I don't get it. Why is this upsetting for muslims?

I don't get it. Why is this upsetting for muslims?

I would crusade for those milk trucks.

Based crusader

Wtf i want to die for israwel nao

"cool"

islam is a christian sect bro
the crusades were geopolitical maneuverings of both sides disguised as a religious war, both sides were funded by jews and enticed by jews to make the western mariamite christians and eastern mohammedan christians destroy each other

Her boobs are awesome, bitches like this will get zoomerfag simps to join the military, not frumpy tomboys

The crusades were a way for the ruling class and church in Europe to divert the tension and angst of the working classes and peasantry from the oppressions they were suffering to the ME. The same is happening today.

this worthless hag is now talking about crusades? i dont believe grifting can lead this far its probably fake
hope new harv is enjoying that skank coke whore

Source?

yeah first it was christian, then it was moslem, then christian, then moslem, as so on. basically that time period became a compare and contrast lesson between crusade vs. jihad. you cant use the "crusades" as a lesson in what the middle east is or was.

She looks like she fucks niggers.

Cringe

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Not TKD failure.

it wasn't defensive catholic scum when muslim conquered jerusalem they left everyone alone when you conquered it you killed everyone that was there
muslims where a minority on all muslim nations until the early 1000s

empires at wars doesn't prove claim

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Shalom

Based. But anon still made this shit up.

black templars legion forming when?

She would be able to feed the entire knights Templar brigades

goat born at a stable isn't a horse is perfect here.... you of all people should know that very well.. well, not you but westerners

Wtf, I love her now. I will crusade to protect her!

Every statement that doesn’t follow the progressive stack is blasphemy to libshit progressives

You need to watch a whole lot less porn, it’s poisoning your mind. Your Polish, but seeing a white woman causes you to commit muttslaw.jpg
Get your shit together, clean your mind, and guard it from influences.

Crusades

They lost . I don't get why won't chriskikes stick to the reconquista, that's pretty much the most they did against muslims.

jebus casa >>> moor island

yeah but women were different back then.., now it's not worth crusading for feminist roasties

White knighting hollywood actress

oh but ofc

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islam is a christian sect bro

Islam is literally descended from a political alliance of Jews and Arabians (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagarism). You know why this is legit? Because, like Camp of the Saints, used copies of the book cost hundreds of dollars and aren't reprinted despite the demand.

the virgin christian crusades to liberate jersusalem

the chad mongol sacking of the middle east for no reason

obvious kike meme flag

oh but ofc

this is fake and gay

it appears that Anon Babble is being flooded with fake stories today, probably testing to see how gullible users are

No, you want to die for Hitler and so-called superior white race.

No memeflag, goatfucker.

It was a mistake not casting her as Irulan in the Villenevue Dune movies, she's got the perfect look. Instead they got that wierd looking chick.

and christianity was founded by jews who fled to greece
what's your point

This but unironically

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Jesus home is being bombed by US artillery weapons ( a supposedly christian nation) used by israel, drop the retarded larp this is pathetic.

wow based

I’m looking forward to her gundam movie

got nothing to add macaco

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Crusades have nothing do with the safety of jews, you disingenuous mudshit. Jerusalem will be Christian again. You and your jews buddies gotta fucking go.

i am not with these fags

what's your point

well for starters, that you were wrong. and like all -kike-on-a-stick posters you ignore what the Talmud and Jewish tradition has to say about Christians (the fukin hate them).

Cause they are hypocritical pieces of shit who worship a pedo, why else?

These pricks have been calling Jihads against Europe and the Us, their version of a crusade, but you mention the European Crusades, they wail and moan like the camels they buttfuck.

Because they have the paranoid victim complexthey accuse jews of having.

These pricks have been calling Jihads against Europe

well guess your safe then

you're the one doing it you dumb fuck
euros coming to the middle east doing what exactly

jew suggests that christian solidarity against outside threats is bad

this is a reduction of an extremely complex and politically charged topic to put a specific slant on it

every religion comes from somewhere else, including (for example) judaism and christianity.

Fuck off jeet.

You are full of shit. This is what happens when you learn history from a movie.

She didn't say that

Isn't she across from blacks in like every movie?

Is a christkike

Is also a massive whore

Of course what else. KEK.

tf

tp

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I keep seeing the same pseud israeli saying dumb shit that has no basis in reality recently. I feel like youre not actually jewish

Regardless real point im making is that a majority of crusaders were members of the nobility and warrior classes whom surrendered their lands and inheritances to die for what they thought was the holy land. Peasants crusades were almost exclusively unsanctioned by the church and led by charismatic preacher types

I don't get it. Why is this upsetting for muslims?

All brown people are wildly asshurt about reality.

framing the crusades as defensive is, again, a dumb and reductionist argument which is more or less wrong
it wasn't "Christian solidarity" (or if it was, the launching of crusades was ALSO cynically motivated by self-interest on the role of kings and kingdoms in order to counter threats and consolidate power)

attention should also be paid to the INTERNAL crusades as well, for example the crusades against the Cathars/Albigensians and the Baltic states

framing these internal crusades as "defense against the heretics" is simply dumb and wrong and ignores the self-interested, power-motivated nature of the crusades

Stop spamming these fucking kike actors with their christ shilling, for fuck sake. Who gives a fuck what a cunt who's gobbled thousands of jewish balls has to say.

Deus vult Deus vult
(Give me milkies give me milkies)

No

Doesn't know where the word kike comes from

Lurk more newfag

Baltic crusades weren't "internal" but you are correct in pointing out that they and the northern crusades were basically entirely motivated by acquisition of power. The people committing suicide in the middle east however were for the most part quite insane christian idiots

how do they think the roman empire or mongol invasions happened
there was no defensive shit strong eats weak repeat

arab conquests

It was turkish conquest.
Arabs are weak and dumb.

yes. the point of Hagarism theory is that unlike damn near every other world religion, the origins of Islam are rarely subjected to historical analysis. furthermore, even cursory inspection shows that the Islamic tradition is particular bullshit. oh, and of course the Jews were to blame again.

QuranCopiesTheTalmud

you stamped your approval on the whole old testament dumb mongrel

itsss from god

no it isn't lmao

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sweaty i....

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She's right though. Mudslimes aggressively "crusaded" through North Africa, Syria and the Levant, into Europe with their shit pedo religion for many centuries.

framing participation in the crusades as selfless and non-self-interested is, yet again, a dumb and simplistic interpretation of the reasons for participating in the crusades

this is not an area i am expert in, but you could just as easily say the nobility and warrior classes were starting to proliferate and pose a threat as an emerging classes in the era of proto-capitalism, and were in search of ways to build social capital, compete for scarce resources, and consolidate/secure their position in the changing social hierarchy (by demonstrating allegiance to king and Rome)

it was also about money. and also about trade routes.

it was also an opportunity to increase social mobility in an era where that was almost impossible otherwise.

framing the crusades as based and 'deus vult' bullshit is also a hilarious psyop because it implicitly reaffirms the medieval royalty and papacy as inherently moral and non-corrupt which frankly couldn't be further from the truth. the clergy and the king/court/aristocracy were very human

What's up turkroach how is the weather in lyon.

Islam is more logical to believe in than christianity from a non emotional perspective. There were great efforts made to centralize and keep the words of muhammad as accurate as possible, including notated lists of people being quoted and official hierarchies on whether they were considered trustworthy. By comparison jesus' words were written around 40 years after his death (still pretty good compared to most biographies, i might add) and even they when writing 4 different versions to prove that it did indeed happen ended up with 4 very distinctly different stories

thank god for charles martel eh cuck

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keep the words of muhammad as accurate as possible,

Yes that's how we know it's bollocks.

Huh? Signtappers say things like OP will give me the uncontrollable urge to die for israel tho

paganism is where its at

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Moohamhead ascended to heaven on a mythical creature from a mosque that didn't even exist during the time in a town where he'd never been

Islam is logical

Fuck off

tap, tap, tap

4 different versions to prove that it did indeed happen ended up with 4 very distinctly different stories

You realize this is more convincing than

efforts made to centralize and keep the words of muhammad as accurate as possible

Further more Hagarism basically claims that Islam essentially came after the initial conquests. You taking the historicity of the Islamic scriptures is bollocks.

The nobility and warrior classes had already been dominant for hundreds of years at this point. the middle ages were not even close to capitalism by the way lmfao what the fuck do you think serfdom is. The shift away from the dominance of the knightly classes would occur in the 1500s when gunpowder became commonplace in warfare (this is also much closer to "proto capitalism" than what you are describing)

What gain, exactly, do you think your average french knight (because most of them were french) would gain from the opening up of trade routes? As an individual? You believe they were just killing themselves so a jew merchant could make money that theyve never met, as opposed to the idea that an illiterate person from 900 years ago was a religious fanatic?

Social mobility also doesnt play in when 90% of them were in the upper class already...

I am aware that christians are fucking retarded and dont think the crusades were "based" but you are viewing the situation like a 13 year old that read kapital

Anon Babble now will larp as crusaders instead of nazi, ok

Not arabs. I may sound biased here but the true danger came with the fucking turks, who actually tried to overthrkw all of Europe to islamify it and did fuck up the Balkans and Southeast Europe for centuries. The arabs did not do much damage to Europe at all. But unlike afabs, turks sucessfully infiltraded the west and portrayed themselves as our "friends and allies". Maximum taquiya.

Jerusalem will be Christian again

whom will demand it, the spics?

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Signtappers say things like OP will give me the uncontrollable urge to die for israel

No, that's just your strawman argument. Propaganda functions more subtly than you are imagining.

Yeah its pretty retarded i agree, but to a non biased person christianity makes even less sense

jesus magically impregnated a married woman with himself so he could crucify himself to absolve you of sins he decided you committed

Do you see how easy this is to do with your version of judaism as well

irrelevant to the whole message but ok guess it was just a big ass bang and viola

No, it's not more convincing, because all 4 of those books involve various magical spells jesus is supposedly able to perform and most of them don't correspond with eachother. Have you read the bible lol

not only that but they're defending hollywood actresses chastity in doing it

The people committing suicide in the middle east however were for the most part quite insane christian idiots

IMO the participants were rational actors acting out of self-interest (ie trying to get rich or improve their social position)

what i'm more interested in, and what the thread's really about, is how the kings and vatican thought about launching crusades
(also- remember that these kings and vatican were in contact with their arabic counterparts- who were themselves trying to fuck each other over and using crusades as ways to cause their rival dynasties to rise and fall- and also traders/merchants were often serving as go-betweens as well as diplomats)
(also understand that both the kings and vatican weren't homogenous, they were full of factions who were enthusiastically trying to fuck each other and these crusades played into that)

all this shit is super complicated and trying to reduce it down is impossible and usually does violence to the actual history.

the fake article in OP is pushing the same psyop as "deus vult" which Pete Hegseth the Fox News anchor has tattooed on him and is generally being pushed by the zionist-military-industrial-complex to gin up support for a fake and unnecessary war against the wahhabist/salafist factions which have also been funded, trained and incubated by the military industrial complex

basically, saying the crusades were defensive is a selective reading of history to justify saying sending American boys to the Sahel or Central Asia or Middle East is primarily defensive. it requires a dumb and simplistic reading of what "defensive" and "offensive mean"

(which ignores the rot and corruption at the heart of the system, where the powerful are acting in their own interest, and not for the benefit of the population, and cynically lie for their own purposes)

you must know your history to be able to fight propaganda

damn I bet she lurks here. I'll fap even harder to her knowing that

someone should tell her christians also conquered the middle east and erased all the religions before them

the origins of Islam are rarely subjected to historical analysis.

this is false and this topic has been exhaustively studied (although often on the margins of religious studies, because it's such an emotionally charged topic)

just like Christianity and Judaism, Islam is a constructed framework, the official narrative of which depends on myths and lies (or at least truths with a lot of important elements left out/altered)

you could just as easily say the early centuries of Christianity were marked by struggle between hierarchical Church of Rome powers and decentralized, mystical sects, or point out that the body of work known as Talmud were created more or less arbitrarily and many of the stories in the old testament are known to not have a solid grounding in historical fact

focusing on Islam is dumb because the other two abrahamic religions are just as fake and gay, if not more so (Muhammed actually existed, whereas there's a lot of uncertainty about whether David, Solomon, Jesus, etc actually were humans)

Your the kind of person that thinks as Malcom Gladwell said "you should get your stories straight." Deception is so central to your mind that discrepancies across accounts confuse you because you would just lie an smooth over anything that you find inconvenient.

wtf i want to die for israel nao XDDD

Faker than the three dollar bill

Nice caliphate, bro. Where is it at now?

How, in your imagination, is a nobleman going to improve his social status significantly by dying a world away?

You have a very basic, almost hollywood understanding of history that seems to rely on the idea that all people in positions of power are assholes. The fact that you are somehow relating this to 25 year old george carlin level iraq war propaganda confirms this
nvke
I'm telling you that clearly, at the minimum 3 of those 4 books are inaccurate accounts. I'm not telling you they intentionally lied. I'm telling you they wrote it down late enough and fragmented enough that they couldn't even agree on basic shit that happened to "god"

Point me to some good sources that completely revise the truth like you seem to believe dipshit

exhaustively studied

on the margins of religious studies

focusing on Islam is dumb

my sides

Everything is upsetting to Muslims. Think about how fragile a black person is when you call them a nigger. That's how Muslims are about fucking everything. Islam exists to give retard, violent, pedophiles outlets for terrible behavior.

No redeeming qualities at all

the middle ages were not even close to capitalism by the way lmfao what the fuck do you think serfdom is.

not capitalism, PROTO capitalism, the seeds of capitalism, ie the emerging merchant classes with trade routes and early forms of banking (which the crusades ended up accelerating, see: Knights Templar promissory notes)

What gain, exactly, do you think your average french knight (because most of them were french) would gain from the opening up of trade routes? As an individual?

successful returning knights would often be granted titles, prebends, properties either at home or in the conquered territories

i feel like you are unusually invested in the idea that participants in the crusades were not self-interested, which is weird because in everything i've read on this topic i have never once heard that said.

in the actual academic historiography on this topic, it's pretty well taken for granted that the crusades were motivated at least partially by self-interest on the part of participants (from king/pope down to camp follower, but especially in the military class)

wrote it down late enough and fragmented enough that they couldn't

This is what you might expect from normal people relating a historical account. I've already explained you you find it frustrating.

this is your pope

only ''''people'''' who want to be recognized as numbah 1 are you faggots and you're doing in a cringier way than liking your own posts
you make kangs blush especially when 50% of other whites would love seeing you be replaced
lastly you cant even breed

More like crusade for those Honda Civics cause god damn, those tits average

The Quran refers to people mentioned in the Bible, it was written hundreds of years after the Bible and clearly attempted to copy it and repurpose it but got a bunch of details wrong.

nigga doesn't know his own island history

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Free markets, banks and the concept of a "merchant class" had existed for 2500 years at this point. Unless you are just going to describe all of human civilization as "proto capitalism" this makes zero sense.

youtube.com/watch?v=mTyIoSGx0rQ

Why don't you just listen to the words of an actual crusader talking about it? I think you and most modern people fail to grasp how central religion was to people's lives back then. On a basic level yes they probably thought "wow it would be nice if i got something out of this" but you are as i said completely smoking crack if you think they weren't insane religious fanatics first and foremost. Even 300 years later (again during the real "proto capitalism") in the 30 years war they were literally pouring boiling diarrhea down eachothers throats over whether or not you believed in the right kind of christianity
The discussion is over whether or not it's accurate you retarded christian hick. I dont believe in either of them

That's the old pope - you loser

i fear whats next

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It's the Christian thing to do.

discussion is over whether or not it's accurate

No its not. Its about how one is entirely and intentional constructed how the other has the flaws you might find if the effort was organic.

I dont believe in either of them

not relevant to the relative historicity of either

I know if you move immigrants into cities it makes inbreeding even worse. Ask the Irish.

exactly.

How, in your imagination, is a nobleman going to improve his social status significantly by dying a world away?

by successfully staying alive long enough to return and be rewarded for his service

You have a very basic, almost hollywood understanding of history

again, this is confusing to me because the thesis of this thread ("the crusades were defensive and kings/knights/Rome were not self-interested") is something that is almost never seriously argued in the actual academic literature on this topic

The fact that you are somehow relating this to 25 year old george carlin level iraq war propaganda confirms this

you are arguing that the US engagement in the middle east isn't self interested, but rather idealistically fighting for democracy and freedom?
how do you view the role of Israel, just out of curiosity?

for obvious reasons the thesis that abrahamic religions are fake are controversial, but the evidence in all 3 cases is pretty solid.

Islam is not monolithic and by saying "Muslims are like ____" you out yourself as a retard who knows absolutely nothing about the topic. people like you are why the world laughs at America. there are just as many kinds of Muslim as there are Christians.

what you are talking about is Wahhabism/Salafism, which is a specific extreme (and historically mostly insignificant) faction of Muslim that was identified as useful by the central banker-controlled british empire when they were dividing and conquering Arabia/the Holy Land and was promoted via their proxy agents like the House of Saud, who now funds Salafist/Wahhabist madrassas with their oil money around the world in order to create ISIS/al Quaeda type proxy armies to serve as controlled opposition/boogiemen to justify continued military spending and presence in strategic spots on the map.

this has all been common knowledge for over a century.

My wife.

You think she'd let me clean her up afterwards???

get jeeted

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Lawl. Thanks for proving my point you pathetic bitch.

Islam has more inbreeding than any other religion. You make Spanish Habsburgs look normal. Do us all a favor and at least try for a distant cousin, unlike your uncle daddy and sister-mom.

you worship nigger and fags

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That was a one off deal negotiated, not the norm for the whole region.
Anyway, I don't see any issue with it, the muslims conquered huge areas, and then they are upset if anyone does it back to them.

She's on a BBCrusade

They will be rat food soon mainly because of living near filthy pakis.

Why don't you just listen to the words of an actual crusader talking about it?

this is like listening to a US Department of Defense official talking about the war on terror on Fox News. you have to take a wide variety of sources into account in order to get even a semi-accurate picture. this is basic history. never base your thesis on a single primary source, or sources that all agree with each other.

I think you and most modern people fail to grasp how central religion was to people's lives back then.

i definitely grasp that, as that is one of the main topics i spend my free time studying
i would counter by saying that you are OVER-estimating the extent to which those in power (kings and Rome) were motivated by lofty ideals and not self-interest, money, power.

To say that the kings and vatican were not motivated by money or power is, again, something that almost nobody who studies this stuff for a living will argue.

Even 300 years later (again during the real "proto capitalism") in the 30 years war they were literally pouring boiling diarrhea down eachothers throats over whether or not you believed in the right kind of christianity

oh yeah 100%, hierarchical structures of power have always been the refuge for sadists and petty tyrants, who tend to be true believers. the inquisitors back then were the same as FBI agents nowadays.

also in the first time we did it we didn't kill anyone
i am not refuting might is right in the middle ages i am refuting defensive war

good

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You are all faggots who got submitted by caravan bandits at one time or another.

Who are the vikings

People who captured white people and sold them to shitskins.

The Secret History of the Mongols challenged my beliefs in European supremacy. Not only were the Mongols militarily and culturally exceptional, their one liners are in a class of their own.

Whatever nigger. Your shit tier religion says its not gay if it's a child.

if those niggers didn't get stopped here you'd all be dog feed

ohyee?

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They both employ various means to try to prove that they are correct, and Islam's make more sense. Sorry.

im gonna ignore a firsthand account and instead just gesture to the vague idea that "scholars" think he was probably a selfish butthead instead.

I am aware that there have been jerks who were in positions of power. This is a meaningless point and is akin to saying "i met a stupid polish guy so they are all stupid"

Turkroach yourself nafri

They weren't stopped by "you", they were halted by the death of the Khan. The Mongolian founding myth evokes the sentiment of the fasces - the mother of all Mongols found her sons squabbling and showed them how one arrow can be broken, but many cannot. The Khan bound them, and his death led to their breaking. No one could have stopped them if they had successfully navigated the problem of succession, cope more. They could have been the second Aryans

It's a lot easier to say that someone parted the sea and not many people saw it, but trying to makeup a similar story up where your prophet parted the moon but nobody else in the world noticed is retarded.

insert "class" struggle here

What classes? What are you even talking about? There are no classes? Or can I go to the government and reassign my class? No. There are no classes, except citizen and non-citizen. Fuck off with your Marxist theory that has nothing to do with reality.

well some retard from macedonia did even more
old wars were won by fear of an army on a roll, people where too scared or didn't give a fuck to fight and all these massive land conquering armies barely reached 100k soldiers

What prompted this?

Nobody cares what you have to say about this or anything, Chaim.

Islam expansion was the product of corruption.
No need to be a rocket scientists to understand that.

The role of Arabs in the Medieval History of Maghreb is usually exaggerated.

A number of Berber powerful dynasties emerged during Middle Ages in Maghreb and al-Andalus.
Muslims who entered Iberia in 711 were mainly Berbers, and were led again by a Berber, Tariq ibn Ziyad.

journals.eco-vector.com/2410-0145/article/view/35149

Besides muslims≠arabs

Lol this is honestly probably one of the few parts where christianity does win on credibility yeah

I still don't understand why that is still a conterversial opinion to make, they were obviously necissary for Europe and Christendom

Why do butch lesbians have a permanent mad-face?

sure... we know it was the levantines not sand nogs

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The early muslim empires were almost better described as arab empires with official legal privileges of arabs over all others

lack of cock i reckon

Protestantism was a mistake.

The Macedonians were a landed people, conquering other landed people. The Mongols at their peak were a fully mobile civilisation capable of descending upon landed peoples out of nowhere, annihilating them to the last child, and disappearing as quickly as they came. They would besiege castles and enslave the locals, arm them with picks and hammers, and send waves of them against the walls to break them down, forcing those behind the walls to kill their own or face the same fate. There was no fighting them, we are all fortunate they eventually adopted the Chinese ways and were unable to maintain the momentum initiated by the Great Khan.

Islam means bribing before all.

The crusades absolutely were defensive. Muslim savages had been raiding and pillaging and enslaving the southern coast of Europe for 700 years before the crusades finally sparked up and put an end to it.

That Mohammedans keep their women in line is not a valid criticism. They should be criticized for being inherently warmongering and for being theologically opposed to natural sciences.

a Berber, Tariq ibn Ziyad.

Tariq was literally an arab born in algeria fucking retard

arabs

They were those who pulled the strings.
But still they were a tiny minority.

memeflag talks about adding nothing

You are a triplenigger.

theologically opposed to natural sciences.

That's christkikery doe

Based OF crusader

Yeah, I kind of get the impression that they respected berbers for having martial spirit as compared to most they conquered

At its simplest, it is due to the image of European Christians butchering brown people being unfashionable. Where the normie conception goes awry, is their inability to comprehend that for a time Christendom was Europe, the church itself was the political heart of society. The Crusades had a religious dressing, but all of the motivations were political in origin. Much in the same way modern Jihadists are agents of political Islam.

But finish pagans didn’t do nuffin, why did were Swedes so mean?

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I love the crusade goy tee hee

You used the word Christkike so you are a shill, but I will make this post to clear up any confusion for the third party observer: "Natural Sciences" refers to things like Physics; determining how the universe works based on observing it. In Mohammedanism, things work because Allah wills them, not because of any rules of the universe. Lighting a match results in fire because Allah says so, not because the temperature is high enough to result in combustion. It is in opposition to mankind's impulse to explore and understand God's creation.

levantines

Whatever...

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Why is this upsetting for muslims?

It's not.
Where are you getting this from?

I believe this, its a lesson in how these fuckers think their on a roll and were seeing the side of them they try to hide, I believe its done on purpose so we get the ire and straight up experience of how relentless this religion is and how given half the chance they are ultimately a threat to all, its a given that there are moderates that bailed from their control only to be followed by the extremist retards. its a winnowing of people worldwide, People are mad as fuck here now about the bullshit coming from these retards

Everything said in that fake quote is 100% factual

KeK, at the launch of the third crusade, they executed 800 Jews in London, and during the first crusade they killed all the Jews in Jerusalem.

She didn't say that, but I wish she had

I know what you mean

marxist schizobabble

lol

whats his lore

She literally fucks niggers. Also it's important to note that European was pagan before Christian.

You have a totally propagandized rot brain. Congrats ya fuckin kike lmao

I've been loving this slow-burn meme over the past year or so.
It's basically the gigachad meme but with an attractive woman with large breasts saying she likes the crusades, western individualism, and dislikes India.

Notice how there's barely any Muslims talking about this and instead it's all brown Christians posting fake tweets defending the Crusades instead

Fully golemized niggercattle post.

That nose don't sit right.
Her tits always being out is another red flag.

shes gunning for rachel zegler spot for my white supremacist queen

What interview?

What isn't upsetting for Muslims?

about 40% of Ashkenazi maternal lineages belonging to this group.

Lulz

Wait a minute, did some young hollywood star just drop actual knowledge? WTF?