Deflation is coming

Did you guys catch the latest PPI report?

Oh, you missed it? Let me share that,
investing.com/analysis/ppi-surprise-is-deflation-the-next-big-threat-to-markets-200660881

DEFLATION IS COMING

Yes, goods have not fallen in price in the US, but there was a massive downfall in the demand for services.

Unlink China who increased exports by 8% during the trade war, the US lost its largest customer for services and after the trade war is over, its still lost.

peepee report

anon, you okay anon?

prices keep going down

oh nooooo what are we gonna do??????!11?
anyway...

Good

no one has ever been able to explain to my why deflation is bad for basics like groceries
i understand how it’s bad for capital, loan heavy purchases like cars and homes, but why is deflation bad for groceries? no ones going to put off buying groceries because prices are going down

THE PRICES ARE TOO LOW SIR PLZ STOP

If it were goods prices going down, it'd be all good, but it's all services going down.

so i’ll put off getting a massage because it’ll be cheaper a year from now?

I have never once seen a Jew in my entire life. And I know for a fact, none live near me. I don't give a single shit about what the government wants or thinks it doesn't affect anyone in reality , and the idea that it affects anyone is a joke. You hope and you wish these things were true.But the reality is, they are not. Look, I get it, your life sucks and you hate being brown, that is your personal problem and no one else's. The idea that every single third worlder is so entitled, is a reality, and I think it's funny. No matter how hard you cry about being poor brown and stupid, we'll never sway me into a position where I should just be giving you anything. Build your own shit in stock being so worthless.

services going down.

People with fake jobs lose them

Now forced to actually get a job that produces goods

Price of everything goes down

The market provides
Get fucked commie faggot

It depends on Trump, sure. But it also depends on the neocons and kikes around Trump, on the congress, of the FEDs, on the courts... for all I can see, it'll be another 2008, with bailouts, QE, and all sort of kikery.

We'll see. He did call out the neocons recently kek, the Israel crashout was priceless

We are watching carefully. We have forecasted 1-4% deflation for the coming quarters. We believe the Fed will allow it to happen. Things will get very difficult for those looking for work.

The Fed is focused like a laser on getting housing costs down with triggering a crisis. It will probably fail.

Real estate is being hit very hard by the deportation of hard working honest immigrants. We think this will kick off a crisis

Stay tuned

Probably just reflects demand decline

Also, let's not forget that Trump's own background and private fortune are entirely on real state.

He seems to be the guy to keep prices up, no matter the cost.

deportation of hard working honest immigrants

aka illegals

opinion instantly disregarded

The Fed is focused like a laser on getting housing costs down with triggering a crisis. It will probably fail.

What you think the FED will do if a crisis start to reduce the prices of real state and othe assets?

Given wages didn't increase during our inflationary spiral then shouldn't that just bring everything to "normal?"

yea.. I wonder how that shit will play out

We already have evidence that deportations are hurting the real estate market in Florida, new York, north carolina. We should really reconsider the deportation policies lest we trigger a crisis. A lot of these houses are rented on equity. The owners took out loans and invested into more housing, the rent goes straight to the lender in many of these and the landlords are just taking loans off equity to perpetuate acquisitions. It's a house of cards

This desperate attempt to psyop us into believing deflation is bad is the most insulting attack on our intelligence.

A bit of a loaded statement but the ones who work are the ones who are deported. ICE primarily raids jobsites as those tend to be easy targets. So the ones who are unproductive and leeching benefits are unaffected unfortunately.

If that's true, it's a win-win situation. You get rid of criminals and at the same time fix the housing market.

hard working honest immigrants

Lmao faggot.

Currency getting more purchasing power is like bad...mkay?

As you can see goods are not going down in prices, what we are seeing is a fall in the values of services, almost all that is called services are real state, insurance and finances.

Oh no you can't get rid of illegals because it might collapse the debt ponzi scheme! Kikes and boomers might actually have to face the consequence of their actions!

hard working honest immigrants

kek it was a good script right up till here anon, refine it and try again later.

Your wages might be able to afford more goods but don't you realize that assets losing value will collapse collateral and Jew bankers will lose a lot of wealth? You monster.

Tough luck, they're still criminals. Next time, migrate legally.

It'll be fun to watch, personally I bet on the government jumping in with all strength like in 2008, the Perestroika of the Americans.

I don't think you comprehend how much the real estate industry employs. A housing price collapse would obliterate employment prospects and be good for nobody.

I promise you that the federal government will NEVER let those boomers lose their inflated home values, they'd literally murder every Jew and nuke Israel before telling Bob and Linda that they can only go on 4 vacations this year.

The system will burn itself down before it allows any significant deflation. Lines goes up anon.

A housing price collapse would obliterate employment prospects and be good for nobody.

It would be great for all the Americans that can't afford a fucking 600k house that cost 300k 5 fucking years ago.

Trump is not deporting that much more for it to have an impact like this, sorry that I couldn't find a better image, what the propaganist calls "COVID", it's title 42 expulsions.

This anon gets it, line going down just means FED rape incoming.

buy home

Home goes up 200% in value

Take out loan on equity

Renter pays the bill pretty much +35%

Buy new home

Take out loan

Renter pays the bill +35%

Pretty much the housing situation

Seems to me that the people losing their jobs are either white collar cunts or over-exploited illegal aliens, so rip bozo.

and be good for nobody

It'll be good for the millenials and zoomers who can't afford a house.

Deflation is coming

no no no,
M2 money supply is increasing again, FED is doing stealth QE.
Now they need a crisis to justify all out debt monetization. There's just too much global debt to allow deflation which makes debt harder to service, this creates the all too familiar liquidity crisis bullshit.

God I fucking hope so, numbers finally go down, let it all collapse.

Yep. They will never allow deflation. 2007/8 caught them off guard. Not to mention there’s a speculated 10 trillion invested in US corporate money in residential housing. The corporation’s new monetary inflation was coming with Covid and started buying up all the residential homes.

A somewhat shallow argument

Yes he is because no one is coming in. The difference is there is people have stopped. We are seeing a net outflow at this point where usually we still would have a steady stream of 50,000 illegals a month. We are getting less than 2000 a month

knew

phone bleh!

The shockwave of that shit will be felt in europe for sure.
Good, it's about time we ditch the socialist nonsense

Deportations on paper each represent a much larger number of people who actually leave, particular among hispanic ones who tend to have the breadwinner deported and then all leave with him. The USAID stuff is also having a pretty big impact, I can say I know of at least a dozen cases where "refugees" went somewhere else because NGOs are no longer paying their rents, none of that gets counted in official stats either.

It's the law. Don't like it? Go through legal procedure and push to change it.
Until then it's illegal, therefore there's no argument to be made.

oh look, this bullshit again.

lower prices bad

Japan's economic problems weren't caused by deflation. They were caused by massive currency printing and the rise of China as a manufacturing giant.

It's mostly the jew line

oh no

its the law

I already understand thats the extent of your limited reasoning ability

The FED and Government are desperate to monetize the debt, Trump demands lower rates from the FED, Hell even our gay Treasury Secretary has mentioned treasury buybacks.
They all know we are heading for straight up debt monetization, the only question, the REAL question is.
Are they going to do a rugpull on financial markets or create a crisis which is what is typically done to justify QE/ZIRP inflationary policies or are we just going to say fuck it and go straight to debt monetization and high inflation. Greedy bankers always want to buy on discount, it's in their nature, so I have to say we'll see a rugpull/crisis/ stonk crash in Q3-Q4.

Yes he is because no one is coming in.

What are you talking about? The number of people trying to enter the US is higher today than it was under Trump's first term or Obama, even if a bit lower than some peaks during Biden.

It'll come just like it came in 2008, and the effects ill be more manipulated markets, the thing you call socialism for some reason.

Then the root here isn't "deflation" is it?

Lol you mean useless real estate agents will stop parasiting off people that actually make things?

Deportation is compared with former years, even if each person leaving actually means ten, it's still not much more compared with the years before, it's actually quite less.

almost all that is called services are real state, insurance and finances

good insurance has been spiking for years. bout time it back off a bit

The entire industrial revolution occurred under a state of zero inflation/gradual deflation. Capital can always find a return if it's invested in doing something useful in the actual real world. It's only a problem if investing in fake bubbles.

From you and your kike cousins' posts it seems we're to believe it employs almost entirely illegals.

Even if deflation happens, wouldn't that be a good thing for stock holders long term? If you're confident in your company you can just buy more of the dip

Are they going to do a rugpull on financial markets or create a crisis which is what is typically done to justify QE/ZIRP inflationary policies or are we just going to say fuck it and go straight to debt monetization and high inflation.

You know the answer, anon.

What do you mean, deflation of services is still deflation.

Makes sense to me. Like you said they love blockbusting and fire sales.

Housing is just a big leveraged sector that is in pensions and retirements, the entire system is levaraged to the tits and it's all intertwined in debt instruments, one bubble affects the other and so forth. That's why housing almost brought down the entire system in 2008. Nothing has changed today, and it's just gotten worse.
Number go up is not just a matter of financial stability anymore, or even National security, but Global Financial Security. This is why the FED and Government is trapped, it's literally PRINT OR DIE at this point. If you let one bubble pop it leads to you not being able to withdraw money from your bank.
It's a literal financial hostage situation

Deflation is coming

Please be real. It's the best time to buy gold. And, deflations are always followed by period f high inflation as all commie govts will try to print their way out of it.

LEL

Deflation is coming

Noooooo!!! My money will be worth more and I'll be able to afford more things!!! NOOOOOO!!!

Save me Donald Trump! Make my money worthless again!

If you're confident in your company

I think the real question is, are you confident in your country?

Japan's economic problems

It must be tough, having highly skilled high IQ labor force willing to work so cheaply.

Yeah really strange that the free market Republicans and the party of fiscal responsibility called the bankers and speculators "Too Big to Fail" and then voted with the Democrats to bail them out.

It's almost as if both parties only care about richfags.

it’s almost as if richfags ARE the government

Tell me why deflation is a bad thing.
Unironically

Biden's deportation stats, like all of his stats, were just flat out faked, he literally had an app you signed up for upon arrival to help you maximize your local welfare benefits. Democrats aren't just whining when they say immigrants are "living in fear" they're being slowly but surely cut off from social services.

Are you telling me official US data is literally made up and fake?

Our politicians aren't economists, they are grifters and insider traders, they are more focused on what parties they will be invited to rather than long - mid term fiscal responsibilities. They have concentric circles of aids who pose as "economists" but are really special interests who tell our politicians what to do. And 99.9% of the time it's spend more because that's how their neo-keynsian economic model says it works.
It's just like "TrUST ThE SciEnce" but catered to politicians relating to Economics.

Unlink China who increased exports by 8% during the trade war

That was orders trying to frontrun the tariffs and was never anything sustainable.

That was after tariffs went into full effect, China had an 11% increase in exports in the month before tariffs because of what you say.

All debt taken at higher inflation levels is now worth more. Deflation for the US Govt would be a kneecapper.

We are watching carefully. We have forecasted 1-4% deflation for the coming quarters. We believe the Fed will allow it to happen. Things will get very difficult for those looking for work.

The Fed is focused like a laser on getting housing costs down with triggering a crisis. It will probably fail.

Real estate is being hit very hard by the deportation of hard working honest immigrants. We think this will kick off a crisis

Stay tuned

the is this shit? "we"

Like, just stop indebting yourself like a retard?

real state

God please I want property values to fall.
Boomers can fucking starve

I just checked the whole PPI history, it's literally only -0.1% under what it was on 15/11/2023
Fucken drama queen

NOTHING EVER HAPPENS

muh economy doesn't need corporations!

you sound like you think communism works

Stop dumping contaminated nuclear water into the ocean

muh socialist market control meme

look at me I'm an edgy ancap

Obviously meant the whole pack, welfare, liberal shit, social "justice" bullshit, DEI. We won't be able to afford so much bullshit if shit hits the fan and people will start voting for conservatists.

Modern democratic governments require market manipulation in one way or the other, the only question would be how.

deflation of services is still deflation.

This is a decrease in demand, not a decrease in the price of services. Give an example of a service that has decreased in price.

>muh economy doesn't need corporations!

smooth brain take of the day
I never said that

you don't like wall st scumbags?

reeeeeeeeee you must be a commie

Every single time. Go to the dictionary and read what "nuance" means. And then try to apply it every now and then instead of sperging out midwit nonsense.

I quit going to work after I realized 90% of the time I'm just wasting my time doing pointless shit nobody cares about and not getting ahead in life.
I worked there a lot over the past 12 years and the wagie community was a major factor in my decision to not work anymore. NEETs did it to an extent as well but WAGIES are far worse.
Someone could give a long drawn out and factually accurate explanation of what would have to happen for me to even be able to one day buy a home and have a family and why working was fraudulent. The post would get a dozen responses of

WHY SHOULD YOU EAT?

when you know you know

economic collapse is coming

stack metals the end is nigh

keep waging faggot

100% eoy silver will reach 5k an ounce

Or some equally long schizo post explaining numerology, using bible scripture and random posts here explaining how by the end of the year billions will be unemployed because of the AI.
Here we are.
After seeing the nothingburger today I came here just to watch the seething and suicide letters. It’s beyond EOY, the jobs didn't disappear, the banks didn't collapse (unfortunately), no more use cases and all the dirty laundry is out in the air now.
It’s not going to be Millennial's Economic Paradise, it will not be the Roaring 20's all over again. The world will not be descending into hyper deflation and prosperity (as was obsessed over for months/years) it will be going on as usual with no major gains or rewards.
I will enjoy watching wagies burn every step along the way.
Why?
Because those fucking idiots deserve it all.

even then services are more likely to be automated than manufacturing

and americans are betting that they will magically make manufacturing both cheap and well paying at the same time lmaooooo

good
total rent seeker death

bump

sounds a bit like a repeat of the 2008 housing bubble bursting. same theme of "people being given stuff they shouldn't have had".
still, they (the owners and the illegal renters) knew what they were doing. not to mention the rent cartel behavior. the sooner we get this over with, the better. recession kicks off in june?

some people like to work

Buy TLT/TMF.

the trump lockdowns were the nail in the coffin for work culture

people now hate the idea to even show up to the workplace

I love it when people mix up deflation and inflation and claim that deflation is coming to ruin your savings and devalue your money.

trump lockdowns

lol

he said he wasn't going to stop a single lockdown when he was president

you're really on a roll today with the bullshit

Good! No need for toilet paper when you can wipe your ass with dollar bills.

americans think wiping shit with paper means you're clean

i wouldn't call it a lockdown
more like JPM got raided by the FBI and the whole repo market shit the bed in sept 2019, then magically a pandemic appeared in which the BROKE NYFed and its ilk would once again be 'broke, yet in charge' despite just having been bailed out for trillions again quietly

Good! No need for toilet paper when you can wipe your ass with Federal Reserve Notes

ftfy

JPM got raided by the FBI and the whole repo market shit the bed in sept 2019, then magically a pandemic appeared in which the BROKE NYFed and its ilk would once again be 'broke, yet in charge' despite just having been bailed out for trillions again quietly

some people have even suggested pic rel

>JPM got raided by the FBI and the whole repo market shit the bed in sept 2019,

and rigging treasury markets too

NYFed and its ilk would once again be 'broke, yet in charge' despite just having been bailed out for trillions again quietly

good i hope they all lose their homes and die in the streets, thats what they do for their "customers"

Most service jobs are a scam anyways

the fbi isn't literally actually and directly employed by jpm

this spammer is a kike, he is a severely defective autistic jew that screenshots all of these irrelevant financial facts and mspaints text over them

So you just want less welfare so companies can be more free?

And what is more, why there's a decrease in demand?

I couldn't agree more with you, but I believe your government will take any steps, pay any cost, to ensure this will never happen.

Ok nigger retards, deflation by definition is an overall drop of prices across industry measured against the currency. While there could be cases where this is caused by an actual cheapening of shit do to technological advancement or whatever in reality an aggressive drop in prices usually is because people are not buying shit and actively participating less in the economy. IF IT IS OVERALL that means all industries are suffering which means recession which means massive layoffs and companies going under. While maybe useless neets with gibbs can kinda profit of this, the point is that deflation is not the jews having to thin up their gains or sell their boats to make stuff cheaper, its the economy going to shit.

It's not a general fall on prices, it's a fall on prices of services due to a sudden fall in demand.

Deflation is a midwit meme from pube-bearded Krugman readers in 2009. It's literally impossible for the US dollar to deflate until there's a political and financial crisis that dwarfs the GFC, which caused (not was caused by) a cunt hair of deflation for like a couple quarters. We have two political parties who compete primarily for who can borrow the most money and a central bank that cuts rates to 0 when literally anything happens. The idea of people valuing dollars more than goods and services is retarded on its face.

Muh heckin depresserino!

Correlation is not causation. There will absolutely be deflation when the big one hits, but it will be the effect, not the cause.

Not happening Jew AQA

subjective, idiotic drivel

I'm irish catholic, too, you fucking idiot

Trump and Miran are trying to circumvent #2 in pic rel with forwards (futures for treasuries)
they are trying to make it so the US can sell its gold without paying down the debt

Miran and Trump want for the major debt holders to swap their short term bills and notes for 100 yr bonds, they want to indebt americans for the next century to the Fed (ultimately via tokenization of these treasuries (aka securities))

Correlation is not causation

Yes but for the record, causation requires correlation.

It is often said, typically in a warning manner, that a correlation does not imply a causal relation. This well-meant advice, however, is wrong. Any correlation implies a causal relation, with a probability inversely proportional to its significance. For clarity: A correlation as meant here is not zero, as the value of zero denotes the absence of correlation. The significance of a correlation, typically reported as a p value, is the probability of that correlation resulting from chance (coincidence) if the true correlation were zero. In other words, p value is the probability that the correlation does not imply a causal relation, and [1 - p value] is the probability it does.
Then on to the nature and direction of the causality; if a correlation exists between A and B, at least one of the following explanations applies: A causes B; B causes A; There is at least one third variable that causes both A and B, linking them. It is the latter explanation, the common cause, that is often overlooked, and that may be what some people are really trying to say with "correlation does not imply causality". But a common cause is a cause nevertheless, so there is causality after all. There can be no correlation without causality, except for by chance (coincidence) as reflected in the correlation's significance. Exactly which variable is a cause, and through which mechanism it works, can be found out and proven by studying all intercorrelations between a broader set of variables, by logical thinking, or by other non-statistical methods like experiment.

Difference is Americans are consumer whores and couldn't save to save our fucking lives. Nobody will hold onto money waiting for a better deal when prices are already "low". Price decreases will quickly turn to standardization and inflation because we have an endless appetite for cheap bullshit unlike Asia.

housing will, um… become more expensive once we deport millions of squatters goy!

Ok rabbi

Deflation is coming

It would be wonderful for lower class working people but globohomo jews never let any wins go their way

Willing

Forced. Chinese workers want higher wages but the government artificially devalues the currency to keep it low. For their own good admittedly but it's short sighted and now nobody wants to work with China since they just cannibalize your entire production economy.

Cheap-to-free tech technologies is how we get to technocratic state. China’s leading the way after Europe and America’s generous technology transfer. How convenient!

Chinese workers want higher wages but the government artificially devalues the currency to keep it low.

That doesn’t keep their wages low, it just keeps the relative cost an overseas buyer of chink shit pays, lower. If keeping your currency artificially weak keeps salary growth low, how have chink salaries gone up by many 1000’s of times since the 90’s, while ours have stagnated and gotten lower?

Groceries don't exist in a vacuum. Each grocery has several up steam inputs and also the fuel to transport it. If eggs are too cheap to justify shipping them then gas prices are forced down forcing down the cost of everything. Things should cost what they're worth. Not more and not less.

Who? Realtor parasites? Boomer house hoarder rent vultures? Illegals? Actually it cant be illegals since they dont build any fucking houses or apartments/condos anymore anywhere. Who SPECIFICALLY is going to lose their job chaim?

It’s almost as if our government and the Chinese government are working together to cause these effects in each respective population.

I don't think the American government aims to increase the Chinese worker wage by 12% a year.

Chinese book keeping

Chinese jobs reports

Chinese wealth inequality

Gee I wonder. It would be fine if China didn't rely on any imported goods but when they import most of their food and energy a weaker yuan necessarily fucks over the lowest earners that now can't afford pork or energy costs.

The problem is worth and demand can and is skewed by tptb. They are always adjusting the coefficient which are unknown to us.

drumpf messes up stock market to get deflation

it actually comes

wtf nooo the american people were supposed to be overrrrr it was supposed to be MY time as the world leader!!

They say when bonds and stocks disagree, bonds are right, because bond traders don't trade so much on emotion. Right now we have weak economic signs but long term bond rates going up. Which is right?

When viewed as a sovereign nation, your opinion makes complete sense. What makes more sense to most Americans from the viewpoint of a citizen as an American is that the people running our government either party seem to be doing things that most certainly are not in America’s interest. They actually seem to be in Chinese interest more. So while it certainly reasonable for you to see it through the lens of sovereign nations, being real, that’s much less real to ordinary Americans.

aaaa nnooo cheap goods are bad for me I hate affordable living!

They actually seem to be in Chinese interest more.

I agree that looks like this, but in the end it's in the interest of rentiers and kikes individual gains.

The problem is this requires much more mental gymnastics, and is way more complex. It additionally plays into propaganda, tropes that are main streamed on this website and mainstream news. Covid was a NATO operation. NATO works with China and the east to form a global government. The first two world wars were like declaring your pronouns for nations and more countries were created from these wars than destroyed. It’s over.

Why can't you faggots use real words

I'm not talking about in (((economic reports)))). I'm talking about the prices that people pay when consuming a product whenever that's eggs at the grocery or lng from a power grid to product the styrofoam cartons. All of these things have a cost and deflation forces those costs people are willing to pay to bump against the cost of the production. Once you go lower than cost it's no longer viable to produce the item and you'll get shortages.

A dozen eggs for about $4.50

Cost divided into the cost to product the eggs plus the carton plus the shipping plus profit on each step

Can drill down further to the cost to raise the chickens

Cost to produce the grains fed to the chicken

Cost to pump water into the fields that grew the grain

Gas to ship between all stages

There's a lower limit on how cheap things can be without shit going bad.

Do you know how the Chinese treat non-Chinese, rich or not, right?

But the media told me tariffs are going to raise prices!
You're telling me tariffs cause lower prices?

Invisible, hand theory

I understand the theory. I was pointing that out.

I’m not saying that Chinese are behind any of this. They were recently modernized from the Third World. I’m simply saying they have a seat at the table. Clearly.

Crossing the border without a visa is illegal.
Working without a visa is illegal.
They are criminals, not "hardworkers".

Hell, it’s about time. They double the worlds money supply during covid. About time to cut it by 1/2. Inflation is theft.

To be fair, the Chinese were, and still are for most post, 2nd world.

And their part always seems to be "take the chore of industry and production" while the rest takes the profits.

A suitable role with an intelligent design? Perhaps.

Who is “we“?

More like taking the part no one else wants whenever there's a change on the market.

Agreed. I thought your statement was eloquent. Paraphrasing your sentiment, a cog in a machine is happy to perform its function and belong to the machine. The Chinese seem to be happy to perform their function and belong to the machine. There’s evidence that their true dynasties were overthrown in 1917 after the first two opium wars. This led to the Taiwanese government being installed as a puppet government in China. It appears the Chinese internal elites didn’t quite like that decision and gave the Taiwanese the boot leading to the CCP being formed several decades later. We clearly don’t have the full picture or pieces to the puzzle but have a few glimpses into reality. The true people controlling our planet seem to relocate their base of operations and move technology along with them. We see this pattern throughout Europe, the US and now China. In the end, it seems like the entire planet is industrialized, modernized and brought up to a technological high society. The question is why is it strictly human? I’m really not joking, unfortunately.

Seems like an investment or hedge fund

It's mostly finances, insurance and real state

oh no! won't somebody think of the poor coin clippers! This is likely due to the massive real estate slow down. Prices remain high but transaction volume has cratered. Prices won't stay high forever but unless massive job losses happen they won't come down quickly. Between AI and tariffs though, job losses could easily start ramping.

You don't need to tell me, kek. A collapse of the FIRE sector would to great for the US, but your government will spare no effort, and will pay any price, to prevent this from happening.

massive real estate slow down.

literally thought about it once i saw this one guy saying "tariffs" didnt raise prices, good are actually decreasing in value! duh, companies stockpilled goods, meaning there was no supply shortage, while consumption fell drasticly, resulting in low demand, causing prices to fall. my two cents, need to look this deflation report up, would make sense

I think they would literally balkanize before they let this happen. Almost as if the US has a final part to play.

extend and pretend

I agree, the US will stop existing as a single country before the people on top let the line go down

It’s interesting though because I’ve already given away huge quantities of modern technologies, including military technologies to the point of almost trivializing the US over the next hundred years, which makes me believe the United States is more of a vector for globalization than a real country.

they’ve already given away

they being the elites from the top that owned the corporate and government factions in the US

Found corrections

You give too much merit for your elites, they crave short term profits and that's all.

Phone auto corrections.

I think my point is, it’s not US elites. They are transient elites that work through many countries. I think the United States was created to help push globalization by these after a dispute with French nobility leading to the French Revolution. I believe the French nobility was disposed of intentionally, then the resultant political takeover was used to finance the American revolution. But maybe I’m crazy.

They are not ethnically Chinese, that's for sure.

Definitely. Thinking in terms of countries is problematic, but they seem to be most likely Swiss European heritage. At this point, I’m sure that there’s every ethnicity on the planet in the club, but the founding members seem to be from that ethnic group.

elites

stop using this fucking word
elite (n) - the best of a category, the finest, etc. (i.e. this could also apply to turnips)
elitist (n) - one who thinks they are better than others
There is a difference between the two.
Calling the worst of what humanity has to offer the "elite" is wholly untrue.
Elitist, yes. Elite, no.

I think what I said about the Chinese here makes that abundantly clear that the Chinese aren’t ruining the world

In the long run, deflation only lead to the state of decline as current Japan.
Because other countries continue economic growth.

Thread from last Sunday:
<<<<——-archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/504503488/
The now-bankrupt Federal Reserve is building a $2.5 B complex in Washington DC and funding it with borrowed US taxpayer money. The Fed is fucking broke and putting Italian beehives in its extravagant rooftop gardens and building private elevators to VIP dining rooms, yet bloviating about the importance of citizens being able to communicate in a republic. lol

To add to the elitism and absurdity, Elon Musk, with his toothless, empty threats on his way out the door of DOGE, glibly stated, “someone should look into the Fed.”
Really? Is that it? What an absolute fucking joke.

It is fucking amazing that Trump’s economic advisor (Miran) wants to now indebt the US with 100 year bonds, so we can be skimmed for another fucking century by these insolvent frauds.

nypost.com/2025/04/27/business/federal-reserve-blows-2-5b-on-palace-of-versailles-hq/
archive.is/fpJ4J

It is fucking amazing that Trump’s economic advisor (Miran) wants to now indebt the US with 100 year bonds, so we can be skimmed for another fucking century by these insolvent frauds.

so we can be skimmed for another fucking century by these insolvent frauds.

I know a bunch of Amish people and I have shitloads of mercury dimes and ammo.
I’ve spent years living off the grid.
What I don’t have is the patience to keep enduring this fake economy creating infinite obnoxious prominent minorities and women.
Worldwide collapse PLEASE.

OK, anon. I’ll define elite.

Elite | l’lēt, a lēt

someone whom is unknown to common people, and whom has a family that has vast influence or total influence over a modern country that works in conjunction with other groups, such as itself to exert a global dominance and control over mankind.

Better?

It's just for a short while to cull all the people with their debt and confiscate their assets. Then it's inflation again.

Not when other countries peg their currency to your currency, kek

There was once a product called personal computers

They got cheaper and better every single year, so everyone stopped buying then.

Oh wait..

I did a maxed out consumer build in 2017, it was roughly $1600 for the tower. In 2025 the same concept of a maxed out consumer tower cost around $8000.

If prices went down, would you be more or less inclined to build a new pc?

finance.yahoo.com/news/us-issue-100-bonds-223144403.html

Are you serious hundred year treasury bonds? Instead of facing the music and actually becoming a real country? Is this really what the current administration as of this moment feels is necessary?

I built one anyway out of principle. It was 8k USD, I don’t care about the money, the demand is what it is. Invisible hand and such.

Please don't remind me of how much I paid for a PC. Even worse, shudder, for a monitor and modem.

Thank you anon. They need to dismantle the fed once and for all.

For a best in class consumer PC build in 2025 monitor keyboard, everything included you’re looking about $10,000. That’s considerably higher than the $2500 it cost in 2017.

no what you defined is in picrel and more of a cabal, aa cabal who came to power because of cheating, lying and stealing, not due to merit

yes
i have a thread coming on it

Fair enough. I mean that's why deflation is bad though. When your deflation meets the producers inflation you're gonna have a bad time.

No, I specifically defined it as my definition of an elite in the context of my writings in this thread. You don’t get to choose how I define words anon. If more people like my definition, then that’s the new meaning.

Not to be snarky or anything. Just standing my ground intellectually.

the deportation of hard working honest immigrants.

With on faggot statement the masks slips off. Also in the news, every race is waking up to the Jewish problem and industry analysts are forecasting for an imminent TOTAL KIKE DEATH
You won't be missed

your government will spare no effort, and will pay any price, to prevent this from happening.

they may try, but they don't have anymore dry powder. And it certainly is not "my" government lol

muh banks

bank balance sheets aren't the problem this time, champ. The government's is. Or have you not noticed what's going on in long bonds?

hello anon yw
and here is this video i only saw this morning but has been out for months i guess
it is a boomer hate fest on the Fed
youtube.com/watch?v=qeXxU8SDyAo&

a good thread from this morning:

i got rained out of work

Sure, they'll not successed, but they'll burn anything in the attempt.

I denounce the Talmud

I curse the Torah

It’s seems fairly obvious to me that the Jews are being used as frontmen and will be scapegoated hard. They are the means to which certain technologies were transferred using unscrupulous, deceitful tactics, and espionage when look through the lens of a sovereign nation, however, lackeys, frontmen when look through the lens of a globalized cabal or elites. It never really voted well with me that someone ruling the planet with announce it arrogantly and put a target on their back. That’s something only a fool would do and we have to remember the smart Jew myth. Jews are red herring fallacy, used to drag a scent through the river to throw off the bloodhounds.

saved

Sure, they'll not successed, but they'll burn anything in the attempt.

you are likely correct. Then they will blame anything but themselves. Nothing is off the table, I could see them whipping up the young browns into a revolutionary army to dispossess the old white kulaks of their property and possibly their lives. Orange retard still didn't learn enough from last time to not pussyfoot and waffle around. Best believe when the left gets back in power they are going full mask off.

never really bode well

Let's be fair with Trump, Trump background and personal fortune is in real state speculation, he's probably the last guy in American to want to see the line go down.

how can we have deflation when the price of everything has gone up, since forever?

Doesn’t it seem obvious that both parties are literally pushing the ball forward and the direction they want? I mean, that seems very obvious to me.

So long as wages don't keep pace with deflation, we'll all be on easy street.

AI will scalp everyone’s ability to work which will allow for wage deflation, heh

Best not have debt you can’t pay off immediately

This is likely perfect for what’s ahead, hyperinflation with AI wage deflation! That’s our guys, definitely. That’s everything moving in the correct directions.

Let's be fair with Trump, Trump background and personal fortune is in real state speculation, he's probably the last guy in American to want to see the line go down.

yes, again you observe and interpret well. The problem is that in order to fix the rot and problems in America, there is no way to avoid a recession. If he had moved quickly and removed the illegals, busted up the medical monopolies and had a more targeted, strategic tariff strategy we could have had a short but nasty recession that we would be coming out of by midterms. That's the key, have to be coming out of it by midterms. But it's too late already, and he is showing that he is interested in personal revenge and looting what he can for his family. I believe the tariffs are just a way for him to extract kickbacks from the affected industries.

Doesn’t it seem obvious that both parties are literally pushing the ball forward and the direction they want? I mean, that seems very obvious to me.

I haven't read all your posts, what direction do you think it is? I think both parties are simply interested in power and looting the treasury for their cronies at this point. They differ only in who the cronies are and some small details. Overall, I think we are much closer to imperial collapse than people realize.

bank balance sheets aren't the problem this time, champ

sure, champ

Real Estate is 3x Construction

Grim

proving my point for me

thanks

And remember, construction includes roads, bridges, ports...

Overall, I think we are much closer to imperial collapse than people realize.

I agree. I think that Trump was responsible for operation warp speed that led to mRNA vaccinations, cutting corners and being in introduced to human populations. I think Covid lockdowns were NATO operation. I think that a lot of financial stimulus was introduced in Trump’s first term setting the stage for Biden to do more damage. I do believe if Biden or Harris would’ve won we would’ve seen imperial collapse as you say in 2025 this year. I think that they were well aware of this and this is the basis of the Deagel’s population forecasts for 2025. If you read over the archives that website basically says financial ruin in the west leads to mass migrations out of modern nations and additionally pandemics. The population changes the US were suicides due to the social contract being changed indefinitely due to bankruptcy insolvency, etc. I think that’s a very possible outcome that’s been avoided with Trump is doing now. Similar to Covid. He seemed to fast track everything while still pushing some of the overall agenda of some invisible globalization effort. So I think with Trump things are slower changes for the existing citizenry, where is Obama really did deliver the change he promised. I see these two as the anti-cycle. I believe this was all intentionally done after a surprise soft collapse that caught them off guard in 2008. That’s what all the hate bigotry racism, divisiveness tribalism, etc. was systematically introduced into our mainstream media and social media. I also believe a lot of those extremes that came to past since 2016 were the establishments attempt at training AI illegally using public sources on the Internet through big technology companies. This is why a lot of the propaganda woke. Propaganda seemed insane because they were trying to train AI models to uphold their social contract ideologies. Sorry I know that’s a lot of bullshit to read.

I'm glad there's only 6 more months of having to listen to people talk about this stupid fucking prediction model

Definitely, but it was a credible source of wikileaks. Similar things have happened with the industrial revolution in Europe when people moved from the countryside to enter cities a lot of of the older people committed suicide. The changes were too great for a lot of people to deal with. You can equate that to someone working their whole life and seeing millions of dollars in their 401(k), and then having it become worthless. I don’t think it’s ridiculous.

America tried to transition to an economy where everyone sold or skimmed some non-economic activity to each other. Beyond utility use of a roof over your head and walls that don't fall down, there is no true economic gain from renovating houses. Installing granite countertops and fancy fixtures is consumption masquerading as investment, and worse that labor then supports even more people shuffling paper and making sales commissions to enable the debt that makes it happen. It's uneconomic activity layered onto uneconomic activity. It's everywhere in this society. The only reason it's been able to go on is the exorbitant privilege of the US dollar and the government's willingness and ability to continue emitting credit. Both of those things are coming to an end.

you know inflation and deflation only matter when we account for what the OTHER countries are at.

I could give less a fuck, as long as you fucking bug people are in a worst place.
which I mean you literally are.

in the demand for services

of course, we have no money.
never forger china's numbers are always artificial. they will let half their population die if required to show their goods are still selling at the same prices.

of course, we have no money.

The fall in demand comes from China, despite media only talking the deficit on goods, the US exported a lot of services to PRC, that are no longer being purcahsed.

Similar things have happened with the industrial revolution in Europe when people moved from the countryside to enter cities a lot of of the older people committed suicide. The changes were too great for a lot of people to deal with. You can equate that to someone working their whole life and seeing millions of dollars in their 401(k), and then having it become worthless. I don’t think it’s ridiculous.

even if it doesn't go that far, I think we are on the cusp of massive AI induced layoffs. The moment we are in right now, especially for high paying software and IT jobs, is equivalent to the last days of the highly paid guild craftsman careers. Right before the factory, assembly line, and mass production appeared. There will have to be some answer to the question of what to do with people if there simply aren't enough jobs to go around.

your posts don't even make sense

your posts don't even make sense

what doesn't make sense? that isn't a very coherent argument. The banks, since 2008 really, have transferred their toxic liabilities to the fed. The fed is functionally bankrupt. They can't be truly bankrupt but the positive remittances they used to send to treasury are long gone and not coming back anytime soon. They also have no ability to monetize debt without causing a shitstorm of inflation.

I don't think 250 million boomers are going to kill themselves (I know there's only 75m you get what I mean tho)
I do think they're about to show everyone with a 401k that 401k money is the other people's money that the banks used to buy everything and now that BR/JPM etc have all the deeds, the bigger number that always gowas up will o disappear

There will have to be some answer to the question of what to do with people if there simply aren't enough jobs to go around.

I would say CBDC, UBI under the understanding you’re giving up complete autonomy to the state.

I would say CBDC, UBI under the understanding you’re giving up complete autonomy to the state.

I agree this is likely. I also think FRN's may be retired and replaced with the CBDC. As part of the conversion what remains of the middle class will be totally screwed, one way or another.

I don't think 250 million boomers are going to kill themselves (I know there's only 75m you get what I mean tho)

The point was people will migrate out of the US if there’s no opportunity but a lot of Americas that are used to our quality of life and social contract, old and young might not cope so well. You could see large amounts of suicidal people that can’t cope with moving into new re-imagined US inner cities to be “saved” from their financial ruin or (insert any number of generic future fascist changes restricting personal freedom here).

I do think they're about to show everyone with a 401k that 401k money is the other people's money that the banks used to buy everything and now that BR/JPM etc have all the deeds, the bigger number that always gowas up will o disappear

That’s “The Great Taking” financial theory. It’s supposedly been legally proven in the U.S. available online to read.

It’s supposedly been legally proven in the U.S.

One thing I've come around to recently is the personal understanding that the US common law system is basically lawless. All it takes is one "interpretation" setting a precedent and now that's as strong as the statutes themselves. It's anarchy, makes the laws meaningless.

Sooo I should hold US cash/bonds?

The banks, since 2008 really, have transferred their toxic liabilities to the fed.

you try to separate the fed from the banks
the Fed IS a private banking franchise ITSELF

Good. All must converge to zero.

Hmmm appreciate it anon
The thing that sent me down the rabbit hole was all these companies that got loaded up with adjustable rate loans that are getting repackaged and sold just like the mortgage backed securities and then sold to 401k.

The author presents research that it’s done at the state level in every state in the U.S. everything you own that’s debt based or a financial instrument can be secured by legal entities responsible for them in a time of crisis.

There’s a YouTube video, and book freely available online if you search for it. Good stuff. It’s technically presented or seemed to be.

doesn't put the israeli flag on Death and the american flag on the scythe

Ultra-goyim take desu.

you try to separate the fed from the banks

the Fed IS a private banking franchise ITSELF

Call it whatever you want—“private banking franchise,” whatever makes you feel clever. The fact is, it used to send a ton of money to the Treasury. Now it doesn’t. It’s the sole authority on how much money is in circulation (yes, I said money—make sure you actually understand what that means before responding). The Fed was created by an act of Congress, carries out government policy, and has its leadership appointed by the government. It’s not truly private in any meaningful sense.
I watched or read it, can't recall which. The guy is sharp and I'm sure legally they can take it all. "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." The worst part is they will tell the NPC's it's for their own protection or good and they will go right along with it

Things should cost what they're worth. Not more and not less.

no because someone needs to make a profit or otherwise there's no incentive to sell the shit in the first place

used to send a ton of money to the Treasury.

not a ton, it was small, as can be seen in image in > It’s not truly private in any meaningful sense.
oh it is pic rel

now it doesn't b/c it is looting the Treasury

now the Fed doesn't remit shit b/c it is looting the Treasury*

pic rel is the Fed a trillion in the hole when accounting for mark to market losses and using GAAP to calculate capital kek
this is even worse now

The Fed Reserve’s Board of Governors are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The Fed’s Board of Governors is a neutered and ineffective regulatory body, and under regulatory capture by the NYFed.
The 12 Federal Reserve Regional branches are the public franchisors, public franchisors which sell private franchisee stock to private banks in their region.
The private banks buy stock in their regional Fed franchise, private stock which earns dividends of 6% annually.
The NYFed is the largest and most powerful regional Federal Reserve branch franchise. It conducts all trading for the Federal Reserve and is custodian for its assets. Its biggest shareholders are the private big banks, aka the primary dealers, that issue our currency in the form of bond debt, who are the market makers for these US treasuries and are now using those treasuries and QE to counterfeit our currency.
The Fed likes to confuse the publicly-appointed Fed Board of Governors with the privately-incorporated shareholders of the 12 regional Fed franchises, so people don’t realize we are paying private banks to borrow our own currency at interest.
Pic related

giving hand outs to our disgusting poor grandkids

How about you lazy bastards actually do something useful with that $20 we gave you for your birthday you COMMIE SCUM

under regulatory capture by the NYFed.

How about you lazy bastards actually do something useful with that $20 we gave you for your birthday you COMMIE SCUM

lol this is some bait

So . . . rent is going down?

Nigger how is deflation real?
Just print more money.

good news goyim.
the $2 in your savings account will be worth $2.05

inb4 but prices will remain the same right

r-right?

The Fed is not truly private in any meaningful sense.

lol

Can someone explain to me why deflation is bad without sounding like a jew?

hehe.MAGIC!!!@

Deflation and inflation and other economic terms are FUCKING MEANINGLESS when one class of persons HAS FIRST ACCESS TO and IS BEING PAID FOR the issuance of any newly-created currency. Money does not mean the same thing or have the same scarcity (or have the same value) for all persons in the economy. As some do not earn their money (via real productivity), money is more liquid and less valuable for them, as they have exclusive first-access to the newly-issued currency and they also decide TO WHOM it is allocated via our current debt-based NYFed primary dealer financial system.
As long as we have a cartel of private banks getting paid to issue the currency, the FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE will lose EVEN MORE value for those of us that truly do earn it via productivity.

IT IS THOSE OF US WORKING that choose to prop up this class of parasitic, skillless invalids debauching our currencies worldwide via the Federal Reserve and its increasingly-worthless private currency, the Federal Reserve Note.

It’s bullshit. Deflation benefits labor. Inflation benefits capital.

Companies build inventory based on price x. If price goes down they lose money and stop operations.

Don’t forget both sides always come together to subsidize sports stadiums for billionaire owners, something that should be an easy NO for both sides ideologically.

You’re right about wagies. Most would never admit it, but most of them actually work because they are lost without the structure, and many of the married guys want to escape the stress of the house.

Whoa!
Cool it, buddy...

Yes. Or that fridge which broke down yesterday.
Can wait a year or two.
Catastrophic for goods AND services.
Toothpaste empty? Pah... 2 more weeks and it's basically free!

I like the perpetual bond he had where they never mature and the US just has to pay the interest on them forever. That's it's actually a good deal for the US doesn't stop it from being funny.

That's accounted for in "what they should cost". The balance between profit and what I'm willing to pay is the cost of an item. Simple as.

not my problem

or how about GDP bonds? lol

for new anons:
The Ukrainian government are CAREER CRIMINALS, progressives, they are communists, liberals, socialists, they are funded by the NYFed’s international banks. They bring scorn upon themselves via their corruption and classism. Ukraine has only been a country since 1991.

Russia is once again fighting the communists, as the progressives today in the Ukrainian government have communist ideals (antifa, socialism, welfare, lack of individuality, borderless masses, mass surveillance, no private ownership, debt-based central banking, implementation of a CBDC)
This is just more of the same from 1913 Russia

Liberalism has turned into a plague of poverty, classism and disease.

What we have now is classism being disguised as racism and sexism. It is identical to 1913 Russia, but instead of poverty, the socialists' subversion is in the form of leveraging racial and gender inequities, instead of class. The socialists cannot use class/wealth now to subvert, b/c the socialists ARE the meritless, central bank-funded elitists at the Federal Reserve and its crony ilk.
It is the only way they have left to sow discontent and wrestle more power away from a unified population.

Russia is fighting back against this constant subversion and division.

Did everyone see this video?
Putin to WEF in Jan 2021
youtube.com/watch?v=8ylV43ZjjuM
@ 30:30:
"It is clear that an era associated with attempts to build a centralized unipolar world order is over, it hasn't been started even there were attempts to do just that but it's over. Such a monopoly was inherently contrary to the cultural and historical diversity of our civilization.”

even when all the people dumb enough to trust jews are dead theyre still gonna be pushing the crypto to themselves

Maybe we’ll just pay with bitcoin this time around.

And what is more, why there's a decrease in demand?

Don't change the subject. You said there's deflation in the price of services. In what services have prices decreased?

this is niggerbabble

china numbers are artificial

Sure, only your numbers and kike bankers numbers are real
Eat shit Mutt shill
You Orange nigger had the opportunity to solidify the USA hegemony for at least fifty more years, yet he chose to fight a trade war with the largest industrial nation in this shithole planet and lost.

netflix is cheaper now?

You live in a service based economy and you don't know what a service is?

What services are cheaper?

are my uber eat treats going up in price again? :(

AHHH NO PLEASE HOUSING PRICES CAN'T GO DOWN THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS SOMEBODY HELP

Finances, real estate, insurance, consulting, tech... all are being 'sold' for less.

How do you sell finances for less?
What consulting firms have lowered their prices? Show anything that supports your nonsense.
You won't because you're a tranny faggit?

Mine. Our team went from 40 to 9 in the last month. I received raises this year, but our contracts will be lower since they're for a much smaller group.

Americans truly are a dense people, when fewer loans are made, less interest are paid, and the revenue of finances is reduced.

Screw the shareholders, think of the boomers who will only be able to sell their house for 12X what they paid for it instead of 14X. Tragic.

thats not prices being lowered you retarded favela monkey
go swing on a vine down to your local library and read the definition of deflation

And what about what the customers are charged for the services? They got charged less while you got paid more? Sounds unlikely.

No but interest rates are high for this very reason. All they have to do is cut the rate again and turn the money printer back on.
How do you fucks not know that the FED controls boom/bust cycles and inflation/deflation using monetary policy?

All they have to do is cut the rate again a

Holy shit is this dude still at it?

Yes, they're obviously paying less for the contract since there is a fraction of the people left. You can think it is unlikely, but that's what happened. These are contracts impacted by doge.

I didn't say it would fix anything or not lead to recession. This economy is fucked and has been since 2008. Been running on fumes and headed for collapse so we can get those digital dollarinos and UBI.

when fewer loans are made, less interest are paid, and the revenue of finances is reduced

This is hilarious. That isn't deflation, retard. That's decreased demand. Deflation of the price of services in your ridiculous example would be origination fees being lowered.
Go back to redbit, monkey

You're right, but at the moment we need high rates to refinance the $7T nut coming up in June. Knowing that the Fed will drop rates immediately after, thus increasing the value of treasuries, is how we're going to get this done when all of the major players are facing a liquidity crisis.

This doesn't make sense. You're billing out the same projects at a lower rate because your team is smaller? That's stupid.

headed for collapse

no

A reminder, Federal Reserve Notes are what are being issued to worthless oblivion and

the US dollar is a fucking UNIT

We need to AGAIN issue debt-free, Treasury-issued US Notes like we did before (and during) the bloodsucking, obsolete Federal Reserve. We need to AGAIN issue debt-free US Notes that are pegged to a basket of commonly-used weighted commodities, distributed by a series of state banks.

We can:
1 nationalize Fed banks
OR
2 dissolve Fed and have a series of state banks
OR
3 issue US Notes simultaneously AGAIN and eventually recycle worthless Federal Reserve Notes out of circulation
OR
4 YOU CAN RIGHT NOW: use cash/barter/stack/use credit unions/use cold wallets, these five things IMMEDIATELY transfer power directly to the people

USE CASH, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE IN, cash IMMEDIATELY puts the power in the hands of the people.

Real paper cash:

is permissionless

is private

is anonymous

has no transaction fees

works in power outages

doesn’t need the internet

don't need to be a coder to use it

doesn't depend on another party having a device

everyone knows exactly how much they have

has no transaction limits or thresholds for reporting

money laundering is harder with physical cash, due to transport

is inclusive, it does not see race

is harder to use in ransoms

can’t be hacked

don’t need to remember a password to use it

IS the ultimate in payment platforms

using cash helps people to save money and budget

puts the power directly in the hands of the people

keeps the currency near the REAL goods and services

less paperwork

is face to face, not face to screen

makes government theft harder

using cash forces the debt-based Federal Reserve to serve the citizens

Boycott businesses that do not take cash.
NEVER USE YOUR PHONE TO PAY.
Barter is the real torpedo to these fucking clowns.

((( Trump and his friends will fix the world with crypto coin )))

They wouldn't do anything bad to us like they are the Palestinians

this only makes sense if you work in an industry where pay is based on headcount and not results. Therefore, not applicable as once again this is an issue of demand.

Trump and his friends will fix the world with crypto coin