Normalized Harm

want to get teeth cleaned

sign up for dental appointment with dentist I've gone to for years

openly say I don't want x rays, receptionist say that's fine and to tell the nurse at my appointment

Go to appointment and tell nurse

Nurse gets dentist, she says I need to sign a waiver form if I don't want X-rays, I say yes.

Receptionist manager comes over and says they don't have a form, and if I don't want X-rays they can't treat me at all

Refuses to give me her name or why she has authority over the doctor

Threatens to call police if I don't leave

Reported them to my insurance company.

Why have we normalized dentists x ray frying your brain every dentist check up? It can cause cancer. They can visually check for cavities.

I called other dentists and they all require x rays if you are a new patient as a 'standard of care'

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6341170/

How do you get kicked out of a dentist office lol
Sorry to be unsupportive but damn

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X-rays as part of a simple cleaning

They're trying to normalize bilking patients and their insurance companies
Simple as
Good for you for refusing this tardation

I went to a dentist months ago to pull an infected wisdom tooth, easiest thing there is to do. Dentist office was a cabal of ugly post-wall woman and a tranny. They do an x-ray, then tell me they "can't" pull the tooth, they gave a stupid excuse. I get my teeth cleaned and left disappointed. Go to another dentist the next week, just one guy with a hot female assistant. I'm expecting the same bullshit or a delay tactic. He sits me down and tells me the previous female dentist fucked up my x-ray, so I have to do it again, then tells me he will pull the tooth right after. In and out in 30 minutes with what I wanted. Never trust a femoid.

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They can make tons of money doing minimal amount of shit. If they have two or more hygienists, that says it all. They want to x ray and clean, nothing more. They want to charge you insurance payments on nothing, they want to max you quickly.
I went to a dentist for a filling on a cavity that was bothering me and he refused to fill it without taking a full x ray of all my teeth, setting up a hygienist plan, and getting my wisdom teeth pulled (a referral to a “good dr”) before they would even consider filling the cavity. I protested and asked them to explain and they basically said they just won’t fill it until all the other things are complete first.
So these fuckers wanted me to do 2 deep cleanings, get two wisdoms popped for no reason, and see the hygienists two more times before the cavity could be filled(Pajeet dr, hag staff).

Then I went to some shitty looking practice and one guy and his assistant that also did scheduling. They filled my cavity the same week i went in.
Moral of the story we gotta shop around for dentists/doctors now, everyone is at work for a paycheck these days which is understandable but some of these fuck faces take it way to far

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Because dental X-rays are less radiation than a flight on an airplane, responsible for 1 cancer case in 10 million people. We cannot see cavities in between your teeth (most common spot) without X-rays, until they get huge, and then they often need more treatment than a conservative filling. But that’s fine, be a retard. I don’t mind pulling your teeth a few years down the road instead if that’s what you want. Also plenty of cases of dentists being sued for treating without appropriate X-rays because there was another, undetected, condition.
Also, sounds like you went to a corporate owned place. Those places are going to take you for everything you’re worth regardless of Tx needs.

Are you retarded? Nigger, everything causes cancer. The trivially small damage cause by a dental x-ray is repaired within a day. Meanwhile, the knowledge that your teeth are healthy lasts years.

They can visually check for cavities.

this is how it is done here, the dentist will look tooth by tooth and call out to the assistant the tooth number, (upper left 3) and condition of the tooth for the notes

this
harmful or not, the entire medical industry is in a huge balancing act where they insist on countless expensive unneeded tests and procedures, and then complain there's not enough doctors or nurses or whatever

I have a memory dude, I didn't get brain fried at all as a kid.

I understand it makes your life easier as a dentist since you don't have to visually inspect the mouth, but that should not be left to the detriment to the patient. What's next? Normalizing full X-rays for doctor physicals?

You guys put a lead smock on the patient to protect their organs but you have no method to protect the brain of which you shoot X-rays 18 times directly into.

Please now justify fluoride and now outdated metal fillings that made people hear voices in their head.

Admit you're retarded without saying "I'm retarded" on 4ch challenge.
"fry your brain" when you're going to get fuckall dose (like five uSv. like two hours out in the sun gives you more than that).

I don’t mind pulling your teeth a few years down the road instead if that’s what you want.

yes you do and that's why you are seething

so why the lead smock

It’s for show!
I install CT machines and other scanners at major hospitals. I spoke with site manager about a very expensive scanner we installed that can take the images required in 7 seconds. He told me they actually leave the patient in the tunnel of the scanner for 13 minutes so the patient feels like they got their moneys worth lmao

PT shielding is actually a pretty outdated practice now and usually causes a higher exposure due to more remnant beam scatter. Technologist shielding is because they're doing that ALL DAY every day and that CAN add up. Even then distance is far more effective at reducing occupational dose from scatter far more than a little .5mm of lead apron. You're getting one xray with a cleaning when they're getting compton scatter from potentially 100+ exposures daily.

I went to some shitty looking practice

The best doctors and nurses are in the hood, they are used to zesty riled up negroes, so if you act like a civilized white they will give you the royal treatment.

Insurance companies are a scam. If a doctor refuses to treat you then you can't chargeback the copay. You have to pay cash with no insurance if you want to chargeback.

I wouldn't mind if all medical professionals were lynched because they haven't follow the Hippocratic oath since heroin became a normal medication.

Nice Reddit spacing.
X-rays are always combined with a clinical exam. The lead smocks/aprons are no longer used, the incidence of tissue damage is negligible. If dental X-rays were causing cancer, wouldn’t you expect dentists and support staff, who are getting bombarded by the scatter all day long to have a higher incidence of cancer?
Fluoride is effective at preventing cavities. You are not supposed to swallow it. In my view, it has no business in drinking water. Daily topical application is just as effective without any chance of causing harm.
Amalgam restorations have never been associated with any disease and have over 100 years of use and research behind them. If you want to get shitty plastic fillings that need to be replaced twice as often and cost $100 more a pop, you go for it.

i hate dentists but not just get a basic xray to see if there is an upcoming issue? or is this one one those americans things where they will charge you 1000 dollars for it.

for the record i just had a basic checkup for the first time in 3 years with xray and paid 100 euroinos total

Reminders for dental health

"sensitivity toothpaste" literally rebuilds your teeth. I like toms fluoride free brand

Fluoride actually BLOCKS reminierlizarion of teeth

Fluoride absorbs into your blood stream through your gums, and calcified your pineal gland

Silver diamine fluoride can arrest cavity development at the cosmetic cost of staining the cavity black.

I applied SDF at home on my own but it's probably better to get a nurse friend to do it. Take proper safety precautions like eye protection, you don't want that shit in your eyes.

Lasts years

Have to go back every 6 months

Shut the fuck up

No, they're not "for show", but they're only useful in select cases like fluoroscopy procedures. You're also wrong as fuck about the CT machine. Modern CTs are doing ~256ish+ (some are above 600 slices now) slices per rotation and YES that does make a skull CT take a few seconds, but a lot of the time is prepping the protocol, scout images for centering, making sure your ass it not all sorts of rotated and tilted, processing the scan, sending it to PACS, and gantry movement speeds to prevent under/oversampling. CTs are donuts not TUNNELS a tunnel is an MRI and they take MUCH longer. MRIs are nonionizing and CTs are ionizing, so running a CT for 13 minutes would be unethical as FUCK and a MASSIVE breach of ALARA.

just be too poor to ever go to a dentist like me

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All doctors are niggers

every dentist check up

wait what
do they x-ray you every time, before even seeing the doctor?

that's retarded

most dentists don't own their practice
they work for out of state franchises that hire them as expert workers
the company rep, aka party officer, can override dentist when it comes to company policy

A unfathomably tiny dose to screen out a ton of pathologies is not retarded.

they really do. very time I come in with one problem and tell them I'm only worried about this one thing, they try to as much as they can milk insurance for

you sound like a complete retard
you probably have worse teeth than the average bongistani

I did the same. Finally found a vietnamese dentist who won't require x-rays for every little thing. Went in again recently and he was bitching that my insurance didn't pay them because I had no x-rays done. Insurance insisting on something for you or they won't pay is a surefire way to tell that that thing is dangerous and unnecessary.

Homie got in a lot of trouble for me to not get an x-ray. By the way, 90% of the time they do those it's just to increase the odds of you getting cancer. They don't require illegals to get them on their free insurance.

It possibly has something to do with legal liabilities. There also likely is a financial incentive. You can spot hidden cavities three or for weeks prior to the individual noticing, if I remember correctly. Having said that it doesn’t really make sense, since by that logic you would have to get an x-ray every month.

A lifetime of occupational exposure for a technologist increases their risk of cancer by less than 1%. They're not "exposing you to give you cancer" you're just a retard that is afraid of shit you don't understand.

Or you could just not eat shit and brush with baking soda

you would have to get an x-ray every month.

Perfect! We can dose the goyim with radiation in perpetuity!

Nice inability to understand the inverse square law. The x ray machine POINTED DIRECTLY AT YOUR HEAD is the issue.

Are you amazed that range safety officers are all shit to shit because they are around guns firing all day? It's gotta be pointed at something to be dangerous.

american reading comprehension

you should have gone to 1488 dental

I'm an x-ray machine technician. I won't go near those things if I'm not suited up.

Certain machines are much better than others but the risks aren't as minor as you are led to believe.

You get ~620 mREM of exposure from just radon (~30% of your yearly environmental exposure) and you get ONE mREM from a dental xray. You'd need to get ~two dental series a day every day every year just to match your radon exposure.

Aren't dentists psychos who are the most apt to off themselves?

You'd then know that if the filament is not energized there is no thermionic emission and zero x-ray production when the machine is sitting idle mr """xray technician""". The tube is not going to give you the curse of ra for getting near the fucking tube head. Enjoy sweating your ass off while the entire department laughs at your ass.

Shut up retarded shill. They just want insurance money.

Fluoride is effective at preventing cavities. You are not supposed to swallow it.

If something is in your mouth, you are ingesting millions of particles of it. Even when you spit out your toothpaste and rinse, you are certainly absorbing and swallowing fluoride. Beyond your mouth itself absorbing some of it, the toothpaste mixes with your saliva at a microscopic level. If someone tested for it they would find amounts of fluoride in your stomach after brushing and rinsing your mouth.

I'm not saying it is or isn't a necessary evil for dental hygiene, but that's just how it is.

Yes because deep down they know their field is a scam based on profiting off unnecessary procedures.

Fluoride absorbs through your gums directly into your blood stream. Just like LSD.

Elaborate. How does it rebuild teeth.

You're welcome to turn down any exposure you don't want. It is the patients right to refuse any procedures you don't consent to. Insurance doesn't make shit off a dental exposure.

dentistry is a heavily kikeified profession in the us

why does my dentist still hide behind the column then?
sounds more like some insurance guys said "eh, we'll take the risk on this, and by that, we'll let you take the risk"

What's the latest tech on a fixing a split tooth? Everyone still doing caveman remedies like crowns?

LOL
land of the free

This. I cut out sugar by 95% or more and haven't been to a dentist in 20 years. No tooth aches.

You: exposed once
Him: exposed all day at work
The dose makes the poison. Look into primary/secondary barriers and controlled vs uncontrolled areas if you really want to learn more.

Got shipped away to a military school when I was 16. They said I had to have my wisdom teeth removed to go. The ripped out my teeth. Left me with dry sockets for the first few weeks of bootcamp. Extremely painful I traded all my solid food for milk to survive for a while. My jaw has been locked ever since, too. That dentist fucked me up.

I did not have to have my wisdom teeth removed, I strongly suspect.

We are being tortured by boomers.

It’s not really comparable. Since the body is able do deal with a dose spread over one year much better than with even a tenth of it in less than the blink of an eye. There even is a long, old and complex academic debate about possible health benefits from natural/background radiation or the lack of it.

GO TO AN ASIAN DENTIST
ALWAYS GO TO ASIAN PROFESSIONALS
DO NOT TRUST WHITE PEOPLE TO NOT BE RETARDS, JUDGEMENTAL, AND NOT GREEDY

Tell them when making the appointment, not just when you get there. Tell them to make a not for the appointment that you want no xrays and no flouride treatments.

A child's diet is not their own. To really judge teeth is kinda weird. The colouring sure but the health and status is off but then I remember. I'm buying golds and that people say taking candy from a baby.
You get your real adult teeth at like 7 or 8. I started like super better dental hygienic when I left my parents. It was one of those things that came with the diet and being out all the time. So even if I didn't brush and just whitened and shit. It's no candy no processed food no soda. The issue is a consistent neglect of a child. As an adult if you drink soda and dots you're retarded and a consumer.

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I have some pretty bad gumline cavities because of a trip to the dentist. They basically destroyed all the enamel right below my gums and shortly thereafter I started to get bad cavities. DESU, I think they did it on purpose.
Now I live in absolute agony and I’m scared to go back. I’m scared to trust anything anymore. I’ve been treated like such shit for so long I’m honestly traumatized. I wish there were some way to know what dentists don’t hate white men. At this point I honestly assume everyone is trying to do me as much harm as possible. And I have plenty of evidence to support this.
One thing is for sure, I’ve decided to start hating back. If my my life is going to be hell, I’m at least no longer going to be kind to those that hate me and seek my harm.
Any dentists anons know how to find a dentist that won’t try and harm me? Im seriously terrified of trusting people anymore, but I am hurting really badly. I can’t even focus right now. It gives me a perpetual headache.

Retarded faggot

This. Dentists are some of the worst for this, they'll always find something to sell you.

They gooned...

Tough luck anon, my condolences

Any dentists anons know how to find a dentist that won’t try and harm me?

Go to dentist in bad areas/ghetto towns, the upscale doctors in fancy offices are psychopaths

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trailer park monkeys with nasty mountain dew and meth rotted teeth seething at your post. kek.

x rays

dude, I broke a tooth and got implant
they did 4 tomography scans during the procedure.
four. JUst for uniformed, tomography is like 500 x rays, lol
I didn't ask for this. But I also don't think it was that harmful, given it's just a jaw scans, not on organs

he fell for the every six months scam

Once your wisdom teeth come in your teeth stop moving. You pretty much only have to go to the dentist whenever you have a problem at that point. I've been to the dentist three times in the last 14 years.

yes every 6 months as recommended by dental insurance is a scam. dental insurance plans are notoriously generous and actually are designed to operate at a net loss.

ok, I googled it and it's 10-100x more than single x-ray
but also it's supposedly just a few times more than a flight from NY to London. Although one could argue that radiation on a flight from NY to Lodon is spread over the whole body and many ours

I no shit am nervous about it. I’m literally hated everywhere I go long before I get there. There’s nothing I can do to stop it from happening.

You seriously can't just book a dental cleaning on its own? The only time I ever get x-rays done is if I have a checkup. Guessing you are a retarded hick considering you managed to escalate things to them threatening to call the police. Kys nigga

Read the package. It reduces sensitivity by filling microtubules aka rebuilding your teeth. I still can't find any good SEM images of micro tubules and how they interact with caries.

Unless you're OP. Oops, guess the dentist lost some money. Keep coping the medical field is fucked and useless.

Because some asshole will go to the dentist, decline x-rays and sue when the dentist misses an obvious finding and the patient condition gets worse. People are total garbage and see medical services as some potential payday if any little thing goes wrong, so now you get defensive medicine with a bunch of unneeded stuff so you can't sue. Good luck winning any case where the doc or dentist used the standard of care. They are pretty much immune at that point, which is why the appointments go the way they do.

I got a cleaning at one place, they wanted to wait 2 months to book a drilling, went to another office

No we can't just drill it you need a full cleaning and inspection even though you did it literally 7 days ago

Fuck all doctors and dentists.

I am just going to say one thing. Do not give business to Indians or others. Unless they are the only options and there are no alternatives; review the staff on their website prior to attending. If they are Jeeted, Nogged, Trooned or Vagmaxxed - don't bother.

Sounds like a symptom of unfettered capitalism in healthcare

They can visually check for cavities.

The dentist can't visually detect bone loss and most other jaw abnormalities. The form they needed you to sign was to protect the dentist from litigious jews.
You expect someone to put himself in harms way to indulge your fear of getting 3 or 4 days' worth of background radiation in 15 seconds. His office staff was right to kick you out.
The insurance company probably gave him a pat on the head and a thank-you letter for engaging in "best practices".

this post goes very hard

yeah, this shit is infuriating. i remember years ago i called dentists and i said i just wanted to pay them to use their ultrasonic scalar to remove the plaque build-up on my teeth. they all refused. they insisted they had to give me x-rays and drown me in fluoride and shit if i wanted the only part of the dental visit that's worth doing. fuck this gay country.

I am a dental student and I could be eqqual to an oral hygienist should I be unlucky enough to die soon or have bad stuff happen. Regardless,I can clean your plaque because I know morphology,I can also fix some cavities in your mouth or will be able to in a year

who cares. he doesn't want it. you sound like a fag telling people to just get the vax. it's OP's prerogative if he wants an x-ray or not. quit enabling this medical extortion shit.

They can't really guess what is going on there without x rays

So dentists were just guessing for the entire field of dentistry before x ray salesmen made them normalized? Got it.

Correct. Same with optometrists. The optometrists' job can be fully automated at this point, but they're still pretending they do something. I suspect these are the people that couldn't make it through the courses to become ophthalmologists.

Absofuckinglutely yes. It's why your great grandpa has to put dentures in to eat. Dentists used to treat most problems after they became agonizing conditions, and pulled the rotten teeth out with pliers.

no,they are trying to fix much more amenable things. Ophtalmologists I guess focus more on actual eye disease. There is very in depth studying of gene therapies,microsurgical lasik therapy and so on and so forth. Its unbelievably complicated ,genetics,I dont even want to imagine how hard knowing stuff pertaining to the central nervous system and endocrinology is. Do not underestimate them,you will need them by 60-70-80 especially since we'll have longer lifespans. Our generation (z) will live on average to 78-80.

in the wild west. they also invented those pieces of iron connected to the iron clams of the prosthesis which are put in the occlusal lake to fix it better,for mobile dentures

How can I trick the dentist to prescribe me Amoxicillin?

be me

no dental insurance, as work offers shit

long story short- $11k for 2 implants

go to a bud's dentist in Costa Rica

$2,600 with cleaning, whitening (took 2 trips down). Did a fucking job!

used leftover dough to drink, fish and fuck

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I can’t open my mouth very wide. The children’s size bite block is actually quite painful.

How much do you hate me?

in one of my books it said it was invented in the wild west for people with extended edentation

I also learned people in your country use it as weapons

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First time realizing the American healthcare industry is a grift? Europe does this way better. Doctors there actually care about patients. Here they only care about $$$$

Are you poor or in a very rural area?
I go to a cheap private practice that is soon to shut down when the owner retires. He has a mobile X-ray machine, he just rolls it in and puts it a couple inches from your jaw.

It’s been a LONG time since I’ve been in any medical facility that just has an “x ray room” where they blast everything not covered by the aperture.

I get it if you don’t want X-rays anyways, I think the risk is very small but I understand wanting to avoid small risks you consider unnecessary.

If you are in a city, you are going to a shitty dentist. Try to find a sole proprietorship and ask over the phone if you can get a complete exam without X-rays.

To add why:
Sole proprietorships are like mouth mechanics. They are also more complete humans (they run the whole business).

At a big dentist office, you are just getting college grads who just follow a checklist of how to do their job.

It’s the mentality between “a living” and “a career”. The sole proprietor is making a living, the mcdentist is starting a career. Dude I’ve been going to has been a dentist since school and will be until he retires. The kids at mcdentist are all playing the corporate ladder game or will move around for better opportunities.

They just want to get through the day with an optimized paycheck. Your sole proprietorship is protecting his very livelihood with his work. Completely different relationship with their job.

They did the same thing to me.
Said it was required by law to x-ray every 2 years or something

Also the dentist scratched the shit out of my teeth which resulted in cavities forming there

Molars...what's their fucking problem anyway.

Extreme over regulation and government intervention

DURRR THIS IS CAPITALISM DURRR

Shut up dumb faggot
That is "real" capitalism.

You weren't cut out of medical school so you became a dentist.

Oh nooo. You should sue!

Spend $5000 you don't have

Oy vey he didn't brush his teeth good enough!

Now you pay my legal fees too!

No you’re not understanding, you get left in the tunnel, don’t be retarded everyone in the field calls it a tunnel and I was specifically talking about a PETCT

Reported them to my insurance company.

lmao you are such an effeminate pussy. im sure you insurance company is going to give them a good talking to and not just accept that you are a sperg faggot.

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Why have we normalized dentists x ray frying your brain every dentist check up?

Because you live in a country without public healthcare, so they try to sell you unneeded procedures to extract more money.

And they hire the dumbest wetback fresh over the border to operate the xray machines to go oh wait I didn't get the right angle I need to do it again and again and again

When I had my first xray as an adult I had only 28 teeth and no wisdom teeth, even under gum. The way he said it made me wonder and he said people with European ancestry, pure white, don't have those extra teeth because we evolved past the grazing stage of evolution.

Same thing happens in any field even remotely adjacent to medicine. Even after telling them over and over again that I don't consent and refuse: God damn optometrist still trying to give me a contact fitting fee, walk-in clinic fighting with me about a random battery of tests they want to charge for that have nothing to do with why I'm there, dentist trying to bill me for nitrous even though I specifically ask them not to use it, doctors writing prescriptions that can only be filled at one particular pharmacy, doctors only giving you new expensive drugs instead of old reliable cheap drugs... On and on and on with this shit.

The truth is that these places are harm central. This is not where you go to have bad things fixed this is where you go to have them happen. Hospitals in particular are extremely dangerous places. You should avoid them if at all possible. There is a reason why doctors used to go to a person's house instead of collecting all the sick people into a central location.

Furthermore, the medical education system at this point is almost entirely nepotistic. There are almost no doctors anywhere that got there by merit, grades, exceptional academic performance.

Back in the '80s we had all of these Teflon coated pans. Even back then Teflon was known to be toxic and could make you literally retarded and give your children birth defects. But the industry justified including it on cooking surfaces by saying that it should never get more than 300° "under normal use" the amount you consume is perfectly safe. And the real world these pans often would get much hotter than that and become toxic. The LIE is that people are always using it exactly as intended so the damage is minimal.

Dental cleaning is the same way. The LIE is that under normal proper and professional cleaning, the process does not damage the enamel. However, in reality you have an army of DEI hires that were drunk on Hennessy during their entire 2 weeks of dental assistant school. They take those picks and scrape the enamel off your fucking teeth like they hate you, because they do hate you. The dentist doesn't care because the more fucked up your teeth are the more likely you are to come back to him or his buddies. All dentists and dental assistants despise their patients. Never forget that.

go to another dentist, it's that simple

Watch this video if you want to get pissed off. Doctors presricbing $3,000 variants of $3 medication because they added 2mg of something else. These companies need their assets seized and directors imprisoned.
youtube.com/watch?v=2t9vcfke8s4

What if your wrong and the research isn’t correct similar to the Covid vaccines? Then what? Sorry I sold people on X-rays? Fuck you faggot.

He's retarded.

That’s not true at all lmao. Europeans do have a knot on their molars and wisdom teeth. They also tend to have smaller teeth than other races.

anti-dentist psyop on Anon Babble

of course jews would love to turn right-wingers into missing teeth junkies like homeless people, that would make it way easier to discredit the entire movement when you all look like a hobo

I wanted a small cyst removed, I had to talk to 5 different doctors in 3 different states before I finally found one that would do it without anesthesia.
I don't have any friends. I don't have any family. I explained this to the doctors like seventeen times each, and all four of them scheduled me for surgery with anesthesia, and I had to cancel. They just want to upcharge services on any white person in order to subsidize care for niggers who get everything for free.
I did finally get the surgery. It took one local numbing shot, and three minutes. The "need" for full anesthesia is just bull shit.

Wtf lol. I get my teeth cleaned every 6 months and tell them I'm not gonna pay for x-rays, they say it's fine and just clean them. I get an x-ray once every 2 years, but haven't had a cavity in 13 years now, so I think I'm just gonna stop doing that shit too

Why have we normalized dentists x ray frying your brain every dentist check up? It can cause cancer.

oy goyim you need radiation for your "perfect health".

sign up for dental appointment with dentist I've gone to for years

i think you should do a heart check now, dentistry is very responsible for cardiac valve problems due to bacteria leaking into blood stream by tooth manipulations.

i just brush once a week with baking soda and my tooth are stronger than ever.
i am at my 40s, i didn´t go to a dentist in the last 18 years, that was when they scamed me,by removing my perfect wisdom tooth that didn´t had carie but was with gingivitis.

Yup I've worked at the university hospital for 20 years, please trust me when I say avoid the hospital if at all possible.
Based. I had a similar experience when I had to remove my compacted wisdom teeth. I did not want anesthesia or even gas. They kept telling me I was crazy. Finally found somebody and it was no problem at all. Yes it was an unpleasant experience but ultimately not a big deal, damn people are such pussies these days.