You may wonder as a christian or Non-christian, why did the Jews crucify Jesus and behead John the baptist...

You may wonder as a christian or Non-christian, why did the Jews crucify Jesus and behead John the baptist? I don't know man. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe.. maybe because they preached the end of the world two thousand years too early. Just like all the apostles did.

M..MM..MUH JEW

refute the argument.

you a gay ass nigga yo

Refute the argument.

This is now a cutie patootie thread by the way.

fairy tale

right

kek, in what part of your life you saw anything that happen on your desert fairy tale book happening in real life? Have you seen a talking bush before? How about someone turning water into wine, after all there's zillions of christcuck golems out there, where is all that stuff?
Nowhere?

No the miracles of the bible can easily have happened. Just not that the new testament came right before doomsday. That was a failure on the christian part. I spit on atheism.

Dont forget the part literally no Christian will ever bring up at the end of the New Testament wherein one of the writers claims to go to heaven and sees God surrounded by angels with wings and eyes all over them. I found it.

Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy

is the Lord God Almighty,’[a]

who was, and is, and is to come.”

There are real humans on this board right now that dedicate their entire life to this fucking book.

Let me guess, this part is just

le allegory symbolism metaphor bro!

That is the exact opposite of what a Christian is promised. It is the antichrists that will receive the wrath of God.

You being edgy against Jesus Christ and Christians does not save you from God's wrath.

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

fucking kek

It wasn't. The book of Malachi says the end. Day of judgement. It couldn't be more clear. What is day of judgment? Does it equal destruction of a couple of jews?

It's actually insane when you think about it, anon, definitively a integral part to maintain clown world on it clownish state.
Kikes destroy white societies not only with marxism but also abrahamic garbage.
Is beyond pathetic, they are so incredible stupid, they think that the universe having a creator require a elaborate desert scam that has being going around for centuries.
When none of the trues learn from the Universe represent any religion on Earth.
Truly the definition of cucks, the white race has no hope with these traitorous cowards among us.

its not the destruction of a couple jews but the complete destruction of israel for them it was the whole world

it was predicting both a near event and a distant eschatological event

if i was a prophet sent by god who knew the entirety of the united states was gonna be destroyed by a meteor and i went around preaching "the end is nigh GTFO" and then all of america was destroyed not the entire earth no one would call me a liar

after israel was destroyed exactly within the timeframe jesus predicted christianity BOOMED in rome as a result because what he said would come to pass had come to pass. those righteous israelites recognized their savoir as their shepherd and followed him out to rome, those left behind were utterly destroyed

My version, new international, the standard for hundreds of millions, says otherwise.

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

who testifies to everything he saw

Nobody sane believes any of this obviously man made bullshit. The very fact we can sit here and argue over translations and interpretations of words demonstrates the absurdity of the entire idea. God, were he to be real, and assuming he is infinitely wise and all powerful, would have communicated his eternal words/wisdom in a way that left no room for interpretation or error. If I am to misinterpret this book I can be tortured forever (loving God by the way XD). Therefore it is of the UTMOST importance it is CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR. You do not get to pick and choose when something is literal (resurrection of Jesus) and when it is symbolic (angles and dragons). You are better than this shit anon.

Man, people are still spreading this nonsense? It was Romans who crucified Jesus you nitwits, not Jews. That doesn’t make for nearly as good a story for antisemetic Christians to latch onto though, I suppose.

no one who sits down and reads the whole bible cover to cover acts like a fag atheist, when you take it all in context the meaning is clear, we contend with you kikes everyday about few passages when taken out of context are difficult to understand but the bible can be understood by any white adult male who simply reads it

argue in good faith while I aggressively misunderstand your position

lol
lmao

although the Jewish leaders played a role in demanding his execution

Just for the sake of accuracy

Take it and eat it. It will turn your stomach sour, but ‘in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.’[a]” 10 I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it.

You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.

Yeah, that was the Reformation, the open Bible.

It didn't happen, it was at best a scam, I also don't care about your abrahamites, fucking desert mutt, go back to pissrael.

Man, people are still spreading this nonsense? It was Romans who crucified Jesus

>>although the Jewish leaders played a role in demanding his execution

Just for the sake of accuracy

pontious literally told the crowd he could see no reason to execute this just man

they replied "his blood be upon us and upon our children"

there are deeper meanings to this implying a blood curse, but the literally meaning is that hey accept FULL RESPONSIBILITY

pious responds

"i wash my hands of the blood of this just man, see ye to it!"

meaning

"i absolve myself of all responsibility of this for if it were entirely up to me id let him go"

You're asking for too much. The NT manuscripts don't even have punctuation or spacing. lmao

Enlighten me anon, how does the contextual flow of these stitched together testimonies make sense of the dragons and angels at the end of this book?

Maybe.. maybe because they preached the end of the world two thousand years too early. Just like all the apostles did.

TWO MORE MILLENNIA

why did the Jews crucify Jesus

He lacked commitment to his quest and lost his divine armor.

I am holding a copy right now. It does. That is also completely irrelevant to what I said.

the idea behind prophecy is that its not giving away so much that we might interfere with it but that after it happens we can be SURE this is what the prophecy was referring too beyond a shadow of a doubt so that we might know the prophecy was god breathed and increase our faith in him

much of the bible is clearly INTENDED to by symbolic the same way if you read any other book that employed symbolism you would know that was what the author intended.

Both Romans and jews are held responsible for killing jewsus which was god's plan btw.
ACTS 2

22 Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.

23 He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross.

ACTS 4

27 In fact, this is the very city where Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the ethicities/goyim (ἔθνεσιν) and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.

28 They carried out what Your hand and will had decided beforehand would happen.

hes talking about the scriptua continua employed in early koine greek manuscripts but you are right that it is irrelevant

rome had a role but its clear not just from the portion of text i already quoted where pontious clearly argues on jesus behalf against the jews and literally washes his hands of it, but in pontious talk with jesus hes respectful of him and is portrayed in a positive light

29 Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man?

30 They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee.

31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:

32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.

33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?

34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.

The mental gymnastics required to hold this position are so absurd I am at a loss.

much of the bible is clearly INTENDED to by symbolic

Ah! Amazing! So you get to pick and choose right? Resurrection of Jesus? 100% literal historical fact.

if you read any other book that employed symbolism you would know that was what the author intended.

Yeah, you mean fucking FICTIONAL NARRATIVE TEXTS that employ symbolism? Those ones you fucking moron?

My point still stands. We are squalling over definitions. It is absurd to believe a perfect, infinite, all knowing God would leave such important information this open (If you get the information wrong you will be tortured for eternity. The ONLY reason you cling to this so strongly is because it was indoctrinated into you from birth. Everyone around you your entire life has affirmed these absurdities. If you had been exposed to these ideas later in life, say, 16-18, you would laugh in the face of the man espousing such obvious lunacy.

22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

>much of the bible is clearly INTENDED to by symbolic

Ah! Amazing! So you get to pick and choose right? Resurrection of Jesus? 100% literal historical fact.

have you ever read a book that employed symbolism? did you find it difficult to discern when and where it was being employed?

Yeah, you mean fucking FICTIONAL NARRATIVE TEXTS that employ symbolism? Those ones you fucking moron?

no nonfiction book has ever employed symbolism?

Rereading over this I apologise for the insults. I get heated in the midst of writing when I am passionate.

God, were he to be real, and assuming he is infinitely wise and all powerful, would have communicated his eternal words/wisdom in a way that left no room for interpretation or error.

he did. its a (You) problem.
fuck he even forced satan to show it to you plain in the open.
the harlot, babylon, is the roman catholic church with the pope as the man of sin between you and God.

im gonna highlight your id and try to keep in mind you are likely an actual atheist and probably not a kike

the kike shills would never apologize nor demonstrate such good nature

The ONLY reason you cling to this so strongly is because it was indoctrinated into you from birth. Everyone around you your entire life has affirmed these absurdities.

i was a very militant atheist for close to ten years, i will admit though i was raised to be christian but i had a firm identity in atheism ten years is a long time and in all that time my "indoctrination" bothered me not at all, i mocked christ, i mocked christians in public prayer to my great shame by shouting cringely "god is dead" i have a strong background in evolutionary psychology

now i believe. my advice is to pursue atheism with all your heart and soul to never stop asking those questions that drove you to atheism in the first place, i mean it too just dont stop being skeptical and asking questions thats what looped me back around in the end believe it or not. was this world really a coincidence?

my translation

hundreds of millions

Irrelevant.

I literally gave you gave you the original Greek word and what it means, you are just aggressively antichristian and too uppity to understand what is even going on.

sēmainō

I. to give a sign, to signify, indicate
II. to make known

fuck he even forced satan to show it to you plain in the open.

You mean the entity that he created and has since refused to destroy? Are you implying God is not all knowing and can make mistakes? No? So then he created Satan on purpose knowing in advance he would cause the Fall of man?

I understand your points, however in the case of such an important text the stakes are raised, and therefore the lense through which we judge its information must be far more critical. Individual interpretation of when symbolism is/is not being employed is just not good enough. Why, in your view then, would a perfect being such as God deliberately spread his word (path to salvation) in such a misleading and confusing way? To me, it seems obvious the books were written by primitive humans as a way to spread basic principles and metaphysics to the masses in a way they could grasp. If you view the text through this lense, everything makes perfect sense.

You mean the entity that he created and has since refused to destroy? Are you implying God is not all knowing and can make mistakes? No? So then he created Satan on purpose knowing in advance he would cause the Fall of man?

oh man, what a low argument. the fuck dont you get that God creates beings with free will including humans? same applies to angels.
the point is, neither your free will nor satans free will stand in the path of the will of God who is all powerful.

I looked into it and you are indeed correct. In this case hundreds of millions of Christians are being mislead by faulty translations. Why does this not cause more alarm in the Christian community?

How are we then, to arrive at an accurate reading of this symbolism? Posts such as

so you are struggling with a lot of what i struggled with i couldnt square hell away with a righteous god it made no sense to me, for you its an issue of the afterlife, i rarely think about it now

(i am making assumptions here reading into what you are righting and could be wrong) but i was obsessed with death even as a child, even as a child who "believed" in god, life seemed such a cruel fate because death was ASSURED i could never ignore it. and on top of that, on top of the certainty of death there was the suggestion of an ETERNITY of torture afterwards if i was not in my mind perfect. as a child i was certain i was hell bound

christianity freed me from my obsession and fear of death, and it was not for its promise of eternity in paradise it had nothing to do with that, just knowing god is real, that was enough i never think about death now. im not pulling your leg and neither am i some idiot who could lie to himself well enough to get rid of that fear if i were capable of doing that i would have done it as a child im simply free.

to answer your question more direclty, the idea of prophecy is not so that you might predict the future with perfect accuracy because than you might interfere with it, but rather so that after the fact you would have NO DOUBT that someone had predicted the future through DIVINE inspiration directly from god. so that you would know he is real basically.

my suggestion is to pursue atheism, focus on what you can know, science basically, pursue it whole heartedly with that same intelligent skeptical mind that prevents you from swallowing the faith at face value. sixteen years ago i was you

So what you are saying is God cannot foresee the total result of actions he makes. So mistakes can be made? Even further, if God created free will, knowing it would possibly lead to suffering the ability to inflict violence unto others, he is not loving.

I see. Thank you for the sincere response. That usually does not happen on this website when this topic is being discussed.

i want to add as well that i saw religion as a way to shake down the masses as well, saw the tributes to aaron and the priestly class as a grift and so on i believed all those things whole heartedly and therefore its easy to understand someone else viewing it that way thats no longer how i see it.

a simple thought experiment.
if satan did not fall, how many humans would be in paradise?
exactly 2.
but satan did fall, so how many humans are in paradise in the end of days?
uncountable.
God is a smart businessman.

I see. Thank you for the sincere response. That usually does not happen on this website when this topic is being discussed.

brotherman you have no IDEA how refreshing it is to talk to an actual sincere atheist as opposed to a kike shill, i spend almost everyday dealing with the worst "humans" imaginable, this has been an absolute breath of fresh air

Same applies to angels

You are speaking complete nonsense. You cannot demonstrate this. That is even accepting the premise of angels in the first place. Another unfalsifiable (unprovable) assertion.

bad thing happen mean God not real

Sure

well, evil exists doesnt it? if God is good and perfect why does evil exist?
there is your proof of angels that fall away from their position.

something inhumane occurs

god cannot be real

it feels so good to be an atheist

i'm free

You are smarter than this man. Do you not see how this faith is twisting your ability for logical reasoning?

God makes Adam and Eve

Exist in paradise

God thinks "hmmm I would love if more of my creations could exist in this space"

"Well, I'm all powerful after all so I could just create them here right now"

"No! That would be stupid!"

"Instead I shall create an angel (of my own design, the ability to even go rogue in the first place baked in) that will go rogue and corrupt my two creations (woops was not watching).

"The newly fallen humans (no fault of their own) will then have to exist outside of paradise with sin hard coded into their very existence (tee hee woopsie! silly me!) all so eventually they will end up back in paradise.

"I am so proud of my ingenious efficiency!"

Because he made it you fucking retard. God created everything. He made evil. There is no way around this. Well, there is only ONE way. You must concede he is not all powerful.

the entire point of the faith is that Jesus Christ is God in human flesh that took all sin of you on himself so there is no shame or guilt on you.
humans had to exist and they had to fall for God to show is grace and glory of his perfect nature to you in human form.
we all fall short of the glory of God, but he enabled us to be in his presence even if we are the biggest sinners.

"Oh and also to make up for the sinful nature I endowed them with I will create a physical manifestion of myself in the form of a random guy in bronze age Palestine and have him brutally murdered all to save everyone else from their sin but not actually because sin still exists and I will still torture you forever if you disobey my word that I actually did not write but "inspired" into the heads of other men in the middle of the desert.

fuck around and find out. how else do you learn what is good and how to avoid evil?

Why does this not cause more alarm in the Christian community? How are we then, to arrive at an accurate reading of this symbolism?

I don't think everyone is called by God and to receive an understanding of the Bible, and many don't want to know, even when you give it to them freely. They just don't accept, they look at you blank and just say "no". Nothing anyone can do about it, it's their personal choice to rebel or to reject or to mistreat and so on, for whatever personal subjective reason. It's the fallen human nature of this fallen humanistic Babylonian world that we are living in. The world is full of deception and lies and murder and corruption, and not everyone is called, and not everyone will understand the same deepth of the Bible. If you have an open and honest heart towards God though, then He will give you understanding, only you, not to "everyone". The assumption that "everyone" on the whole face of the earth "has to become Christian and understand every matter of God" is not something that I beleive in. The depth of God's word is not for everyone, not even for every Christian. Even Christians will go against the truth, the largest "Christian" organization is the Roman Catholic church, which is a false church, a counterfeit church of deception and fornication and sorcery and paganism and so on, the whore of Babylon. You can try and tell the Roman Catholics, they won't listen, they don't care, they worship Rome. They will just call you heretic and wish they could go back to the "good old times" where they made war against "heretics" and burned them on the stake for daring to translate the Bible (sweet in the mouth, but bitter in the belly).

see >so there is no shame or guilt on you.
But the concept of sin still exists for Christians?

humans had to exist and they had to fall for God

Nope. God could have done otherwise. As I said before God could have just created us in paradise.

God to show is grace and glory of his perfect nature

So he is a petty cunt that shows off to his creations?

he made lucifer and the angels and lucifer rebelled by sleeping with eve and a third of his angels rebelled with him and also slept with the daughters of adam the bible records this in genesis three and six and the hybrid offspring were gigantic and violent this is what prompts the flood literally in the genesis narrative

but you would counter god being all knowing should have known that would happen, and you are right he did know and the bible shows how the devils plan works to subvert his people namely via trying to steal the birthright with his own children this is exmemplified in a twins mottiff with cain and abel, and jacob and esau, he tries to race mix his children in so well that they sort of blend in and run gods kingdom from inside, but god had a way of sorting them out, his sheep would recognize HIS voice direclty when he called them out of the old sheepfold (israel) to the new sheepfold with more sheep he had bred in secret in a different fold (rome, and the wider world really where his sheep were scattered again and again)

i know that still sort of leaves the question unanswered and the answer that is not gonna be satisfying to you i understand completley, but god is sovereign this was all his plan

if i did not know beyond a shadow of a doubt he was good, i would hate this i used to hate it, but hes good, its true, his plan is good, and it will all work out to the good of us and him

>so there is no shame or guilt on you.

But the concept of sin still exists for Christians?

think of sin less as the thing which lands one in hell but more as evidence of which tree they descend from

if you display the fruit of god kindness patients but most of all LOVE you likely descend from god (directly through adam)

if your nature causes you to commit murder and to be nothing but deceitful then you belong to your father the devil

think of sin and virtue, heaven and hell, less as cause and effect but more as a sorting. light cannot be joined unto darkness nor can darkness be joined unto light, those destined for hell are TRULY dark inside alien to both you and me, i noted your good nature before remember? they dont posess it there is no place in them for truth says jesus and he meant it the truth is like water and the inside of them is like oil it literally cannot enter into them

can such people be joined unto light when they die them being dark inside? or you who has light inside, can that light be joined together with darkness?

Simple. The golden rule. I would rather not have my things stolen, so I will not steal from others. I value my life and do not wish to die so I will not do that unto others.

Also the notion your God is "good" is a fucking joke. Here is one example. In Deuteronomy 20:16–17, God commanded the Israelites, “In the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.” A similar command is given concerning the Amalekites in 1 Samuel 15:2–3. Why would God have the Israelites exterminate entire groups of people, women and children included?

Commands Genocide.

richard carrier

richard carrier

attached earlobes, coal black eyes, dark curly hair

if he claims he read the bible i simply dont believe him, he has that "liar" phenotype i dont know how to explain it

see Your good God commanded genocide of woman children and animals?

your position is being a kike slave you ameriniggermongrel subhuman

Your good God commanded genocide of woman children and animals?

he created the literally dust their substance is made up from and they are his things to do with as he pleases

cope is unreal

it might help you to know that the original israelites were literally described as whiter than milk with more ruddiness in body than rubies (The word translated to ruddiness in the hebrew is in fact ADAM it meant to be so pale you show blood in your cheek in hebrew besides also meaning clay and being the name of the proginetor of hteir race) and having blue eyes

goliath is recorded hating david literally because he is white

42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

goliath being a giant was likely a remenant at least partly from those hybrid nephilim resulting from the mating of the rebellious angels and the daughters of adam i talked about in genesis 6
"for there were giants in the earth in those days AND AFTER"
we can gleam from this part of samuel that the isrealites were likely racially what we would call white and goliath was not

I mean at least you take the argument to its logical conclusion and just admit your God is an evil tyrant. Most Christians will dance around this particular point. Props to you I guess.

hes a jew i dont believe what he says thats not cope

i further dont believe what you say because of your memeflag

I mean at least you take the argument to its logical conclusion and just admit your God is an evil tyrant

the devil came and planted his own seed in the kingdom of heaven this is a direct quote nearly word for word from jesus himself

those people he commanded them to genocide he did not make and they were violent, they sacrificed children they were disgusting in all ways to civilized white people, its to gods glory that his little beautiful ones should slay them utterly and lay claim to the land, their behavior their evil behavior is passed through their blood

see

you have no idea how spiritual warfare works. a free will sacrifice is required for a covenant with God.

satan: see humans are sinful so they deserve death like me who sinned against you

Jesus: let me die in their place so they dont have to die

easy solution for a complex problem.

But the concept of sin still exists for Christians?

everyone sins, but christians know all their sins are covered even if they cant avoid to sin. there is no condemnation.

Nope. God could have done otherwise.

who are you to tell God how to do things. we humans are insanely limited in our mental capacity. yet God foresaw everything before creation itself. to think you know better is just mere hubris.

So he is a petty cunt that shows off to his creations?

he shares his glory with you, even in a fallen earth where you legally deserve total destruction for your ways.

Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites

nigger can you read the rest of the bible too? these people were sacrificing children to their "gods" by passing them through fire.
hell yes, eradicate that shit. yet here we are where humans all around the world practice abortion. this world deserves fire rightfully. who kills innocent life like its nothing.
I believe you think to high of human nature, its evil by default.

Why would this help in any way whatsoever? How could a loving God command directly and ferociously command the slaughter, the entire genocide of this group?

you shall not leave anything that breathes alive

Refute his.

It's 12 am for me and I must be up early so I will depart. I have enjoyed debating with you all.

umm no atheist has ever studied the bible

what about richard carrier who is constantly debating with biblical scholars and analysing the history of early christianity and the roman empire?

NOOOOOO IT JUST ISN'T POSSIBLE

you know what isn't possible? your faggot jew worshipping religion being true

RITUAL
CHILD
SACRIFICES

MADE UP
HEBREW
ETHNIC
SUPREMACY

are you a race realist?

the people he commanded to kill were evil, its their nature. our dispositions are something like 80 percent genetic minimum OUR DISPOSITION meaning if you are meloncholoy or gregarious things we thought if anything at least THIS must be down to our upbringing, if there is one area where nurture must beat out nature it is in our personality right? experiments show that this is not so we are who we are more or less from birth, and these people were evil and violent they killed their own babies and did worse besides, they drank blood

much of the laws of moses were simply to set them APART from the behavior of the surrounding tribes, from them you get a sort of negative image of what they were like, what moses commanded strongly against they likely did the surrounding tribes. it paints a nasty picture and today we know there are groups of people who naturally are around twenty five times more likely to commit murder than we are, and we live amongst those people now and are they not a constant thorn in our side? god said if you do not completley destroy these people they will be a constant thorn in your side.

there are tophets found in carthage that contain the remains of infant sacrifices we have found in the modern day, there is some cope that the baby remains found in the urns were not sacrifices but the evidence does not bear that out and when we came to the new world, the americas we found canaanites carrying on human sacrifice just like they did in the old world

kikes and their larpagan golems seething eternally.

mary worship is idolatry

hard facts being presented

fucks off

i appreciate your zeal but i think he was a genuine atheist for once and actually went out of his way to apologize for insulting me so much before i even responded to his message. hell come around i literally guarantee it

why did the Jews crucify Jesus and behead John the baptist?

Matthew 3
New International Version
John the Baptist Prepares the Way
3 In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”

5 People went out to him from Jerusalem and all Judea and the whole region of the Jordan. 6 Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

actually John the baptist, was baptizing people and said to be good people, but Pharisees and Sadducees are evil people as we already know, and he said that those people keep producing "bad fruits" aka bad children, bad descendants, and because they keep doing evil and creating evil, their roots or tree of lineage will be cut down and destroyed into the fire.

Revelation 3:9

Revelation 3:9
New International Version
9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars

OP, you just have to read the bible to find the obvious things that they are lying everyday in the TV, radio, newspaper and now youtube and social media.

the bible can be understood by any white adult male who simply reads it

Skin color is irrelevant for salvation

i never mentioned salvation

generally only white men can understand the bible there are exceptions, for a little leaven leaveneth a whole loaf

i never mentioned salvation

Shame, you should

generally only white men can understand the bible

You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

Oh noooo don't send me to hell Jewish genie! Please have my foreskin!

the devil came and planted his own seed in the kingdom of heaven

All according to the will of God

The gospels say nobody will know the day or the hour. Not even the angels in heaven or the Son but only the Father. So I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Do you have another argument?

if Christians are right

John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”
wow, it's almost like you're a gay nigger

you are offended at the truth because you are brown, KNOWING i would accept you as would jesus anyway if you would exhibit the fruit of his spirit, namely humility

this did NOT the samaritan woman

this argument we are having right now will help people understand the TRUE meaning of this passage that gets bandied about

fink about it

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews

that is the egyptian god of the harvest bes not yaweh

Wtf you expect me to believe Thor rides a chariot pulled by goats? Lmao just use horses dummy. Kali has 4 fucking arms?!! What would a god even need that many arms for, so unrealistic. Muhammed rode to heaven on a Buraq. Pfft your telling me he can fly that high with no space suit? Get owned religion tards, I am too smart for your tricks.

No wonder Jews are obsessed with BBC

you are offended at the truth

You didn't give any truth. Just a silly opinion

if you would exhibit the fruit of his spirit, namely humility

Says the liar

I'm whiter than you most likely but that's also irrelevant

>the devil came and planted his own seed in the kingdom of heaven

All according to the will of God

sure but remember what happens to those seeds
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

you are offended at the truth

Here's the truth. Christians are divided over 30k divisions. So much for your "white guys" reading the bible lol

I'm whiter than you most likely but that's also irrelevant

prove it

and no a hand wont do

sure but remember what happens to those seeds

Yeah, another Will of God, lol

into the furnace its just where you belong

Even when you engage in good faith, you get completely ghosted and ignored. These cunts never even read the Bible and just want to argue in bad faith 24/7.

prove it

You first. Date and time stamp with your ID. You won't do it. You never do.

boohoo

Is all you have

Even when you engage in good faith, you get completely ghosted and ignored. These cunts never even read the Bible and just want to argue in bad faith 24/7.

i agree with you 99 percent of the time but if you go back over our convo he was going out of his way to aknowledge me for arguing in good faith and even apologizing unprompted for being unduly hostile to me, hes a good guy i think and you know when i was 20 i was a full blown atheist i think he will come around

i appreciate you though anon i can tell you are speaking from a place of truth

You first. Date and time stamp with your ID

has anyone in Anon Babble history been required to post their fucking ID? i already posted several timestamps you know im who i say i am but you kikes always cope like this when you have ceased to argue and thats when the thread gets boring im out.

hes is questioning the narrative at least. its more than most do.

Alright my bad, I wasn't following the convo chain. Keep doing you.

has anyone in Anon Babble history been required to post their fucking ID? i

Yup. You always weasel out of it.

i already posted several timestamps

Nope

you know im who i say i am

A faggot

in my REAL LIFE i have always found atheist enjoyable to talk to they tend to be open minded thoughtful people

here on Anon Babble the atheists though 99.99 percent of the time act EXACTLY like jews, not like any of the atheists i have known and forged friendships with in my real life, i wonder what the explanation for that might be lol

Look

This is a verbal tick people say when they are lying to you and trying to convince you of their lie. You literally typed it. That is some next level faggotry.

I get dunked on by athiest

so they're jews

There's your explanation

>has anyone in Anon Babble history been required to post their fucking ID? i

Yup. You always weasel out of it.

im not posting my fucking ID on Anon Babble but im jacob anthony mcqueen and you know it, this is cope its boring as fuck as well

you kikes are constantly moving the goalposts, i posted timestamp after timestamp even got BANNED for fucking posting them even saying "When i post my timestamp it wont be enough for you" before hand pic rel is proof you will cope

im not posting my fucking ID on

Like I said

You always weasel out of it.

Kek

504544985

you are gonna ignore the fact that you dishonestly were presenting yourself as a christian for many threads not just this one and revealed your true colors

skin color is irrelevant to salvation

before you deny it that is you presenting yourself as a christian atheists and pagans arent really concerned with salvation like that and you intended to embroil me in a debate presenting yourself as another christian about the bible, until i showed that i actually read the bible lol and then you come out as an atheist

really though you are blatantly a kike

see how he ignores the logic of my post and the pic rel?fucking boring, see you later pussy

you are gonna ignore the fact that you dishonestly were presenting yourself as a christian for many threads

I never once said I was a Christian. I'm a former one though

really though you are blatantly a kike

Tell me more how Jesus makes you seethe when salvation is offered to everyone

how he ignores the logic of my post

There no ID in your supposed pic. You do what I said you'd do. Weasel out

you said you were white i said prove it with a pic of my white face, the timestamp proves at the very least my face is my face regardless of what my name be

you cant prove you are whiter than me because you arent kike

Seems like the peak of hubris to assume to know what an all powerful god and his machinations would be like. We're given a choice to enter into his embrace through spiritual and personal revelations that he bestows upon us to better feel his light and the wonder it brings. Wanting a clear-cut instruction manual is lame as fuck. It'd be like reading some pamphlet at the DMV. Nobody would give a shit.

you said you were white i said prove it

I don't need to prove it. It's absolutely irrelevant to any argument about Christianity

you cant prove you are whiter than me

No need. Salvation is available to me regardless :^)

I never saw it personally in my own life so therefore it most definitely never happened or existed

You've never seen a wooly mammoth walking around in the wild either anon, but they most definitely existed.

You've never seen a wooly mammoth walking around in the wild either anon, but they most definitely existed.

Yeah because there's actual evidence to back it up