 25 But now that the faith has arrived, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR.

(Galatians 4:4, 5) But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent forth his Son, who came to be out of a woman and who came to be under law, 5 THAT HE MIGHT RELEASE BY PURCHASE THOSE UNDER LAW, that we, in turn, might receive the adoption as sons.

(Matthew 5:17) “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill;

(Romans 7:6) But now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast, that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit, and not in the old sense by the written code.

(Ephesians 2:15) By means of his flesh he abolished the enmity, the Law of commandments consisting in decrees, that he might create the two peoples in union with himself into one new man and make peace;

(Colossians 2:14) and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.

(Ephesians 2:14) For he is our peace, he who made the two parties one and destroyed the wall in between that fenced them off.

(Galatians 3:10) For all those who depend upon works of law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is every one that does not continue in all the things written in the scroll of the Law in order to do them.”

(Romans 7:10) And the commandment which was to life, this I found to be to death.

(Galatians 3:13) Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake.”

What makes it even more apparent that the Mosaic Law is over is that A NEW LAW was put in its place. This is the Law of Christ or the Covenant of Christ. The mediator of the Mosaic Law was Moses. However, Jesus is now the mediator OF A NEW LAW.

(Hebrews 9:15) So that is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that, because a death has occurred for [their] release by ransom from the transgressions under the former covenant, the ones who have been called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance.

(Luke 22:20) Also, the cup in the same way after they had the evening meal, he saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in YOUR behalf.

(2 Corinthians 3:6) who has indeed adequately qualified us to be ministers of a new covenant, not of a written code, but of spirit; for the written code condemns to death, but the spirit makes alive.

(Hebrews 7:22) to that extent also Jesus has become the one given in pledge of a better covenant.

(Matthew 26:28) for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.

but you can't blanket sweep the entirety of Christians under this sort of labeling

I tried not to do that by using the word “rarely” and In some follow up posts I made some more concessions. I think people have realized god in most religions but they are always a small minority. Christianity as it has been taught for a long time just seems like a book fan club where people just like the characters and like to follow rules and guidelines. And it’s the Christian’s on this site and the online right just piss me off.

God that is a funny call back.

The rest of the Bible agrees that The Mosaic Law has come to an end.

No.
Important: This occurs 17+ years after the supposed death of jesus.
Galatians 1:18

Only after three years did I go up to Jerusalem to confer with Cephas, and I stayed with him fifteen days.

paul visits jerusalem three years after his vision of jesus.
Galatians 2:1

Fourteen years later I went up again to Jerusalem, accompanied by Barnabas. I took Titus along also.

This is when the jerusalem council occurs in Acts 15.

Acts 21

17 When we arrived in Jerusalem, the brothers welcomed us joyfully.

18 The next day Paul went in with us to see James, and all the elders were present.

paul meets with james and the elders in jerusalem
The elders are likely the priests mentioned in Acts 6:7

So the word of God continued to spread. The number of disciples in Jerusalem grew rapidly, and a great number of priests became obedient to the faith.

19 Paul greeted them and recounted one by one the things that God had done among the ethnicities/goyim (ἔθνεσιν) through his ministry.

20 When they heard this, they glorified God. Then they said to Paul, “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.

james and the elders inform paul that thousands of jews have believed [in jesus] and all of them are zealous for the law.
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21 But they are under the impression that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or observe our customs.

22 What then should we do? They will certainly hear that you have come.
james and the elders inform paul that the christjews (Acts 21:20) are under the impression that paul teaches the dispersion to forsake moses, end circumcision, and to not observe the customs.
james and the elders then ask paul how they should proceed.
Will james and the elders explain to the christjews that paul's teachings are actually correct?

23 Therefore do what we advise you. There are four men with us who have taken a vow.

24 Take these men, purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know that there is no truth to these rumors about you, but that you also live in obedience to the law.

james and the elders advise paul to take a vow and to pay the expenses of four men who took a vow.
The objective of james and the elders are to eliminate the rumors about paul and for paul to live in obedience to the law.
In other words, paul's teachings (Acts 21:21) are not approved by james and the elders.
paul's actions will not convince the christjews (Acts 21:20) to worship jesus because they already believe.
james, the elders, and the christjews (Acts 21:20) want to verify that paul is NOT an apostate teaching apostasy to the dispersion.

25 As for the ethnicities/goyim (ἐθνῶν), we have written to them our decision that they must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality.”

james and the elders mention the council's requirements for the ethnicities/goyim (ἐθνῶν) found in Acts 15:19-20.
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Islam's problem is that it is already dumbed down Abrahamism that is half wrong. Mohammed dumbed down everything too much. The few original concepts he had that were thought provoking went over the heads of people discouraged from thinking critically. Most of the Koran is pure brain rot.

The rest of the Bible agrees

Yeah, because those are all attributed to the same person, pseudoepigraphs included or not.

You are absolutely insane if you think that Jesus didn't accept being worshipped.

And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Matthew 28:17, you are literally in the picture as the doubter. The doubter isn't exalted.

It's why I'm not a big fan of church in the first place. Sure, you can sit in the pews and listen to a preacher drone on the lines of The Bible, but in the end, what are you really getting out of it? The Bible is a source of good that can bring personal revelations to a person, so why make it some tedious recitation that you have to absorb like some automaton? You can quote scripture from the top of your head all you want, but what does it matter if you haven't absorbed it on a spiritual level? The Bible, for me, is better dealt on a personal spiritual level when you need it, as opposed to following it like some dull obligation because you feel like you should for whatever mundane reason.

What makes it even more apparent that the Mosaic Law is over is that A NEW LAW was put in its place.

if you understand this then why the hell are you a Jehovah's Witness, denying the physical resurrection and the existence of both The Holy Spirit and hell? be a CHRISTIAN, BELIEVE BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH ALONE

Jesus saying he was above the Mosaic law is proof that he claimed divinity though

Gnostic Jesus is about liberation.

Great.

I'm not sure that Paul and the double agents would have ever allowed this at the time. I think it was meant to happen like this, and that NOW is the time we go the esoteric Jesus route, this route is for far and few. The trinity is a lie, and an intentional obstacle. He was a heavenly being, manifested by Sophia, sent from the Pleroma. He isn't The Monad, let alone Barbelo. Despite that I embrace him in opposition to Yaldabaoth. Acknowledging the demiurge is synonymous to rebelling against him, he tried to warn us. Maybe this time some of us will listen

Arian Christianity is the truth. Trinity is bullshit. Jesus was son of god, not part of god. You don’t talk to yourself and say “Father, why have you forsaken me?” and no trinitycuck has ever bern able to explain that in a way that wasn’t pathetic cope.

find the god within

Some Gnostic bullshit right there. Feck off kike.

I don't want to be worshipped at all. Neither did Jesus.

Mindless students are frustrating, they have missed the point entirely.

would you want people to show up at your house every day and chant hymns and cry

No.

John 8:58

Is God being part of all of us too much for you to accept or something? Jesus was sent down for a reason, which is why he's a main figure in the Bible in the first place? What other figure in the history of this earth has ever been resurrected?

Christ was/is/will be ADOPTED by God.

Jesus was the son of Joseph, who has been slandered for far too long...

Agree completely. A good example for me is jay dyer. All brain and no heart. Sense no compassion or love for god’s creation but I do sense a smug debate bro arrogance and desire to be right. Of course I can’t know what’s in his heart but that what it looks like. See that same thing in many Christians. Of course there are a lot of really great and beautiful people who are Christians but I doubt just how much modern Christianity as contributed to that.

Didn't mean for the question mark after "first place". Whoopsie daisy

Jesus repeatedly quoted the Tanakh and affirmed the First Commandment. You are a liar, telling lies, saying things that are not true.

When you tell lies about God, God will punish you. I am a Muslim and worship God alone, just as Jesus and Moses teaches.

I would not want to be you, lying on God leads to horrible things.

Jew cryer is a shabbos retard, like all abrahamics

That's EXACTLY who I was talking about. Thanks, I forgot his name lol. Jay Dyer is one of the fags I was talking about. You hear him talk and it's just big pretentious words (something Jesus never bothered with and even disdained) and this obvious need to destroy others in debate rather than extolling the spirit of Christ. It's sad that figures like that even have a following, because the followers just act like their e-daddy and believe being a dogmatic asshat is how Jesus wanted them to be.

[Charles Musès] researches eventually led him to focus on the origin of evil and time, which he felt were due to the same process. That led him to a text from the Ismaeliya (the “Sevener” Sect of Shia Islam) that had survived in the Bohra community of the Ismaeliya, around Mumbai (Bombay). He published his interpretation of that material in his book “Studies in Chronotopology” that came out in 1984. A piece of that same text was translated and commented on by Henri Corbin in his work on Ismaeli Gnosis and Cyclical Time. Musès expanded the text based on his own theories.

That isn’t contradictory to Arianism.
Of course God crated his son before Abraham, he created him before the world was created through him (the word.)

To summarize, then, the supreme universe is a triadic cyclical process that is continually going on, evolving and exploding into myriads of pathlines of potential universes. The concept of the triadic cyclical process is not the same as the triadic nature of Hinduism, which posits three primary forces, Creation (Brahma), Maintenance/Continuing (Vishnu) and Destruction (Shiva) but a triadic form that consists of the Father/Creative Impulse (First Intelligence), the Mother-Creatrix-Generator (Second Intelligence) and the Child (Third Intelligence). Thus the universe of universes is an extremely complex union set of essentially all possibilities that form and dissolve subject to certain laws that are for the most part unknown to virtually everyone except for a few mathematicians and realized beings who can conceptualize a universe that is there and at the same time, never was and never will be. The Musès view does not accept the concept of there being an eternal Creator who is outside of the universe itself and who is always separated from the universe. Nor does this view accept the root of evil being with a rebellion from a specific being within the created universe. The creation of the universe is a byproduct of a specific error which was the result of a wrong thought by the Third Intelligence. At some point in this process, the Third Intelligence/Aeon (essentially Father/Mother/Child, where the Third Intelligence is the Child) thought a single thought, that it was self-contained and that through its awareness could bring about the creation of a universe or time-line.

Yeah that's the one verse they use to essentially claim the trinity as gospel. It is subject to debate. I like to view Jesus as implying he existed (in the pleroma) before Abraham. He existed, but not sent to Earth until much later, when the time was right.

I have it on pretty good authority that the gist of the image text is accurate.

And therein lies the root catastrophe, for by thinking or imagining the thought that a universe could be brought forth from within its own awareness, that very thought created a universe based on separation and limitation. Thus, countless copies of the Third Intelligence were formed in reaction to that thought, and that each such copy or emanation thinks itself to be separate under will, and must continue to exist until it awakens into the liberation that is beyond simple separation. Therefore, while each being is an independent entity, each entity replicates the error that the Third Intelligence itself made. Each such being is therefore “wired” into the potentiality of manifesting evil in its actions. There is no specific being to blame, as it is the responsibility of the individual to either evolve and resolve the conflict and separation in its own being, or to be subject to the flow of cosmic forces on a seemingly eternal battlefield. Time itself becomes either an enemy or an ally in which specific entities can learn to step outside of the seemingly infinite duration.

Musaios’ vision was therefore from a theological perspective one of the most radical ever conceived. Existence itself becomes the consequence of a failure at the level of primary deity or deoform. There is no longer the separation of creator and created, as the created maintain within their own beings the timeless echo of the fundamental error of the creator, and that through time and steady psycho-spiritual evolution, each being must through enlightenment and transformation heal the error in its own being, and that the creator depends on each being to complete its own healing so that in time, it too can be healed and the separateness of this universe be resolved not just for any being, but all beings, until the apparent rift has been resolved in some far future.

Lazarus
Btw, what the fuck are you talking about and why are you addressing it to me? Be gone. I have no interest in what you say.

I am a Muslim and worship God

you dont even worship the same God that Jesus tells us to worship. islam denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

youtube.com/watch?v=cHeVEl7qphA

All of this stuff differs too much from what real Jews are doing, whatever happened to God who walked with Israel and Isaiah. If you're not interacting with God like the prophets, of course you just become incorrect in every single way. Imagine having Christian derangement syndrome; imagine doubting the ones God signed up to represent him and his brand. This is just classic pagan style "seize the agenda from THOSE PEOPLLLE". I'm just not about wasting time at all.

This sounds like it has parallels to The First, Second, and Third Mysteries and Aeons spoken about in The Pistis Sophia. Weird how all of this is basically removed entirely from the modern Mainstream Christian zeitgeist, and replaced by the Trinity, hmmmm. Weird

The trinity arguments are cope tier bullshit. Never once have i heard a argument of why he would say “Father why have you forsaken me?” to himself. They have no reasonable argument for it.

Lazraus never ascended into heaven.
Lazarus was the example that showed Jesus is able to raise up all of his people in the last day.

Jesus was son of god, not part of god

Want to elaborate on this point further, retard? Like I said, we are all part of god. If your argument that Jesus "is not god" then his Alpha and Omega line makes no sense, does it?

youtube.com/watch?v=s99uTQt1SYM

s Jesus ignored by his followers and what could have been if the historical esoteric Jesus was the one we followed?

How would society differ from what we have today?

it would look like mid atlantic US between the years 1630 and 1800's when quakers were a driving political/social/economic force in the region

God didn't say "I AM" in Ex 3:14. In Greek, he said "Ego ei'mi ho'on" and Jesus said "Ego ei'mi" in John 8:58. Literally, "Ego ei'mi ho'on" means "I am the being" whereas Jesus phrase translates literally to "I am." Those are literal translations though without the meaning in tact. In English, God said "I become whatever I have to become" or "I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be."

In John 8:58 Jesus wasn't talking about his identity but of his age. Ego'ei'mi is used to describe an event that happened in the past that continues down to this day. Trinitarians said that Jesus words were in the present tense, on the contrary, they are in the TEMPORAL tense. Ego'ei'mi is used by others in the Bible and do not point to God but to an event that happened in the past and continues down to their present.
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“I HAVE BEEN”[4] - alternate reading in 1960 thru 1973 reference editions of NASB

(2) “I HAVE BEEN” - The New Testament, G. R. Noyes

(3) “I HAVE BEEN” - “The Four Gospels” According to the Sinaitic Palimpsest, A. S. Lewis

(4) “I HAVE ALREADY BEEN” - The Unvarnished New Testament

(5) “I HAVE EXISTED” - The Bible, A New Translation, Dr. James Moffatt

(6) “I EXISTED” - The New Testament in the Language of Today, 1964 ed., Beck

(7) “I EXISTED” - An American Translation, Goodspeed

(8) “I EXISTED” - The New Testament in the Language of the People, Williams

(9) “I EXISTED” - New Simplified Bible

(10) “I WAS IN EXISTENCE” - Living Bible

(11) “I WAS ALIVE” - The Simple English Bible

(12)“I WAS” - Holy Bible - From the Ancient Eastern Text, Lamsa

(13)“I WAS” - Young’s Literal Translation of the Holy Bible, 1st ed. (Also see Young’s Concise
Critical Commentary, p. 61 of “The New Covenant.”).

(14) “I WAS” - The Syriac New Testament, Jas. Murdock

(15) “I WAS” - H. T. Anderson

(16) “I WAS” - Twentieth Century New Testament

The Trinity doctrine is not Biblical. It is only supported through fallacies, spurious verses and incorrect translated verses. This is a good example up above. All the other Trinity "proof text" are also translated under the same bias as well.

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this would be the aesthetic

100% on the same page. Cannot Stand that dude. Especially the “big words” comment. if you are going to communicate something like spiritually which speaks to the souls of everyone, using complex terms and references just makes you look like a fraud. You should be able to speak as plainly as possible and be understood. Not condescendingly tell people to read some book or philosopher. Since you have and have understood it, you should be able to explain it in the simplest terms. And if you are going to use that type of language than you should at least pause and give the definitions. Dude literally rattles off obscure books and philosophy while not saying anything about the substance.

some guy wants to rant bible quotes and ancient greek stuff at me

he hates triangles

wow this really sucks. i speak english. so do you.

God only said the MEANING of his name, Jehovah, which means "He Causes to Become." That's why he said "I shall become whatever I shall become." Jesus was talking about his age and answered them back correctly "I existed before Abraham." Not I AM.

Ego'ei'mi is used by others in the Bible and do not point to God but to an event that happened in the past and continues down to their present.

(Luke 2:48) Now when they saw him they were astounded, and his mother said to him: “Child, why did you treat us this way? Here your father and I in mental distress have been(Ego'ei'mi) looking for you.”

(John 5:6) Seeing this man lying down, and being aware that he had already been (Ego'ei'mi) [sick] a long time, Jesus said to him: “Do you want to become sound in health?”

(1 John 3:8) He who carries on sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been(Ego'ei'mi) sinning from [the] beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, namely, to break up the works of the Devil.

(Matthew 8:9) For I too am(Ego'ei'mi) a man placed under authority, having soldiers under me, and I say to this one, ‘Be on your way!’ and he is on his way, and to another, ‘Come!’ and he comes, and to my slave, ‘Do this!’ and he does it.”

(2 Corinthians 12:19) Have YOU been(Ego'ei'mi) thinking all this while that we have been(Ego'ei'mi) making our defense to YOU? It is before God that we are speaking in connection with Christ. But, beloved ones, all things are for YOUR upbuilding.

Wherever you see "have been" or "has been" " I been" is literally "I AM." So Jesus in John 8:58 meant to say "I HAVE BEEN existing before Abraham."

Existence itself becomes the consequence of a failure at the level of primary deity or deoform. There is no longer the separation of creator and created, as the created maintain within their own beings the timeless echo of the fundamental error of the creator, and that through time and steady psycho-spiritual evolution, each being must through enlightenment and transformation heal the error in its own being, and that the creator depends on each being to complete its own healing so that in time, it too can be healed and the separateness of this universe be resolved not just for any being, but all beings, until the apparent rift has been resolved in some far future.

This is literally just Gnostic Christianity but giving the demiruge a more neutral angle as opposed to them having negative intentions is it not?

If you're not interacting with God like the prophets, of course you just become incorrect in every single way.

Anything you want me to ask one?

Jesus is a god(John 1:1), the only-begotten god(John 1:18), and a mighty god(Isaiah 9:5). Jesus is a god like the angels, Satan, demons are in heaven. On earth he is a god like Moses and the judges.(Psalm 82:1-7; Psalm 82:6; John 10:35; John 10:34-38)

Jesus is a unique son. He is God's ONLY-BEGOTTEN. What that means is that before Jesus came from heaven he was God's first creation ever. Then after Jesus was created, he used Jesus to make everything else. Jesus also calls himself "the only-begotten god" because he was originally a spirit being.

(John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son,

(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.

Colossians 1:15 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation

Revelations 3:14 - “... These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,

Jesus is also God's firstborn. Not just his firstborn but also his very first creation. The only pagan belief is the Trinity that teaches Jesus is his own father. Anyone that believes that is not Christian.

We are part of God in the sense that the Holy spirit dwells within us.(not you)

Yes yes he was affirming his pre-existence in the pleroma and Trinitarian chuds subverted it.

The "Demiurge" isn't Evil. He recovered (or more accurately, was rescued) immediately after the Creation of the Universe... I'll let somebody more eloquent explain it properly, which he has.

Here's something *very important* for you to read that will explain everything:

archive.org/time-and-the-origins-of-our-cosmos

and also

archive.org/details/charles-muses-saga-of-error-and-glory-1997-ocr

Download both and share them.

Hello, fellow knower.

Jesus is a god(John 1:1)...

Read that did ya. *bites apple*

Exact

NOOOOOOOO!!Q CHRIST IS KAAAANG!!! DIE JEW, DIE!!!!

4cuck christ faggots I bet responding to you

Ehhh. Jesus was his "only begotten" son, we aren't allowed to talk about or acknowledge his "brother", who runs the show.

These brother, father, mother, ect., humanized terms aren't really fitting for the gods we speak of I would argue. But the damage has been done and the lens is forced to be looked through.

Ha.

There's a lot we need to learn from Ancient Egypt.

I am not JW, but I have came to many of the same conclusions. Mostly agree with Arianism. The one thing i don’t like about JW is your outreach to beasts of the field. I guess my beliefs are a cross between Arianism and Christian Identity, but I suppose that Arianism exactly that itself in the 3rd/4th century. All white men.

I hate giving Yaldabaoth the time of day, I dislike how he might not be as much of the bad guy as some Gnostics made him out to be. I feel as if am doing a disservice to Christ by wanting to know more about his purported opposition, but it seems essential. Sophia herself was supposedly cast out of The First Light just for making Yaldabaoth. I don't need or want everything to be explained to me I think that's impossible and absolutist, thank you for the links though. As if this is the first time we have had these type of discussion.

Fine, but we can still venerate Jesus as a force for good. We can still praise him, just as we praise God, for we're praising both in doing so. I'll concede that we should worship God as opposed to thinking Jesus is the end all be all. They're both based. END OF STORY.

So you agree with me? Then why were you replying to me with nonsense?

... I'm not really a fan of "The Gnostics", they deceived many into hating Life, and preferring Death.

jewsus is a false god

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Because this still sticks out to me.

Blavatsky, however... not nearly as bad as she has been made out to be.

We're here to learn.

youtube.com/watch?v=FVunlDT6ZSY

Why the Lucifer tripname?

youtube.com/watch?v=TVv0sAWkOh0

... I'm literally Lucifer.

A clue tending towards the correct understanding lies hid in the words: “Venus is the Earth’s primary.” (The Secret Doctrine (S.D), II, 33. I, 323)

It is not permissible to say much about this mystery, that “Venus is the Earth’s alter ego,” nor is it advisable, but certain ideas may be suggested which—if brooded on—may result in a wider grasp of the beauty of nature’s synthesis, and of the wonderful correlation of all that is in process of evolution.

Perhaps some idea may be gained if we remember that, in an occult sense, Venus is to the Earth what the higher Self is to man.

The coming of the Lords of Flame to the Earth was all under law and not just an accidental and fortunate happening; it was a planetary matter which finds its correspondence in the connection between the mental unit and the manasic permanent atom. Again, as the antaskarana is built by individual man between these two points, so—again in a planetary sense—is a channel being built by collective man on this planet to its primary, Venus.

--A Treatise On Cosmic Fire

youtube.com/watch?v=Avi2zsaNSwk

Venus doesn't exist, retard.

I'm not some death cultist Gnostic, but yeah I can understand that a lot of them make the rest of us look bad. Who am I kidding I don't even know who "us" is, shits complicated. I traded in one understanding to only be met with another schism within this new understanding. I'm more concerned about what higher entity think about me than any human being, because I'm genuinely trying to live with positive intentions and convictions, they know I'm not being disingenuous. They know I really want to help and understand. I can't find that understanding through the current sanctioned versions of Christianity, and I think that's intentional. End gay rant

The problem with Chrstianity isn't Christ it's the subhuman trash who have abused and monopolized his words since the beginning. What if the Gospel of Thomas was true?

NOOOOO SAAARR NICEA SAAARRR

Because Eusebius, a literal crypto kike and Jewstatine said so? Lmao

Can you fulfill a law against murder by not committed murder? Can you commit murder now?

Negative Charge -- The Quakes

LYRICS

I'm a negative charge minus fifty degrees

I'm indestructible

I'll bring you to your knees

I'm a negative charge I'm gonna bring you down

I'm a negative charge you don't want around

Well I remember when I was young about the age of three

I didn't wanna play with nobody

Nobody wanted to play with me

I'm a negative charge I'm gonna bring you down

I'm a negative charge you don't want around

I'm a negative charge minus fifty degrees

And I'm indestructible

I'll bring you to your fucking knees

I'm a negative charge listen to my sound

I'm a negative charge you don't want around

Heads up your first link isn't working, 2nd one works fine.

Reject Gnosticism and embrace the original Bible, brother.

So the ordinances were a complete waste of time. LOL. LMAO

And some more information on Venus from The Secret Doctrine, by Helena Petrovsky Blavatsky…

Shukra, or Venus, is thus represented as the Preceptor of the Daityas, the giants of the Fourth Race, who, in the Hindû allegory, at one time obtained the sovereignty of all the Earth, and defeated the minor Gods. The Titans of the Western allegory also are as closely connected with Venus-Lucifer, which was identified by later Christians with Satan. And, as Venus, equally with Isis, was represented with cow's horns on her head, the symbol of mystic Nature—one convertible with, and significant of, the Moon, since all these were lunar Goddesses—the configuration of this Planet is now placed by theologians between the horns of the mystic Lucifer. It is owing to the fanciful interpretation of the archaic tradition, which states that Venus changes simultaneously (geologically) with the Earth, that whatever takes place on the one takes place on the other, and that many and great were their common changes—it is for these reasons that St. Augustine repeats it, applying the several changes of configuration, colour, and even of the orbital paths, to that theologically-woven character of Venus-Lucifer. He even goes so far in his pious fancy as to connect the last changes of the Planet with the Noachian and mythical Deluge alleged to have taken place 1796 b.c. 54.

why do people cream over the gospel of thomas so much? its not really saying much.

As Venus has no satellites, it is stated allegorically, that Âsphujit (this “Planet”) adopted the Earth, the progeny of the Moon, “who overgrew its parent and gave much trouble”—a reference to the Occult connection between the two. The Regent (of the Planet) Shukra loved his adopted child so well that he incarnated as Ushanas and gave it perfect laws, which were disregarded and rejected in later ages. Another allegory, in the Harivansha, is that Shukra went to Shiva and asked him to protect his pupils, the Daityas and Asuras, from the fighting Gods; and that to further his object he performed a Yoga rite “imbibing the smoke of chaff with his head downwards for 1,000 years.” This refers to the great inclination of the axis of Venus—amounting to fifty degrees—and to its being enveloped in eternal clouds.

youtube.com/watch?v=dFwyPAkj3Jc

Lmfao right? Even if 10% of the fucking Gnostic texts were "true" that would turn the entire rotten foundation on its head. We were literally served this knowledge on a silver platter and then these fuckers step in and alter the entire trajectory of human progression.

archive.org/details/time-and-the-origins-of-our-cosmos/page/10/mode/2up

try this one and let me know

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archive.org/details/time-and-the-origins-of-our-cosmos/mode/2up

infallible God

hahaha, we're finding out...

youtube.com/watch?v=QKynv-E1NsI

This one works you're good

John was written 140 years after Christ you literal NPChristian. It was written to counteract Gnostics which btfo out of exoteric trash

It's more logical than schizo God. Even as an avatar Jesus neutralizing OT law means it was a waste of time. Especially the peis mutilation

The Bible must be supplemented with Gnostic texts if one wants to actually make any progress in determining what the actual fuck all of this is. No sir, I will not do such thing.

Once again, none of the planets are real. The only thing real is the Earth, The Sun, and The Moon. You're drowning in a falsehood.

John is trash and written after 140 A.D. the Q source proves its bullshit

OT God is Jesus.

yeah, no more circumcision (unless you want to)

also Isaac Newton's "heresy" is redeemed, and there are definitely dragons ;)

youtube.com/watch?v=iMMUAd66vxo

No, dummy, you can still ascertain what all this means through a personal relationship with God. If you call for him through the reading of The Bible to show you, he will answer.

t. Answered by God

youtu.be/ktNWD8XyCeo
Greekify your soul, but don't Greek so hard you believe Yaldabaoth exists.

Where's the guy who spams anti-nose memes at anyone who criticizes christianity? He'd like this thread.

... hahahaha. Well, good luck with that

The Old Testament god is purported to be Satan (the demiurge). Jesus was still in the pleroma during these times... His entrance into this realm was a reaction to the god you are claiming to be himself. Holy shit the hoops you fuckers jump through

Christ/Cross means curse, putting the cross on the face is to curse them. Christians curse themselves every time they wear one.

Huh? Jesus himself confirms the Old Testament as the word of god and made the effort to confirm its validity.

Look at you, desperately trying to keep the plausible deniability intact.

The only right thing peter ever said was that Jesus was the Son of God. After that Jesus called Peter the spirit of Satan and Catholics worshipped Peter as head of the church.

youtube.com/watch?v=OOYlWF6V8t8

Posts a whore of Babylon

You got a lot to learn.

Announted means covered in oil, when your eyes have oil in them you can’t see. It’s all a trick on your mind.

Huh? You claimed Jesus was the OT god and I replied that he wasn't. I don't care what people after he died claimed he said in this regard. The Book Of Genesis should he replaced by Enoch as far as I'm concerned.

I like seeing Jesus as a genuine regular dude who got so tired of pharisee (jewish) law letting those priests scapegoating everything to hell faggotry that he tried doing shit about it, earning the respect of God and became one with God on his journey. He is the first and the last after all

What the fuck are you talking about in regard to the OT God being Satan and Jesus being a reaction? I wasn't the anon you originally replied to.

Read and absorb this picrel as a potential starting point. Please, if you find the time.

The secret book of John might be his account from Mount Tabor

... that's the more universal story. A person becomes Christ through Righteousness, and is ADOPTED by God.

And that is indeed what happened, and what will continue to happen.

youtube.com/watch?v=137ULrLVuDs

Fuck, yeah we all have green labels sorry anon
It took a tangent my apologies I got you mixed up with let's get back to work this is a great thread

gnostic teachings are pure brain rot. drop it for your own benefit.
how is God bad when he choses a people to eradicate child sacrifice cults?

The paganlarp purity spiral isnt working oy vey quick load up ze next psyop

Jesus lives rent free in ever kike head, for a people that hate him and claim he is boiling in excrement in hell u sure do love talking about him endlessly, seems like the only thing u care to talk about here with us after all the blacked spam got revealed to be u kikes too (obviously when an ordained rabbi owns pornhub)

time.com/7017403/solomon-friedman-pornhub-ethical-interview/

By their fruits you shall know them

Well, okay, but I still want to know what you meant by this:

The Old Testament god is purported to be Satan (the demiurge). Jesus was still in the pleroma during these times... His entrance into this realm was a reaction to the god you are claiming to be himself.

The Universe started off Evil. We're trying to make it better through Time.

It's called Progress.

I hate when people try to use the most mundane talking points to somehow completely transform my current path. As if I'm just gonna be like oh shit... you're right, I was entirely wrong about everything! We can't have this conversation if you continue to conflate little gods with The Monad. You approach me with pure disingenuous intentions. I'm acknowledging this. The below is also a potential reply of mine so I posted them both. Duality

How is God not bad if he continues to allow child mutiliation cults? So he did a good thing in that regard thousands of years ago and now we have to accept him as some gracious dude nowadays? The suffering is still here, it just found 10,000 new avenues to take and propagate throughout.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

He was in the Father's image, and if we are to be as well we must become in Christ's image, by doing that we also become in the Father's image and can be filled with, moved and guided by the winds of the Holy Spirit.

your fedoras on too tight. you're out of your league here, son.

now quote the actual Bible.

it was not meant to be mysterious. poetic language and examples were used to help make understanding easier, not more difficult. the kingdom is both invisible and all around but also something that will be actualized on Earth. thats the whole point... the Devil had established his kingdom on Earth and so Christ's purpose was to bring the world back into God The Father's kingdom.

wastes a huge amount of centuries dealing with Jews instead of just appearing before Abraham.

Illogical for all logical God

Evolutionary eudaemonic tectonics consists essentially in not lifting a finger to help, confident that every civilization will eventually muddle through on its own. Revolutionary solutions, on the other hand, boil down to either the Carrot or the Stick. The Stick, or bestowing happiness by force, is found to produce from one to eight hundred times more grief than no interference whatever. As for the Carrot, the results – believe it or not – are exactly the same

--The Cyberiad, Stanislaw Lem

Which book was the one where the cross comes out of the tomb and talks?

its not Gods fault that your parents got deceived mutilating you in childhood. you act like a grumpy child. everyone suffers in this place, the reason is that Adam gave his authority over earth to satan. God rectified that on the cross so you can come freely back to him and his glory and eternal life in a new world without satan.

Early Gnostics tended to reject the Old Testament God entirely considering this god was seemingly punitive, wrathful, tribal, and nationalistic. Not Jesus, not The Monad, not Sophia. Yaldabaoth. Who was made by Sophia actually and she got some shit for that. Jesus came much later than all of this. There's an entire Christian lens that we are not sanctioned to view Christianity through, it's so profoundly unfair. It makes my divine spark go wild

wdym? God appeared to Abraham. the jews are the offspring of Jacob, Abrahams grandson.

I am uncircumcised brother. As was my dad. You know how much shit I got for that growing up in the US? You know how self conscious I was? Nowadays, I smile and appreciate my father's decision, may The Monad bless him. Back then it was just be getting bullied and all the gay immaculate smegma jokes (which are innacurate as fuck granted you are a basic cleanly human being). FUCK YOU LMAO. That's so fucking funny, the synchronicities are immense.

Circumcision in infants tends to cause frontal lobe damage. Might explain some things.

So, I'm to understand that you're a Gnostic? Not an accusation, just a question.

good for you then.

Why was Jesus ignored by his followers

Spirituality requires inner work. Cult worship, rituals and blaming others do not. The teachings were soon taken over by power-hungry manipulators who distorted his teachings and made it into a religion, a control system of slavery.

what could have been if the historical esoteric Jesus was the one we followed?

We'd have something like pic related earlier in our history.

Isn't it shitty when you accuse someone of something and they have willful, hateful memorable experiences that go against and shit on your accusation entirely? You claiming I'm circumcised is basically a slap to the face, it's funny you claimed I am grumpy, and I am, but for the opposite reason you claimed. I wish these future souls had a choice in getting the dicks mutiliated and I wish more parents were like my father. My actual father, like the real term and not the gay fake trinity father humanization bullshit.

The God/Father within everyone is literal. its in our DNA. Noah is the forefather of every human being on Earth. and its his wisdom, laws, love, spirit etc that is writen into our hearts (DNA). some of his sons fell into sin, like Ham/Lucifer/The Devil.. so theres some bad blood in the mix with humanity as well. its why some people more than others struggle with repentance. to them it doesnt make sense. they dont want absolution or to be forgiven. they enjoy causing evil, to them its now "good". and thats because they're children of the devil. take a guess who falls into that category.

This thead is liking watching comic book geeks argue.

drmomma.org/2009/10/mri-studies-brain-permanently-altered.html

youtube.com/watch?v=Ix3qVmgJ3Zg

Yeah, you're a cool kid. I'm in awe of you.

When you sit up and realize that holy shit, reality is just as cool as those comic books and that we have been forced to read the dictionary essentially our entire lives yeah we are gonna argue. Fuck the cave, I'm tired of it.

Except if you're a Gnostic or Pagan believer. Then you really are just a Marvel tier consumer.

I just figured since you are obsessed with circumcision for some reason.
Israel was a nation set apart from for God from all other nations and they were not to mix with the canaanites. it makes therefor a good reason to have the males circumcised as a sign they are israelites and not canaanites. an israelite would recognize and not let their daughters marry a canaanite man.

You're gonna need to try harder to sway the juggernaut that is my soul. I am in the proverbial zone.

MRI Studies: The Brain Permanently Altered From Infant Circumcision

Two of my physics professors at Queen's University (Dr. Stewart and Dr. McKee) were the original developers of Positron Emission Tomography (PET) for medical applications. They and a number of other Queen's physicists also worked on improving the accuracy of fMRI for observing metabolic activity within the human body.

As a graduate student working in the Department of Epidemiology in 1998, I was approached by a group of nurses who were attempting to organize a protest against male infant circumcision in Kinston General Hospital. They said that their observations indicated that babies undergoing the procedure were subjected to significant and inhumane levels of pain that subsequently adversely affected their behaviours. They said that they needed some scientific support for their position. It was my idea to use fMRI and/or PET scanning to directly observe the effects of circumcision on the infant brain.

The operator of the MRI machine in the hospital was a friend of mine and he agreed to allow us to use the machine for research after normal operational hours. We also found a nurse who was under intense pressure by her husband to have her newborn son circumcised and she was willing to have her son to be the subject of the study. Her goal was to provide scientific information that would eventually be used to ban male infant circumcision. Since no permission of the ethics committee was required to perform any routine male infant circumcision, we did not feel it was necessary to seek any permission to carry out this study.

The baby was kept in the machine for several minutes to generate baseline data of the normal metabolic activity in the brain. This was used to compare to the data gathered during and after the surgery. Analysis of the MRI data indicated that the surgery subjected the infant to significant trauma. The greatest changes occurred in the limbic system concentrating in the amygdala and in the frontal and temporal lobes.

A neurologist who saw the results to postulated that the data indicated that circumcision affected most intensely the portions of the victim's brain associated with reasoning, perception and emotions. Follow up tests on the infant one day, one week and one month after the surgery indicated that the child's brain never returned to its baseline configuration. In other words, the evidence generated by this research indicated that the brain of the circumcised infant was permanently changed by the surgery.

Our problems began when we attempted to publish our findings in the open medical literature. All of the participants in the research including myself were called before the hospital discipline committee and were severely reprimanded. We were told that while male circumcision was legal under all circumstances in Canada, any attempt to study the adverse effects of circumcision was strictly prohibited by the ethical regulations. Not only could we not publish the results of our research, but we also had to destroy all of our results. If we refused to comply, we were all threatened with immediate dismissal and legal action.

I would encourage anyone with access to fMRI and /or PET scanning machines to repeat our research as described above, confirm our results, and then publish the results in the open literature.

Paul D. Tinari, Ph.D.
Director,
Pacific Institute for Advanced Study

youtube.com/watch?v=vQxlZyyy_8A

some of the most low iq emotionally retarded stuff I have ever read except for reddit

In John 14:12, Jesus tells his followers that whoever believes in him will do the works he has been doing, and even greater things, because he is going to the Father. This suggests that through faith, believers can have a significant impact, continuing the work of Jesus in the world.

the the primary goal? Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done. that was Christ's prayer. to reestablish the Father's kingdom on Earth. and thats why his followers are called to be the salt and light of the world and to spread the Holy Spirit and truth to every person. and only then can the devil and ways, the worldly systems of the Devil can be dismantled, put away with, buried into the abyss and forgotten. and the world can be purified of evil, suffering, death.

he was the lamb and also the lion. and Thy kingdom IS coming. God won. Christ is King.

The Mayans were pretty adamant in cutting out the hearts of people on top of their temples and offering it to their Sun god. Doesn't mean they were right.

In general, yesterday's truths become today's falsehoods.

And who's we?

Find Christ, because your zoomer nonsense is impressing no one, except yourself, apparently. It's almost Horoscope cat lady tier with the way you carry yourself.

Jesus told us that in the end times satan will rule the earth and people will kill true believers thinking they do Gods will.
one of the key points Jesus told us over and over was "dont be deceived".

Guess who I am?

Don't really care. Take it or leave it.

Listen to this song. Take it or leave it.

youtube.com/watch?v=kn-QqdeY778

Colossians 2:8-9
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 1:1-3,14-15
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
...
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Psalm 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

It's oddly cathartic how the dude namefagging as Lucifer is more align with my approach to Christ than you.
Someone telling me to sprint in a designated direction also to "Christ" but abandoning every instinct and life experience I've had. As if those aren't essential and mean something. You want me numb and complacent, but under the guise of accepting Christ. I will approach from somewhere else, and there's nothing one can do to stop me. It is about holding the door open for others. Something you cannot understand

Side note, listen to this song it's where I'm at right now. The Deacon Blues

youtube.com/watch?v=ICK6e9WK2A8&pp=ygUXZGVhY29uIGJsdWVzIHN0ZWVseSBkYW4=

Pokedex 133: Eevee! My favourite!

<3

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It's okay, though, because there will come a time in your life where Christ will make himself known to you and make his love known to you. It happened to me, and it'll happen to you. No matter how long it takes, it'll happen. Peace upon you, brother.

Jesus was the first of the Self Reliance crowd and this targets the message. The Kingdom of God is within, we are all made in God's image. Through God we are capable of everything we need to be as God, we just have to be aware enough to know when to not expose ourselves by consuming the serpent's apple, however that may present itself.

believer or not, that is supremely sound mental and physical life advice to succeed individually and morally. nobody can choose your salvation for you, just you

<3 Steely Dan (my dad used to have the vinyls)

May The Monad, Barbelo, and Christ bless you. Peace

the only "bad" or false religions are the cults that formed around the worship of Noah's sons, and the immediate generations of "gods" or demigods. because Ham had his own laws, kingdom, system etc. and i think all the Hamite kingdoms that were part of that empire had their religion. thats where the child / human sacrifice came from. so when it came to blind, insane worship of false gods.. thats the religion you should have a problem with. and technically being an A-theist would mean the rejection of the gods, not just God in a monotheistic sense. but technically, the God of gods, the Lord of lords, the Most High would be The Father of the gods.. Noah. i dont care how many people refject the thought. its not that esoteric. it all lines up. Genesis explains a lot of things pretty plainly, as plain as possible, other things poetically because it needed to be as condensed as possible.

and its not farfetched to believe that the events described in Genesis about Heaven and angels, just like the debate between God and Satan in Job, its talking about things that happened here on Earth. and its also safe to assume history repeated itself becaus theres enough context there. "as it were in the days of Noah". meaning, things are going to happen like they did before.. and something set all of that into motion, and i believe it started with the sons of Noah, with the Fallen Angels. with the Devil and his children the demons. the Hamites. they took over the world after being denied their inheritance. Noah cast down Ham, but Ham came back with a vengeance. he applied all how knowledge, abilities and might to build fortified cities, megalithic structures, large standing armies.. civilization itself. so in some ways a lot of modern people would agree with or side with him in that they have come to like living in "his" world. they see it as advanced or luxurious. that spirit behind Babylon.. of becoming rich, famous, powerful.. like a god. and its all a trick.

Venus does make things pretty complicated... but, Love also solves those problems.

you dont become God. God is self existent.

nobody can choose your salvation for you, just you

God is sovereign, he is the one who draws you to him, not the other way around.

Wow someone who doesn't imply that these happenings were metaphorical and actually can accept that it may have been a literal occurrence. Could Cain killing Abel through a Gnostic lens be viewed as motivation for Yaldaboaoth to remove himself from the pleroma? The straw that broke the camels back?

The one thing i don’t like about JW is your outreach to beasts of the field.

(Matthew 28:19) Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

(Acts 1:8) but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·dea and Sa·mari·a and to the most distant part of the earth.”

(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,

(Ephesians 3:5, 6) In other generations this [secret] was not made known to the sons of men as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by spirit, 6namely, that people of the nations should be joint heirs and fellow members of the body and partakers with us of the promise in union with Christ Jesus through the good news.

Matthew 24:14-And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Mark 13:10-Also, in all the nations, the good news has to be preached first.

Galatians 3:8-Now the scripture, foreseeing that God would declare people of the nations righteous through faith, declared the good news beforehand to Abraham, namely: “By means of you all the nations will be blessed.”

(Acts 1:8) but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·dea and Sa·mari·a and to the most distant part of the earth.”

(Acts 20:20) while I did not hold back from telling YOU any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching YOU publicly and from house to house.

(Acts 5:42) And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.

i wonder if the rhyme and reason behind Ham/ The Devil devouring babies or having first born sons sacrificed to him was to prevent anyone contending with his, and his bloodlines claim to the throne of the world. and not only that, but he was a eugenicist, just like his wife was an abortionist. and he was attempting to breed what we may call the "Holy Spirit" out of mankind. but the ironic thing is thatsame spirit lives within himself because he is a son of God. but i think he was trying to eliminate or reduce the spirit of God which may have been the bloodline of Shem. he was the one most like or in the image of The Father spiritually.. were as Ham may have been physically and visually most in the image of Noah... just one of those plot twists. the asshole couldn't accept that his Father denied him the World and instead cursed his sons to be beneath the other sons of Shem and Japheth. so? Ham made it a point to take and claim the world as his own and to subjugate the other tribes and nations.. Genocide them in certain cases, putting the others to work as slaves to produce goods for his New World Order. and his sons ran the trade routes and enforced his will. and after he died for many centuries they continued to sacrifice first born children to him.. until like the Bible describes, people came to reason and instructed them to STOP DOING IT. but apparently that was too much to ask. "muh paganism" yeah.. thats not your true roots. our deepest roots = The Father God.

TRVKE

Why do people who have never read the entire Bible think they can get away with picking 1 random verse out of context and acting like they've undermined Christianity? It's embarassing. You have no idea what you're talking about. Read all 66 books and try again.

Show me the writings of Jesus himself... or did he not write anything down?

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Most Christians are retarded. They worship Jesus as a god and don’t care about any of his teachings, instead choosing to adhere to the jewish nonsense like Noah and Moses and Hebrews, who Protestants in the US call their ancestors, and other jew testament fairytales. They don’t care about the gospels, the only thing they care about from the New Testament is Revelation which is an acid trip nonsense book that was only included in the canon because it was important to Montanists and Martin Luther ironically almost excluded it from canon. But he unfortunately left it in and gave rise to perverted interpretations like dispensations and pre tribunal rapture bullshit which is not at all part of Christian theology and was made up only less than a couple centuries ago by schizoid men

So Ham was pissed he was the first son and got rejected, so he rejected the first born sons of which he created after? Damn, if only a begotten son was later sent to inject Gnosis into the corrupted population. Wait

There's an air of truth to it. Consider that the cross symbol wasn't put into use until Byzantine, previously it was the Chi Rho. Only after Byzantine began worship of the Theotokos (Mary) did you start seeing crosses. The only cross shape prior to Christianity that was worshipped was the Tanit symbol and the crux ansata which was a simplified version of the original Tanit symbol.

I noticed a lot of crosses in artifacts and art and coins from the Kushan empire ot Bactria (first few centuries AD). The Kushan empire was formed by the mysterious Yuezhi of Tarim Basin white mummy fame. I don’t know if this has any bearing on Christian crosses but I thought it was interesting.

There's an air of truth to it. Consider that the cross symbol wasn't put into use until Byzantine, previously it was the Chi Rho. Only after Byzantine began worship of the Theotokos (Mary) did you start seeing crosses. The only cross shape prior to Christianity that was worshipped was the Tanit symbol and the crux ansata which was a simplified version of the original Tanit symbol.

It seemed to be revealed to me, in the religious sense, that the crucifix was rubbing it in the face of his worshippers that the prophet was defeated by the enemies of humanity. (He didn't complete his mission.) Not to be all serious.

Please share. There's a disgusting amount of overlap with Avestan culture and Buddhism. Even Christianity somehow manages to have a ridiculous amount of overlap with the eastern varieties of Christianity. For instance the Sayings of the Desert Fathers are almost identical to Zen Koans. In addition to this there's tonsure, incense, monasticism, parable based learning, and a heavy Nestorian presence in the far east. And as most people know much of Buddhism was Hellenized since the 2nd century BC, so those cross coins might have been transmitted from early Syriac forms of Christianity because it certainly wasn't in the western Christian or Jewish symbolic lexicon.

Isn't the entire awakenedspecies (now completely moved to Telegram, not weird at all) completely all over the place in regards to all shit like this? Like go fucking look at the channel half of them think they're Pleiadeans, as if I give a flying fuck about one picrel that got disingenuously shared a bunch because it was a big shit on Christianity in general. That is such a vague and gay picrel, dressed up with platitudes meant to influence the reader and hope they don't notice how baseless it is when you inject the multitude of intentionally missing nuances revolving such a complex conversation. Imagine trying to debunk Christ with this gay ass image. Picrel like these bolster Gnosticism if anything because the retard who posts it serves Yaldabaoth 99% of the time. Even look at their language, they tried to be fpbp and failed.

The Cross is one of the most important symbols. End of story.

Read the Quran and you'll understand the problems with the Torah.

I'll make it easier for you: quranenc.com/en/browse/english_saheeh

I can’t upload photos at the moment but search for images of Kushan Carnelian seal, you’ll see a guy holding up a cross

Gospel of Judas is an interesting departure from the official narrative of Christianity.

God is sovereign, he is the one who draws you to him, not the other way around.

you can choose to ask for his blessings or choose damnation. adam chose the apple, Jesus asked forgiveness. it's simple, you can do both on your own.