FRANCE REFUSES TO GIVE INDIA SOURCE CODE FOR RAFALES

We kind of did for a while. We even achieved air dominance against them kek

en.namu.wiki/w/프랑스-태국 전쟁#s-4

This They're also not IT geniuses, they're scammers. I seen a jeet pull up a plain text notepad that had all of his passwords during a zoom meeting once, pajeets are the reason why you have to renew passwords daily on your corporate account.

I know what F-21s are, they're basically Block 70 F-16s. We're familiar with them because America tried to sell them to us under a predatory loan scheme after India rejected them. We immediately saw it was a scam so we went with Gripen Es instead.

Right i remember south east asia being you guys and french-indochina in my HoI4 games kek

Holy kek

I would say that it's a pretty sane thing to for Country wanting to keep some secrecy regarding its latest fighter jet...

Exports_VeR° are sold with a contract, why wanting to change that after having bought them and pulling us to build some Indain Factory to produce the majority we sold them over there on the long run ?
Does the question is self ansewered ?

No, we must absolutely upheld ourselves to a level of desilusion that we'll have 100% faith in them not trying to use it for their local development nor even wouldn't somehow have an unfrotunate incident in which the source code might get "leaked" to someone...
And I am not even speaking about China, but a far worse long time adversaries, or dare I say, context-dependant ennemies..?

Picrel: Article for those who'd like to read a bit more of about it

Friendly reminder that Rafails are Gen 4.0 planes.
Gen 4.5 does not exist, it's just Eurocuck cope cause they can't into stealth.
Real stealth planes (not the Su57) make these Euroturd Dorito planes OBSOLETE.

India fails to surreptitiously steal Rafale source code through political coercion.

FTFY

Looks like the poos subscription ran out out. They redeemed and lost

BLOODY BASTERD BITCH REDEEM THE NEEDFUL SOURCE CODE

Code-Leaks frrom the hydrolics source surely...

Hum, totally certain...

Why is source code necessary?

Just ignite jet and attach your own machine guns no?

Based frogs fuck poo niggers

India has the best coders in the world! I'm sure they will figure it out.

Nobody is going to give anyone's source codes. US won't, Russia won't why would India expect France to give them source code?

If India bought 1 (ONE) F35 it would be more useful than their entire Rafale fleet.
Assuming 2 things that India can't do:
1. Pilot that knows how to take advantage of stealth
2. Proper maintenance

I thought the f21 was too expensive to manufacture.

we anglos figured that shit out as well

regarding its latest fighter jet

The Rafale has been DOA and obsolete by the mid 90's. Stop posting that cope WW2 style dogfight against the F22, your shit plane lost to the Pakistani in a BVR scenario which is real combat, not WW2 acrobatics.

Rude.

Why would they give them the source code? Have you not seen how awful their coding is? Give them access to the source code and they'll somehow make jets explode on startup or eject the pilot instead of firing a mission

youtube tutorial sar, how to root into rafale...

Peak IT and code wizards.

Can't figure out 50 year old code.

Hmmmm.

Do it. Rafael is just a jet. Indian humiliation is priceless

Good morning sir, this is Microsoft support. Please, download Teamviewer and redeem the source code

Holy.... AIM... Side winder over the heat...

French humiliation*

Your top of the line plane being BTFO by a chink temu gen 4.0 jet is embarrassing.
But anyone with even 5 minutes in DCS is not surprised.

they really want to shit every github repo

Im dumb, can you not just use a password manager? kek

Nigga they bought 200 million dollar Rafales.

India cant do

there's the catch.
But no, Im just tired of zigger boomer types thinking India is a serious part of BRICS, and not a pro America 5th columnist.
Extremely fucking based.
What are your thoughts on the monarchy and the liberals in your country constantly seething at them?

lookin at that post and that flag saar

you have redeemed one hearty kek

What's the point of this?
t. barely understand how to download what I need from github

I seen a jeet pull up a plain text notepad that had all of his passwords during a zoom meeting once

bruh......

Saar ples kindly redeem the source code

Bloody porkistani here to humiliate anything kek just look at the state of you terrorists. No one is going to buy your slop story about shooting down Indian planes.. ones a begger always a begger. India is going to buy f-22 and finish the failed state of porkistanis ones and for all.

eprom hacking will begin LOL should be fun, members and save the source code poojeets

India's been haggling over the Rafales for over a decade now. These filthy street shitters deserve everything they get.

SAAAR
GIVE CODE SAAAR

Why can't the superior jeet hardcore coders just decompile it? Has Elon been lying to me about their natural superiority?

I don't see that as humiliation for the French at all. In a technological arms race the opponent can always teach you a lesson and give you the opportunity to improve.

But for jeets losing to Pakistan is the ultimate humiliation ritual. They are currently on full media lockdown and palki Sharma is having daily meltdowns. Life is good

Monarchy is just a figurehead for the privy council/natsec council and military. Their value is more symbolic than anything else, and our populist liberals already formed political alliances with many conservatives just to prevent the new 5th column liberals from coming to power.

Basically we treat our most redditard zoomer liberals the same way Germany treats AfD or France treats National Rally.

source code

for a fucking fighter jet

What kind of French jewry is this?

This is not uncommon. Shit we won't even give our NATO allies the source code to the F-35. EVEN THOUGH IT'S BUGGY AS SHIT lol.

we anglos

Do pilots even do anything anymore or is the thing 100% fly by wire

Well, that figure you put is farfetched...
One Unit is reallly lower than 280M, but what it says on the whole package for a defined batch is that is caryy, continued assistance with French overseeing, maintenance, parts, trainings, and others miscellaneous and mandatory readiness level of critical importance. Plus, a big Industrial proping of India Aero Fighting Jet Ind to "let them" produce Ind-Rafales under Dassault-Licence, implying they wont have control over things like, said Source-Code, but will be able to hoard vast knowledges from Engineering, Material, and Technical perspectives...
And also other side-kicks pertaining to foster the development of mutual relation including helping India with some of their internal challenges.

So all in all, the bigger figure of a whle package doen't really reflects the base unit-price.
It's over simplifying to so to say,

Pretty sure almost every country does this, including the US, to prevent technology theft

The Jeets can improve from this.
The French can't really improve the Rafale since it's been obsolete for 30 years already. They have to drop the dorito and get a better platform.
I mean they should if they had any sense, guess they'll keep using this into the 2050's which is lol lmao. Even Turkey is doing better than them.

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Nigga they bought 200 million dollar Rafales

didnt know France even accepted iTune store credit and prepaid visa cards scammed off boomers

Dude planes haven't been aerodynamically balanced or stable in flight for like 50+ years now. Software has to correct the control surfaces in a feedback loop many times per second to keep modern fighter jets from dropping out of the air like stones.

The aircraft pretends to be in level flight and you add your inputs to it, but in reality the aircraft is performing a lot of math and adjustments at all times just to keep you flying in a straight line and not crashing instantly.

Based frogs. Redeem the code.

Are you suggesting other countries exclude followup services from their sell price? Maybe that's the case but I'd like to see data to back that claim.

Rent free.

I knew that was the case in the Boeing Max but I didn't know it extended to jet fighters. That's ridiculous.

I guess more topically, why would India need the source code anyway? Just don't get shot down by pakistan.

technology theft

It's a fucking 1980's platform ahahahahaha what technology theft?
It's not any better than the geriatric F16 my fucking god you french are hilarious.

The aircraft pretends

Atleast France doesn't reserve the right to turn your planes off

get absolutely shat on

hehe rent free I won this

Keep coping frog

THEY COULDN'T BUILD A FUCKING PLANE IF THEY TRIED YOU RETARD

Hey nigger get back to your south Africa thread, you didn't respond to my question.

what an ugly plane..
why would anyone create something so hideous

The problem is the fucking refuel bar on the nose. It's honestly not a bad looking plane otherwise

You NEVER give away your source code.
You are customers, nothing more.
Maybe the Jeets should choose better pilots ( I suggest ex French Air Army pilots) - but it wont be cheap.
p.s. In a simulated dogfight a French Rafale pilot beat an F35 - yes, he bent the airframe doing it, but he won.

for most of the cases they must have taken an IT course or watched a YouTube tutorial, on introducing Git, and more specifically the pull/push mechanisms, the jeet teacher/youtuber must have suggested they push mock commits onto a known repo instead of creating one for the course.

It's actually extremely sexy, just a bad picture.
That's the only quality it has.

There is the famous story of some guy in an F-15, I think an Israeli, thinking he got some battle damage and flew it back to base and landed with only one wing intact. The software performed beautifully and even compensated for the damage, keeping him in level stable flight even without him keeping his hand on the stick.

F-15 isn't aerodynamically stable either though, neither is the F-16, or anything beyond that in the US. Not sure about before but the F-4 is I'm pretty sure.

I knew that was the case in the Boeing Max but I didn't know it extended to jet fighters.

You can't get the kind of performance we have today with aerodynamically stable aircraft. If you want to make a plane that performs better than one designed in the 1950s you have to use these techniques. It's not optional. Stealth is even worse, look at the F-117a, the thing is basically a lifting body which is the only reason it can fly other than the software. It would crash like a lawn dart if the computers failed for 30 seconds. Probably fly apart too, they have to design the control systems within what's called the 'envelope' which is the combination of lift, thrust, and turning your airframe can endure before the wings rip off and the fuselage comes apart.

Pilots are confined to a software environment designed to prevent this damage so they don't blow up their plane by maneuvering it too crazy, too.

A french pervert is always erect.

there is a lot of shit to orchestrate, try doing this at +5g while people are shooting at you
youtu.be/wRhpHeXDd1g?

pull/push mechanisms

I have no idea what this could mean, but thanks for trying to help me out.

Left plane: RCS of a barn
Right plane: RCS of a BAAAARN

Both have been obsolete since the 90's

Ps: unironically this And let it be known that it's a Germanon telling this about Indians that in all objectivity, are just samefaggingly making astonishing type of requests that Germans try do pull during the development of the "Euro Fighter Jet Program" which Dassault was a critical part, but refused to cave its most cherished patents over some good boy points and so just decided to to secede from the Euro project to developp it's own new gen Fighter to renew the Mirage-2000X's fleets....
Hence the name "Eurofigher" for the tidbit of history.

I even think germanon could elaborate a bit more eventually...

Lmaoooo

They want code-monkey jobs and you're expected to show that you're active. So they shit up every random repo they can find so that their profile shows daily activity.

1000s of posts on stackoverflow asking how to compile it

If you had outsourced coding to India your code would have been naturally obfuscated and you wouldn't be having this problem.

LOL Dassault really did call Macron and had him tell India to back doen.

Especially in the army

Russia's planes are tougher and huge and they use fly by wire too. They are arguably better at this now, they have had supermaneuvering for quite a while and their pilots are loving it. Our planes can't do that shit yet, neither the F-22 nor the F-35 can supermaneuver.

I guess it's probably not super critical seeing as how air combat is mostly done by missile from 100+ miles away these days but it's still cool.

youtube.com/watch?v=3iaYyYFicMw

I think you're being a bit dramatic with the wings ripping off metaphors. Those are like the strongest things on the planet, but I guess I get your point.

I'm curious about this now though. Guess I should put on some fighter jet documentaries. Thanks anon.

No modern fighter jet is stable. They require continuous micro adjustments.
This is the tradeoff if you want maneuverability (dogfighting) and good aerodynamics (range).

And also other side-kicks pertaining to foster the development of mutual relation including helping India with some of their internal challenges.

lol

how soon until AI jet pilots with perfect BVR strategy and sub-human reaction dogfighting ?

Do you think history and german autism will repeat themselves for the SCAF program?

PLEASE SARS SHARE CODE!

Just image if pajeets get their hands on the code and starts modifying it.
How fucking terrifying to imagine such a weapon running on pajeet code.

Friendly reminder that Pajeets are subhuman

Pajeet Street food

Nta but I know planes have been basically robotic since the 70s. I just thought fighter jets had less autonomy.

Fwiw, asking AI when planes will be fully autonomous is says in about 20 years. I'm skeptical, but I'm also skeptical about trucks being autonomous.

such a weapon

A 1980's plane that is the equivalent to the F16?

You laugh but F35Ss can be disabled by Americans at their leisure.
Subscription based jet.

Thanks.

Could be worse. Our raptors can randomly decide to stop feeding oxygen to pilots lmao

And you think Eurocuck planes can't be disabled?

At least they don't get shot down by Chink temu missiles because they don't have the RCS of a bus.

tldr, pajeet abysmal work performance in tech reflected in military (which even worse as jeets hate physical work & maintenance)

jeets turn blueprints into brownprints
you give pajeets all the tech secrets and it'll be butchered into bastardized heap of shit just like jeets smear every single thing with poo.
jeets make chinks look like hyperborean atlantean celestials. not even joking.

try lurk Anon Babble. One board that hates pajeets more than Anon Babble. Other boards like Anon Babble, Anon Babble (pre 2020 was heavily infested by pajeets and everyone shits on jeet military integrity)

jeets have low IQ & stupid. But their strong-point is their verbal IQ (jewish verbal aptitude). Coupled with their mental retardation, lack of common sense, their arguments turn them the most hated people in this earth.
jeets can only understand coding because coding is fundamentally "tech language". The way jeet write their pile of shit code is exactly the same as how they talk plenty of words of zero substance.

Bring in real engineering (electrical, mechanical, civil) and pajeets will fail miserably

cleaning & maintenance, and you expect jeets that have zero sense of hygiene & personal safety could bother with maintenance

field inspection, machine operation. jeets hate physical work (physically weak & any physical work = low caste)

RCS

not that relevant anymore, plus we have ceramic RAM now, not that we haven't already been painting the F-16 with RAM

it's pretty standard for new jets

What i thought these jets couldn't be shut down

Oh no

Nice painting and thx for the history reminder too ;)

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On a side note, French and Anglosphericals have always been good at mutually fostering their skills in all types of fileds by various cyclical shenanigans over time around the globe... lol...

PS: The depiction of the Curtiss livery is funny with it's uncanny similar "Obelix" figure... I smiled ;)

was about to call you retarded about the f-21 thing
but yeah you're right
what's wrong with americans

YF-21

F-21 (designation for the kfir)

and now this?

I think you're being a bit dramatic with the wings ripping off metaphors.

Not even slightly.

Those are like the strongest things on the planet, but I guess I get your point.

For their weight, they are designed to perform within the envelope. Same with the fuselage and everything else on a plane. You can't just make everything as strong (thicker and heavier) according to whims. And it's useless to design a plane that will knock its pilot out from redout or blackout beyond what a G-suit can prevent, which is already designed to perform within the limits set by the human body. So weight (ie airframe with expected systems and fuel and payload) + how much a dude can endure in a G-suit without passing out defines the limit of performance.

Trust me but I encourage you to read about it too.

Saars, I will to be doing software upgrade saars! I have stack overflow code to paste saars!

Yeah, I’m with Pierre on this one

not that relevant anymore

Very relevant still. Else all these countries including the US would not be wasting time and money making Gen 6 planes have even stealthier shapes even without vertical stabiliziers.
They'd simply throw RAM on a more aerodynamic plane and call it a day

FRANCE REFUSES TO GIVE INDIA SOURCE CODE FOR RAFALES

source code

just fly the plane, jeet
THANK YOU!

PS: The depiction of the Curtiss livery is funny with it's uncanny similar "Obelix" figure... I smiled ;)

kek as an Asterix fan, I enjoyed this observation

UK gets access to F35 source code as the only teir 1 partner and have used to to integrate meteor, asraam and spear. Israel obviously gets it because jews and they integrate their own EW.

ID Tag Jets For Controlled Wars

When is this mother fucker not going to be right

Interesting. Then yeah I'm gonna dig into this.

I suppose a point you're also making is that, if the plane isn't stable in flight (compared to most commercial airliners) the wings can take a back seat for other things.

Makes it sound like replacing pilots is a priority, as far as arms-racing goes.

Picrel is an image of Boeing wings being flexed.

Left plane: Tiny AESA
Right plane: Big dick AESA

Right can see left from further away and can climb faster.

Both have been obsolete since the 90's

Right can carry big AWACS killer missiles. If you have the shekels you need a heavy weight 4+ gen stopgap.

the US would not be wasting time and money making Gen 6 planes

The US restarted the F-15 production with the EX variant. And 6th gen will be much, much less numerous in services.

Oh wow, good ! I Didn't knew that...

You might even make the most out of the Gripen due to it's peculiar roughly flat terrain TO&L versatility...
Which is absolutely compensating its somewhat relative low "endurance"/range of action...

Something that you might cherish due to military culture... Guerilla type fast moving, quickly poping & disapearing tactical edge you used during the whole wide Nam era if I am not mistake...
But feel free to correct me if am wrong ;)

Pajeets dont need source code since they dont even fly AWACS.

Makes it sound like replacing pilots is a priority, as far as arms-racing goes.

Yep, UAVs will be faster and can maneuver within a broader envelope just simply by leaving the pilot out of the design. Then you can shift the human out of the design specs, their weight, their need to see out of a nice big canopy, etc. And then the problem becomes the lag of the loop when you feed the telemetry to the pilot sitting in a chair under a mountain in Colorado or whatever, and he or she performs the maneuvers, and that information is relayed to the aircraft, and back in that loop.

I can tell you as an amateur musician that I can sense anything more than an 8ms lag between me hitting a key and hearing the sound. I have measured this extensively myself, I've been tinkering with electronic music since the '90s and it was necessary to find this number to set up my system properly in those days. I'm sure a pilot has a similar sense of lag. So get any laggier than 8ms and it starts to suck. FPS games start to suck with a 60ms lag and you have to 'lead' the enemy unnecessarily. 100ms is unplayable.

Which is why it is a mystery Australia rejected Japan's submarine deal for a French submarine deal, which was forcibly cancelled by Biden admin, and as a consequence, Australia was forced to pay 1 billion dollar fine to France. Now, Australia gets no submarines

speed is the new stealth, the rest of the world is busy catching up to what we were doing in the 1990s and in the meantime radar has improved so much that all our new prototypes are built for mach +2 speed again.
America rugpulled the fuck out of the world getting them to buy the f-35

That's 'proofing' before they ship it, they will then perform a lot of tests to see if that particular wing on that particular plane sustained any damage.

They do the same thing to a cannon before the government will accept it from the cannon making firm. Overstuff the charge and use a heavier projectile than spec, shoot that cannon, and if it fails or sustains damage? Well the government won't buy it. In many European countries they still proof personal firearms too, with special overstuffed proof rounds. And if your gun passes the barrel and receiver each receive a proofmark.

What's this kikery with modern fighter jets?
We will sell it to you but you can't use it in war unless we say so okay.

Gripen is just easier to maintain and more cost-effective as well. And Sweden agreed to tech transfers. We already used Gripen C/Ds to devastating effect in exercises against Su-27s.

SAMIR
SAMIR YOU ARE BREAKING THE PLANE

You are quite wrong. F-15 is a naturally stable aircraft, as is the f117. It's true that from f-16 onwards fighter aircraft now have relaxed stability, but doesn't mean they're unfliable, just that they would be very tiring to control for a human pilot - a p51 mustang with rear fuel tanks will be dynamically unstable until those tanks are empty. The reason an f16 will crash without computers is simply because there is no direct mechanical connection between the flight stick and the control surfaces, but that is true for a naturally stable airbus as well.

this is why Australia fucked them on that submarine deal and swaped them for americans

they knew the cheese surrender monkeys aren't to be trusted in anything war related

Ohh... It's you again loool... !!!

To whom it may concern:
This desilusioned flager has been so but hurt getting handed on the thread about the downed Rafale almost 2 days ago...
If you want to have hearthly chuckle it's still here .....SNEED.....

Sweden agreed to tech transfers

But the USA has to agree for export, isn't it?

Nevermind about the f117, i was wrong about that one.

They are literally the only country who has demonstrated a successful ICBM in the last 15 years.

I heard nothing of this. US threatened to block the sale of Gripens to Colombia too but that deal is still going forward.

9 out of 12 gripen lost

still a suicide commando then lol

writes all this shit for me specifically

You're clearly still butt blasted since I BTFO'd you in that thread.
Were you mental midget able to google what BVR is or you still think your dogfight mock combat means anything?

yeah. i was putting up with this stupidass yesterday too.

the only problem not gate keeping the board is these pieces of shit keep showing up

F-15 is stable? News to me. I'll look into this personally.

Learn your lesson: never buy French again, Jeetos!

And PLAAF is probably a lot deadlier now as a result of such exercises.

I didn't post yesterday shit for brains.
Let me guess you also believe the Rafale beats the F22 cause of that silly mock fight? Because this is what you're defending basically.
Retards.

Hans, if we weren't there to pick up the slack after you kept voting Green, you wouldn't have enough electricity to post here.

We are doing the jeets a favor.
Giving them the code mean the streetshitters will try to "improve" it.
That mean the entire fleet will crash the next morning.
Being a responsible adult mean not letting the retarded kid a hammer to break his toys with, even if that make him sad.

Nigger
Rafale cost 67 millions and F-35 80millions.

what them reflash the board computer in java

I was talking about your entire gypsie country you worthless lowlife loudmouth sack of garbage nobody wants you here

especially you in particular, penniless shitskin

Why would you give scammers proprietary source code?

Why will someone buy any of fighter jet if they will need permission before flying everytime this is jewish af?

chinese smear piece

No wonder.
And of course nobody give source code to anybody when it come to weapons. It's not even a debate.

No you said you talked to me yesterday, I didn't post yesterday at all you shit for brains fentanyl monkey.
You're clearly one confused shitskin maybe put down the drugs eh?

8ms is pretty fast though. I imagine autonomous systems with zero input Iag are the preffered end goal.

We are living in a strange time with all this AI, huh?

Rafale cost 67millions you subhuman shitskin.

Yes, they will totally bother reverse engineering outdated code that's clearly fucking trash and also over a generation behind modern technology.

It would likely take modern France two generations to make a piece of shit half as good as this plane was most likely

6-0. Indian air force is terrible. Please train them better before engaging with Pakistan! India has humiliated itself on the world stage. Letting 6 Indian jets be shot down by Pakistani/Chinese jets in an Indian surprise attack is shameful. It’s been nearly 80 years and Indians still can’t take Kashmir from Pakistan. Now all India can do is cope and make up stinky bullshit online. If you’re going to crash your jets or get shot down then at least come for some tea like in 2019.

Well it's not confirmed it was 6 but honestly one is kind of a big deal.

Dassault wagie your jets are shit.

Fuck pajeet, you disgusting subhumans

losing to the Pakistani Air Force

Rafale bros time to link the fake dogfight against the F22 again to save face. It's the only thing we have going for us.

yes they would and they try to use nationalism, stir up sentiment up against france to cover for their loss

To clarify, those Su-27s were Soviet-era planes (the only Flankers sold by the Soviet Union before the collapse) with ancient avionics. Gripen radars saw them from far away so of course they dominated. It would've been an embarrassment if they didn't.
However in that same aerial practice, those ancient Su-27SKs (J-11s) dominated the Gripens in visual range exercises, as well they should.

But yeah, Gripen is preferable over other western planes due to cost. Still, Thailand should eventually move onto Chinese planes, the same way they switched to Chinese tanks, ships and submarines. If not J-10 then J-35.

They were already deadly back then. It's an old exercise from 2015, their J-16s were already in the air and those J-11s, especially the old Su-27SK batches, were already getting relegated to trainer squadrons. youtube.com/watch?v=EN5ySqO1W98

They train girls on them now youtube.com/watch?v=OFOTCllWo-E

mock fight

That was the least restricted dog fight exercice that ever happened you brownoid mongrel.
RAF Eurofailure got absolutly destroyed by Rafale 7 to 1. And the one kill was because the first round was 4 to 0 for the Rafale, so the second round has the Rafale with and handicap to be "more fair".
And it was pretty much the only time where the F-22 freely fought eurocanrd planes. Eurofailure scored no kill, while the Rafale scored 1 maybe more, but we only have the video for one.

ALLEZ LES BLEUS

Yes, and I said they should be even deadlier since then.

Dab on any american failure of planes.
F-16 got dabbed on by Mirage 2000. How many F-16 lost by turkey against greek Mirage 2000 ? Shit can't turn and have abysmal fly by wire commands. Crashed or almost crashed in the aegean sea so much time trying to follow Mirage 2000.

This is peak cope. Your 4.5 fighter is shit and the only talking point you have is a fake and gay military exercise against the UK.

I'm sure you dont even know what erxercice i speak about. Because you dont know shit overall.

ar*p pilots

lol your uncle got killed in an F-16 Mahmoud pay some respect.

And then you lost in BVR vs motherfucking Pakistan lmao.
F22 has no business dogfighting anything it's main strength is BVR, just because it is somewhat maneuverable it doesn't mean it should be used like that.
I've already explained this 2 days ago is having goldfish memory required to be hired at the Dassault damage control team?

Absolutely this.

Tell your bosses to cry to Macron again.

turkroach

sandniggers

They aren't the same thing, mutt.

they will break it, pretend the problem was there from the start, then complain and blame france for the issue?

you lost

India lost one Rafale and we still dont know why.
Nobody cared when 2 F-15 were lost against houthis, or one eurofailure got also lost against the houthis. Which dont even have an airforce.

How many F-16 lost by turkey against greek Mirage 2000?

a single one

Yes, and also sell it to china/etc.

Les copains, imagine being Eric Trappier, having Modi on the phone pretending to be Jimmy for Microsoft and asking for the source code to check for malware.
What would you do?

Oh btw

F22 has no business dogfighting anything it's main strength is BVR

That absolute cope.
They dont care about dog fight so they made him 2 powerfull engines, thrust vectoring and chose the agile F-22 instead of the YF-23 which was more stealth because they didn't cared at all about dog fight and only cared about BVR.
Just kys uneducated faggot.

I accept you concession.

Mon ami I would say monsieur this is a Le Wendy.

And?
Imagine if apple sold you a refurbished mac pro but wouldn’t unlock it because you might download a microsoft game.

I think you're being a bit dramatic with the wings ripping off metaphors

there is a video of a frogfoot disintegrating from the start of the oinkraine war

Crashed or almost crashed in the aegean sea so much time trying to follow Mirage 2000

I wasn't even speaking about the fox 2 kill against the roach you turkroach.

At least you don’t have to pay them billions a year to send their finest in boats.

I didnt concede shit mahmoud thats what your bosses did when they told Macron to end the paki war so they wouldnt get embarrassed by temu jets and missiles.

F22 is a missile bus. Dogfighting is a worst case scenario for the F22 because it loses it's selling point which is the stealth.
Even a dumbass like you could admit that the stealth on the F22 is more important than the thrust vectoring and engines.

DCS faggot, jump in a Rafale and try to beat a F22 mediocre pilot, see how many times you manage to close the gap and enter a dogfight.

You literally did.
Because you literally proved you didn't know what it was about by not answering the very simple question i asked and called name instead you retard mutt.

Last time I checked we have F35 Mr brown gipsy.

none of the delta cannard shit is human flyable, you would need another arm and stick and there are only that many axis you can controll precise

Humm, I don't really know for sure regarding other nation but it's always more or less dependant on what can be gained by providing TechProducts other than just simply sheer amounts of money
Commerce is important for OEM's cause it allow them to invest in development and thus prompting new techs/products, but military trades are mostly important in regards to foreign policies, geopolitical situation, such types of things I'd say

So for example, the US has a costly F35, but they are pushing it hard onto what they deemed "vulnerable" countries, in so that they might get influenced by another nation if they opt for other their Jets/whatever important MIL tech
So the US is basically subsidizing the buying of F35 to many many country to retain their geopolitical grip and foster their foreign policies ie: Whole EURO-NAFOs getting whole F35 fleets while not buying much of Eurofighters even at the time the F35 was still in dev... Eurofighter being quite older though

They didn't even bat an eye at the Rafale cause we seceded from the Eurotrash prog, and EuroNAFOs were utterly buthurt by that
And the Rafale is for them like holy water to, well... let's say vampires such as that one Valachian larping Romanianaon ITT lool

But we could say the same thing with Chine literally subsidizing the PAK fleets, the Russian towards the nation in their sphere of Influence, and also us too, with a peculiar exemple such as, without spilling too much beans, but the openly known Stellar MISTRAL- Russian fiasco that we had to "refund", no No-Refund policiy written in the contract
Plus we didn't had any use of these units as we already had some in our navy, so what to do with it you migh ask
- "selling" both to Egypt, in the form of subisidized grants, merging/blending them into the already existing MIL trades such as their Air Force being Rafale enjoyers.
Middle East critically strategical nation, Location,neighbours, Suez etc and more ... ;)

Others might ad to it eventually...

You are still crying about a military exercise when in actual war your shit jet got shot down. Macron had to literally tell India they couldnt fly Rafales anymore because Dassault would go out of business.

F35 buys are bribes to the US for support, anybody with a brain has figured that out by now.
White elephants.

missile bus

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Get a load of this faggot lmao.
F-15EX IS a missile bus, not the F-22. Even the old F-4 carry more missiles than a F-22.

use heavy and slow weapons platform in dogfight against light and fast jets with longer range

die

India doesn't know how to use the shit we send them

Is there anyone on India's side in this scam? Giving away the source code to an advanced weapons system is an axiomatically bad idea.

/pig/ is back, even if just for a fleeting moment

F106, Mirage iii and j35 draken are aerodynamically stable and quite maneuverable, although not quite as good as if they had relaxed stability.

you are still crying

uh ?
It's you who dont know what you speak about and is somehow mad about it.
Meanwhile losing one fighter because some random third worlder shat the bed against a nuclear power, while you just lost 3 jets against goat herders with no airforce at all...

do you unironically believe maneuverability is not needed for bvr? That is the lifeline of the plane

Old ones, yes.
New ones are instable since fly by wire allow it. Since the F-16 and Mirage 2000, almost all new fighters are instable and delta wings help a lot when it come to "being instable", hence it was an achievement to do it in the past.

unwilling to hand over the critical software backbone that governs the Rafale’s mission systems, weapons integration, and avionics suite

access to the Rafale fighter jet’s source code

BASED

This is the perfect opportunity for indians to say "We built the code from the ground up" and be proud of their national coding expertise.

The US Navy running fron the Houthis is hilarious. Just like your government pushing for a cease fire in the Paki India conflict because anymore of your jets being exposed will mean your clients will switch to Chinese jets.

this is 100% jewish behaviour. baguettes showing their true form

The whole point of stealth is to stay outside the enemy radar tracking zone while the enemy is inside yours.
So yeah it is used as a missile bus, you have no reason to get close to the enemy.
The ultra maneuverability is a last resort in case the enemy gets too close it was never the selling point of the plane.

When the F22 came out the Americans said they have the best STEALTH plane not the best thrust vectoring plane, fagget.
So yeah you beat it once by denying it's main advantage, boo whooo

India should ally with Russia after this

India can just buy Russian planes instead.

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india did not make a deal that included this level of access it is indeed indian behavior by india
I side with the frogs

Literally. You need to be able to pull lot of Gs to make enemy missiles lose energy while they are trying to stay on target (aka you).
Hence during the longest time before some Bourget in the 90s. Western intelligence where thinking cobra manoeuver was very useful to avoid BVR missiles. But a french pilote flew on a SU-27 and was trained by the russians to do the manoeuver and it was discovered that it couldn't keep pull it long enough to be relevant.
Or course pulling Gs against missiles of any type is usefull. Probably even more now that long range missiles AA with quasi ballistic trajectory are becoming the norm, pulling Gs and getting a small annular error can't save you because the missile wont be able to correct it trajectory in time while diving to you (we speak about R77 R37 missiles type, meteor having a flatter trajectory).

...KEK...

inb4 Rafale has a bad case of priapism lmao ^^'

If the F22 was supposed to be a dogfighter why would they sacrifice the 3D thrust vectoring for stealth?
Checkmate faggot it was always a long range missile slinger.
They only made it ultra maneuverable to flex on people and because they could.

Air battles happened during the next 3 following days and no more jets were lost by India (while they claim pakis lost some that time around, but no pics or vids = fake in this day and age). Meaning jeets learned their lessons.

It was an achievement because it required fast acting and lightweight computers in a time when microchips were barely being invented, and it became universal because it improves performance, but it's not something inherent to any aerodynamic platform; all it takes is a center of lift being forward of the center of gravity.

i am not ok with this. if i buy a game i want to be able to mod it. planes aren't that different

do you want indians to mod your game?

100% this. Jeets would sell it for $1,000 US after bricking their entire Rafael fleet. To be honest, the latter would be worth the former. Come on, French fren: let the world know that Hindoostan has an average IQ of 76.

stealth is to stay outside the enemy radar tracking zone while the enemy is inside yours

Stealth doesnt mean invisible. You can still see stealth planes. But they are hard to follow and even harder to lock on. But that's an old debate that shoudl have ended when Serbia downed 1 F-117 and almost a second.
The US and all countries in the world are going for stealth planes with still great agility, because they know that if everybody is stealth, BVR will become dog fight soon enough.

If the French truly wanted to sabotage the Indians, they'd hand the source code over immediately. India would be a smoking crater before July rolled around.

no way that is real
yea the problem with online discussions is i bet 90% here flat out dont have a single clue how a standard missile is propelled.

pulling Gs and getting a small annular error can't save you because the missile wont be able to correct it trajectory in time while diving to you

did you really mean to write cant here?
isnt the essence fo evading to bleed the missiles kinetic energy off because that is finite and ever decreasing even at lethal range while the evading jet can replenish its energy.

Because 3d thrust vectoring is not really usefull. It is far heavier. You can correct it with differential vectoring. And it glow a lot, while 2D can is less IR impacting.

Why did American officials say Houthi air defence came close to hitting a F-35?
Do American pilots not "know how to use stealth"?

The entire "prosperity guardian" situation REALLY looks like Houthis shooting down two F-18 in the span of 9 days (or alternatively hitting them with drones on board) and then proposing a ceasefire (which would exclude Israel) in exchange for not releasing the footage.

In fairness the frogs were taking the piss.

In those first 30 days, the Houthis shot down seven American MQ-9 drones (around $30 million each), hampering Central Command’s ability to track and strike the militant group,” the publication reported on Monday. “Several American F-16s and an F-35 fighter jet were nearly struck by Houthi air defenses, making real the possibility of American casualties, multiple U.S. officials said.”

twz.com/air/f-35-had-to-maneuver-to-evade-houthi-surface-to-air-missile-u-s-official

The whole point of stealth is to stay outside the enemy radar tracking zone while the enemy is inside yours.

You need both thing.
Bleeding missiles energy while it is on its flying path. Often meaning you go low in denser atmosphere, which is less favorable for the missile aerodynamic. Also if you do hard manoeuvers at low altitude you can maybe lose the missile or at least create errors that mean the missile will correct it during its flying path over and over, bleeding more energy.
And of course when the missile is diving for you. If you pull lot of Gs left and right, you will most likely create some "annular errors" (dont know how you call it in english) for the missile to completely miss you, because it is less manoeuvrable by now.
If you add the EW, decoy and shit, if you saw the missiles coming, you have great chance to survive.

Fighter Jets are like Tanks, they are near obsolete but likely will never be fully obsolete. I'd still rather have a tank with my 10 man squad than without it for most situations

Then build your own bitch! Imagine giving up your source code to these monkeys! Dont like it, build your own shit. I thought they were the best coders and best at everything and we Westerners were shit. Fucking shitskins!

Russia drops about 150 glide bombs every day and some of them weight 3000kg. There are multiple videos of 4-6 bombs hitting a thin tree line one after the other.

I'm not saying that the jets are irrelevant in war, I'm specifically discussing the F-35.

There are multiple videos of 4-6 bombs hitting a thin tree line one after the other.

Yeh I know about that, I wonder how many of the people on the receiving end of those bombs end up on Zelensky's infamous "missing list"

Saddly.... Yes... And it has been already in full display regarding the SCAF...

RIP Olivier Dassault...
Ther Germans tried to pull this once again, to try and grab critical patents for the SCAF from Dassault_Hands, but late Olivier told them to fuck off right away, although quite gentlemanly at the begining, but in the face of their repeatedly insisting stance, he just pulled the equal lever of ---> "Continue to boast your retarded like "but-we_totally_didn't_had_this_discussion_a_few_decades_back" like this and we'll auto-SCAF ourselves alone like in the good ol times...
It generated so much seethe from the Germans and EuroPartners they had pocketed, cause the other partners Nations had the Eurofighter derivative version from the original project because of Dassault German_shenanigan_prompted secession bc you know what....

But in all fairness, Serge Dassault was already not really in love with the mutual project, as they have a long tradition of not letting the Germans taking away what's theirs for free nowadays, and they have the necessary might to ensure it don't happen again like in Marcel's time....

RIP to GF_F_S....

TbC

Cont

Hopefully, Eric the Trappier wont let them Traped us... But only time will tell...

As a side note, have you seen the Turk SCAF equivalent programe named TAI TF-KAN ? (Btw, it is about this plane this (ID: jUl7fEqZ) _Romano_Janissar is speaking of when he says Turks are lightyears away from our so-called "flying brick" lol... He might just blow-up spontaneously if one was to mention to him that in order to make a "brick" fly that good, one must already have quite a nice knowledge, and prior exp, such as having made one the most glorious "Flying Iron" named the Mirage-2000 ^^'

But to go back the Turkish SCAF, It's almost an indistinguishable program, like if some Germano loving Turk had accidentally droped a suitcase full of confidential defense doc during a stay in a shady Istanbulled_Erdo_Brothel...
Really uncanny...
Even tho the final design of the Euro SCAF has not really been arrested yet.
Most unknown risk is the EW stuff that might have been obtained eventually... But let's see what happen in the future... Tech game has and will always be a cat & mouse type of trickstery game so why won0t we might as well enjoy a good game ? ;)

Thanks mon pote.

Just reverse engineer the codes, like we did with their Exocet missiles in the Malvinas War.

Pure Spherically Bad Prospect....
Might ending up in fucking-up the Hard-Coded_Finely-Tuned_Flight-Envelope trying to "improve it ?"...

Yup and worse... See as a starter course
Thats why and the likes are overheating trying to shit up all what they can ITT and the previous one 2days ago loool... ^^'