Trump wants an F-35 with two engines called the F-55: x.com
Trump wants an F-35 with two engines called the F-55:
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f-15
f-22
Almost all fighter jets had two engines for redundancy. Many pilots have flown home on a single engine. FOD is real. A single engine on an aircraft so expensive seems risky
f-18 too
Ok, retard, keep me posted it's important
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Why do you use a memeflag?
Why do you post this low effort shit?
an F-35 with two engines called the F-55
Do you one better, unless you just want to give money to your cronies.
Almost all fighter jets had two engines for redundancy.
That's kind of a bonus, it was really for speed. Best engines when the planes were designed were weak enough to need two.
We'are doenng an uepgwade, a simplele uepgwade, but we'are also doenng an f-55. Ie'm goenng to call it an f-55, and taat's goenng to buh a substantial uepgwade, but it's goenng to buh also witht two engineis becausae teh f 35 hus a singlele enginae. Ie don't likae singlele engineis.
Wouldn't F 70 make more sense?
Doesn't make sense at all. The F-35 was purpose built for rapid deployment against modern enemies that could destroy your runways or for countries with limited naval air platforms. Their purpose was never close air support. In CAS, two engines on a jet might be useful, but helicopters would be more useful.
The F-35 was purpose built for rapid deployment against modern enemies that could destroy your runways or for countries with limited naval air platforms
That's every modern fighter jet, including the F-18 and f-22. None of them have 20mm cannons on them anymore because they're useless. One: the jet flies faster than the bullet; second is missiles have range. You want your target dead before they can spot you. The F-35 program has been a complete disaster. It's over $1,000,000,000 budget and they keep asking Congress for money to make it usable. They also need to chill their fuel while sitting idle on the ground. It has many limitations at the moment they're trying to fix
And maneuverability
You're such a retard. You've no idea about anything you're talking about. Why don't you kill yourself?
That's every modern fighter jet, including the F-18 and f-22. None of them have 20mm cannons on them anymore because they're useless. One: the jet flies faster than the bullet; second is missiles have range.
1955 called, it wants its fighter design philosophy back. Which didn't work in practice because pilots needed visual confirmation of targets, isntead of launching radar missiles from 40 miles.
F-22 and F-35 have guns.
i don't like single engines
kek
if there were ever a time to liken him to hitler, this is about the only thing, interfering with weapons development as if he's an expert
F-22 and F-35 have guns
They have to be mounted in the Bombay storage. They don't use them. What would a fighter jet need cannons for today?
also LOL at the boeing bitchberg, look how assmad he is
Which didn't work in practice because pilots needed visual confirmation of targets, isntead of launching radar missiles from 40 miles.
Those days are long over. Radar and missiles is what wins. IFF is used to distinguish friend from foe.
What would a fighter jet need cannons for today?
Shooting down planes, esp if your target is a stealth aircraft with chaff and flares.
And they wouldn't put them on if they didn't think they were useful, come the fuck on.
But back to OP. If you look at Vietnam, the F4s dual engines, in terms of redundancy, where only meaningful when used for CAS. I don't see how to engines would improve the F35s purpose.
you mad. btw, I'm never leaving.
He can't basic math by the looks of it
Not surprising
Also, 1pbtid. No input.
F-22 and F-35 have guns.
yea but our pilots are bitches who are extremely risk-averse
our whole military seems to be
And they wouldn't put them on if they didn't think they were useful, come the fuck on.
It's an accessory. They have to mount it in the Bombay storage area. No jet fighter is shooting down another jet with cannons today. The jets fly faster than bullets, moron. This isn't WW2 anymore
I bet the retard believes one can just strap a second engine to a fighting jet. Almost as he knows absolutely nothing about them.
Fucking kek
It's going to be trillions to design that shit for absolutely nothing.
It's an accessory. They have to mount it in the Bombay storage area. No jet fighter is shooting down another jet with cannons today. The jets fly faster than bullets, moron.
They can, moron, but they aren't in a fucking dogfight, and you can't argue around them being on the aircraft, like you know better than the designers and operators. Go back to middle school.
Reagan was crazy with fantasy weapons too. But he ended up a as a slobbering idiot who couldn't even remember who he was by time he left office.
One of the biggest, most embarrassing boondoggles in the history of the US armed forces? Watch me out-boondoggle that by 57%.
jets can shoot down other jets with bullets today
You're an idiot. You don't understand that the jet flies faster than the bullet. For some reason you can't comprehend this
You're an idiot. You don't understand that the jet flies faster than the bullet. For some reason you can't comprehend this
Why did they put the gun on it then?
You cant even deploy aircrafts in modern conflicts.
Oh, do you think they can't *hit* other planes? Jets are fucking slower than they were in the 70s for the most part, and you aren't always chasing them, behind them, at top speed. In a dogfight you could both be going 150mph.
For some reason you can't comprehend this
You cant comprehend than when you are sitting in a car you're travelling the same speed as a car.
He's retarded.
this was the lie retards like u bought. the actual goal was an economics one: cut out the expensive high quality parts so the governments only other option is to mass buy cheap parts with the bare minimum nice things. just like u see with modern cars. it's all just gimmicks with no real meat or muscle. Instead they will claim they squeezed maximum performance out of pea shooter and sell it to u like it's a real engine/jet. Instead they could not make as much profit and give u real jets/engines u deserve. That's trumps point.
Lobbying maybe? More money. I can tell you with 100% certainty they don't use them and will never use them in combat. Fuck, even the F-22 Biden sent to shoot down that Chinese weather balloon used a missile.
Would jets still dogfight today? I thought once they were weapons empty they'd just return to base. I assume the bullets are the same reason for bayonet lugs on modern rifles.
If you deploy planes on enemy territory you will have to dogfight.
the jets fly faster than bullets
Not officially, the 20mm Vulcan cannon has a muzzle velocity of 3400fps which is around 2300 mph which would be above the rated top speed of any of our aircraft and would be very fast for any jet and well above the speed at which you could even use missiles. Really once above 1200 mph using any weapons system gets really sketchy and above 1800mph its suicidal. Jets only have that top speed for intercept or running away.
He's retarded.
Oh, I know that.
Captcha: ANGST
Called relative speed... the bullets are already traveling at the speed of the jet.
lol no
The enemy is seen on radar and is shot down by a missile before they even know what happened
Why not F-70 for the two engine configuration?
Kek he really is losing his mind isn't he?
two engines look cooler than one, let's spend a trillion dollars completely remaking this already obscenely expensive plane
Yes but they slow down immensely once they hit the atmosphere, there are records of f4 phantom jets shooting themselves down by hitting their own bullets in a dive back in the 70s so it can happen but in those cases they had gun pods and I'm not sure what ammo they used.
The F35 isn't the only plane in the US's arsenal.
Do you? Isn't the goal to always shoot from beyond visual range? And if you're dog fighting, it sounds like you must have fucked up somewhere.
imagine he's on a train traveling 100mph and he throw a bottle slow to his friends... that nigger thinks because the bottle is slower than the train it will somehow hit him in the head.
the speed of the bullet will be the speed of (firing jet + bullet speed)*resistance forces
wdym, it's their airspace hahahaha.
basically people that say "dogfighting" isnt a thing anymore dont think they use the plane on enemy territory.
How far and fast do those bullets travel after they're fired, idiot? You think it's constant?
It's called redundancy anon, that's why most fighters have two engines. It doesn't add twice the speed as there are diminishing returns, its mostly so you can still survive having an engine knocked out. Look at the A-10, twin engines but only goes 500mph.
Fast enough and far enough you wont outrun them and shoot yourself back.
you have one of the best military in the world...
you also have some of the best military documentation ever.
...depends on altitude. you wont be shooting yourself at 10000 feet.
You're a boomer who's stuck on WW2 technology. That bullet is going to slow down and drop the second it's fired. A missile is constant and can follow it's target and its range is much greater than any bullet will ever have
You are retarded, the latest missiles have ranges pushing 500km, a gun for shooting at aircraft is pointless. The pakis shot down those rafales at over 100km.
this is trump's idea
you might be stupider than you think he is, if you think he's up there improvising military projects
meh I would agree for carrier based planes; but the f16 is one hell of a platform for dirt cheap.
Then a plane is pointless too, just use SAMs.
If you shoot from 40km away you wont hit shit retard, not with a plane missile ?
Even state of the art ground to air systems wont hit if the pilot is guided by own control tower.
But a SAM is more static than a plane. And they depend mostly on ground radar for initial detection and targeting. And they're mostly defensive. An airplane is a mobile SAM with an airborne radar. It's not static and therefore harder to destroy.
Newer bvr missiles can be fired at pretty high speeds, they don't say exactly obviously but well past mach 2.
nope because the F35 is really only a F15 so the math checks out calling it F55
Aha.
This is a SU-34 evading 3 Patriots from attacking simultaneously from 3 different positions.
Aai wud liek dis pleen too haf too endgins
"Two engines? But it only needs one sir, surely?"
Det mei bie zooo, aai jusd liek too endgins okey
"But perhaps you may find 1 engine more to your liking"
NOH. Iv idz too aai sei, too aai wand
"Maybe we can reach a compromise, perhaps something like 1,5 engine, maybe 1 and two thirds"
BUD AAI DOND WAND A FURT ENDGIN, AAI WAND TOO, TOO ENDGINS BLEKEDDER, TOO
"1,9?"
TOOOOOOOOOO
Then a plane is pointless too, just use SAMs.
Aircraft have a massive mobility advantage in both the defensive and offensive sense, it is much easier to avoid SAMs and even to evade them once fired. Aircraft will always be the superior missile platform, although as the ranges of missiles start to become absurd we are seeing air combat turn into the creation of huge no-fly zones where neither belligerent can deploy anything and they just lob missiles and glide bombs from as far away as possible.
Based esoteric joy plane
F35 come in Stealth variants or by fine tuning. Aren't two engines going to leave bigger signatures by changing the shape and mass? Perhaps it makes it heavier, potentially carrying bigger payloads?
Hence a different F model number. Curiously?
I don't like one engine
Kek
Actually it would be FF-70.
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it is much easier to avoid SAMs and even to evade them once fired
Your 1 engine f-35 wouldnt evade 3 patriots like this SU-34 (ground attack jet) with a load on him.
If ground to air systems like SAMS cant hit your shitty jet missiles dont have a chance.
Inbred pakis with cheap chinkshit just showed guns are pointless
Not every engagement takes place at maximum range, and certainly not at max speed.
The afterburner drinks too much fuel for that.
Maximum cruise is always subsonic and they'll fly at 400kts indicated to and from the area of operation as part of doctrine.
As for the cannon, the F-4 Phantom was a design from the 1960s which didn't come with cannons whatsoever.
The leading theory was that missiles made guns obsolete.
That assumed that the missiles were always reliable, which over the hot humid jungles of Vietnam, they literally never were. Especially Sparrows enjoyed a proclivity for getting lost.
Combat performance of the Phantom was so appalling and so dangerous, that engineers rushed to create underslung cannon pods, so that pilots had something to fight with against the Migs.
Later versions had the cannon built in, and every single American fighter jet has had onboard guns ever since.
Yes it can take room away from other ordnance. The planes were designed so that doesn't happen.
"But nobody uses guns anymore"
That doesn't matter. What matters is that it is inevitable that you will have to use guns one day, when you're out of missiles.
And pilots are all still training in dogfighting, because despite how you feel, dogfights do still happen, and they happen at subsonic speeds when they do, meaning bullets will track just fine.
He wants one with a really really large nose cone and a canopy that looks like a tiny hat
he talked with pilots, it's not his own opinion.
going to scrap the magic coating too almost sounds like the Zimmerit problem we had in ww2 when every tank got this magic coating which was absolutely useless and stalled the production for a few thousand more tanks
yea, you can always not load the gun... ammo is heavier than the gun.
Somehow mutts manage to praise the A-10 warhog (air to ground) and call guns obsolete and the same time.
Regardless, it's still funny.
Enemy action also has taken out many an engine and wing. Having a spare is ALWAYS a good idea. But if we are going for a second engine let’s throw out all the B and C variants as well (make them the F-56, F-57) each airframe designed and optimized for its role.
As has been shown by the Ukraine war (were we have seen enemy fighter jets WVR of each other several dozen times) so long as both sides keep a stock of long range air defense missiles (be they land, sea or air launched) the majority of combat missions will occur from treetop level were dogfights 100% can happen. Stealth is a meme, but radar horizon abuse still works perfectly.
f4 phantom jets shooting themselves down by hitting their own bullets in a dive
Source or it didn’t happen
It was an F-11 not an F-4 but it is true. planeandpilotmag.com
Missiles have a low Pk against targets actively taking countermeasures, and the number that can be carried is limited, even more so if you want to stay stealthy. Having something left in the tank is a good measure that doesn’t really cost much in terms of performance. Just like a second engine.
Never heard of JATO? Because we totally do exactly that…..
The A-10 is praised by the army, because it’s exactly what you want from CAS, low, slow, lots and lots of ordinance, dropped or shot with precision because the plane is right there (rather than JDAMs chucked from 40 nmis) ironically these very reason are PRECISELY why the air force peeps hate it.
That divide is just Army vs Air Force
oh yea, specially the way he talks man; it's fucking hilarious. Trump is a great man, i want one in Europe.
...some retards take the bantz on what trump says literally.
Yuge man, great man... very strong, attractive, none like him (talking about Trump).
55
It's the Q thing
He's done it again
And yet every day is the same
way ahead of you, chuds
F-17.5
zero engines
The budget option.
That proves the opposite lol, those missiles were all fired from a single position, and while the launcher's exact location was unknown until it fired the approximate range of enemy air defense is known due to comditions on the ground (hence the use of the glide bombs from an estimated safe range).
The SAM launcher cannot pursue the target, it cannot have variable altitudes or angles of attack.
We need many leaders with the values of Trump but I think he is somewhat unique, certainly once in a lifetime. I always enjoy the way he talks so clearly and to the point, speaks his mind, and has a laugh about stuff at the same time.
Also given the prevalence of the doritto drones and other suicide drones of that type that are small, cheap, and slow:
The very best weapon to engage these bogies is a cannon.
Cheap, efficient, reliable, simple enough even reserve forces can use them super effectively.
Frankly it’s an argument for a high low mix:
High tier air superiority craft in moderate numbers
Low tier mass produced almost biplane level of plane go easy engagement of light aerial threats and CAS since the jets aren’t getting any closer then these guys would.
Are we copying China yet?
shouldnt it be the f70 id ite twice the engines
So... An f22?
tracked by optical cameras
Pointless shit.
Just launch a shit ton of starshield satellites to act as missile defense and build ballistic missiles
Guns being obselete for attacking aircraft has nothing to do with using them for attacking ground targets. Also the A-10 is ancient and only still in service because the US hasn't had to contend with any kind of modern air defenses or opposing air forces. They want to retire it ASAP.
Yeah…….. classic overconfidence that has gotten pilots shot down.
A) try as we might we’ve yet to figure a way to find all the SAMs whose radars aren’t actively on
B) further there are plenty of long wave radars that fighter jets simply CANNOT detect
C) Serbia showed the fire a missile to the vicinity of an aircraft and let the active seeker do the rest is indeed a viable counter to stealth and all planes in fact
D) this means that SAMs can and DO come from every direction with and WITHOUT warning
Therefore losses are inevitable and the magnitude is what we should be striving to reduce. And we do that NOT by underestimating our enemy and making a bunch of rash assumptions about how the engagements are going to go down, because the enemy gets a say in our plans. See our shitty performance against Yemen.
The AIR FORCE wants to retire it.
The ARMY wants to keep it.
The Su-22, the Soviet equivalent has proven to be an absolute workhorse for both sides in the Ukraine war. Turns out no fancy SAM or air defense truly solves the radar horizon problem. So low slow, heavily armed and armored, and extremely survivable is a true advantage in an actual war.
Plus it now will take over air defense duties given the prevalence of small cheap suicide drones
ok retard, the point is that air to air missiles are the greater threat, not that SAMs are not dangerous.
Two Scoops
Two Terms
Two Engines
Based
Thank you.
that's like saying an aggressive fighter shouldn't learn to defend.
not my plane, do whatever you want
the US hasn't had to contend with any kind of modern air defenses or opposing air forces.
Exactly like the F-35 and whatever you come up with next.
we should use the F-35 in this offensive mission
uhm, yea but it's in enemy territory and our radar is about 15% angle and they might have hidden airports to launch their dogfighter jets and approach from odd positions and we dont have a close gun
yea, you're right
yea, we tried
yea
Enjoy getting raped by surprised raped by RU airforce
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No they aren’t you tard. SAMs are cheap and plentiful for our enemies. Even YEMEN has no trouble keeping a robust supply of them! Iran, Russia, North Korea, China even more so. Our enemies air forces (save china) are not comparatively numerous, and the primary threat to AMERICAN pilots is NOT the USAF. It’s the Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Iranian, even Yemenese SAM operators.
NATO took the air defense path of:
put the air defense missiles IN the air on planes
Whereas the other side took the path of:
hide the air defense missiles in caves and bring them out to random places at random times to ambush enemy planes
Thus NATO pilots need to contend with the ENEMIES air defense strategy NOT our own.
that's like saying an aggressive fighter shouldn't learn to defend.
lmao wut
You are just babbling now.
Go back and read the beginning of the conversation instead of inventing an entirely new one you dumb nigger.
Yea, when it comes to fightning it's about being there at the time of the fight... doesnt matter if your buddies will fuck some shit up in 5 minutes. you're gonna get your ass kicked then ahve to listen to your buddies "man, if i was here this shit woulda went then differently"
Quick, launch a missile at it
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Let’s look at Panama’s fighter je
Trump really betting hard to win the Retard Olympics this year
the US hasn't had to contend with any kind of modern air defenses or opposing air forces
Yemens air defenses are more than sufficient to stop the F-35 from operating over targets and force them to rely on standoff glide munitions. YEMEN.
Against Syria an old S-300 tagged an F-35I.
Against Iran, F-35Is turned back and aborted the missions because they couldn’t actually deal with Irans air defense net.
The enemy has figured out how to mitigate stealth, and now there is frankly ZERO rational reason behind the F-35. More cheap 4th gen’s would be the superior option.
What little f-35 gonna do he only has 4 missiles and no gunz.
I want him to rename it to the A55 with two engines in the badonkadonk
Can they install four M61 vulcans too? Even if missiles are the only real game in town, they're cooler.
yea, i dont get it; just put the gun installation in and if you dont need it just dont load the ammo in saving weight.
2? How about 9 FAGGOT?
Oh, so the beginning of the conversation excuses your absolutely FALSE and RETARDED assertions???? Seriously? Claims can be judged on their own merit and frankly you are so retarded you think that somehow context is going to change your objectively false statements to true ones.
It’s clear you lost the argument when you have to resort to false arguments to justify your position.
How can anyone be this sincerely stupid?
braindead nigger starts seething uncontrollably because he jumped into the middle of something he didn't understand
many such cases
Based... AND AN ONLY GUNZ variant
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Look at that video and think what you're saying, you nigger, the russian pilot completely mogged you AND EVEN if you wanted to engage him at that distance you couldnt because no gunz. and missiles need an arming distance; not to mention the russian pilot knew you didnt have a gun so he was just fucking with you.... HAHAHAHHAHAHA
9 engines
'Mericah is back, BABY!!
you don't even know what you are trying to say anymore, you are just mindlessly seething
The enemy has figured out how to mitigate stealth
Yeah, it's called "getting lucky." F-35 is incredibly hardened against head-on detection. It's designed to be directional stealth: near-zero visibility indistinguishable from noise from the front 180 degree cone and with much less hardening on the rear 180 degrees. F-35 isn't designed to be entirely stealthy like the F-22 because... well, honestly, because congress panicked at the development budget and unit cost. F-35 is now designed to be incredibly hardened against targets in its line of travel... because its first missions in any air campaign will be progressive layers of SEAD. If you miss a battery and it paints you from behind, you're painted. It's just part of the game and how we got it down to mass-producible costs.
retarded nigger lies
gets called out
resorts to ad hominems
Face it you lost the argument BADLY when you decided to make false arguments. Better luck next time.
lies
lmao you clearly have some kind of mental illness
Yea, you're little armchair mind is broken
One more thing, a lot of the missions for the airforce are done at peace, like escorting giving instruction etc... it's about making yourself known. you cant even do that in an f-35 because it's not a threat. it's supposed to be a multipurpose.
and still cant accept guns r good. r u even american ?
Anyway dont care, dont even answer it's rhetorical.
Can F-35s be hardened against smashing into the ground and sea?
Do you even have an Air Force? Oh yeah, nope. So dont speak on matters not even your country has resources to sustain.
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Nope!
Is this what Anon Babble is like? Just mindless seething and schizophrenic non-sequiturs?
Anon Babble is one board Anon Babble the rest are not needed.
Lmao, its stealth profile is in ALL as pecks worse than the F-117. Which was tagged TWICE by an ancient S-150. Further the F-35I has ALREADY been tagged by an old S-300. The F-35 does NOT operate over Yemen. It aborted the strike package against Iran because they got targeted.
As to mass production:
just how many SAMs do you think are produced yearly?
Seriously compare that astronomical number with the tiny number of stealth planes of ALL makes and models produced yearly. Stealth doesn’t scale and the mitigation works.
The actual pilots whose lives are at stake respect the enemies air defense nets and do NOT view them as just “getting lucky”, why? Because their lives are at stake while your fat ass is sitting in a chair far from the enemies SAMs.
How about FFS-70?
You. Are. A. Retard.
lies
gets called out on false statements
tries to redirect to ad hominems
Seriously you lost. And this is just making it way more obvious to anyone reading the thread. ATA has been proven to be a meme in Ukraine, Yemen, Syria, and Iran. So long as the enemy has competent SAMs the only option is to abuse the radar horizon.
nah, Anon Babble bans them then they come here to shit the place up with their 70 iq russia shilling
Its not two planes together, its a second engine, which is about 30% of the plane. Which is 35+30%=50
The math checks out.
hey iron man I made my own iron man suit I call him IRONER MAN
Adding an entire engine to a design is far from simple.
its stealth profile is in ALL as pecks worse than the F-117. Which was tagged TWICE by an ancient S-150. Further the F-35I has ALREADY been tagged by an old S-300.
Did you consciously decide to ignore the part where I explained exactly how F-35 could get detected by basically any radar system in the last fifty years, or was it a kinda subconscious aversion to any logic which is harmful to your hateboner?
Yea, lol.
it;s gonna be another 1.000.000.000.000
Their purpose was never close air support.
Jesus you're a moron or a liar.
They literally planned to retire the A-10 and replace it with the CAS variant of the F35.
The whole sales pitch was a one size fits all jet fight/bomber/strike jet
Are F-35s jeet proof?
Nope
except what actually happened was israel took a shit all over syria and iran's s400's couldn't do anything to stop them so russia withdrew them to save itself embarrassment
lies! conspiracies!
Take your meds and go back to Anon Babble or Anon Babble.
nigger, you're the one browsing /k and /x i dont even know those boards are.
Two scoops
Two terms
Two engines
the f-22 and f-35 have never been used in air-to-air combat afaik
completely useless to continue developing these jets when it just doesn't happen anymore and drones are much cheaper
Those comments are gold
Lol did he actually say that?
Seeing a jet fly-by would be so awesome
This is just a psychicpebbles bit at this point.
change the defective engine
call it "upgrade" so people can't say you were selling defective planes
And then people wonder why nobody takes mutt seriously
TRUMP IS IMMEASURABLY BASED
Wouldn't a double F-35 be an F-70? Trump can't math.
Because you're not bolting two whole planes together. Trump spent a month in his study performing calculations and decided that the engine is F-20 out of F-35. Therefore, adding another engine is just adding another F-20, so you get F-55.
Speeds add up faggot
maybe I'm dumb but couldn't you just detect aircrafts with a network of high resolution cameras and AI pattern recognition combined with radar
Trump cant add
how about FT-35
(T for Twin)
I hate how all you idiots keep giving this narcissist attention.
F-55
5:5?
You cant comprehend than when you are sitting in a car you're travelling the same speed as a car.
But the drag kills the bullets
i lost my meme and "racist green frog" folder after reinstalling OS.
There were some good edits especially with the drone basedjak getting splashed in the face by jet fuel.
Are we returning to thrust vectoring?
Adding a second engine to a multi-role airframe is hardly a simple upgrade. Lol. What a fucking retard. How can you be president but not understand all the parts involved in something as massive as designing, testing, and mass-producing a fighter plane. Lol. Simple upgrade my ass. More like an entirely new plane which sounds to me like another trillion dollar grift to develop a new vehicle even though we'd just spend trillions of dollars on f-35 which everyone knew would be garbage from the start before it was even ready for mass production because TOO MANY ROLES & FUNCTIONS add NOT ENOUGH ENGINES.
It's all just a scam and grift. They're all criminals. In the coming new world there will be no place for these criminals in civilization.
If you’re not risk averse you end up like India and lose half your Air Force in a single day. This is why we need cheaper mass produced planes. The A-10 needs to be unretired to fill that gap.
The F/A/B naming system is completely outmoded and should be done away with. The last 3 F variations are strike and multi purpose aircraft and not true fighters dedicated to air-to-air superiority. Trump should take this opportunity the name the new aircraft the V-25. For variable.
Plus you don't really get a lot of bullets. Under 2 seconds of burst in a F-16 loadout. You need to have a sitting duck.
he talks like a retard
Two engines is suck, f22 have two engines and suck, f117 suck to with two engines, they need make 5 engines version of f35 and call it f55, it will be epic! And put rocket booster on it too. Bit one, from Elon Musk.
Possibly the best idea by a five year old I've heard this month.
These planes will engage their targets from hundreds of kilometers away. The only reason you'd choose two engines these days is if you cannot achieve the thrust required to lift its fat ass off the ground. And there's also the cost/maintenance of having two engines instead of one now.
This is why Trump is the greatest president of all times.
My God, it's full of memes!!!
Big
of course, miss some o too but any one make guess
The A-10 is not an air superiority fighter.
I'm looking forward to our 4 engine model. Call it F-88. It won't be a fighter though, more like a Millenium Falcon.
SU-57 has twin engines and it does not suck.
No, the numbers include various failed projects that never release, he's just estimating it'll take a few versions to reach.
The f35 is nearly 20 years old. Internally they're probably at f48 by now
back in 99 I did a contract job at P&W
f-22s plastered all over the walls there
top speed 2400mph on the pics & plaques
official top speed now, 1800 some shit lol
ending the f22 program was just more gutting the USA type bullshit and grease to the vendors for the f35
explained away as
we want one to do it all
lost technology i'm afraid
Behold, I give you the
F70
This is like that retard dictator movie where the dictator says "why is the rocket rounded? I dont like that, make it pointy, pointy is scary" absolutely retarded, two engines wont necessary make it faster and itll make it weigh more making it less manuverable, Trump is such a fucking moron.
It suck. It need more. And big rocket booster.
You what people don't realize is that the biggest winner of the India and Pakistan conflict was not the J10C, Pakistan, or even the PL-15 but it China's philosophy on how the next war will be fought. They shot down Rafales when they were extremely far and low as they were approaching their airport after complete their strike package.
Basically it means that BVR is the way and China has been building a entire military on long range missiles.
These short runwya tack offs are just vulnerable regardless. Which the F-35 was kinda meant to do. It'll still get sniped out the air.
Now we talking, can they stack three more?!
Those nacelles look like lil phimotic hoodie dicks
The f35 was also designed for BVR. The whole reason stealth tech exists so you can get in range to fire your Missile before the enemy can lock on to you. Air warfare doctrine of both the East and West has literally been focussed on BVR ever since the late 50s. The F4 and MIG 21 didn't even have guns originally
if you're stupid you end up like india
if you're not a bitch, you end up racking aerial kills like the pakis
the a-10 is feel good trash that ended up with the highest friendly fire tally per sortie, because guess what dumb fuck, it's not being used against russian aaa in europe like it was designed for
it goes brrrrttt over some dirt, maybe drops some bombs and kills half of the squad it was supposed to support
how are people still this retardpilled on the a10?
Designing a plane for the aesthetics and not the function
That will be 1 trillion dollars please. This man is a fucking retard.
Why would it be double? The entire PLANE design is the designation F-35, not the engines. If it was F-70, it would be two planes tapped together. They're just adding another engine.
Not surprising, the biggest claim to fame for you panama monkeys is something the US built for you. No shit you can't reason.
AND THEY SHOULD BE UNMANNED
AND FIRE LASERS TOO
THEY CAN GO INTO SPACE
THE SUN RECHARGES THEM
these are all good ideas in addition to RAID engine
A-10 isn't a great example but I don't get it either. Things aren't going to stay as they are with these extremely limited engagements forever. Any kind of mass air battle is going to close into close quarters 100% of the time and with the way the american military is built mass air engagements at sea is where we will be strongest. An american plane without a gun on it is like a russian conscript without vodka.
president retard
an F-35
with two engines
Canada will take 300. Cash or credit?
Their purpose was never close air support. In CAS, two engines on a jet might be useful,
They will allow us to have poorly-maintained jets due to understaffing and underfunding patrolling the arctic because they can still limp back to base when one engine goes.
a rocket with more pointy top
One engine is not scary...
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did you not notice my BS claim
Yeah I noticed and I refuted it. The F-35 is NOT “incredibly hardened in its line of travel” in fact just the opposite, it is comparatively SHIT when judged against ANY other stealth aircraft in the US inventory. It sucks. It was SUPPOSED to be a “all aspect” stealth craft, but it cannot do that. And it’s not even as good an attack aircraft as the J-20 in terms of stealth profile in line of travel.
Face it the F-35 is a lemon and absolutely needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch.
Lmao, which is why after the F-35 was tagged Israel only used standoff munitions from popup strikes over Lebanon. And why the flights of F-35s being sent for ACTUAL strikes on Iran turned back.
Also don’t forget their focus on a high low mix of aircraft:
a group of high tech air superiority aircraft designed to hunt the enemy
a group of low tech high number expendable bomb trucks for the actual CAS mission.
Quantity has a quality all its own.
you make a claim
I refute it
you claim that your earlier claims aren’t real because of something you said earlier
get called a liar and a retard
fall into a blubbering mess of insults
Lmao. You are abysmally wrong about everything in this thread. You made claims which are objectively false to try and prop up your argument. And you cannot even understand how you fucked up. Better luck in the next thread.
Got nothing but insults. Prove me wrong. Show me a single modern fight where a competent SAM air defense has NOT forced the fight to be one abusing the radar horizon rather than a standup BVR fight.
The future of warfare is FPV drone pilots hunting each other like snipers. That's like $600 to have a two sided battle, fucking cry about it, MIC shills.
yes the simple task of making a single engine airframe into a dual engine airframe because reasons....
totally doesn't make sense to go clean sheet and this more expensive plane will definitely have a reason to exist
we usually have one really good plane (f-22; formerly f-15) and one less good but still very good and cheaper to produce plane (f-35; formerly f-16). the good plane always has 2 engines and the less good plane always has 1 because it's cheaper.
anyway he should want to call them the f-45 and f-47 come on trump get it together
the coping replies from trumptard
Fucking kek
Numbers are just a feeling.