Christianity touches my heart the story of Christ, the sacrifice, the redemption it’s beautiful. But Islam feels based as hell: clear rules, strong community, actually enforces moral behavior instead of just talking about it. I'm a Euro through and through, but I don’t care what it takes I just want to save my soul and live with real purpose.
Redpill me: which path is the truth?
shitskin religions kys
Whatever speaks to you. If you actually believed in either, you wouldn't be questioning.
Christianity was born under Roman occupation; it's a European religion.
Christians are the Children of God. Muslims are the Servants of God. Make of that what you will.
I'm tempted to become Buddhist and seek the sweet oblivion of Nirvana but I like eating meat too much.
which Jewish fairy tale cope shall I choose
You're pathetic.
If men like Jesus and Paul and Mohammed can make up their own religions then why can't I? Why do I have to follow theirs?
FPBP.
Christ offers redemption.
Islam and Judaism only offer condemnation.
Christ is Lord.
None of them offer anything except pure fantast
They're both golems religions that destroy ethnic religions.
*golem
which path is the truth?
freemasonry.
Christianity is the Truth. Admit it. Everything will not rhyme because it is Falsehood.
But Islam feels based as hell: clear rules, strong community, actually enforces moral behavior instead of just talking about it.
Lmao, muslims are pedophiles and perverts, the only reason they follow that dogshit made up religion is because of the promise of the 72 virgins after death.
The entire Quran was written because Muhmmad was an insecure pervert with social anxiety.
+ PRAY THE ROSARY +
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy Will be done,
on earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.
Hail, Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
Glory be to the Father,
and to the Son,
and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning,
is now,
and ever shall be,
world without end.
Amen.
+ PRAY THE ROSARY +
Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy Will be done,
on earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.
Hail, Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
Glory be to the Father,
and to the Son,
and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning,
is now,
and ever shall be,
world without end.
Amen.
Christianity is certainly more corrupt of the two, but that's because of the Roman empire inserting its nonsense. Though both are true IMO, but Islam is somehow too immature to be taken seriously
Buddhism
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life: No man comes to the Father, but by Him.
Islam is a false prophecy that was made up by Mohammed, a "fallen star" who opened the "bottomless pit", a revelation from the underworld, based on nothing that came before it.
Only people that are lightful in their soul believe in Jesus Christ, those that don't have a darkened soul and can not come to Christ. You need a lightful soul to recognize the light of the world.
slave mutt religion A
slave mutt religion B
kek
You lost, Antichrist trannies
Neither. They're both comfortable lies for the weak and the inferior.
choose
I can't physically choose to believe something, my reason to believe is truth itself. I believe something because it is true.
I am a Muslim because Islam is true, and the Koran teaches that Christians are considered believers in God as well. God made things this way intentionally.
The only reason to believe something is because it is true. Open the Gospel on the left and it will lead you to the Koran on the right, as Jesus teaches you to worship God alone and the Koran confirms the Gospel.
Open the Gospel to Luke chapter 4 verse 8. Then open the Book of Exodus to chapter 20 verse 3. You will see clearly that Jesus and Moses point us to Monotheism. To Islam.
How does the Koran describe Jesus? He is the Word of God with the Holy Spirit who brought the Gospel. Being a Muslim means obeying Jesus, not leaving Jesus.
look into David Wood or Christian Prince's work.
islam is a joke.
The time and location in which you are born mostly determines your religion, not whether you have a "darkened soul" or whatever.
do I pick cuckslim or christcuckery pol?
christcucks and mudslims both fuck kids
Why not do both for a while, or one for half a year, then the other for half a year, and compare, then choose one, or choose both. Who's gonna stop you? I did both pretty much at the same time. Haters gonna hate.
You lost, Antichrist trannies
No man comes to the Father, but by Him.
Can you hear yourself? Waffling like a braindead spastic.
There are only two major non ethnocentric religions in the world - Christianity and Buddhism. Islam is hilariously Arab centric despite what the coping Muslims from non Arab countries will tell you.
I am loyal to the supreme Lord.
I don't care what books say. If there's a god who wants something from me he can find some way to communicate with me directly, I'm never going to believe some book written by humans. There is nothing in nature, not one single thing, that suggests that the Hebrew god is the one who created the world, that is pure fantasy from a myth. If your god cannot exercise any kind of power or influence directly in reality then I'm not interested in him.
I accept post chrisitians and muslims buddhists. Not eastern buddhists.
Christians testify the divine nature of Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God. Islam is crafted to attack Christians it is clearly the work of men and focused on this world. Even the reward of Islam is framed around carnal desire
Moshe, let's be real why did rabbi suck on your baby penis, let's not throw stones from glass houses.
Buddhism as this universal peace religion is corrupted form, fake and gay, you don't know anything.
God made me the unmatched King.
You are brown. You should be in the Middle East. Go back before it's too late.
Christians believe that the secrets of the universe are revealed through a book compilation put together by some guys in a room in Rome in the third century.
I don't care what you worship nigga, I'm merely pointing out that for those who don't worship their ancestral pantheon of gods, there are only two by realistic options.
islam is fake and gay, even a child can see that
Talmudist cope.
''What your right hand possesses''
If you're judging a faith by whether it is "based" or not, you're ngmi.
You're no different than niggers who reject math for being "raycis" if you do that.
daisy ridley is the real moshiach
you posers are all reading books whereas ive seen daisy ridley's miracles with my own eyes
If you want to judge a religion, look at the person who founded it. Who was he? What did he teach and, above all, what did he do?
I can recommend a playlist: youtube.com
Islam is a construct of lies. Pity those who fall for it.
Easily the best post ever made by that flag.
Based.
Christianity is the only religion that pulls to the right.
Islam says you must marry your sister to any shitskin that demands her.
A syncretism into something better
no beard
no long dresses on women
Faked
Still mad moshe?
You bet your sweet ass Christians rape kids, they sure as hell did yours kek
Pretty sure 99% of Buddhists are women attention seeking
The remaining are femboys in Thailand
Anyone living in the UK that has Islam "speak to them" needs to immediately kts. Fuck you.
It's all Jewish faggotry but at least Christianity has some roots there, isn't totally culturally incompatible. Just 50%. Islam is 100% incompatible. Buddhism and old Vedic teachings are unironically more Aryan than any Abrahamic filth, as we started both traditions.
I am a christian not because the bible is better. I am a christian because i believe in God.
I believe this is what is called "crying out in pain as you strike."
Protestant Christianity.
Why not drop the facade and choose Judaism at once? It's a bit more honest and consistent.
Christian or Muslim? Which to choose
Choose none. In these 2000 years, Christianity has failed to resolve the Jewish Question or establish a White utopia. Islam is even worse and muhammad is a jew.
There used to be a lot of White Muslims. Who do you think was responsible for all those inventions they take credit for, and which mysteriously stopped once the inbred brownoids took over?
777
Based and truthpilled
As a former Muslim convert, Islam is false and most of figures of early Islam including muhammad were evil pièces of shit
you have to go back to pakistan, abdullah
Islam is based and masculine, christianity is loose and accepting everything and anyone that's useless now for anything
In Islam you worship God. In christianity you worship a Jew.
You're wasting your time, people who have been fanatically trained say "Jesus! Oh, Jesus!" and ignore any thought on the contrary as the devil himself are a lost case.
Your closest Orthodox Church is 100miles away, but the closest mosque is just around the corner.
Jesus Christ is in the incarnation of the supreme God.
Christianity is a faith of slogans.
Christianity is the Truth.
really nigger? muhammed's mother was a jew and he started off trying to convince jews he was one of their prophets. weird ass cope that makes no sense
People have more of a desire to be right than to be on the truth. I just don't know how christians can justify to themselves the Trinity, which is clear cut polytheism, and the fact that they worship a dude. I had no idea christians thought Jesus was literally god until a few years ago and was shocked to find out. So bizarre
Jesus is literally God. Yes.
Firstly she wasn't, Amina was from the quraysh. And his father Abdullah was from the Banu Hashim both are not Jewish tribes. We have his genealogy so that's a retarded point.
Secondly no Muslim worships prophet Muhammad. He's not worthy of anyone's worship. Why? He was born. He used to eat. He used to sleep. He used to go to the toilet. Anyone that ever went to the toilet isn't worth anyone's worship.
You don't need to repeat the slogans for me, it's half of my job to repeat them to other people.
When each and every day you teach a person that "Jesus! Jesus!" and "if you dare to think any different you're sinning, you'll lose your blessings in this world and you'll be punished in the next people tend to become irrational. The mere thought of not repeating the slogans make them feel genuine and quite deep fear.
Ironic, this pressure is very low if you're part of the clergy.
The Father and the Son are one and the same, just as the Holy Spirit in all of God's children on Earth.
can justify to themselves the Trinity, which is clear cut polytheism
except it's not? it's a real simple concept dude. it's literally One God. periodt.
and the fact that they worship a dude.
they don't...He's called the God-man and not man-God for a reason
I had no idea christians thought Jesus was literally god until a few years ago and was shocked to find out. So bizarre
that's quite literally mainstream christian thought, and has been for quire some time. were you getting your information solely from like jehovah's witnesses or something?
Very bizarre. I can't ever imagine thinking any man was God. I wonder how Jews take it because even they would reel back in shock at this claim.
One of my friends is christian and she used to constantly pray. She always said she was praying to God and I never thought she was praying to Jesus.
Ok so the son is the father and both are the holy spirit?
neither, you brainlet simpleton
grow a pair of balls and stop being emotionally touched by some jewish nationalist faggot napping for 72 hours in a fucking cave
Mohammed was a sand nigger pedophile who chimped out and converted a bunch of subhuman goat fuckers by the sword
One of my friends is christian and she used to constantly pray.
Like the prayer of the Lord the Orthodox use?
Ok so the son is the father and both are the holy spirit?
You'll get a lot of "it just is, if you don't agree, you dump" copes.
I wonder how Jews take it because even they would reel back in shock at this claim.
By making their own knock off version with the Talmud that denigrates the Bible with perverted and subversive verses.
Yes
listen to this, you will decide within 5 minutes
Ok explain the concept to me. How are they one God exactly? You can't be one God if you're obviously 3.
were you getting your information solely from like jehovah's witnesses or something
I've never met a jehovas witness. We only have catholics here and I merely presumed that since they are Abrahamics even my angels didn't presume that they think Jesus is god because the bible says god is not a man. And Jews don't believe that god was or can be a man either.
No she used to get a call from her aunty and she used to pray in some way to god. She's a Catholic. She used to say oh the sacrifice given by my dear yessu. And I used to think what sacrifice bruh. Later I found out what the christian faith entails. Actually shocked me down to my core.
Think of Jesus as God in the flesh, God is the Father in Heaven, and the Holy Spirit is God in the spirit of Man.
You call yourself a Euro through and through who wants purpose, lift your head from your screen and look out towards the steeples in the sky. It wasn't Islam that built your Empire. If you've read the Bible you'll be clearly able to see the real Christians. If you are a Euro, be the defining generation that rebuilds the True Church.
Later I found out what the christian faith entails. Actually shocked me down to my core.
Wait until you learn about Orthodox Theosis, or the many protestant doctrines.
Ok explain the concept to me. How are they one God exactly? You can't be one God if you're obviously 3.
not one Trinitarian would ever say to you "we worship 3 individual gods" it's ONE singular Godhead.
We only have catholics here
i'm calling bullshit, there's no catholic on earth who's not Trinitarian and believes Jesus is God, I mean if they're catholics and they're praying their rosary it literally says "Mary, Mother of God" in there....
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Born where and by which race?
praying to a jewess
Ngmi
Nah that god in the flesh thing gives me the creeps. As a Muslim that's like the one thing that makes you recoil in horror. Bro do you realize that Jesus used to go to the toilet? He used to do poo. How can he be god if he was a man? That's just an insult to God.
What's the meaning of godhead? And yes there are Catholics here but I always just simply assumed that the only difference between Islam and Christianity is that the christians don't believe in prophet Muhammad otherwise it's a 1 to 1 similar religion. And when I actually found out what it's about I realized how radically different they are.
Islam is a slave religion that is completely incompatible with Western civilisation. Conversely, Western civilisation has Christianity as its core.
not one Trinitarian would ever say to you "we worship 3 individual gods"
But any and all Trinitarians will say "we worship three individuals"
and the fact that they worship a dude
Muds may not use the word, but the way they treat Muhammad is unquestionably worship. And he was a jewish serial child rapist.
Christians: children of God
Muslims: locusts
Jews: serpents
This is not merely polemic, this is Bible.
God reflected himself in the image of man and this rhetoric of "he did the poo poo" is just a childish narrowing down of what he DID do while on Earth.
God is One in Essence, Three in Persons; The Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
oca.org
she's literally your best advocate to God there is
Stay mad.
your post was written by grok ai
I can't ever imagine thinking any man was God.
If you think the Almighty can't take on human flesh then you think there is something God can't do. You deny God's omnipotence because you're literally a pagan. Muhammad just stole a bunch of ideas that he overheard in the region. It included from Christians, jews, and Arab pagans. Which is why your alleged faith is such an incoherent mess of contradictions.
Prophet Muhammad has the same station as Jesus and Moses in our eyes. He's not better or worse than either of them.
But he did shit did he not? What does that make his poo if he was god? Wouldn't that make his shit holy as well? Lets say you happen upon some logs Jesus laid hypothetically. Would you preserve them and keep them in a crystal case since that's god's turds or would you take a broom and throw it in the trash? Do you see how it becomes absurd and you start becoming a Hindu?
But any and all Trinitarians will say "we worship three individuals"
no, we don't. we worship ONE God. all three Persons refer to that ONE God. think of it like three different nicknames for the same person.
doesn't matter if I call Richard Dick or Rich everyone knows I'm referring to Richard.
If Jesus was like Muhammad muslims would all be dead by now.
this i can agree with
christcucks literally think 3=1 and think jesus prays to himself
I think mudslims are dumb for other things(politics) but from a theological and monotheistic standpoint we cant look at them as idolators the same way we do christcucks
What's the meaning of essence and person? How is that one God and not three?
Of course God can't do that. God can't become creation even the bible says God is not a man. Numbers 23:19. So even the bible agrees with me. What are you talking about bro
And we think jews are dumb because they follow a religion they made up themselves.
You've never read The Bible, you know zero of the teachings, you can't even wrap your head around the concept of the Holy Trinity or the diametrical opposition of Evil, but your most pressing question is if Jesus shit or not. It's just bad faith all the way down, which is the gold standard on this board when it comes to debating Christianity.
There you go. I wondered if Jews thought Moses was god after I found out about Jesus. Turns out Islam and Judaism is actually extremely similar theologically.
the sacrifice, the redemption it’s beautiful
Not taking responsibility for anything is beautiful? Just seems disgusting and amoral
He's not better or worse than either of them.
Name one instance of muds burning or blowing things up for an artistic depiction of Christ or Moses. Literally even one.
You subhumans are incapable of honesty.
Where's the holy Trinity in the bible and where did that concept come from in the first place? And what I'm saying is completely reasonable
Right so you think "allah" is not omnipotent. Because you're a pagan. I appreciate you confirming.
The Quran makes laughably weak claims about the validity of its own revelation:
m.youtube.com
In fact, according to the Quran, Muhammad could perform no miracles to authenticate his message because he was merely a "warner" (for example, Surrah 13:7, Surrah 7:188). The book also makes incredible claims that it can not at all meet:
m.youtube.com
It is an obviously evil cult, and the politically incorrect telling of its history bears that out:
m.youtube.com
Islam is a textbook example of a false religion. If truly confused, simply ask God to show you the truth. But really, follow Islam and you will not see the light of God. God bless you.
not that baby mutilating relgion
this one!
Oh yeah? Can your god become the scum in the toilet if he wanted to?
Why don't you actually read The Bible yourself if you're this curious, then you would realize the point of Jesus being God in the flesh.
If you weren't so quick to just think anything is an attack on your faith, you'd realize that each person in the trinity is an individual, with his own name, traits...
I've read enough of the bible to know it's not true and full of contradictions and errors
Turns out Islam and Judaism is actually extremely similar theologically.
Identical, even. Which is partially why jewish and muslim behavior is so similar.
Both. Unironically
Ok explain the concept to me. How are they one God exactly?
One God in three persons
You can't be one God if you're obviously 3.
SO OBVIOUS BRO
You're not giving an argument you're just using just a thought terminating cliche
John 10:
29My Father, who has given them to me,a is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
didn't presume that they think Jesus is god because the bible says god is not a man.
Firstly, that was written before Jesus became a man
If I say you're not a corpse does that mean you can never be a corpse?
Secondly, it's saying "God is not a man, that he should lie; ".. which is just a poetic way of saying he is not LIKE a man because "that he should lie" is not a grammatically complete thought. It needs the first part to form a complete thought.
no shit....i'm trying to break it down barney style
I didn't just said you were wrong as a reflex, i'm actually trying to....
So, do you pray to three individuals?
Where's the holy Trinity
First verse of John.
Would be the most obvious and explicit example. All through out the Gospels and Epistles.
You won't find God in any books especially ones that tell you when it's ok to rape.
And this is what it boils down to and what we mean by bad faith. The intrinsic concept of the Holy Trinity is prevalent in The Bible, but you still want to claim complete ignorance and put forward the claim "I read a lot of it already!". You presume to have people spoonfeed you verses, so just you can take these arguments into circles with nonsense like "did Jesus le shit?" as some kind of misguided "own". If I asked you for a single contradiction from the Bible, I bet I couldn't get a clear response.
It literally says God is not a man. Doesn't say like a man you're inserting your own words there. Doesn't say like a man at all. Says clearly, isn't a man. And the bible even says that Jesus says that the father is the only true god in John 17:3.
And Jesus also says in the bible to make the disciples one with them just as Jesus and the father are one so are they now part of the Trinity?
no, I pray to one individual.
Omnipotent means omnipotent, pagan.
And what's the name of the individual you pray to?
Jew, Christian, or Muslim; it doesn't matter. They are all Jews. Whatever you choose, you will be a Jew.
towelhead for the food
christianity for the jews
Was Jesus a simple man with all the works he did while on Earth? What part of "God in the shape of Man" do you not understand? Can I walk on water and turn water to wine too? I'm a man just like Jesus, right? You're really in no position to be acting as an authority on the Bible when you're failing even in the simplest of concepts.
Show me the verse then.
Then what was going on in nicea or council of Constantinople? Literally none of the early church fathers including clement, Ignatius ireneaus, justin martyr or anyone pre nicea believed in the trinity
I literally just did, you illiterate pagan.
John 1:1.
my online LARP version of "christianity" is the true bible-based(tm) version
you lot are as insufferable as the independent, fundamentalist, KJV-only reformed baptists at lest the actual IRL Orthodox Church has the history receipts to trace back a few thousand years
To be fair, Justin Martyr did believe in a form of proto-trinity, with Christ being a "lesser god".
If someone ask you to quote the bible, you quote it, instead of calling people names.
PLEASE BASED PRO WHITE CHRISTIANS COME HELP ME PUT THESE ANTI CHRIST LARPAGAN JEWS IN THEIR PLACE BEFORE THEY CORRUPT OUR PEOPLE
God
The bible says that Gid did miracles through Jesus.
I'm not the one that worships a dude lol. Where in John 1:1 is the holy spirit mentioned?
There are 10 Commandments, if you follow them you should be ok, everything else is shitskin nonsense.
So Jesus or Yahweh aren't His names, his name is "God"?
You didn't ask anyone to quote anything. Can you genuinely not read your own posts?
I can't tell when you're practicing mud dishonesty and when your jeet IQ is shining through.
That's a heresy the Trinity is that they are coequal. Justin martyr would be a heretic in that case for thinking that Jesus is a lesser Yahweh
you're trying to get me on a gotcha question. when I pray I have ONE God in mind. that's the entire point. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate deities.
I'm not the one that worships a dude lol.
Lol. Again with the lies. You worship a talmudic child rapist. We've been over this.
Where in John 1:1 is the holy spirit mentioned?
And there go the goalposts. Jeets man... I swear.
Can you genuinely not read your own posts?
I've memorized the NT, what I cannot do is to endure mutts like you who think they can defend the Christian faith by calling others as many names as possible and refusing to post quotes when the person they are talking to asks politely.
Not a lesser yahweh per si, but something akin to the "highest angel", the "logos/word of God", the Jehovah Witness hold this view today.
aren't separate**
Exodus 3:14
So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.
John 20:26-28
Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
They're one and the same
What's the Trinity? It's "allegedly" one ousia with 3 hypostasis, coequal, coeternal, distinct. Am I wrong?
Where's that in John 1:1? And how is that not 3 gods?
you're trying to get me on a gotcha question.
No, I don't know what kind of religious person you're used to talking to, but I genuinely want to see how you see your own faith.
It'd do you good at the very least to know God's name when you pray to Him.
Exodus
Jesus
Exodus 3:14: And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. (KJV)
Deuteronomy 28–29:
If a man seizes a virgin not betrothed and rapes her, he must pay her father and marry her, without the possibility of divorce.
Crosscuck bros our response?
I just want to save my soul and live with real purpose
You’ll need to study more than these two religions, though they provide good things. I would say Christianity is much more useful than Islam though, unless you feel particularly incapable of being moral without strict enforcement and punishment lingering over you.
Bother offer unique means to avoid “Hell”.
a sincere belief in Christ as Savior
When you encounter Hell on your journey through the next life, you will be able to call upon him. If you hold this faith true in your heart, He will save you from Damnation. This is the true power of Christ. The issue here is that there isn’t a clear guide on the other pitfalls of the afterlife, and how to avoid ending up back here.
Your sins are forgiven, ie you do not believe you should go to Hell, ie you do not enter when you encounter it.
a life lives legalistically following a moral code, laid out clearly and definitely
This will allow you to avoid Hell if you truly lived up to your code, as you will, again, not believe you deserve Damnation. You will be able to flee from that torment on your journey through death. More prone to failure though, as you do have to actually hold yourself to this standard AND have faith that you’ve done so.
I have spoken to Death. I tell you these things in aid if you seek eternal peace.
do muslims? you guys just "allah" which is literally just "God" but in arabic. Yea, when I'm referring to God in prayers it's praying to the I AM in the OT which is the ONE God i mentioned that can be referred to as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. they all call to the same I AM.
This isn't what the council of nicea voted on after Jesus's supposed crucifixion a couple years later crosscuck.
You're so hung up on the technicalities of 3 "distinct" entities when they're the same thing. In the Holy Spirit that resides in Man, are we to worship ourselves?
John 8:57, that was my mistake.
do muslims?
Anyone who read the bare minimum knows the name of God, and say it without shame, but not without reason.
And no, in the Christian tradition (Catholics, Orthodox and pretty much all protestants), Yahweh that some Americans like to call "I AM" is the name of the Father, while Jesus is the name of the son, and the Holy Ghost lacks as name of his own.
Do you know the basics of your own religion?
, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
Jews accusing him doesn't mean that he's God. Igo Ami is said by the blind man later, does that make him God too?
I and the Father are one.
that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. John 17:21
Are the disciples part of the trinity now?
“My Lord and my God!”
Shocked and made an exclamation. If you say my God in front of them that doesn't make him God, and Jesus himself never proclaimed to be god
John 8:57 - Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Are you sure it's not one of John epistles?
How are they the same thing? Tell me something, is the father FULLY god, is the son FULLY god, and is the spirit FULLY god? How many FULLY gods do we have?
Ahh yes. Providing a penalty for a crime is saying that crime is "ok".
Why can none of you browns read?
My friend, try to quote the whole verse, John 8:57 is only
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
John 8:57-59 is:
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself . . .
Having your daughter married to her rapist is a punishment for who exactly? What the fuck?
Do you really want to talk about Numbers 31? It's quite untasty.
Nigga read the books and decide for yourself why the fuck are you asking POL for spiritual advice
what the fuck even is this reply? dude, learn some basic argumentation before (You)ing me again.
Point 1) God reveals His name is I AM in the OT
Point 2) God reveals He is ONE God in the OT
Point 3) Scripture refers to multiple Persons existing within that ONE God multiple times
Conclusion) God is ONE Deity that can be referred to by the revealed Persons as evident in Scripture. they refer to the same God.
if you can't follow that simple logic trail I've nothing else to say.
It literally says God is not a man
And then he became a man... What can't you comprehend about that simple chronology?
Doesn't say like a man you're inserting your own words there
Not an argument. I justified why it is poetic language. You just cant' refute it.
Says clearly, isn't a man
And you "isn't" a corpse either, huh? But can you become one yes or no? Answer the question or admit you're just coping
Jesus says that the father is the only true god in John 17:3.
Doesn't "father" you're inserting your own words there
And Jesus also says in the bible to make the disciples one with them just as Jesus and the father are one so are they now part of the Trinity?
Doesn't say "make" you're inserting your own words there.
fpbp
checked & kekd
And how is that not 3 gods?
Because it definitionally isn't? We once again seem to have the problem of you not reading your own posts.
you said there was a father, a son, a brother, and uncle, a husband standing over there! But I only count one man! Checkmate Christians!
You jeets are so fucking stupid.
Argument? I had to press you for three posts, and you couldn't tell me the name of God, how can I have an argument with someone that knows so little?
To argue about Christianity, you need to know a bit about Christianity.
real talk this is the best advice, if you're coming here to get anything other than this it's just honestly circlejerking. and i say this as a participant in the circlejerk.
So your God, Jesus and his father and a spirit came back down after the old testament to reveal scripture to a bunch of judahites who were taking up old babylonian practices because what he laid out in the OT was a mistake?
And then he died?
God can die?
And then Paul wrote about him in what you now call the NT?
1+1+1=1?
Jews accusing him doesn't mean that he's God. Igo Ami is said by the blind man later, does that make him God too?
The disbelief in Jesus is the point, but if we are to understand that Jesus is God, then he's flat out saying "Yeah, I was there at the time of Abraham, because I'm God"
that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. John 17:21
The Holy Spirit
Are the disciples part of the trinity now?
The Holy Spirit is part of the trinity, which is God in us. If you're asking "Are the disciples God too?" then no, obviously not.
Shocked and made an exclamation. If you say my God in front of them that doesn't make him God, and Jesus himself never proclaimed to be god
Proclaimed and brought from the miracle witnessed and spurned on by the Holy Spirit within.
Your fundamental misunderstanding is that you've never felt the Holy Spirit, which is a felt presence to children of the faith. You can read the words of scripture, but if you don't believe in heart and soul, then the nature of the Holy Spirit will elude you.
Also, if you want a good laugh, find out how the only prophecy in the Quran Muhammed actually fulfilled proves he was a false prophet. All based on the most reliable Muslim source (Sahih al-Bukhari):
m.youtube.com
ok bro, you can't follow simple argumentation, have a great day and don't forget to totally not pray to muhammed in your five daily prayers (they won't be valid unless you pray to muhammed)
sambo calling anyone a mutt
Lmao. I'd be surprised if you memorized the numbers 1-10 brown thing.
Nice little bit of crying out in pain as you strike though.
i don't know but if i heard someone say if he was lying that his aorta would be severed and then got poisoned by a jewish woman (after saying "allah" wouldn't let her) and said he felt his aorta being severed i'd think twice about following his religion.
1+1+1 that dude.
Bro, it's you who cannot follow me... now I'll just scream "I won" and call you names... see... me Chrsitian
You're someone afraid to say the name of your own God because you think it's trap.
Do you know that Numbers is not part of the NT, right? It's part of the OT.
You know what, do as the other guy and just spam name calling, it's better than this.
LE YOU BROWNS CAN'T READ
And then he became a man
Malachi 3:6 God doesn't change
I justified why it is poetic language. You just cant' refute it.
It also says God isn't a son of man, wasn't Jesus a son of man?
Doesn't "father" you're inserting your own words there
Pic rel
Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.
Simple as.
God
can't
That's your god. Impotent. My God can do anything.
Can God lie?
Yes.
My God can do anything
Can your god come to the earth, take shahadah and become Muslim?
Yes.
And yet, the Torah says:
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie...
Can your god come down to earth in female form, become my wife and bear me many children?
What part of
Might makes Right
Don't you understand?
Surah Az-Zumar (39:30)
"Indeed, you (O Muhammad) will die, and indeed, they [too] will die."
Noone is immune from dieing or being killed.
Case and point just look at your god lol.
Of course.
Only He who is not created nor born will die due to His own nature.
fpbp
We don't need any Abrahamic religions
Cow your god become Lakshmi the Hindu god and bless cow dungs as they exit cow anuses?
So I could very well be your god, can't see anything that prevents me.
Yes.
Can God?
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes
Will God?
Depend.
will not die*
I hate using English
When you come to understand and feel the Holy Spirit, you come to understand the oneness in all 3, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was placed to help us understand and guide us and is tangible in the light felt. Until you come to that, then you're just blindly trying to grasp a rationale that defies faith and the feeling of the trinity. An exercise in futility.
Why not?
It doesn't makes sense, the Scriptures doesn't talk anything about it, but by mystical means you can KNOWN it's real
Sounds like new age crap to me.
Indeed, why not, would you like to worship me, I can very well be your god?
No, because I already have a God who has been guiding me around.
Do you know that Numbers is not part of the NT, right? It's part of the OT.
Lmao. I'll say my point has been proved beyond all doubt.
Malachi 3:6 God doesn't change
HAHA!! That is talking about his nature. God became a burning bush, a thunderous cloud, a fiery cloud, and even a man who wrestled Jacob and changed Jacob's name to Israel (that name literally means wrestled with God).
en.wikipedia.org
Who do you muslim idiots think Jacob wrestled with if you accept that his name was literally changed to mean "wrestled with God"???
It also says God isn't a son of man,
still does not understand chronology
Your parents are cousins huh?
Pic rel
Doesn't say father in verse 3 and that was your claim. You lose again
You're full of crap and lost this argument so badly. You just can't admit to yourself you did because like so many muslims your parents are cousins so you're not smart enough
Such absurdity. Well I suppose all I can say is that if your faith truly satisfies you then good for you.
Bro I'm not going to be feeling anything or letting anything feel me that's mighty creepy. And if it takes a subjective feeling to come to god instead of worshipping just one singular god then it's just not for me. And I simply can't worship a dude. I was born Muslim. Worst case scenario I become an atheist or just larp as a Jew, got the nose for it already, but man worship just isn't for me.
uses brown flag
shills brown "religion"
literally can't read
seethes when called brown
Kek
God made me the Emperor.
Reeeeeee, I'll just scream "I won"... and run away
Go ahead, you'll be like the third guy to do it.
Call it what you want, but to put literal minded arguments to a scripture of holiness and faith is where you deny the possibilities of interconnectedness observed in your life and that pertains to the Bible, because God foresees and weaves all.
Then there's nothing more I can say to you.
Why are you resorting to insults and getting personal? If you want to win so desperately you win bro I lose. Happy? Just be able to go to the toilet easily at night now ok? Relax. This is exactly what I was saying at the start that people just want to be right
And I simply can't worship a dude
You do precisely this. As has been repeatedly demonstrated.
God didn't "became" a burning bush or a thunderous cloud, he communicated to Moses by showing Moses these forms.
It's like going back to the first year in college.
My friend, will you claim that you put arguments based on the bible, or will you put said arguments for me to see?
Christianity
Such a cucked and dead religion, so crazy it's seems pagan at this point.
You literally don't know what a number is by your own admission. There is no point in arguing with anyone that ignorant. And more over you deserve to be mocked for it.
Well I've told you that no man is worthy of my worship and will never be. And I hold all the prophets at the same station. But if it makes you feel better to say that I do for some hollow victory then believe what you want idgaf
Social life in a Christian church is very different from that in Islam, the need to show you're part of the group is central, and questioning any dogma, slightly is enough to get one cast outside.
There's no custom of teaching the basics of theology to everyone, or even of making sure everyone knows the texts somehow well. Rites and external sights of being part of the group are central.
What are you even talking about?
Quran 5:47 says that Christians are right and a Muslim should judge themselves based on whether their theology is approved of by Christians.
Catolicism is superior since the transubstantiation doctrine.
God IS a human like us, not an unreachable deity or an extraterrestial like muslim or jews believe.
In addition, catholics believe in the Holy Trinity, which attacks monotheistic fanaticism.
That's not what Quran 5:47 says, but it's quite common to find people on the internet quoting it this way as an argument.
Also, I just want to make it a point to say to any Christians in this thread that they take a more open-handed form of debate, rather than this Jay Dyer "dudebro" hornet style of attack because of people not believing in our faith. Patience and understanding is always required. I understand, though, because sometimes I struggle with it myself.
As I've said, you can read The Bible for yourself. Possibly the easiest book available to read out of all of them. This is a pretty good site: biblegateway.com
I can certainly beat 100% of Anon Babble posters in a chess match.
will I?
Depend.
The link I shared defined these words.
Essence is also called Nature, as in human nature, or Divine Nature. Certain properties are indelible to natures, i.e. Human nature being made in the image of God; Nous, Word and Spirit. Or, you can think of the dog-ness of a dog, or cat-ness of a cat.
Person here is a Hypostasis, a 'Who', and such possesses a Nature. Note that Jesus Christ, a Divine Person of the Holy Trinity, was Incarnate, and took on human nature, and so, although He is one Person, He has two distinct natures: Divine Nature, and human nature. He is the God-Man.
From the link I shared,
"Thus, according to the Orthodox Tradition, it is the mystery of God that there are Three who are divine; Three who live and act by one and the same divine perfection, yet each according to his own personal distinctness and uniqueness. Thus it is said that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are each divine with the same divinity, yet each in his own divine way. And as the uncreated divinity has three divine subjects, so each divine action has three divine actors; there are three divine aspects to every action of God, yet the action remains one and the same."
Bro, bro, just read the whole bible and pretend I'm right, ok? here's a link haha
So this is what you mean by "to put literal minded arguments to a scripture of holiness and faith".
Well, what more to expect of a Christian
I think this ex-Muslim scholar knows better than you
youtube.com
I've never seen what socializing in church is like. In mosques it's pretty nice. You just sit around say hello to people, some people praying, some people studying the Quran. Easy way to make friends there or get invited for dinner. And then people ask you where you've been if you start going regularly. Maybe I should restart going to the mosque again
It says the opposite actually.
Why are you resorting to insults
Because you're being a disingenuous troll that dodges everything
If you want to win
No, I want to you to explicitly state why you are wrong in detail
you win bro I lose
You're just lying though because you can't refute me. You don't actually think you're wrong but you are.
This is exactly what I was saying at the start that people just want to be right
I already know I'm right.
Islam is for niggers and other shitskins. Christianity is for white men. Look at the societies that Islam has created and then look at the societies Christianity has created. The proof is in the pudding.
I've never seen what socializing in church is like.
It can be nice, but it has all the traits of a cult, if you show you're part of the group you'll be treated well and nicely, if you slip and show some trait of an outsider, you'll face hostility.
Not bad in itself, but tend to breed the mentality you see on the Americans in this thread.
...is where you deny the possibilities of interconnectedness observed in your life and that pertains to the Bible, because God foresees and weaves all.
I'm not going to force anyone's hand, but it'll always be there for people who want to read it. I'm not trying to "win" anything, except to spread the light and good of the Bible. I'm not some blue haired dough boy like Destiny trying to win debates for self-gratification.
I'm not going to engage with you unless you're going to have some respect. Just because this is the internet doesn't mean you lose decency. Because in real life you can get slapped. And if you really so desperately need a win and think that you're right, then go ahead. You haven't really proven anything wrong and have just sperged out. If you know you're right then good for you. If only you were. Like I am in reality
I'm not going to...
To quote the bible, I assume because you're not familiar with it and all you seek is to "win" an argument.
Just keep calling people names and telling them "go read the bible" until someone agrees with whatever you're claiming.
I didn't call anyone names lol. You sure there isn't some projection on your part here? Could be your spirit trying to tell you something.
I was watching this last night. If this true for the other denominations too?
God didn't "became" a burning bush or a thunderous cloud
More specifically he became the fire within the bush but that's splitting hairs
he communicated to Moses by showing Moses these forms
He told Moses to take off his sandals because he was on holy ground, signifying the presence of the Lord was literally there. Since God is ominipresent that does not make sense unless he actually manifested himself as a physical object.
Or instead claim whatever you say is true because you had some saving unique special experience, and that anyone who doesn't agree must be automatically wrong because they lack this unique experience.
This can be called "the ultimate cope", a claim that lacking any shadow of evidence is kept by saying only the few elected with special experience can see it.
It's somehow common in protestants and the rule for evangelicals, but yes, the vast majority of Christians have a purely emotional and aesthetic attachment to religion, and believe "if it's in the books, it's le good le holy", extending this to jews.
Well I've told you that no man is worthy of my worship and will never be.
Yes. And lies like this only work if the one you're lying to has never heard if taqiyyah.
And I hold all the prophets at the same station.
You were given a chance to prove this and completely ignored the post.
numbers ARE letters for jews
that's splitting hairs
For once, we agree.
He told Moses to take off his sandals because he was on holy ground, signifying the presence of the Lord was literally there.
Where did you get that holy ground means "the Lord is literally there"? How did you reach this conclusion?
Uh... transubstantiation is something completely different.
If your first and second paragraphs were unrelated, that's fine. But it's a bit unclear what you're saying here.
Actually enforces moral behaviour
You've never met any Muslims. Most of them drink and fuck, just in private.
There is rampant homo behaviour in their communities because they hate women.
Mmhmm
I've met two dozen people making your claim for each Muslim I've met IRL, and for each I've met IRL they mostly behave well.
I'm not going to engage with you unless you're going to have some respect
Liars like you don't deserve respect. Respect is earned.
You haven't really proven anything wrong
I've proven just about everything you say is wrong.
If you know you're right then good for you. If only you were
So you lied. If I'm not right then I didn't "win" yet you said I did.
You are a liar and deserve no respect
You are wrong about God not being able to take the form of a man. The Bible never says or implies that.
Like I am in reality
ROFL no. You could not defend yourself and that's why you spun off on this tangent.
He's right
You're being disrespectful and you're lying. If you want to talk about your religion, the way you act already said all there was to say.
Okay, if we presume to put the Holy Spirit in a framework of existing within all of us, then it doesn't become as easily quantifiable to argue for its validity in formal debate, since each acknowledgement of its presence is wholly unique to each child of God. For example, if you were to read testimonies from people (which they are many) regarding God, or meeting an Angel, or hearing God's voice, or feeling a light, you may find it interesting, but would you truly believe if you've never felt it yourself? Would you not discount it as "headcanon" or "cope" or "self-delusion" from people who needed to believe in a falsehood? The thing is, it's not a question of being some special prophet to experience these things, it's just a question if you can find it in yourself to explore God's scriptures and keep an open heart and mind to experience his joy and love. We are all special in the eyes of God, that's the point, and we can all receive his gifts.
the one that doesn't copy the talmud for it's holy book
For example, if you were to read testimonies from people (which they are many) regarding God
I'm literally a pastor anon, I know more about testimonies than I wish I knew, and in general I despise them.
The point is that one does not discuss or argue about mystics because it's impossible to even decide a common perspective. If mystics is all you've to say, then there's nothing we can argue. And I don't mean this as an offense.
Prophet Muhammad saws was White lmao.
Sahih al-Bukhari (Hadith 3541)
Narrated Al-Bara' ibn Azib:
“The Prophet was neither very tall nor short, he had a white complexion with a reddish tinge, and his hair was neither very curly nor very straight…”
Sahih al-Bukhari (Hadith 3546)
Narrated Uthman ibn Mawhab:
“My family sent me to Umm Salama with a cup of water. And the hair of the Prophet was with her. I saw the hair: it was red.”
GEG
I'm just not interested in some sperg crashing out. You're just trying to insult me because you can't keep your emotions under control and you're realizing your beliefs are Greek and Roman pagan. Even the logos philosophy was developed by Philo of Alexandria. So personally I couldn't care less about your gnostic beliefs and I'm not here to trigger you. But if you're going to talk to me like that then go talk to someone else I don't need your bullshit. I can call you names too but alhamdullilah I'm not a Christian
take a more open-handed form of debate, rather than this Jay Dyer "dudebro" hornet style of attack
Actual debate requires a level of intellectual honesty that neither the jeet nor the favela ape have shown any interest in engaging in.
While attempting to take the moral and rhetorical high ground against those who show up to slander and fling insults while ignoring every answer you provide is likely the morally correct position, but it's horrendously ineffective.
Calling that behavior "debate" is extremely, extremely generous.
And yet Christ tells people to follow the Pharisees, including the spoken Torah (Talmud).
Hey, it's the Kabalash anon.
Op just listen to this and you will know which side are you on if it touches you then Christ is with you, and God bless you
m.youtube.com
Hyperborean religion is the best one.
You were given a chance to prove this and completely ignored the post.
Here you go. Your cope now?
See: youtube.com
You know, the worst part? This song is used by many to honor God, while the former is almost never used like this.
Where did you get that holy ground means "the Lord is literally there"? How did you reach this conclusion?
I directly explained it in the next sentence....
Moreover, the Holy of Holies is considered holy ground but there was no command to go barefood when the high priest entered despite God's presence being there. This again implies uniqueness to the burning bush encounter; specifically a physical manifestation of God.
I know more about testimonies than I wish I knew, and in general I despise them.
And I think that is your mistake, because in choosing to disdain God's love granted to his children, you choose to spurn what God can give not only them, but also yourself. I think if you kept a more open mind and ear to such possibilities, you too can be granted the wonders you claim are nonsense. I will extend an olive branch, though, and say not all claims may be as they say, but I think God has a way of making sure you absorb and listen to the ones that are true.
Christian.
And yet, I don't think your explanation is any good.
Nor do I think the very extensive rites to enter the Holy of Holies not mentioning shoes proves your point.
This addresses literally nothing I said.
I made a comment on your observable behavior. What the quran says is utterly irrelevant to your actions. Which precisely why you still refuse to address my question.
Islam is cool, but Quran says to kill Pagans so I don't support that
Congrats on addressing nothing I said and once again proving your own illiteracy.
Alright so if you're just going to dismiss everything I say anyways what's the point of this conversation?
You don't agree with me, so you must lack God's love, agree with me to get God's love
I invite you to make the potential love you have to God, into actual love, by good actions and in your case, specially by study. I'm pretty sure the more you read and study the scriptures, the closer you'll become of God and as a bonus, you'll be able to argue if you need to.
and you're lying
No, I'm not. Otherwise you could point out what I lied about.
all that barf from a proven liar
Yawn
You stopped engaging because I proved you were wrong and you ran out of cope excuses. Simple as.
Nothing in the Old Testament says or implies God could not become a man.
I can call you names too
The difference is I wouldn't use that as an excuse to run away from a lost argument like you have.
This is like a theater performance, where one performs what looks like arguments, defeat the other part and then ask the losing part to convert and find the love of god (see ).
It's not exactly common, but often people literally perform "testimonies" of this in churches for everyone to see.
I have no idea what that is, but since you don't understand that the mathematical concept of numbers exist, I'm sure you think it was a super biting insult that no one with an IQ above room temperature (Celsius) would care about.
I don't speak retard and argue with room temp groids who can't solve a basic math math equation.
Agreed, I still need to study further in depth. Maybe there's been something we've learned from each other (or maybe something we both already knew and has now come to light ;)).
You are lying here:
Not an argument. I justified why it is poetic language. You just cant' refute it.
Now as the Pakistani said, you better learn to have some manner if you want to continue.
Just try to keep to the good book, instead of people trying to claim "when Jesus says A, he meant not A".
Nothing in the Old Testament says or implies God could not become a man.
Numbers 23:19
“God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind...”
Crosscuck bros our response?
Christ tells people to follow the Pharisees, including the spoken Torah (Talmud).
Absolute nonsense. Jesus never said follow the "spoken Torah"
no argument detected
Are you just fishing for (yous) or something?
For the fifth time, what the quran says is utterly irrelevant if you do not do as it instructs. I have pointed to your actual behavior in practice. No amount of quranic citations will ever disprove that you do the thing I have observed you doing.
Which is why you *still* will not answer the question.
Now, as the Pakistani said, you better learn to have some manner if you want to continue.
Ask in good faith, and you'll get a reply in good faith.
It doesn't matter what the Quran say, or how you behave, I the all-knowing Christian claim that you do it, so you do it.
Is this what you're trying to say?
Hosea 11:9
“For I am God and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath.”
Not feeling too good crosscuck bros.
Talmud was put together in the year 500 AD. How can Jesus in 33 tell people to follow it?
Also how can Jesus tell people to follow the pharsees when they reject him?
Learn history and logic.
Again. I have observed you doing something. You refuse to defend or even explain why you do that. Pointing to scripture that says you are not to do it is not a defense of your having done it. It just proves you don't live by your beliefs.
What you are doing would be like if a murderer was caught stabbing someone to death and then said "I didn't murder anyone. The law says right here that I am not allowed to murder."
You need to get in control of your emotions. Getting so riled up over words on a screen is peak feminine behavior and just makes people to want to bully you. Don't be that guy, pal.
My God. What's your stupid question? You're not the only person in engaging with here stop thinking every question of yours will be even read in the first place.
You are lying here:
No, I'm not. Otherwise you could explain how it's a lie. You can't.
I said you can't point out what I "lied" about and all you did is point out where you pretend I lied.... proving me right.
What != Where
See first line here and don't jump into a convo if you're too stupid to read it
I don't know what the Talmud is, also... how can Jesus have said something that I don't like?
The Talmud is the oral Torah, the different traditions and comments on how to follow the Torah, including the 613 laws of the Pharisees.
Or... you just don't understand the very simple difference between is and ought.
Though you also don't understand what numbers are as a concept, by your own admission. So this is unsurprising.
Probably my last post in this thread, but I just want to say that should you meet resistance, it doesn't mean you have to tear them down or barrage them with insults, even if they don't act in a cordial manner. These things take time to come around to and the Holy Spirit allows our words to take root, even if its effects are not immediate.
Peace be upon you, brothers. May God bless your paths in the light of good and love.
He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind...”
Miss that part? You can't play gotcha you own post destroys your argument.
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Talmud was put together in the year 500 AD.
The mishnah was written 200 BC and the Jerusalem Talmud was written in 350-400 BC....
Why are you lieing?
About Jesus telling people to follow the Pharisees, in Matthew 23:2-3
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Isn't Jesus literally telling to observe what the Pharisees, sitting in the seat of Moses, tell people to follow?
And even more name-calling.
He thinks the Talmud is one book, the Babilonian Talmud in the case, instead of a name for any series of comments on how to follow the Torah.
I don't care what it takes
On some level, I think you would care because of your interest in Islam and Sharia Law.
The Talmud is the oral Torah
Yet it took centuries to write down. Learn to logic.
What faith do you follow?
I don't speak retard
Oh but you do. It's on your memeflag.
argue with room temp groids
Lol. Literal subsaharan calling anyone else a "groid". Oh, and "cold" is not a particularly good insult. Lmao. Brown thing forgot "IQ" exists while trying to insult others' intelligence.
math math
Rofl
Getting so riled up over words
You're the one that got triggered and shut down when I insulted you for lying and used it as an excuse to abandon your failed arguments lol.
You need to not get so riled up over words
How is brown an insult? Jesus was brown too by the way.
You are mistaken the text known as "Babylonian Talmud", with what Talmud means, a Talmud is any collection of instructions on how to observe and follow what is written in the Torah, including the oral Torah of the Pharisees in the time of Christ.
Nominally I'm a Christian, protestant, evangelical of Assemblies of God. In practice, I've become a Muslim quite some time ago.
It's actually the exact opposite of what I am saying. Thank you for once again proving your own illiteracy and hypocrisy.
Then I got it wrong, instead of repeating the same offenses in hopes of being shown right, how about you make a new thread?
Islam is just a dumbed down version of Christianity for sand niggers who are too retarded to understand simple concepts like the trinity, and with a kosher like set of rules telling them exactly how to live their lives because they are dumb animals who can't figure out how to be civilized otherwise.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Christianity. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the parables will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Christ's righteous outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterization - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Hellenistic Neoplatonist literature, for instance. The devout understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these parables, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Christianity truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the irony in Jesus's existential catchphrase "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?," which itself is a cryptic reference to Psalm 22. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as God's genius unfolds itself in their Bibles. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have an agnus dei tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
For the seventh time
You retarded, dishonest jeet.
Alright thanks for the advice. You should follow it too.
Mashallah. Always a pleasure meeting a brother from south America. Take a trip down here if you get the opportunity. We'll ride some 4x4s, fire some AKs and smoke some pajeets if they try shit.
If we are going to be technical, the Wisdom books in the bible are technically a Talmud.
mishnah was written 200 BC
Try 6-7th century.
en.wikipedia.org
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but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
What is it with not reading the verses you people post?
And even more name-calling
I'd point out the hypocrisy here but it's become perfectly evident that you are just as dishonest as you are unintelligent. So you undoubtedly know what you're doing.
Always a pleasure meeting a brother from south America.
You have no idea of how much I agree, also, congratulation on winning the war.
So, you believe that when Jesus say "do as they say, but don't do as they do", this somehow doesn't mean Jesus said the "do as they say" part? That it holds no validity?
The Talmud is the oral Torah
Which was invented after Jesus by coping kikes because they have no written record connecting talmudism/judaism to the Israelites
It's literally:
Trust me goy we talked about this stuff before Jesus so that makes us The Chosen™
Jesus thus never told anyone to follow because that wouldn't make sense.
including the 613 laws of the Pharisees
You're absolutely clueless. The Pharisees didn't exist when the 613 laws were written. They are not the "laws of the Pharisees" anymore than they are "The laws of the muslims"
a book compilation put together by some guys in a room in Rome in the third century.
A compilation of what those early Christian theological experts and wise men considered to be the best, most reliable biographical accounts and eyewitness testimony from people who actually knew him and were part of his ministry and teaching during his life.
How is brown an insult?
I didn't say it was. I was pointing out how little he thinks of himself to use it as an insult while being brown himself.
Jesus was brown too by the way.
He wasn't. But it's completely irrelevant to the point either way.
If God becomes a man while remaining God, then there are two distinct entities an eternal, infinite God and a limited, finite man. That sounds like two beings, not one which violates monotheism.
Malachi 3:6:
“I, the Lord, do not change”
God is eternal and unchanging.
Humans are changeable — they grow, learn, suffer, and die.
So if God becomes a man, He either changed (which contradicts immutability), or added something that was not God, which creates a compound being.
Jesus (Your God as a man) was not omnipresent (He walked in Galilee, not everywhere), and according to Mark 13:32, he didn't know the hour of the end times.
How can Jesus AS be God if he didn't know this or Mark was lieing and just adding to Paul's fanfic.
We're not supposed to attack anyone for drawing depictions of prophet Muhammad either. But come to Pakistan, insult Jesus on the streets, see what happens to you. You're not going to go home alive. Also your drawing of depictions of the prophets is part of your faith. Who are we to tell you how to practice it or what to do?
As I explained earlier, honest debate requires an opponent who is capable of (much less willing to engage in) honesty. You have shown neither.
Anon, the Talmud is not a book, it's a term for any text or oral tradition commenting on the Torah, in Anon Babble we tend to use the word "Talmud" to mean "the book known as the Babylonian Talmud", that's how I used it.
You're absolutely clueless. The Pharisees didn't exist when the 613 laws were written. They are not the "laws of the Pharisees" anymore than they are "The laws of the muslims"
The Pharisees did exist and were the dominant Jewish sect when the 613, also know as the "Oral Talmud" or "the Talmud of the Pharisees" was written down.
You should follow it too
I already follow my advice of not lying and not getting riled up over words. You should follow that advice since you did both (lying and being riled up over words)
You're the one that got riled up and ran away from the argument because you were losing, not me.
wikipedia
lmao
Babylonian talmud which was compiled in Babylonia during an era that happened 1000 years later according to you LMAO
Mishnah: Compiled ~200 CE by Rabbi Judah ha-Nasi.
Jerusalem Talmud (Yerushalmi): Compiled around 350–400 CE in Tiberias, Israel.
Babylonian Talmud (Bavli): Compiled and redacted between 500–600 CE in Babylonia (modern-day Iraq).
Source: Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 15, “Talmud”
the Trinity, which is clear cut polytheism
Fathers, and sons, and husbands are three different things, but one man can be a father, and a son, and a husband at the same time.
Are you claiming that Allah cannot be three different things at the same time? Blasphemy.
So are Jesus, the Father and the Holy spirit just roles God plays?
More than us winning, it was satisfying watching the jeets lose and completely shit the bed. They're still seething. I have a Hindu friend that lives in Canada, and all the indians have labelled him as a Muslim terrorist and shunned him. He was dating some Hindu Indian girl and she broke up with him. Apparently they were saying Pakistan should be flattened like Gaza, and he said are you guys insane? They excommunicated him for that. So much seethe kek
proverbs is in the talmud
So you're arguing Jesus says to listen to them when they say don't follow Jesus?
Try reading the whole passage instead of playing half baked gotta games.
moron is still too stupid to read a convo it jumped into
See first line here
We're not supposed to attack anyone for drawing depictions of prophet Muhammad either.
For the 9th time, I could not give less of a shit about what you are "supposed to" do.
People are not supposed to murder. A lot of them do. I have not once said anything about what the quran says on the issue. Literally not even once.
I am pointing out what Muslims do.
See, watch this:
do
supposed to
These are two entirely different phrases. A helpful hint to tell they are different is how radically different they are spelled.
So for the 9th time, are you going to answer the question? And, to reiterate since you conveniently keep "forgetting", the question is about what muds do. Not about the way they ought to act.
This anon still doesn't get that "Talmud" is not the name of a book, but of a type of book. Kek.
Indians are weird, thank God I've never met one IRL.
Ok so do christians fornicate? Do christians have gay marriages in churches? Do christians puberty block their children? Do Christians have pride parades? So what's your point
using Wikipedia as a source
Crosscuck bros....
Anon, the Talmud is not a book, it's a term for any text or oral tradition commenting on the Torah,
Nope. That is a lie. The talmud is a specific set of oral tradition that was invented nearly 200 years after Christ
He never said follow it. You blatantly lied.
that's how I used it.
And you used it incorrectly
The Pharisees did exist and were the dominant Jewish sect when the 613
Nope. That is a lie. Not a single source says they existed back then.
also know as the "Oral Talmud"
Nope. That is a lie and a contradiction. You just said the "talmud" is any oral tradition so now you invented the phrase "oral oral tradiction"
"the Talmud of the Pharisees"
Nope. That is a lie. That is a nonexistent phrase you made up. You can't find it anywhere in historical research bc it' doesn't exist.
You're pathetic and an obvious non Christian troll retard liar
That was actually my advice but you can use that at yours in the future. I grant you permission. And it's ok that you got riled up, when you get older it's easier to manage your emotions as testosterone increases. If you work out that is.
Ok so do christians fornicate?
Yes
Do christians have gay marriages in churches? Do christians puberty block their children? Do Christians have pride parades?
Prots do. Debatable about how Christian they are.
But you have decided to miss the point in the entire opposite direction. Unsurprising, since your dishonesty knows no bounds. The reason your worship of muhammad is relevant is because you have routinely attempted to dismiss Christianity on the grounds that Christians "worship some dude." This demonstrates you are a hypocrite.
If I had tried to dismiss islam on the grounds that muds often fornicate, then you would be right to point out my hypocrisy. But I didn't do that.
moron can't refute anything
If you're Euro, Christianity will have a deeper cultural connection.
Belief in a higher power and a desire to connect with it is part of the human psyche. Religions are methods and a framework to facilitate it. The connection is what is important, not the trappings.
If you have to ask the question, you probably can't handle the truth.
All religions are fake including quack sciences such as virology.
It is all about the top percentage of bloodlines, controlling the lowest-common denominators.
truth?
If you believe in fairy tales such as a flying horse, apparently, Mohammad had a flying horse.
en.wikipedia.org
If you believe 8 year old girls (if you were to have a daughter) should marry a grown man, and have sex at age 9, then apparently that is just what 54 year old Mohammad (who is a perfect role-model for Muslim men) did with Aishah.
muslimrebuttals.com
But when do we worship the prophet? If anyone does that he isn't a Muslim anymore. That literally takes you outside of Islam. In Islam, worshipping a man is worse than any other sin you can think of
That was actually my advice
lol look at this lying moron. You literally told me thanks for the advice. It was my advice.
And it's ok that you got riled up
NO U!!!!
Awww poor little baby has to pretend it didn't run away from the argument as soon as I insulted it. Fussy baby got so riled up over words.
Adorable!
Next time, just don't pretend that Talmud means only that one cursed evil Talmud kikes follow today.
Did you miss the part where I said in private?
They act nice to your face so they get what they want.
I was just poetically being sarcastic when I said thanks for the advice, since I'm the one who originally told you to relax. I can see that you're still clenching. Take it easy bud you can develop hemorrhoids like that.
no muslim has ever followed islam
I mean... fascinating admission. I'll take your word for it. Not sure that's gonna be as helpful in prostelization as you think.
All of them are as bad as psosible, it's just hidden, that's why you cannot see
Yeah, right.
Go ahead show me where we worship the prophet. You've taken this stance as some very odd gotcha but it's news to Muslims that we worship anyone other than the one worthy of worship, Allah.
poor little baby has to pretend it didn't run away from the argument as soon as I insulted it.
Fussy baby got so riled up over words.
Adorable
You lied about literally everything and couldn't defend a word of it. You're most likely a jew intentionally pretending to be a Christian to poison the well.
At least the riled up Muslim retard only lied about 2 or 3 things. You're so transparent
I have demonstrated where repeatedly. And after no less than nine posts of me asking you to address it you finally decided to. And conceded that I'm right. You just had some mealy-mouthed excuse about how you are not "supposed to."
Why you're trying to pretend you don't remember that exchange, I can't imagine.
If it helps you sleep at night then go ahead. But I still have no idea where you get this idea from. You've made an assumption and declared victory without any substantiation. Alright good for you I guess. And for some reason you think you have a right to my replies and attention.
To my Muslim brothers and sisters, assalamualaikum.
There's nothing to refute here.
God states he's not a man and I agree, you're the one refuting this with mental gymnastics that kikes can only dream of.
Wa lankum assalam akhi.
God states he's not a man and I agree
And Muhammad (you too actually) probably stated he wasn't a pedophile until he molested a kid.
Chronology isn't "mental gymnastics" you dumb jew
You're a moron that can't refute what I said. Simple as.
you didn't substantiate your claim even though I acknowledged you doing so and conceded that you were right
Lol.
World's smartest jeet.
World's most honest jeet.
Take care.