I am pro-choice, but I can't stand pro-choice people. To me...

Pro-life here. Ideally zero abortions, I’m willing to compromise:

Abortions MUST include TWO sterilizations to be authorized. The mother must be sterilized and a man must be sterilized as well.

The man does not have to be proven the father, but he must agree without being under duress.

Under these circumstances, the abortion would be permitted. The patient must pay for the procedure.

I believe this is a compromise that suits all three sides of the argument.

Just because they are like that, it does not mean their kid will turn out bad.

I’m completely anti-abortion and really don’t understand the grey area centrists. “It’s okay to murder babies if you reeeallly want to, or if you’re poor”. No, murdering babies is always wrong. Just have the backbone to take the observation (unborn babies are people) to its logical, moral conclusion.
It is horrifying realizing that millions of babies are killed by their own mothers every year, but it is a fact. And the sooner we all admit it, the sooner we can move away from this barbarism.

No such thing as qualified, retard

Look, you embrace the punitive aspect of abortion. Is having a kid truly this ultimate punishment? For the parents it might be, but the kid did not do anything wrong.

What about the side of the kid who was not born? In your description, the kid, the mother and a simp of hers are punished.

Leftists are just misled white people. That's stupid.

nah they shouldn't get pregnant to begin with. They need their tubes tied and castrated. If they have an abortion it should be treated as murder

Pro choice was great.
Pro abortion is better.
No one killed more shitskins and unwanted children than the abortion doctor. If nothing else the birth of these children will be a drain on law enforcement and welfare systems. Now we have brown babies being adopted by gay couples in droves.
You won.

Abortion should not be used as a birth control method. Women view it that way, and it's absolutely fucking abhorrent.
Make them kill their own meat and watch them become vegetarians in an hour. Tell them they can suck the baby out of their twat and they just keep on going, because somehow they can't grasp the inherent horror of the act itself

I see your point about racist reasons to support abortions. Leftist men, or men who pretend to be leftist, get to have white babies with white wives. Being a toxic shitbhead is why being an incel is your fault.

It is relativism. Ultimately, abortion seems to boil down to disliking humanity (especially poor people). Unfortunately, that is an extremely popular attitude for a variety of reasons. Back in the days of Singer and the Planned Parenthood, it was an active attempt from the powerful to reduce hood populations. Now abortion has become a matter of women's rights, which means that curtailing abortion becomes an offense against the women and the preservation of life aspect of it all is lost. They do not consider that many of unborn children are women.

misled

they deserve self annihilation with their POZZED sentiment , no redemption

No, they are a genetic enclave within whites.

Shitty politics of right wing MAGA fools will ensure incels never have kids killing off the RIGHT kind of voters. Just like anti vax and non compliance with medical regulations allows leftist doctors to euthanize right wing voters. Trust me left wing elderly get extra care. Sick left wing people get additional resources and attention from nurses and doctors. My favorite was watching covid deniers gasp for air like a fish on shore. Classic kek.

ideally

compromise

See the difference here?

The point is, there is only ONE pro-abortion argument I will even entertain:

someone who would murder their child would likely do even worse

So fine, if you show up and say “hello, I am a child murderer”, you lose your right to create children forever.

I used to instead support free (or even compensated) sterilization, but I know that would lead to absolutely immediate population collapse as 70% of 18 year old girls would sterilize themselves.

Instead they are given a very real choice at a very real inflection point:
You are about to be a mother, if you choose to kill your child now, you will be branded as unfit for motherhood and sterilized.

As for the men, it doesn’t matter. Any dude who shows up to be sterilized for a woman should be, so I’m not fussed about who shows up, so long as it is proven they themselves are fertile before sterilization.

I imagine it would actually be a nice economic boon for the incel crowd, as they can sell their sterilization off to the highest bidder.

I'm pro-choice when it comes to governance but very pro-life morally.

I was pro choice until everyone started saying white men are evil. Now I find it hard to care.

I also have a "nuanced" opinion

abortion is homicide

rape is an act of violence

abortion, in the case of rape, is self-defence

in the event that the pregnancy or birth would result, with reasonable certainty, in the death of the mother, abortion is an act of self-defence

what is the worst for me is that pro-choice people hate the word "murder"
abortion is murder, once they swallow the fact they might be able to self reflect

I call myself pro abortion. I literally give zero shits about worthless "mothers" killing their own kids. Let the trash take itself out.

rape doesnt exist

still doing the jews work award
You also annihilated the Germans in ww2. How'd that go for you?

My daughter will not carry some nigger rape baby.

I’ve made this argument for decades; that if we treat abortion as murder we already have exceptions for rape and threat to the mother. Incest is almost always rape anyways so it doesn’t get a special exception, it gets to be a cautionary tale.

This is the way. Also checked HH brother

Also pro-abortion-rights, similar concerns. A fetus isn't a person but that doesn't mean it's completely free of concern, and finding people really glorifying and reveling in it is weird.

Also anti-choicers I divide silently into two camps, the people who really believe it's murder (who I disagree with but I respect) and the people who just have some other weird fucking reason, like punishing women or encouraging traditional behavior using pregnancy as a lever. The latter strike me as weird and hateful.

I think the lack of compromise and the continuous debate on this serves primarily as a driver of the red/blue blender though. Arguing about abortion uses up time on demographics, and I think that's why we have it dangled in front of us constantly.

Why would that ever happen, libtard

That's your punishment for allowing your daughter to get raped.

Because niggers are apes that the state won't let us kill and uses them to attack whites
Yeah sure because I can be by my daughters side 24/7

Forgot to clarify, rape is analogous to trespassing rather than self defense.

Your non-rape baby is not trespassing because you invited them.

Rape must be reported in less than 24 hours after the victim is free from their assailant (with reasonable exception if they are dumped in the wilderness or some shit).

But if you get “raped” then show up for your work shift the next day, only to report a rape 4 weeks later? Nah fuck off bitch.

Your teaching led her to the situation.

it’s murder

This is something people say, out loud, because it is obvious and true

like punishing women or encouraging traditional behavior using pregnancy as a lever.

This is something no one ever says, that leftists make up in their delusional minds and project onto others.

Do you understand that? That the latter is you trying to do a “mind reading” trick and determine what complete fucking strangers are “really thinking”?

You see that, right?

My teaching won't stop a gang of niggers hunting for the last blonde haired blue eyed women to rape.

You're a false flagging libtard and probably an Israeli

Bro, same. Huge philosophical impact on the pro-choice side. Rather than trying to justify why this case of murder is ok, pro-choicers try to argue that it isn't, in fact, murder. I am pro-choice and I believe abortion is murder.

We are far from the allergies of Telemachus.

I think it's a shitty form of birth control and many things could be done before needing it. It shouldn't be illegal, but it should have some shame

It's ending a human life whether or not it is "murder".
You can't argue that it is the ending of a himan life.
You have to be careful with your word use or you might end up arguing for hours about different things.

I don't consider niggers human

You're a false flagging libtard. It doesn't matter what you think.

What choice are you referring to?

There's no such thing as a right wing woman. Therefore even your children may end up getting aborted. Abortion kills children whose fathers are right wing but whose mothers are left wing for sure.

You believe abortion is killing a human, not necessarily murder.

Killing a human in self defense is not murder.

Should your parents have been able to dismember you?

In some instance, not casually.
And my death should be recognized by those who would mourn me.

I say free abortions for non-white women. For reparations. Assuming the baby is fully white, the woman must pay 1000% tax on the abortion, the proceeds of which will go to funding abortions for WoC. I think this is quite fair.

Depends on if I was egregiously trespassing or threatening their lives, under this framework.

I unironically think if you workshopped this and put more thought into it, you could make the left go for it.