If you identify as an atheist in the year of our Lord 2025 you are beyond retarded. I have more respect for Agnostics because at least they are aware there is some higher form of power that is beyond human rationale, but atheists are pure nihilists that it's actually sad how they think.
"HURR THERE IS NO GOD, EVERYTHING CAN BE EXPLAINED BY SCIENCE HURR"
Science also used to be tied with religion, many scientists were religious and they tried to understand how God intended things to work.
No evidence of any god existing, plenty of evidence disproving the bible
Science also used to be tied with religion, many scientists were religious and they tried to understand how God intended things to work.
apperantly christcucks are retarded
If you don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster in 2025
It’s the new religion for dumb people who think school made them smart
Ok. Why do you have circumcision then?
post any of these evidences you love so much
There is no such thing as an "agnostic". Agnostic is a modifier. You can be an agnostic atheist, and agnostic theist, and agnostic believer in elves. But just "agnostic" is not anything.
Existence of India alone is enough to disprove god. And taking into account the thousands of other abominations that are allowed to exist, its clear that no entity that deserves the title of god exists.
At this moment, I am euphoric.
Such as?
On another note, how would the system for observing natural phenomena (science) be able to make any assumptions on the supernatural?
So all the christian scientists that contributed to science and made us understand how things work are retarded? Okay bro
Let me guess, you think because there is murder, rape and all vile things existing in this world means God doesn't exist?
RELIGION! because thinking for yourself is hard.
Nah, it means God isn't benevolent.
But personally I just lack belief in God or gods
It’s the new religion
Nah. Just a lack of belief in God or gods
why did God make niggers?
christcucks cannot answer this in a satisfactory manner.
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Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!
This. Bugmen really are the most brainwashed neo-religious woke cathedralites you will stumble upon out in the wild
Wtf are you talking about
The bible is a historical record and most of it was proven, even insane stuff like the parting of the red sea, we can argue about "Moses caused the split of the red sea", but it literally happened, there is archeological evidence this was happening around the exact time the Bible dates it.
Most of the stuff that was happening as described in the Bible did happen, it's just who was or wasn't involved or what natural causes caused them is not clear.
Even for an atheist this is a retarded position to take.
I believe the gods are tied to your blood, Jesus really was the saviour of the jews, and Yahweh's realm is barren, with a fuck ton of people who don't belong there standing outside the pearly gates wondering why they're not allowed in with the god of Israel's chosen people.
EVERYTHING CAN BE EXPLAINED BY SCIENCE HURR
then pls explain placebo effect and fully describe its impact on human life
crickets chirp
Anyway I know Christians are dummy dummy dumbs buy I won't talk shit in a Muslim neighborhood.
I haven't seen one atheist or anti Christ withstand criticism the way Christianity has on this board. It's been almost a year since the coordinated spam and not one thread has pointed out Christianity is an appeal to emotion at its heart. I can count on one hand the number of high IQ enlightening posts and they were all pro Christian. I'm done until another happening, but if hearing about a child rapist politician getting dick cancer is not proof of Godlike justice, how far must a God show you until you believe?
THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY JEWS IN ROME TO SUBJUGATE THE NORTHERN EUROPEAN CELTIC TRIBES. IF YOU STILL BELIEVE THIS SHIT YOU ARE A GOOD GOY
scientists were religious when not being religious was punishable by death.
But its the atheists that are retarded. Sure.
Enjoy your golem faith invented by jews to control the goys you fucking goy
You sound like you lost an argument to someone.
The ordered structure of existence makes the existence of some form of higher power a much more logical conclusion than the opposite.
"Moses caused the split of the red sea"
No evidence a Moses ever existed or that the Exodus actually happened
Agnostics because at least they are aware there is some higher form of power that is beyond human rationale
those are deists not agnostics silly
Existence of India alone is enough to disprove god
Not necessarly. It only disproves a benevolent god.
I haven't seen one atheist or anti Christ withstand criticism the way Christianity has on this board
Right, the Anon Babble Christian usually leaps to ad homs and strawman when criticism hits them
Based
No evidence 99,99% of people ever existed, much less an ex prince of Israelite descent in 13th century BCE.
Unless you were a mummyfied emperor, there is zero evidence anyone ever lived until a few years about Jesus died (who we have an extreme amount of evidence for, more than we realistically should have for some wandering preacher from ancient Palestine).
one question. dinosaurs...
zero evidence anyone ever lived until a few years about Jesus died (who we have an extreme amount of evidence for
No lol
picrel seems unlikely to me, sorry that you don't understand why its a bit ridiculous
also seems unlikely, sorry if you don't understand why it seems farfetched
If only they actually understood any of the science they're always going on about.
99.9% of people are totally retarded. That's all there is to say.
EVERYTHING CAN BE EXPLAINED BY SCIENCE
You would indeed be foolish to have such a grossly uninformed opinion.
As for you, sir, you seem wholly incapable of nuance, which is likely why your mind is still trapped by ancient dogmas.
What about that fake and gay shit
If your dealing with adolescents it's just being contrarian. As you get older you should be contemplating a little bit deeper on the subject. Then the most truthful statement becomes I don't know, because no one does unequivocally. To hold your nose in the air like you are enjoying a particularly pungent fart while being a condescending asshole won't get you very far. But if you are an empty vessel it's all you need. Self aggrandizement and delusions of grandeur.
I have mad skills in Roblox.
plenty of evidence disproving the bible
So? There is plenty of shit that really happened in it too.
40+ year old atheist here and I don't give a fuck about your shitty opinions.
Nigger, your shitty opinions are all you have an an atheist you oblivious fag.
its in the Bible so it must have happened
None of it ever fucking happened.
snakes don't talk you big jew worshipper
unicorns and dragons don't exist either
they preference convenient lies over hard truths because the truth requires humility and self-denial. they're fine with being delusional as long as they're convenient over living with the truth.
boohoo believe my personal feelings
Youre the fag from the other thread lol
There's actually no historical records from the time of Jesus that record his existence. You would think someone that allegedly walked on water (a shitty magic trick and oldest in the book) would have made it to the historical archieves.
can a man become a woman? because the concept goes against the natural law of science.
The supernatural is not real cause it's not natural.
There's more evidence for God existing than for him not existing.
I can’t be too hard on the people you’re meaning by “atheists” since modern Christianity is an absurd Caiaphasish scam and it’s right to point that out
Which God?
your lifestyle is unnatural and illogical yet it still exists and you still have confidence in it despite it being considered abnormal/unnatural by the majority.
Anon, thanks for the image. I will deliver it to the appropriate parties in September.
Nigger Heil Hitler
There is no evidence for atheist being smart.
My parents are benevolent but they still let me go to that party and do drugs and fuck up my brain even though they told me not to.
you can't argue with stupid
Here's someone who thinks they've never and will never be wrong. Thinking for oneself is what gets teenagers pregnant, my parents divorced, and niggers put in prison.
you can't argue with stupid
correct, and stupidity or foolishness is a choice
Ps 94:8 Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise?
but they still let me go to that party and do drugs and fuck up my brain even though they told me not to.
Are you an adult in this scenario?
Lmao you are a retard, the one and only God who we call God. You know which one. Let's be clear then. JESUS CHRIST. You know who He is. You just hate Him too much to acknowledge it. Here come the 2010 tier whining arguments
You think God gives a shit if you're an adult? He's God. We're like fetuses compared to him. That's my point. You can be benevolent and still allow bad things to happen. God's always trying to communicate with us and warn us of danger, but because of the nature of the world and because we have free will, bad things will always happen.
ghosts aren't real jew worshipper
a man cannot become a woman, trannies deserve the rope
The big one.
Jesus is a fi tional character in a shitty plagiarized story written for political reasons by the most manipulative race of hooked nose baby eaters on the planet.
The most fake and gay psyop ever told
Here's someone who thinks they've never and will never be wrong.
That's how religion works but not science. Being wrong is a great thing. This is how we learn something new. And we should always test what we think we know. This is how we progress our understanding of the world. This is a process that can make religious folks very uncomfortable.
your confidence in yourself is unmerited therefore it's not real because you have no justification for it
which one?
So your favorite one?
the one who loves justice which you hate
You think God gives a shit if you're an adult?
Can you answer the question?
Lmao you are a retard, the one and only God who we call God. You know which one. Let's be clear then. JESUS CHRIST.
Ah, so your favorite one. Which you borrowed from someone else.
ok which one would that be?
Knowledge is beneath God. If it does not exist, God can just make it.
as if your brand of atheism and your defence of it through personal attacks are original, you hypocrite
the one who loves justice which you hate. the One who believes in eternal judgment.
Name every person who walked on earth. Nah I'll make it easy, name every magician who ever walked on earth. No how about easier, name every magician who has had a following that in the first 30 years stayed under 200 people.
Just because there's no record (which of Jesus there are actually several) of someone existing doesn't mean he didn't exist. I'm not talking about plausibility, it's entirely possible. Entire civilizations have been lost and forgotten in the anals of time. Countless records have been purged by fire and pirates and colonizers.
Uh huh.
Knowledge is beneath God
This is an incredibly useless statement.
as if your brand of atheism
Atheism is just a lack of belief in God or gods
you cannot prove he doesn't exist
This is a fool's errand. I can say the same thing about the complete opposite of what you want to believe. We get no where. Reassess your beliefs.
you believe in your own self that's why you hate the idea of believing in God and reject the idea of God existing because it challenges your fragile confidence in yourself which is built on foundation made out of sand/dust
quotes from a Jewish psyop propaganda story written 2k yrs ago. lol
2025 christcucks are like the edgy atheists back in the 2010s. same type of annoying poster always nitpicking shit and pushing an ideology they don't even follow to the strict degree they try to convert others to.
and? atheism and the religion/belief system of rejection of God are older than christianity. the rabbis who killed Jesus were technically or spiritually atheists since they rejected Jesus who is God or they had lack of faith in Him.
Keep seething jew worshipper.
were you a former christian arguing with atheists in 2010? contrarianism doesn't make you unique, it just makes you look like trendy bandwagoning attention seeker.
Because nothing supernatural exists
Sounds good will do. In the meantime, stop claiming that a lack of evidence is all it takes to disprove something. A felon not being convicted due to a lack of evidence is not the same as being proved innocent. If they were the same thing, they'd call it the same thing. DISBELIEF due to a lack of evidence actually REQUIRES a measure of BELIEF. You have to choose to BELIEVE a certain side of the coin. And if you choose to accept the possiblity due to a lack of evidence, you also have to claim agnosticism and stop being a basedboy reddit atheist fag. Sorry.
discovering the wonders of science and biology should influence you believe that life and creation were not mere coincidence but planned by a very wise and creative CREATOR. maybe you're just hiding behind the name of science to justify your faith in your self and you probably don't know anything about science and biology.
Ah yes. Babe, when I cheated on you with your sister and tried to hide it for 5 years from you and the kids, I was wrong. But being wrong is a great thing babe! It means we're learning!
In reality, we can't afford to be wrong. It leads to misery. You have to take a leap of faith, Miles.
If we spent all day trying to disprove hypotheticals then we would get nowhere. Instead, we should put our energy into following what has the best evidence. Can you understand the difference? Why do you choose to put your focus in the former?
Let me put it this way, is there a single reason to be an atheist, to be believe that God does not exist?
Oh yeah my bad. In this scenario, I was a minor. I had a lot less knowledge than my parents and thus fell trap to the frivolous wiles of party culture. Similar to how God has a lot more knowledge than us and warns us of danger constantly. Do you have a counterpoint you would like to contribute to the overarching conversation?
pretty sure we have been laughing at you christmas cucks for at leat 2000 years
the existence of God is proven by the people who have faith in Him. you considering christians to be liars is not christians' fault but your own through you having trust issues.
Judaism, catholocism, and islam, are all even worse than atheism.
Not desiring to lie to yourself to cope with the fear of death and the reality that life is meaningless and morality doesn't exist
you believe in your own self
As everyone should. People are much stronger than they give themselves credit for
you hate the idea of believing in God
Not at all. I just think vicarious redemption is lazy and nigger tier
NO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND YOU'RE RETARDED IF YOU DONT WORSHIP MY JEWISH GOD AND BELIEVE IN MY JEWISH FAIRYTALES
lol. LMAO even.
is there a single reason to be an atheist
Frees up a lot of time and energy to focus on things that have at least some evidence for existing.
no you haven't, and those unbelievers who did 2000 years would crucify you with Jesus. there is not unity among atheists, you probably bait and try to demoralize your fellow atheists in this thread on other racial/national/gender bait threads.
no the bible is real
muh virgin birth
talking snakes
all humans descending from two humans while not being an inbred fucking mess
talking burning bush
Noah parting the red see
Noah somehow making a mating pair of every animal on earth fit in a boat
lol. LMAO even.
Straight up, there's more of a conversation to be had about evidence of God, most of which can be brushed aside, but there still is more evidence than "he doesn't exist cuz I can't detect him". If you wanna follow detectable evidence, you'd have to choose the side that actually HAS something.
The only reason to be an atheist is because you worship yourself and believe your own autonomy is more important than objective truth and morality. They're all possessed by Shaytan and his Jinn soldiers
>you believe in your own self
As everyone should. People are much stronger than they give themselves credit for
your own parents don't believe in you so why should i? they know you better than i do, and they consider you not worth believing in.
Being an atheist doesn’t mean you ‘believe god doesn’t exist’ it means you recognize that there is no evidence of one. You don’t need to believe in anything period, one way or the other. There is only the acceptance of evidence when it is presented, and the complete withholding of all assumption or position when it is not.
If you're gonna focus on practicality, then isn't it still better to believe?
Cause it's infinitely retarded to risk eternal damnation.
the reality that life is meaningless and morality doesn't exist
Not a reality, can't call it a reality because there's no way to know if that's real. And what you've stated actually seems like a good reason to believe in God.
your own parents don't believe in you
I don't need the too either :^)
I'm responsible for my actions. Simple as
If you wanna follow detectable evidence, you'd have to choose the side that actually HAS something.
From what I have seen, arguments for God fall into two categories. Philosophy, which isn't evidence, and leaps of faith which follow along the lines of, "we don't know, therefore God" - also known as the God-of-the-gabs fallacy.
thinking about what comes after death is a waiste of life. stop pushing this magical hoodoo bs on us and try thinking for yourself.
religion is used to control the masses just like money and military might. at least with religion you can just not believe in it and it will loose its grip on you.
You made all the schizoids seethe eternally
So if i found verses in the bible that support the idea that religion is a strawman because the law of God is only meant to identify Jesus and anyone else being used as the measured standard including your own judgement in that regard is essentially not what the book is suggesting and is actually evidence of Satan, of which would be using religion to gatekeep the simplicity of the gospel. Using people's actions and deeds to slander Jesus by misreprsenting what he said, while the people who subscribe to religion are trying to become God themselves. While this moves to either make apostates or reprobates that were damaged by religious upbringing or atrocities committed by it.
Because the entire book elaborates this, and religion is something atheists know exists. Its not something without modern physical evidence to prove exists. Even Christianity contains religion, and the book accounts for this too. Your favorite punching bag is now evidence for the devil's existence and you have no excuse.
I just don't personify nature and reality as some kike who worries about my foreskin.
seems kind of schizophrenic
This anon gets it
Religion is used to control the masses, but rest assured, the people ruling over us are not atheists
If you identify as an atheist in the year of our Lord 2025 you are beyond retarded
You are pathetic with this manipulative language
Your reasons are nothing more than a childish drivel
then there's no justification for your faith in your own self yet you still keep it and parade around with it, that's called being delusional. you keeping your faith despite not having a justification for it makes you delusional in the eyes of many.
Cause it's infinitely retarded to risk eternal damnation.
There's no evidence that such a place exists. A wager based on nothing has no weight. Besides, several religions make exclusive claims that damn outsiders, so you'd have to roll the dice on that one also. It's all just a waste of time at best.
he actually thinks ghosts, angels and demons are real
imagine worshipping jews this hard
You didn’t even read the bible. Every Abrahamic manuscript is full of loopholes and retarded shit that can be easily disproven.
and religion is something atheists know exists.
And I'd argue a necessity for society
he believes in himself despite being and knowing who he is IN TRUTH
then there's no justification for your faith in your own self
There is, its called personal responsibility.
How do you disprove allegory with science?
So you'd willfully advocate for something that is known to conspire against someone who was innocent of the charges against him? and this is good for society?
he thinks Dinosaur fossils are fake
Body Type: Rather Not Say
But that's just appealing to ignorance though.
Using words to make sense of a few commonalities about existence doesn't imply a control of existence itself. Only the most arrogant, ignorant humanists think that science means that everything in existence is controllable and predictable simply because it is known.
Ghosts and demons are so easily real. It blows my mind that there are actually people out there who have never had a supernatural experience
keeps babbling about truth
while believing in, and defending jewish fairytales
Nigger please.
You don’t need to, because allegory isn’t evidence for anything.
he believes that he's responsible for his life through his choices and he's still PROUD OF IT
Unironically yes. Some choices lead to mistakes from which I learn from, make amends and move on.
You don't do this?
a jewish fairytale involves believing that jews are God's chosen people which i don't believe it and consider to be a delusional idea/concept.
It's not meant to be evidence, it's an allegory. It's purpose is to provide moral guidance. The interchangeable parts aren't really that important, it could be complete fiction and still provide moral structure.
I have never once in my life experienced anything that I could even remotely call a supernatural experience.
it's a fools errand to talk the mentally unwell out of their beliefs.
still, i think christians need up their game if they want to win the religion dance battle.
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yeah i do not because i don't have comprised and convenient morality and standard
look at all the retarded indoctrination poster kids seething at the fpbp
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jews are God's chosen people which i don't believe it and consider to be a delusional idea/concept.
Me too lol
The only reason believers believe is due to their enormous egos. The o ly people who really are believing in themselves are religoius people. All the evidence you need to say God exists is "i feel it". And this is all you always claim. No atheist ever will be such egocentrist like the weakest believer.
And which God is the right one? Every single egotic believer will surely tell you - his God is real, the one he praises. As they do not believe in God. They only believe in themselves and their own delusions. As did the writer of their holy scripture. Mad men in love with themselves go around and preach that everyone else is wrong.
And you still have a nerve to claim people who do not do that are religiously believing in theemselves.
What does responsibility for your own actions actually entail? Without a belief in divine justice, there is no such thing as responsibility. How can you be responsible for actions that are lawbreaking if there's no law?
Example: you might say a man who murders a woman and never stands trial due to a lack of evidence is still responsible for his actions. How? No one is coming after him. His soul isn't tainted because he has no soul. He sleeps well at night knowing that woman deserved it. He has no responsibility. He is responsible for her death, but that holds absolutely no weight.
In the case that divine justice does exist, he truly is responsible for his actions. He will undoubtedly stand at a judgement bar and there will be a punishment weighed on his soul.
yeah i do not
Damn. People who lack introspection are literal NPCs
so you think the ruling class believes in this based on what? also why would I care what they believe in you retard. Just shut up, you stupid nigger
Proverbs 10:12
Hate stirreth up strifes, but love defeateth all sins
What does responsibility for your own actions actually entail?
See
Some choices lead to mistakes from which I learn from, make amends and move on.
Pretty simple
And which God is the right one?
The one, and the reveals himself through most religions
due to their enormous egos.
Religion slandering God as intended.
I don’t care about its moral guidance or benefits thereof to society. I care about the true factual nature of existence and the mechanisms by which it operates, whatever that may be. Relating that back to humanity isn’t relevant.
it influences me to humble myself instead of becoming proud because i believe in God's righteous and pure morality. your morality doesn't require sacrifice and humility because you prefer convenience over the truth.
Maybe because there are pictures of them burning giant owl statutes, idk
It's okay to not understand the purpose, but it doesn't change its intent. You want to run purely on hard evidence. Go ahead. It doesn't change what I said in any way. You live in a society which encompasses that moral structure. You already accept it.
being an atheist is very easy and convenient that's why impressionable teenagers are attracted to it.
Organized religion is a ponzi scheme. It’s basically a litmus test to see if you are a total NPC with no autonomy or not. All those organized religions have the identical common practices that are used to lure the gullible retards into following their cultish doctrines. You have to be a total double digit IQ to not realize this in the common year. Also the confirmation bias of religious zealots is impenetrable because they are way too conformed by their delusions to the point they will lose their minds if they ever admit that they were wrong.
People claim to have seen Jesus and Mohammed and Mother Mary. Many of them trustworthy people.
Others claim to have visions of God. I'd say a sizeable amount of people have a story where they've seen a miracle or a ghost.
The Quaran miraculously and nearly impossibly exists, as does the Book of Mormon.
There's lots out there, you just don't care to look for it nor weigh the possibility of it.
We can hold ourselves to the same standards that you think require an exterior god to do so.
name 1 thing that atheism requires you to sacrifice so you could preserve your belief in it, just one
Why does that matter. Religion requires you to sacrifice being a bad person. Just as I said, that's what you don't want to do
your own redemption
Yes but the moral structure does not require anything other than people thinking it has value for it to have value. You do not need to attach a religion to the morals.
Consistency, honesty.
I mean, I think you should stip yourself naked for starters.
Whatever cope helps you get by bud
Atheism is just a lack of belief in God or gods. It has no position on sacrifice or morality anon
?? Not all mistakes are owned up to (read what I wrote)
No one has ‘belief’ in atheism. Belief is irrelevant in a system based solely on evidence.
i'm just saying that taking pride in your atheism when it doesn't even require sacrifice, work and effort to believe in is very narcissistic and lazy. easy ego boost and sense of superiority for a price of none.
Cont.
You also have to believe that humans have no inherent value and dignity.
That we are just matter in motion.
Their values only go so far as how they can benefit you.
It's rather psycopathic and sociopathic, don't you think?
People have had consistent morality prior to being indoctrinated by Jewish fairy tales.
What does atheism require you to sacrifice
Moral convictions
Most atheists fail to understand nihilism is the logical conclusion of no god
Who ever said we had pride in our atheism or gained a sense of superiority about it?
Not all mistakes are owned up to
Why?
believing in the idea of God not existing is a belief/concept and it takes blind faith to believe in it. religion is made up of beliefs and line-up with each other or it's a belief system.
Only Christians can do it for the sake of goodness as we are made in the image if God, to reflect him.
atheists can only do it for their selfish gains.
atheism allows the user to feel as if they have outsmarted a lot of other people, that the are above others and that because there is no god that means as a human they are the most powerful being in this world.
they call themselves logical and free thinkers but they never apply the same reasoning and questioning to things they are taught in school ie. astronomy, history. its only the bible thats false
You theists seem really stuck on this idea that just because something hasn't been disproven then you ought to believe in it.
believing in the idea of God not existing is a pack of belief/concept
Ftfy
have you ever looked in the spiritual mirror through self-reflection or talked to an atheist especially a terminally online one?
Not at all. Us having no inherent value makes it all the more important for humanity, as a whole, to actively choose to instill value in ourselves by our own will and without the intervention of any outside force. I think humanity can be autogenerative of its own value.
That’s your own strawman. You can still be an NPC if you are atheist if you miss the point of it all. Real atheists acknowledge the fact that organized religion are romanticized ponzi schemes aimed to lure you in for spiritual enlightenment in exchange of monetary gain. There is no organized religion that doesn’t operate on donations and funds.
you dont have to donate to a church or even attend one to be religious
We really really can't. How often does the American, or any justice system actually work? How often do well meaning and honest people lie in order to appease or get ahead? How often have you done something that you only realized later was terribly wrong and there's no way to atone?
There's to many factors for us to be able to hold ourselves accountable, let alone each other. There's too much unfairness and differing points of view and everyone just wants to do what they think is right.
Only a divine point of view can make sense of it all, deal out justice, and give counsel on the TRUE best way to live.
science doesn't prove the nonexistence of God that's why not all scientist are atheists or subscribe to atheism or agnosticism, and it's because believing in God is a preference. we either see the Creator in creation or we don't through our preference of wanting and not wanting to see Him.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Imagine the first redditor.
He was Jewish and he created and wrote the Talmud
I'd consider myself agnostic but I think if there is a god it's a nigger.
When it comes to the nature of the universe and existence I don’t ’believe’ anything. There is only verifiable evidence or there is not.
imagine being so scared of Jewish propaganda that you force yourself to believe any random shit they say for thousands of years
theists are confused on morality
they don't think morals are logical
and fear, an irrational response, is more useful for ensuring morality of some for is upheld
I disagree, morality is logical and someone's tulpa just obscures the actual goal they claim to have.
You don’t because you pay taxes for them hence why I haven’t only said donations. Christianity is a huge religion that is deeply rooted in your culture. Same with Islam here. They are all stealing from tax payers while living lavishly in their private lives.
Just pointing out your fallacy, not my fault that atheists much too often use it, also it's not that it has not been disproven, it cannot be disproven.
creation is the proof of the Creator
no creation = no creator
All of these claims contradict each other though, which should make you question the accuracy of such types of claims.
is society the illusion of the penalty for breaking the law, or the penalty of believing the law exists?
Thanks for the advice, but Christ is king, and I will be with him on Judgment day. Until then I will lead my life and thank God for the blessings and privilege he gave me.
Believe what you will, God gave us all a choice, and I chose to accept Jesus in my heart. Amen
they never apply the same reasoning and questioning to things they are taught in school
They should though. Questioning is the basis of all intellectual advancement. Atheism wouldn't exist without it.
That's impersonating Christians for personal gains.
Fucking duh. But at least you can't say there isn't ANY viable evidence.
I didn't make a fallacy. Calling something a fallacy doesn't make it a fallacy. But I understand way you want to paint it that way in your own mind. Regardless, there are many opportunities to reflect honestly on things and leave your ego out of it.
But what if that divine point of view really does not exist, despite how nice it would be if it did? In that case our best efforts really are all we have, so it’s important to strive towards that ideal even if we never reach it.
You speak of the TRUE best way to live but the various religions of the world can’t even begin to agree on that, so how is relying on that any better than relying on ourselves?
They were all schizophrenic ramblings. Funny how superstitious phenomenons ceased to exist as we became a lot more capable in recording events with cameras and computers. You could have made any retard believe in anything in the antiquity/middle east since the average person was an illiterate retard. We also didn’t have the printing press or any scientific evidence for most things which made deception a lot more convenient
that doesn't rule out that there could be more than one creator
Identifies as a contrarian, atheist.
Accuses others of ego issues.
how you define "nature" is probably the biblical definition of the concept of God the Creator because the bible says that God is life itself.
no life (spiritual death) = no God
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Acts 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
It's hearsay. There is no way to test these claims.Without a way to validate them, they are not evidences.
I started to question science when the Star Wars movies started looking more real than the NASA footage
based on your own skepticism.
Funny how superstitious phenomenons ceased to exist as we became a lot more capable in recording events with cameras and computers
this is blatantly false. You have confirmation bias, as do the people who recorded that data graph that you read on this board forever ago that inspired you to post this sophistry.
my ego says they're contrarian to poison the well
Lol
In that case, we employ the "better safe than sorry" principle. Finding a religion that best portrays how you view morality is safer for the potential salvation of your soul than going solo.
but what about all the downsides to religion?
Honestly (this is just my experience speaking) there's more benefits than downsides. And usually, what I perceive to be downsides end up actually being better for my well-being in the long run.
What is your proof of that? You would not say that the apple is a creation of the apple tree, nor the apple tree a creation of the seed within the apple. They are not separate entities, but rather one continuous process. The separation of creator/creation is a false dichotomy that only exists in our minds as a form of philosophical bookkeeping, and is not present in the real physical world.
It’s not false. Literally every single supernatural event/story captured by a camera is a hoax.
I don’t understand what you mean by this.
This is the most braindead piece of logic I've read on here (and I'm on the pro-God side)
Meanwhile, jersey drones.
You don't NEED to believe in God to make claims about metaphysical shit.
Again, confirmation bias.
Atheism, like paganism, is just a jewish trick to drive you away from Christ
the ones ruling over you are jewish. they belive in there own gods. same with saudis beling in mohamed. brother in christ. relegion is just a tool of control. no one gives a shit chritcucks are getting etchnicly cleansed . and most of you would perfer a nigger christian than a white nationalistic athists.
Finding a religion that best portrays how you view morality is safer for the potential salvation of your soul than going solo.
In this sentence you basically admit that morality really is generated within people, and not a divine creator.
the "better safe than sorry" principle
Then it's just a game of kneeling to the biggest imagined threat. Many atheist would point out that this made up fear traps and controls many believers. In reality, your life is deprived by playing such games.
no u
you are a literal npc. you arent even worth of having a convo with lol
do want to believe in God? does you idea of the Creator is someone who would force Himself on you without your consent or someone who is insecure about His own person that He needs YOU to believe in Him for His own sake and not for your own? i wanted to believe in God and in His existence and He showed Himself to me in a way that only i but not others could understand because every human is an individual in His eyes. desire to believe in God's existence and He will show Himself to you that only you but not others could understand and believe.
I literally never claimed not to have it, you're just insinuating that people that don't believe in God blatantly don't and thats patently false. You trying to belittle people who subscribe to the book is admittedly funny because i know you were informed by that new atheism graph that circulated on this board several hundred times in shill threads.
you are a literal npc. you arent even worth of having a convo with lol
don't tag my post then, liar
religius npcs are legit worthless to talk to . just treat them as children .
Yeah they're all made up. All except for the one you think is right.
I jest. In my faith all religions are in one way or another inspired by God in some capacity and therefore are better than nothing. The one I'm in is the right one tho. But at the final judgement God won't judge you at all for joining the wrong religion. You thought it was the right one and there were a lot of other factors. He gets it.
treat them as children
as in treat them with care right? or are you a child abuser, you hypocrite?
OP literally called me a retard and started a flame war without ever speaking to me prior. Now you are claiming that i was the one instigating it all and belittling you people in the process when OP started it all in the first place. Lol You are all the biggest crybabies ever.
Tradcaths are the new neckbeards
Wanting or not wanting to believe in god is irrelevant. How could you say he’s real if the only way to ‘know’ that is to choose to believe it? A fact is only a fact if you are forced to accept its voracity through its merits and the preponderance of evidence, even if you personally would want it to be different.
Atheism is lack of belief in gods nothing more. It does not preclude beliefs in general and has nothing whatsoever to do with evidence. An atheist can believe in ghosts or magic for example and still be an atheist, since as I said atheism only concerns the lack of a god.
It is belief in the inexistence of gods.
the mistake atheists make is that they take the obviously falseness of the torah as proof there is no god
the mistake christcucks make is they take the obvious evidence of intelligent design as proof the torah is true
That’s the thing though. Something that is only real because I want it to be real, isn’t actually real.
An atheist can’t believe in the supernatural because belief in superstitions is fundamentally against his ideology. Debunking the superstitions is the biggest asset to disprove religious dogmas anyway.
some people are content with this world being the only observable reality that's why they don't have the desire to seek out ideas and realities beyond it such the idea and the reality of an invisible God, similar to the people who think space exploration and finding a new earth are waste of time and resources because they're content with their life on this planet and solar system.
small mind = small world
Sorry bro I just don’t believe in your jewish desert demon.
If all the signs point to right now being 6 o'clock and my favorite restaurant that opens at 6 being open, I'm gonna go there and try to get some delicious food. Doesn't matter if it actually is open or if today it's closed for some reason or if my clock is wrong, I'm still going. All shall be revealed when I get there. That's called faith and it's how I choose to live my life based on the experiences I've had.
Religious people are the only ones that are content with this world. Most of you believe in flat earth and think space isn’t real lmao. I assure you none of the astrophysicists are abrahamicucks.
not the ones who believe in the concept of Heaven and the afterlife
That's not faith actually. Your judgement is based on the repeated experiment that going to the restaurant at 6 means it will be open.
That’s some funny backpedaling. Anyway i am done wasting my time here.
Now you’re putting ideas in my head that I haven’t espoused. This universe being the only reality we have observed does not mean it is the only observable reality. We just have no evidence of any others. Being evidence based doesn’t mean you don’t seek out new information, it just means you withhold all judgement and suppositions until you do have the evidence. I’m a total Trekkie and would love nothing more than humanity taking its place among the stars, etc. This reality we live in is magnificent, and it’s perfectly possible to be romantic about it and attach the same values to it that religious people do to god/ the supernatural.
Atheism is not an ideology. Atheists can have ideologies, but atheism itself is not one. Atheism is like Theism. It would be nonsense to say that theism itself is an ideology, specific religions have/are ideologies, but the concept of theism itself does not. I suppose the difficulty with atheism is there are not any well organized atheistic belief systems so there are no words for the various ideologies an atheist might have.
Yeah what this guy said
You just described empiricism
What about astronauts who understand space more than you and me and still believe in God?
yeah, it's the desire to seek out other locations and realities will open us up to them and to their reality, it's similar to seeking God, without the incentive to know Him then He wouldn't show Himself to us. you probably had the subconscious desire to know God that's why we're having this conversation right now.
Atheists only seem like retards to idiot christians who can't grok that they are circumcised spiritual cock-gobblers. Atheists are more likely to be individualists and self sufficient. Atheist statists/communists are not Atheist as they replace the church with the state (both are piss poor). Don't be a 'joiner'/jew, don't join temples, communes, or states!
I could suck your schlong rn
You just described empiricism
Something alien to religious belief.
the level of dumbass goalpost moving you expect from christcucks
the bible is the word of god
There's no proof that anything supernatural in the bible actually happened
um actually its just an allegory
Then it's not the word of god.
believes in the supernatural
Man I can believe that guy doesn't dig empiricism
"HURR THERE IS NO GOD, EVERYTHING CAN BE EXPLAINED BY SCIENCE HURR"
Science is almost the very definition of finding a usable explanation! If you cannot think of conditions which would prove your theory/theology incorrect, you cannot be doing science.
Yes that was my point.
Any system that has a basis in an idea is an ideology. You don’t need a pages long manifesto to claim something is an ideology. As for atheism it’s disbelief in superstition itself.
Atheism is a position that denies the existence of gods, but it's not inherently an ideology. While atheists may hold various personal belief systems or ideologies, atheism itself is simply the lack of belief in theism.
If god loves us why does his book insist that we worship him
Why does he even have fucking book
Where are you getting this idea that atheism precludes superstition in general. Every single definition of the word only mentions god.
atheism is a religion as in a belief system which is why atheists proselytize it or evangelize it to non-atheists
So even to this day science cannot explain dreams, or how the human brain fully works. Does that mean it doesn't exist? Or how people were flatlined during surgery for 10 seconds before the heart started beating again? Or what about our self awareness? How are you able to recognize that you are here and breathing? Who gave you that self consciousness? Or if nobody gave you, how did that come to fruition? Why are we not like other animals that only follow their instinct and don't actually ponder in philosophical questions?
atheism is a religion
Nope
Im agnostic when it comes to this spaghetti monster. Look how smart I am.
If god loves us why does his book insist that we worship him
so that He could supply us the grace or be in s state of grace which is a state of being full of joy. God wants us to praise so we be full of joy and praise or so that we could be full of life/not lifeless or miserable/not full of praise.
John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.
It’s debatable. But any idea that has a fundamental basis can be considered an ideology. That’s essentially what an ideology in the first place. I would also wager and say atheism is not only having disbelief in deities but superstition itself. The concept of a god can only be reinforced by the ambiguous nature of supernatural phenomena. When there is no ambiguity the whole belief system shatters. That’s why Abrahamic religions survived and most pagan religions ceased to exist. Because pagan gods are perceived as physical deities that can be fought and defeated. It isn’t the same for the monotheistic God of the Abrahamic religions. It’s a being that is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. You can’t top that. There can’t be anything that is superior in the hierarchy hence why it’s ambiguous. People fear the unknown the most.
so that He could supply us the grace or be in s state of grace which is a state of being full of joy
Why does this matter to a supposed self-sufficient and all powerful being?
God wants
Lol
Read my new post and you will understand what i am getting at.
It’s debatable
It isn't. Atheism is simply a response to a claim. You claim your favorite flavor of god is real and I lack belief in that.
God is a good caring Father who only wants what's best for His children. God is just that's why He needs justification for His rewards for us.
A response that has a fundamental idea as it’s basis hence why it’s an ideology, which essentially what an ideology is.
God gave you free will and you are free to choose to deny him and lead your life the way it is.
doesn't know about the war in the heavens
ngmi
The exact same thing applies to Atheism lmao
free to choose
but one of these choices will result in an eternity of the worst torture imaginable
rmyt
I don't want salvation
waaah why am I judged to burn eternally in hell
God gave you free will
Nah, he gave me an ultimatum. There is no such thing as free will with an omnipotent and omniscient being lording over you as his will always supercedes yours
God is a good caring Father who only wants what's best for His children
I don't believe you
hell's existence should influence us to get justified in receiving eternal rewards and going to Heaven, that's the entire purpose of its existence
I don't believe you
i know.
or rather, system for observing the material being used to try to observe the non-material
eyes that see and all that.
I think atheists have difficulty conceptualizing the abstract so they just dismiss it. I think they secretly know they're not as intelligent as they think, so they resort to mockery (durr invisible sky daddy) as cops.
COMMUNISM WILL WIN
A response that has a fundamental idea
Not necessarily as any God claim fails to me its bburden of proof to me..so I lack the belief. That can change to belief if I'm convinced enough
Agreed
That's how you see it, you are free to deny him. I will pray for you Anon, even if you don't believe in it.
waaah why am I judged to burn eternally in hell
Seems like a fair grievance. Why so quick to dismiss it?
it's just perspective. i see God's love in the concept of hell and you don't because you don't like the idea of the Creator being for you/not being against you and loving you.
Is that why most secular ideas are abstract? Even the modern art has it’s foundation on abstract ideas which is what you dislike. Not that i am fond of it either. But to make such a claim is being hypocritical at best.
i see God's love in the concept of hell
If you were in hell you wouldn't see it that way.
It’s just a stupid story to keep you in line so you don’t act like a monster in society. You are stupid and because of this prove to violence so you need the story of spooky bad place it was made for dangerous retards like you
That's how you see it, you are free to deny him
Cool, and I'm free to deny his punishment too
So even to this day science cannot explain dreams, or how the human brain fully works.
What are you on?
Does that mean it doesn't exist?
... my mistake, what were you supposed to be on?
Or how people were flatlined during surgery for 10 seconds before the heart started beating again?
I assume you mean OBE: vivid hallucinations.
Or what about our self awareness? How are you able to recognize that you are here and breathing?
I have a combination of neural systems that, when combined within the structural realities of time and space, permit me to have some sort of memory and retrospective sense which gives this feeling. The feeling that you can see your past actions and their consequences, and maybe influence your future unconscious actions in a retrospectively informed manner, is what underpins the illusion of free will.
Who gave you that self consciousness?
The error in your process creeps in here.
Or if nobody gave you, how did that come to fruition?
Evolution. Genetic algorithms. Algorithms we may not have discovered yet. Look what folding models have done to protein folding research lately.
Why are we not like other animals that only follow their instinct and don't actually ponder in philosophical questions?
Certain primates show more control than other mammals. Arguably Co-co had a higher intelligence quotient than the average African. Most mammals, I think, are stuck at around a human toddler's level of cognitive function, with some specialized advancements (kinesthetic, etc). They may not ponder like us because they lack a complex enough language and abstraction ability. We only really deal with a handful of objects in our active minds at any moment, it's the power of abstraction which permits us to put ideas into ideas like Matry0shka dolls.
what's your perspective on parental discipline?
it also gives people hope beyond this world and in the face of death.
what's your perspective on parental discipline?
My take is that I shouldn't assign infinite punishment for finite actions.
Beasts of the field
Divine punishment for turning away from God
Christianity is about self control. you just know nothing about it beyond reddit and your goy box slop.
it's bizarre how much unerring faith atheists have in science, medicine and government etc no matter how much corruption is exposed. Many Christians distrust the institutions that are man made but will still have faith in the above.
silly christfag
Divine punishment for turning away from God
If your godmeme punishes a nonbeliever, it is only through your hands that he is able. That's what makes your kind (the religious, the statist) so dangerous.
I am God.
Yes because you are a retard that can’t come up with that yourself you need these stupid stories because you are a npc. It’s obvious you would just kill yourself or hurt people if you didn’t have your fiction. You are like a deranged capeshit fan or something
Even if there was zero evidence of God existing I would believe. Too bad for the atheist ignoramous there is so much evidence to prove Jesus was real.
there is so much evidence to prove Jesus was real.
Not really
why don't more christians read the bible?
Matthew 6:6
when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray
The covid hoax proved just how wrong you are. Science has been amazingly easy to corrupt.
Almost as if belief in a higher authority is necessary to keep most people in check because they'd happily ruin millions of lives for a bigger paycheck.
all of existence and being able to contemplate it is evidence of one.
Discipline is supposed to teach you something, hell is an eternity. What will the guys born in shitholes learn who lived like rats and died like them too, that they should have been born in iceland instead?