It's over

a ground war vs China

LOL no way did we ever intend to win any ground war against China or even Russia!

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE NUKES
THAT'S WHY WE NUKED JAPAN INSTEAD OF INVADING THEM

Why would you even want to fight a ground war with China?

So basically China can do whatever they want in the present and future? Not like we're gonna risk nuclear war over global hegemony.

Any war with nuclear powers would go nuclear the second either side effectively loses.

No. These are combat veterans who served in Syria. Iraq and Afghanistan still on the roster. These are people that were discharged from 2018- now can still be called up on a mandatory basis..then we could easily conscript 18,000 a month

Within 30 days of a major invasion or hostility we could have more than a million people fielded and outfitted with modern gear

No other nation on earth could do this cept for Russia and maybe China (assuming they had that much working equipment. Which they probably don't)

A million is a stretch. Sure, maybe 200k would be worth a damn. These combat vets you speak of are not fighting soldiers. I saw bus drivers in Afghanistan who came back home talking about being a combat vet. And how many are really going to leave their families to die? Let's be generous and say you can find 300,000 good strong trained soldiers. It's an impressive number, but our number one adversary, China, has an almost unlimited manpower source. And they are so completely cucked to the CCP, that they will report to their duty stations and they will die for China.

And what's worse about all of this is that our air force and ground forces are the only things that can contend with China. Our Navy is going to get crushed on day one. China has a ship building capacity that is 200 times greater than ours. That's not a typo and it's actually a little over 200. In 10 years they will have the strongest Navy in the world and Air Force that can contend with us, and a ground force that will dominate Us in numbers and strength.

These are combat veterans who served in Syria. Iraq and Afghanistan still on the roster. These are people that were discharged from 2018- now can still be called up on a mandatory basis

The IRR is based on an 8 year service contract. If someone served for 4 years then they have to spend 4 more years in the IRR. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Within 30 days of a major invasion or hostility we could have more than a million people fielded and outfitted with modern gear

Holy shit lmao you're actually fucking retarded

And how is a ground war against China supposed to occur? Are we going to drain the Pacific Ocean and fight in the depths of the abyss?

we have

i have my own arms legs and feet. thats about it

It won't at all be a ground war. USSTRATCOM is going to be the majority of it. Air will be the bringer of Chinese death. Not land but sky

So America has like 30+ and China has 19?
Is that supposed to be impressive?

Two X (XX) are divisions, not three (XXX) friend.

Sorry, my post was confusing, China has 19 Corps, while the US has 30+ divisions.

We're not ready for war. We're a sitting duck

china can make 100x the drones

we

Shut up bug, go kvetch about Taiwan(real china).

I was just trying to count brigades, but I'm not an ant so that image is meaningless. On top of that they're arbitrary sized elements. They could be any number of people in each.
Regardless, nobody is really worried about the manpower of the chink army. Everybody knows there's plenty of bugs. The difference is equipment, tech, and training

Anon Babble isn't aware that space lasers is the new god tier weapon

In general, the regular Chinese armed forces have 4 million troops, 2.2 million active, 1.2 million reserve, and 660,000 paramilitary.

There's the national militia with 10 mi, but it's another whole rabbit hole.

Yeah all you guys have is multiple branches of armed forces across land sea and air, each with a standing force like 3x the size of the entire Canadian armed forces along with its reserves. You really don't know how bad things really are, you could just walk up here and stick a flag in the ground.

But I agree that if we go to full cope mode, and pretend Chinese hardware and training sucks, then the US still has an advantage. The reason is why we'd do this, the first combat test of Chinese hardware, in Pakistan-India has been quite a massive success, considerably better than NATO equivalent.

India isn't in NATO

I know Americans are copers when it comes to warfare, I'd also be if Brazil lost so many wars to militias, but India had a top tier NATO jet, the French Rafale (price tag 300 mi) and it was shot down by a relatively old Chinese plane, with a relatively old Chinese missile, despite Pakistan having plenty of US hardware.

America refuses to listen. It’s morale which wins war. They have demoralised their fighting age white men. It is too late. They will not fight. The old and rich can cry for the draft all they want. We will not go

5 minutes of research reveals that the reported skirmish was Indian soviet era jets, plus some early 2000s french jets against chinese early 2000s jets. There was no "relatively old" chinese tech.

Also it's all rather speculative since we don't know anything about the size of the forces in the skirmish, supporting firepower, or really anything at all.

It's a rather irrelevant comparison to US tech and training vs. Chinese tech and training if you're using Chinese tech and Paki training vs French/Soviet tech and Indian training as the standin

5 minutes of research reveals that the reported skirmish was Indian soviet era jets, plus some early 2000s french jets against chinese early 2000s jets. There was no "relatively old" chinese tech.

Early 2000s may be new for American standards, it's the time period of the F-22 and the F-35, but it's quite old for Chinese standards. The JF-17 also fielded by Pakistan being from 2007, and J2- first flight being from 2011.

Also it's all rather speculative since we don't know anything about the size of the forces in the skirmish, supporting firepower, or really anything at all.

I guess we could go full mutt-cope, and pretend it's nothing, but it's very significant that if was a full Chinese configuration who took the kill, instead of Pakistan US planes and missiles.

It's a rather irrelevant comparison to US tech and training vs. Chinese tech and training if you're using Chinese tech and Paki training vs French/Soviet tech and Indian training as the standin

Unless we pretend Pakistan is some heaven for high skills, it's pretty much a pure hardware fight, both sides having very low skill.

and J2- first flight being from 2011.

and J-20 first flight being from 2011.

"Relatively old" in that context seemed to be comparing between the tech involved.

it's very significant if X

It would also be significant if one Paki in a chinese plane took out 5 indians in contemporary tech. Point is it's 90% speculation. Chances are the aggressor was fighting against greater numbers with supporting anti-air ground support as is typical when you're pushing into defended territory.

unless we pretend

Personally I'd put money on the Pakis having better training, but I agree the gulf probably isn't that high.

MacArthur smiling down on us from heavens

"Relatively old" in that context seemed to be comparing between the tech involved.

Relatively old compared with the Chinese proper forces will be fielding. The US will not go against J-10s as the most dangerous Chinese plane.

hances are the aggressor was fighting against greater numbers with supporting anti-air ground support as is typical when you're pushing into defended territory.

India has twice as many warplanes, and the NATO plane was shoot down deep (80 km / 50 mi) into Indian territory, where it should have support from AD and ground RADAR.

Personally I'd put money on the Pakis having better training

This is complicated, the Indian pilot in on of the few expensive NATO planes is probably the best India can fight, while the J-10 is a relatively low tier plane in Pakistan, behind F-16s and JF-17s. I prefer to think it was as good of a pilot as India had.

marine corps

socom

various other army units

nowhere are they mentioned

The 8 - 10 million large 中国民兵 is also excluded, as are PLAN, PLAAF, PLARF combat forces.

India having twice as many planes is of no consequence. We're talking about an actual battle, not white room game theory.
Also where they landed isn't where they were shot. The skirmish took place in Paki territory and never left it

India having twice as many planes is of no consequence. We're talking about an actual battle, not white room game theory.

Also where they landed isn't where they were shot. The skirmish took place in Paki territory and never left it

It was not even an air-battle, the J-10 fired a long range PL-15 missile (compare with an American AIM-174B) and hit a Rafale inside Indian airspace.

I can't say for sure, but it was possibly the first kill at such range.

The performance of the PL-15 is great.

yes, but ground war
at least op could have made an accurate ground forces comparison between active duty
inactive reserves don't matter because both nations can shit them out when they go full war economy. right now, its whose money can support what

Any war between the US and PRC will be a total war, even assuming it'll not be nuclear is a bit of fantasy on our part.

Only counting active service is useless.

They won't force a fight until they are almost certain they will win. They have been actively preparing for it through the means of "Unrestricted Warfare" for at least 25 years.

coincidentally around the time they stopped having kids. the chinese army is even more decroded than the us army

lets be real, nothing ever happens
both sides will be pussy faggot niggers and treat it similar to how ukraine is with taiwan being a gay nigger stalemate
without disclosing classified information, from my 'experience' all forward units in the pacific have 48 hours after war is declared. believe it or not, we came close in 2023

It'll most probably not happen, but this sort of comparsion is fun, if nothing else.

It was an air battle and that never happened

Isn't it just gonna be the us navy putting chink tankers in the shadow realm until the PLAN runs out of gas?

About this, let's give it a month or two before the fog of propaganda settles a bit, I've seen far too many versions, and the one I said seems to be the most probably.

You've seen the USN fight Houthis, not imagine the PLARF.

Dude stop clutching your pearls and coming here to meltdown over this. You need to get with the times. When was the last superpower v superpower ground war? It doesn't doesn't happen anymore, conflicts are relegated to pathetic proxy wars and other activities behind the scenes like cyber attacks. Why is that? Well because that's what MAD means. Nukes may indeed be fake and gay, but Mutually Assured Destruction is a very-real blanket term that means if this escalates to a hot conflict, we will find a way to vaporize each other. Even a blind man can see, scenarios like that, nobody wins. Stop watching WWI stories about blowing the whistle and loads of men going over the wall. It ain't gonna happen like that.

the us navy doesnt have to fight any chink military asset, it can just choke off the supply of oil by commandeering tanker ships, which can't fight back in any meaningful capacity. too slow, way too poorly armed.

Very good, what you do in a scenario where the Chinese doesn't decide to not fight back, for a change?

Very good, what you do in a scenario where the Chinese doesn't decide to not fight back, for a change?

Very good, what you do in a scenario where the Chinese does decide to not fight back, for a change?

It's kinetic rods, retard. Also, ground war where? There's a rifle behind every blade of grass here. Taiwan was abandoned when the Brits and Portugal gave up there land claims.

the actions taken by the us navy which I'm describing here are happening in the indian ocean, about 5000 nautical miles away from the closest chink military asset

Indeed, the Chinese lack any sort of navy, or are we playing by "only US ships count, because US #1" rules?

navy cant get to where theyre needed fast enough, and they have to go to guam or japan to rearm
china will open with ballistic missile oversaturation and a hasty invasion

the plan doesnt have the range to even get to the strait of malacca, let alone through it and into indian waters
invasion of what? taiwan, guam, the phillipines maybe?

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10% Red China, 30% Murica

Big dumb.

the plan doesnt have the range to even get to the strait of malacca

Anon, making up your own "facts" about the PLAN will do no good, you shouldn't do this.

But let's imagine we live in this mutt-cope world, the PLAN is not real, no one does anything about the USN attacking random civilians ships... then you'll cut all sea-based oil imports for PRC, oil makes up 20% of PRC energy needs, half of it is produced inside China, one quarter is imported via land, one quarter is imported via sea.

Congratulation, you cut out 5% of China's energy, and now what?

china lacking a blue water navy is well documented; their longest range ships are ironically the carriers, which shouldnt go out unescorted. so the whole fleet remains bottled up in the first island chain. china doesnt produce enough oil domestically to run a wartime economy even with rationing, those wells have been tapped dry for a long time. and why would india be angry that the us navy is commandeering ships full of crude oil and delivering them to indian docks?

oil makes up 20% of prc energy needs but represents the sum total of warfighting capacity. no gas means no machines going.

Anon, I'm not interested in your "China has no navy" fan fics,

oil makes up 20% of prc energy needs but represents the sum total of warfighting capacity. no gas means no machines going.

I really feel like the American understanding of warfare is locked in 1945, nuclear reactors are not real, coal liquefaction is in it's very early states...

china's navy is predominantly non-nuclear, I think its just a carrier and a dozen subs.

7th has the best patch. The reverse black widow hourglass looks dope.

And it has been 70 years since the glorious days of WW2, coal liquefaction is considerably more advanced today than it was 3/4 of a century ago.

Specially in PRC, that leads the field.

taiwan, and if they succeed, okinawa prefecture
time is limited. they need distractions so we dont focus on taiwan, so korea may possibly open up depending on opportunity or desperation
korea is sort of treated as its own front separate from china, ground units in japan and korea dont share expenables or plan to support each other

the prc imports about 11 billion barrels of oil a day. coal liquefaction isn't going to cover that regardless of improvements to yield

*million

Chinese have demonstrated they can defeat eurofighters, that's different than an F-35, which can only be defeated by the idiocy of its pilots.

First, much of China's oil imports are done by land, this may reach 100% in half a decade.

Second PRC has a 1.4 billion population, reducing civilian usage of fuel can easily reduce daily consumption by 11 millions barrels a day, and much of the Chinese economy runs rely on electric power for transportation.

The Chinese energy issue is not as critical as it was in 1990, despite many Americans still being stuck in that time.

what does taiwan even get the chinese anyway? its gonna be blown to smithereens by the invasion bombardment and its not like the chip fabs are going to survive. I guess it could be an offshore port which extends chinese range, but not by all that much in the grand scheme of things. its gotta be an internal political play

I guess we'll see, paulo, who is definitely not chang vpning to brasil

Does calling me Chinese out of angry change anything I've said? Let's pray American military leaders are not as stuck in 1990s as you are.

just calling it like I see it; we'll see whose perspective on the world is more accurate soon enough

I don't think your military leaders are stupid enough to test if facts or wishful copes are more reliable, but who knows.

probably not, especially since theres no clear picture of what happens in china when xi (age 70) shuffles off this mortal coil. why antagonize a government that might not make it to 2050?

they gain chinese de jure. thats all that really matters to them, especially because it has been promised

China will collapse

Americans have been wishful thinking this for more time than you were born, keep it for anothe century.

I was in 2ID. Biggest retards I’ve ever met.

lotta effort spent to get some countrymen back, especially whom I imagine would be ticked off at the government on account of the explosions.
is that a "no I don't know what happens after jinping dies?" cuz I'm keeping a tally and you're the 41st pro-china guy to be unable to answer

What do you want me answer? When the Chinese leader China will fall, they've never had any change in power before, never ever, only the US can change leaders? Kek.

xi has consolidated more political power in himself than any of his predecessors, arguably including mao. its a fair question what succession looks like here

xi has consolidated more political power in himself than any of his predecessors

Yes my dear mutt, Xi has consolidated more political power than chairman Mao.

The things you say...

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who asked you?

we'll see

Two weeks, anon, two weeks.