Why don't yall let communists try real communism for once

It's not good in theory. Retards think the theory is correct, but anyone with half a brain immediately looks at it and say "nope, that's going to end in death and suffering".
The 'real communism has never been tried' argument is bullshit--they just think it's not real communism because it doesn't lead to the utopia their idiotic theories (incorrectly) predicted. But it has been tried, with the exact outcomes intelligent people warned them about.

why do communists and christians blame everything and everyone else but their ideologies and ideologues.

communism can't work and always self destructs because of natural human greed
regulated capitalism takes longer

It sound like "a real God's Heaven had never been tried" actually.

anyone can get rich if they are smart and hard-working

in practice what happens is a race to the bottom because capitalists who own 99% of wealth want to offer the lowest wage possible to 99% of workers

In practice it's fundamentally incompatible with everything we know about human psychology.

Due Cuba and Venezuela exist in a vacuum? Do you think the USA has just let socialist movements foster organically in Latin America and done nothing to interfere? If communism fails every time on its own, then why does America have to go to tiny islands like Grenada to use their military to crush any communist groups? Why does America sponsor genocides to stop communists in third world countries with no geopolitical power? Surely just once they could prove it by letting them fail on their own, right? Is it because of muh freedom and democracy? Does freedom and democracy mean forcing you to open your markets and political economy at gunpoint?

Retards think the theory is correct

They don't even believe that. It's just rabulism from losers.
They know they'll never amount to anything because they are fucking failures, so they just want to steal it from others.
Communism is just the most dysgenic bucket of crabs you'll find.

If communism fails every time on its own, then why does America

The fact that a fire subsides by itself does not mean that it does not need to be extinguished.

does not need to be extinguished

Why? Again the entire point of this is just forcing countries to open their markets and political institutions up to foreign influence from more powerful countries. Why are open societies a necessity to you? Ironically I bet you seethe a lot about Soros and other globalists.

being destroyed by....

SHIT CORRUPT LEADERSHIP, just like every other system.

Admitting that capitalism defeats communism every time isn’t exactly a good way to promote it, lol.

implying communism hadn't already killed millions of people before the CIA existed

People who say "communism works in theory but not in practice" fail to understand how bad the theory is.

communism is better than americanism. the ussr banned sodomy in 1933 and never banned alcohol

And yet most Americans gleefully practice most of the ten planks while remaining blissfully ignorant of the fact that the U.S is a communist country.

Having a wage job isn't smart or hard-working.

communism doesn't wor--ACK

Because that failure typically results in the deaths of thousands if not millions of innocent people Suhkdeep. Youre right though, we should just let all you retarded shitskins kill eachother.

under communism, contraception was banned, but abortion was tolerated. so it was strictly better than democracy, but still not good enough

failure typically results in the deaths of thousands if not millions of innocent people

America vs tiny third world countries

a fair match

You lost Vietnam, you lost Bay of Pigs. America will never fight a communist near peer country because you'd lose, and you know it. You are powerless against China, and now you will bust out the NPC programming and say "China isn't communist" because you don't know what the word even means.

you don't understand, we had to commit a genocide to save these people! America

just really cares!
LMAOOOOO brainwashed fucking mutt. America only cares about CAPITAL

Communism is not good in theory, but in practice it is as good a way as any to make Jews rich and powerful.

China is fun. Rural China is north korea tier in poverty.

only low IQ maniacs worry about abortion.

Tell me, do commie regimes sprout like mushrooms after rain on their own? Oh, nope. They appear after the intervention of other commies from abroad. They even have international movement to do that.

It's actually fun how you campaigng for invasive ideology against another invasive ideology, pretending that the first one is native. Nothing like that, retard, German writings of Marx aren't native not for Russia, nor for China, Cuba and other affected countries.

China. Hope that helps.

Capitalism has failed because its been hijacked by communists you fucking dumbass, there is no 'freemarket economy' its corporate facism thats bailed out by the taxpayers when it fucks up it deliberately destroys competition, guess who owns these corporations? yeah you guessed it, fucking kikes , You are retarded my man.

today we learned from @existentialcomics that the CIA forced Stalin to make communism hated by everyone in the communist bloc.

the vast majority of people shouldn't afford to live

this train of thought will get capitalikikes killed

Honesty your one of those can't see the wood for the trees types.

Have a look around at the world look up all the major companies and then tell me about communism and socialism faggot.

You know what you live in? I'll tell you, a giant fucking concentration camp where they can pull the food supply at will and do whatever they like without consequences, Wake the fuck up.

Tell the commie they are wrong, not me, I’m just going off their premise.

don't need to
there's no price discovery mechanism in communism
what is the value of your labor?
dunno, but neither will anyone else
the value will thus be set by some bureaucrat arbitrarily*

by arbitrary I mean, do you have access to kneepads?

What was in place before the communism that made it such a hospitable environment for revolutionary sentiment to foster among the poor and working classes? Your logic also ignores the fact that capitalist countries like the US are the actual biggest drivers of imperialism, trying to force markets open around the world with whatever they can use. Answer the question: why is the open society a necessary condition of life to you?

implying you can only practice anything that was originally conceived by someone from your country for some reason

Yet here you are speaking English and defending the American economic order's "right" to insert itself abroad. Now answer the question. Why are open societies necessary?

NOT REAL CAPITALISM!!!!

THIS IS ACTUALLY COMMUNISM!!!

lmao

They're not wrong, you're just coping

All of your women look like men. I don't mean they have some darker velus hair on their arms, I mean all of your bitches are built like men, facially and bodily.

real capitalism has never been tried

Uh, huh - Lenin the Retard tried "real" communism. It lasted for about 5 minutes before he had to start making, uh, "concessions".

Another mutt who doesn't know what communism means. There might be 5 people in America total who understand the word.

The only good thisng the glowies ever did was to coup all those basedboy commies

Keep coping

China is real communism.
No matter how much jew cock you suck, no matter how much billionaire tax breaks you vote for, you will die poor, and the elites you worship think it's funny.

you live in a mixed economy, meaning the rich have plenty of money to pay you to be poor, they have all the trade, they have all the power, there are no competitor and go try and start a buisness and see if thy'll give you a bankloan, They own the banks, your not getting a bankloan but they pay for invader and bank them then make laws against the natives and call you racist, you are indeed a fucking gonk of a man, If youre even a man that is. you know nothing your brain doesnt work and your a fucking kike fanboy, you have no grasp of history, you cant see whts going on today and youre a blind retard.

I like how these people just pretend the KGB wasn't a thing and didn't pull the same shit
Nobody's fault you get mogged by the CIA of all people

because Judaism sucks. Jews invented communism. Just look up Moses Hess.

it's not Capitalism if it isn't full blown ancap

Fucking lol. Capitalism is a mode of production, note a "free market" vibe. The free market is impossible, it cannot exist, lolberts lose this argument every single time. Wanna lose again?

China is real national socialism. The way china is right now is all the proof i need. National socialism is an ideology of subhumans.

You're not disputing the fact that commies are an invasive ideology too that renders your "but they invaded!" argument useless. You're just defending the kind of invaders you like more.

drivers of imperialism

There's no commie-type imperialism. Also, why should I be against countries invading other countries to establish their rules? It's what every real country does.

why is the open society a necessary condition of life to you?

What a stupid question! Really, why people like freedom? A tough one, lmao.

defending the American economic order's "right" to insert itself abroad.

Nope, I just slapped you with my dick for using shitty argument, that's it.

/thread
fuck demon jews

Did jews also invent christianity?

communists in the 19th century were just stunted by the CIA folx

GEEEEEEEEEG

Your a fucking dumbass and most likely a fucking kike, I spit on you you rat bastard, They killed any idea of a freemarket, its a market in which they booted everyone else out and if their is any competition its between themselves you absolute illerate fuckwit

Capitalism doesn't exist. It's just a "term" used my commies to justify their bullshit. It's market that exists.

you're not agreeing with me that communism is bad because open societies have a right to be forced upon people at gunpoint in my corrupt worldview

Why would I?

why should I be against countries invading other countries to establish their rules? It's what every real country does.

It was your exact complaint against the export of revolution.

muh open society is freedom

LMAO
this is literally Soros' rhetoric, this is his entire MO, he wrote about this in his book. Privatize everything and open your markets and political economy to outside control and you will be "free". Amazing, supporters of capitalism always show their true face eventually.

oh my god are those LEDs? only a truly advanced society could cover their buildings in obnoxious flashing light pollution

communism is so great they try to kill you if you leave

thing is good in theory

Is the stupidest statement ever made. Literally every system creates a utopia in theory, what matters is how it does in practice.

but the CIA

An organization that didn't even exist at the time is responsible for all of Stalins atrocities? That would be a neat trick

Again, the free market is not possible. It's a hypothetical abstraction that self refutes in the real world.

allowing monopolies to form is not a free market

trust-busting is also not a free market

IP laws are not a free market

having no IP laws is also not a free market

allowing the trade of goods whose production is subsidized by a foreign government is not a free market

banning them is also not a free market

It's impossible, can not happen, does not exist outside of lolbert fantasies. Stop coping.

confusing trade for modes of production

For something that doesn't exist there sure is an awful lot of people who vehemently defend its right to be. Really makes me think.

Stalins atrocities

I bet you consider yourself a red pilled free thinker immune to propaganda

the cia made me cut his head of with a chainsaw

o algo

What's actually bad about crushing the threat to so humanity. If a source of communism, Nazism, radical Islamism or other sectarian shit emerges, it's only natural to purge it. This is called hygiene.

It was your exact complaint

Wasn't. It was YOUR complaint about Americans sweeping commie shitholes.

Privatize everything and open your markets and political economy to outside control

It's not what open society is about.

people who vehemently defend its right to be

They're just defending the fact that Earth isn't flat, retard.

Any Ideology is an Ideology of subhumans, when subhumans are following the Ideology.

So your argument is retarded, this bunch of subhumans drink water, therefore drinking water is subhuman.

I have a feeling you drink bleach for the flavour.

Notice how anything that might threaten the status quo and the ones controlling it (and you know who I mean) is immediately demonized, then destroyed, then rewritten to have always been corrupted by them.
Its quite interesting, actually.

As a Russian that actually studied this a lot, I'd love to hear how there was no atrocities and these tens of millions people are actually alive.

Wow, I never really looked at it like that before!

You are operating from the assumption that capitalism is inherently good and therefore anything that fights against it is inherently bad.

Wasn't

See >It's not what open society is about
It is the express purpose of an open society, the "muh freedom" ideological bullshit you spout is just branding to make retards like you defend it on pseudomoralistic grounds.

You and George Soros have the exact same beliefs, you're just ashamed to admit it

Every major country that tries communism has always been caught up after step one. Apparently giving up ALL power to the state is a hell of a hurdle in the freedom of the proletariat

I bet you're a fucking retard

You are operating from the assumption that capitalism is inherently good

Don't try to make up my position. I'm operating from the fact that there's no capitalism, only naturally existing market.

It is the express purpose of an open society,

And another made up take. You should study what your opponents actually think, not fight your fantasies about that.

Soros drinks water, that's why you shouldn't

Everyday in surprised how retarded commies are.

hey you know those retards that fuck up everything and want and more money for it, claiming they'd fuck up less if they got it, but then go to fuck up even more?

yeah? Yeah we should give those guys even more power, cause then they'll fix society

The more I look into communism, the more I look into the mind of the central planners, the less sense it makes.

How can people live with these immense logical discrepancies in their heads?

Is it just blind faith in "the plan" or something?

Is it just blind faith

Yes. It's literally a cult. That's quite obvious. Just compare commies with radical Islamists and see that there's no fundamental differences.

That is why people come to the Western nations ... anyone can get rich if they are smart and hard-working.

lol

yo that honda civic has a blue led under it

that guy must be jeff bezos

Communism isn't good in theory.
If I tell you to flap your arms fast until you take off flying would you call that a good plan?
In the same way, if I tell you to centalize all power in the goverment and then wait until it erodes and wither in the wind on its own, leaving behind a "dictatorship of the proletariat", would you call that a good plan?

look at our pretty lights

they glow so brightly in the nighttime smog

You're seething

there's no capitalism, only naturally existing market.

Modes of production and markets are not the same thing, they are two completely different economic concepts. What does private ownership over the means of production have to do with trade? You are deliberately conflating topics because you can't address the real discussion. If capitalism doesn't exist why are you in every thread defending its right to be? If it doesn't exist then there cannot be a threat to it. When you say you only care about markets, what you really care about is the ability of smaller markets to be opened up and controlled by larger ones. You're a textbook Sorosite, a globalist.

You should study what your opponents actually think, not fight your fantasies about that.

I have actually, and you are 1:1 an Open Societies Foundation mouthpiece. You want a universal and deregulated global market under the guise of freedom.

drinking water is the same as ideological crusades to turn the world into a single open society for the purpose of accumulating capital

Did you figure out how individual rates of profit and share of natonal income from combined capital and labour are not he same thing yet? Did you learn the difference between idealism and materialism yet?

it this nigger still alive?

like 20 long posts

you must be seething

Whatever you say Rajesh

The USSR owed everything to captured Nazi scientists. China is only successful cause they're more NS than commie.

forfeited his argument

I accept

yall

1pbtid

And we still get retards bumping these b8 threads.
Fuck this board really has gone down the shitter huh?

Why do whites not practice national socialism? Because we're human.

Modes of production and markets are not the same thing

Sure thing. Cause the first are Marxist bullshit and the latter actually exists. Get a life, dude. No one believes in your Marxist "theories" cause they're not science.

Tried to find an argument in the rest of your post, found only "you're literally a Soros" bullshit. You're not even trying.

Persecute Jews, abolish fiat money and hedge funds and after that day we’ll have a clearer head to debate capitalism vs communism

They also banned antisemitism

They invented capitalism too

The CIA finances commies

modes of production do not exist

only Marxists define capitalism as private ownership over the means of production

You've already lost here

Cannot reconcile his belief in the Open Society with his need to spread his propaganda in a "pol-friendly" manner

lmao you lost Sorosite. Sorry but Fukuyama was wrong, liberalism is NOT in fact the end of history.

Bernie Sanders went on his honeymoon in the USSR. For some reason he decided to spend the rest of his life in the United States even though the Soviet Union welcomed immigrants from western nations.

china only developed once people were allowed to own and invest property and having all the wealthy nations exploit their cheap labor for decades

Accept what? Speak English Rajesh

Trying to get the last word in won't make you un-lose the argument but keep seething anyway

there might be 5 people in America total who have the same headcanon as me.

fixed that for you. when the majority disagrees with you over the meaning of a word, you are automatically wrong.

Corey Mohler isn't half as smart as he thinks he is.

You've already lost here

In reality, commies already lost. Still some retards keep trying to fig up and rape this corpse.

Also, these attempts to label you opponents are just hilarious. What about real arguments?

if people do not understand the definition of their word then their misuse of it is legitimate

lmao no

un lose

Saar

It's actually quite fun how he fiercely fights over definitions like it can save his crappy headcannon.

I'm down with that.

Its a mixed economy, Thats what exists. its socialism and corporatism which is backed by losses from the taxpayers, Its jewish and it communistic in nature, no-one else gets into the game. So shut the fuck up a bawjaws

What about real arguments?

lmao

we need to protect private ownership of production and control over markets and enforce open societies because it's le heckin freedom

"That's literally what George Soros says"

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

If you really want to be effective at this in the current year you're going to have to switch to Yarvinite talking points like everyone else, because your framework has become rhetorically obsolete with the emergent multipolarity

Sure thing. You yourself are a tool of commies if you believe that.

Communism is when capitalism

yawn

It's literally a cult.

it is a cult among the fuckers in the first world and definitely was a cult among the early bolsheviks but I am certain (from having witnessed them first-hand) that the communist leadership and beneficiaries of the 80's eastern bloc were cynical psychopaths who did not believe a single thing from the 'Lenin's everything' collection.

you want a universal and deregulated global market

They should be deregulated and get the jewish nanny state from playing the markets and taking fucking backhanders to enable laws passed which stiffle innovations, they dont want the markets to change because they fucking manipulate them for corporations you fanny.

Again, is Soros says that water is wet, would you say it isn't? I have no opinion on Soros cause I barely know who he is, but he must me a normal guy if commies hate him so much.

Speaking of real talk. Tell me, what's the difference between commie movement and radical Islamists? Why shouldn't we purge both?

globalist ancap edging

See

NO WE NEED FREE TRADE FOR OUR IDEOLOGY TO SUCCEED

Lol

Again, is Soros says that water is wet, would you say it isn't? I have no opinion on Soros cause I barely know who he is, but he must me a normal guy if commies hate him so much

Fucking lmao. Look at this Anon Babble. This is what your BASED™ capitalists actually believe, this is what happens when they slip up ad you force them to drop the mask. These people are not your friends.

That's precisely what the US is doing by trying to force markets open. Did you think before you posted that? Why will America collapse if the third world countries who produce your goods turn communist? Why is this a threat to your freedoms?

I'd actually split your fucking wig for you, you prick

The CIA should be forced to do a communist revolution in Chile as compensation after they fucked over Allende because they were bored. Then they can sink or swim.

As I think, USSR elites of 80s were just repeating it as ritual. There's no much use to really control people who are isolated from outside world.

Luckily, they made a mistake of glasnost.

Impotent power fantasy, you'd just stare at your orthopedic shoes and seethe

wont someone think of the poor USSR, destroyed by a government agency :(

The CIA should be forced to coup itself and install an intelligence agency that actually works for the best interest of it's citizens rather than subverting them and fucking them over.

Let me enlighten you. In Russia, Soros is just a meme evil American. No one aside from commies and other freaks talks about him. It's your Western thing.

and yet here you are, an English speaking liberashka on the anglonet, posting Sorosite talking points almost verbatim.

First of all youre not white
Second of all you missed the entire point. Communism calls for recessive steps on the economic evolutionary ladder. You can't pride yourself on being a currency-less society while still engaging in international commerce USING currency. Thus if a nation wants to be communist it must be self sufficient and somehow manage trade goods in a fair way. And this is why they fail, who determines how many cabbages are worth an airplane ticket? It's literally impossible for a beaurocrat (our counsel member whatever tf you want to call them) to be able to determine that. That is why free market currency is the best option because people as a collective have a tool that can decide the price.
Third, if you actually read my statement about you see how hypocritical the Serb's post was
Fourth, seethe all you want. U.S. or non us interference all American wanted in LatAm was subservient nations. El Salvador could me commie in all but name and as long as the heeled to U.S. interests it didn't matter. So the idea of U.S. influence some how retarding communist progress is, in of itself, retarded

the funny thing is, whatever comrade seven-times-PIZ'ish of Canada thinks he's doing here, he most assuredly does it for free.

It's funny how you just can't get that people don't need to be corrupted by something to think that you commies suck all the dicks. Though, it's quite expected from a sectarian. Tell me, do you put Soros in the position of Satan in your commie religion?

First of all youre not white

You are literally a mutt

blah blah blah blah meaningless hypocritical liberal bullshit

lmao no actually, liberalism is not the default natural order of the world. American hegemony wouldn't be collapsing if it were.

You're literally defending Soros. It took very little polemic coercion to make you do so. You lost.

Everyone who tries to find a cure for cancer is shot by the CIA

> Retarded autistic terminally online poltards: HA! THAT SHOWS PEOPLE WHO FIND A CURE FOR CANCER ARE STUUUUPIDDD. HAVE YOU TRIED NOT FINDING A CURE FOR CANCER SO YOU'RE NOT SHOT?

It's 100% a religious cult.

You're mutt

Correct German-anglo mix. I am not white and never said I was

No response

Seething about American hegemony

Ah I see. Ok Chang the dickless if China is so great why did your grandpa leave?

Funny isn't it? They pretend to be le heckin dissident rebels and then reliably defend the CIA and State Department and the billionaires that control their societies. They want to complain but they don't want to actually change anything.

So what about the difference between commies SBD radical Islamists? Can you name at least one fundamental difference?

This contradicts what communists are saying about Trump's tariffs though.

When it comes to tariffs we are told that everyone will just stop trading with the US, but when it comes to US sanctions on Venezuela we are told that countries literally die if they can't trade with the US. If being unable to trade with the US is why Venezuela is shit then most countries are going to prefer paying the tariffs over pulling out of the US market.

>Seething about American hegemony

No actually, I'm laughing that it's over. You only had 30 years as the sole superpower and it was only because the USSR collapsed. You lost, China won. It's over for you. Time to give up the ideological exceptionalist rhetoric because your liberal superstructure has failed to protect you from the real world

Go back you low-IQ unemployed faggot.

never mind the fact you cannot pull socialism apart from communism, the flaw of this argument is thinking that you can make economic central planning work by simply removing it from communism and applying that to a mixed economy. The main reason communism failed was the economic central planning problem, the central planning problem was brought about by government price fixing, that's right, public ownership of property is government economic central planning, and what does that involve? Government price fixing.
you saw the transition from one form of socialism to another form of socialism, the difference: you simply moved towards socialist state direction of nominal private industry where the state still strongly controls most of it. There's nothing private about the industry you attempt to label private.
And people should have opportunities, which is something your mixed economy cannot provide.
How do countries like Norway and Sweden cater for people?
Simple: they are free market capitalist economies.
But opportunities? No, their super high taxes crippled them, t
As for the United Kingdom, the U.K. is a fair reflection of what you wanted, YOU wanted your "EQUALITY" economics, and you got it, it is called ECONOMIC FASCISM, otherwise known as CORPORATISM, you paid the price, you over-regulated the private sector, which in turn, drove private sector costs and prices sky high, crippled people in soaring inflation which caused currency devaluation, which then rendered peoples wages worthless,
I'm a free market capitalist, I'm an Individualist, I'm someone who would walk all over the top of any Keynesian never let alone Marxist. Remember this fact, it was your Keynesians that caused the boom and bust cycle through their socialist price fixing lower of the interest rate, thinking they could play God with the economy. That is to say, Keynesians are every bit as pig-ignorant of fundamental basic economics as that of Marxists are.

oh my god are those LEDs?

looks a million times better than this shit
china is leaving everyone else in the dust

China won

That's why I won't go back to the land of my ancestors and live in a white man's country that was built and centered around the economic system I proclaim to hate

Ok

but these two diametrically opposed and unrelated groups exist! They're both the same because they both seem political power

What? Not an argument. Maybe you should ask why the US keeps creating and funding and arming these radical Islamist groups to protect global capitalist order

Communism might work in a white only country. But then whites could make lots of things work.

uh we got lights here too bro

...and that's why Elon Musk deserves MORE money!

One single difference. Do you really cannot name even one instead of all that screeching?

And thats written by someone who actually fucking know what they talk about, you are an ignorant retard.

Oh, I just got it. That dweeb is shitting on open society while his favorite religion is trying to build open society. That's really fun.

I just can't stop thinking about that guy.

DRRUMPPGHH!!1

name one difference between communists and giraffes. Oh you won't let me disingenuously control the conversation? I guess that means I didn't lose the argument now hehe

pathetic

muh free market

See

Behold the pinnacle of the argument for a 17 year old "communist" using a straw man to make up for his philosophys lack of any substance

communist are le real capitalists

You guys only really have three or four lines huh? You need new programming, consult with Yarvin.

fpbp only brown niggers do communism. the white man is captialism and monarchist

He fucking was allowed to corner the market and was backed by his own tribesmen you actual fucking dolt, This is what they do? How the fuck can you look at the big players and not know this you utter faggot?

being so weak that a coup effect you

so in this instance the coup is the flu that kills you while communism is the AIDS that weakens you

So you can't name a difference between commie and giraffe? Then how long is your neck in meters? That would explain why you're not getting anything.

Every time a communist party gains power they just replicate the "company town" business model but on a larger scale.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town

A company town is a place where all or most of the stores and housing in the town are owned by the same company that is also the main employer.

Apparently the best way to end capitalism is to model your entire country after one of the most exploitative capitalist business strategies.

They did in Santa Clara
A bunch of less than worthless, insolent shitskin diversity hire filth unironically thinks they built that

youre done you have no argument, They deliberately stiffle markets in a hegemonic move that just soft communism you brainlet, just fuck off youre one annoying cunt and i believe deliberately so trying to get people to follow jew logic because it suits them and their goals, fucking KYS

When the communists
are just a branch of the labor bureaucracy
of the current regime,
people rightfully hate them.
When the communists
are completely nationalist-minded,
then the full weight of the ZOG's military
can't crush it (Vietnam).
That's the difference
between gook commie-nationalism,
and spick liberal-communism.

Do you really think that chanting of these lines arguments anything? You should read another book aside from "Capital", giraffe.

Communism was never goid in theory.
But if you say that in public a jew will loose their shit and demand you are punished.

zomg lights

was allowed to corner the market

was allowed

allowed

Sounds like you'd like some regulations of some sort

You absolutely lost. Go read some Yarvin and Land and revise your rhetorical paradigm before you try this again, your arguments are from 20 years ago and have been made obsolete by real world conditions.

Capitalist countries don't spy. McCarthy was right, we've been infiltrated by the stasi.
They pay people to fuck with targeted individuals in a sick experiment to further their research into mind control
Not like they weren't just going to stop with spying on people's phones, they're gonna use the intelligence they collect to harass people.

but imagine if markets WERE free!

See

americanstasi.com/

communism exist only in 1920-1937 in ussr.
stalin (ussr under him was empire) basically arrested most of real commies, rest run to usa

continued:

"government regulation over the private sector which drove private sector costs and prices through the roof, destroyed job opportunity in the marketplace by restricting the job market and destroyed and limited innovation, as well as increased the likelihood of private sector failure through subsidies and regulation that causes private sector incompetence and waste.
• to finance the mixed economy, the taxpayers money was never enough and the only other place governments could turn to to borrow money is directly from the central bank running the printing press, which is exactly where inflation derives from. And what does inflation cause? Currency devaluation, which results in the average price of everything to drive up. So it isn't so much that the prices are going up, it is more so the currency is devaluing and that is what rendered wages worthless.
• the introduction of all the monopolies, oligopolies and cartels that stemmed directly as a consequence of all the socialist government interventionism of the market through regulations, etc. The myth that was peddled for years that free markets would result in monopolies springing up from everywhere. Yet, here they are, sitting in this mixed economy rife with those problems, like the giant supermarkets that got away with shafting the farmers as that collusion was able to take place because of governments heavy regulation over the private sector.
This is why this country is in a miserable state, the obsession over socialism, the same socialism that wrecked havoc on every country's economy it touched. People thought they could take the same socialism they saw in the Soviet Union and somehow make it work down to the individual sectors level like in healthcare, etc, it didn't work."

in decidedly not communist nations for some reason.

most of west countries are communists

communism -
1. free items and food
2. neet bux
3. no need to work
4. intellectual work

Theres too much regulatuon that why they maintain hegemonic control over everything to suit their clan, read the rest below this post.

gee we keep protecting capitalism and allowing capitalists to legally and illegally buy our government, how do they keep using the government to protect their interests? Obviously the problem here is the concept of the state itself and not a political economy based on a mode of production that keeps leading back to this same problem no matter what!

Ancap retardation everyone. Feel free to explain how you stop a state from spontaneously forming from he collaboration of private security and trade agreements in your model ancap utopia

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"It is important to note that wealth is the material possessions you buy, there is no question, however, there is a huge problem in today's economy, and freeing the market up from state intervention to move towards a capitalist system would massively improve the lives of the ordinary people, whilst not utopian, comparing it to this mixed economy, it is like night and day.
I understand your frustration, you can blame governments for interference on energy production, trying to force the market in a given direction. The market should decide what our energy should be and besides, the market finds innovative ways to improve the environment.
The entire monetary system is fraudulent, the central bank needs to be abolished, and a return to sound free market money which was gold and silver. That fraudulent paper currency needs to be phased out.
I think you confuse things, governments regulation doesn't protect you, in fact, it favours special-interest groups and weighs down the little man, in other words, the regulation people thought protected the consumer, did the opposite."

So how about the differences? Do you really can't name one? Oh, let me help you.

So, commies are an international movement based on the ideology that states that world is inevitably going to turn into paradise, but you need to strike a worldwide purge of all the people who doesn't fit by some measures by any means and build the only right state that should expand other all the world under red flag.

Now, radical Islamists are an international movement based on the ideology that states that world is inevitably going to turn into paradise, but you need to strike a worldwide purge of all the people who doesn't fit by some measures by any means and build the only right state that should expand other all the world under green flag.

See? The flag color differs! That's why we can't even compare commies with radical Islamists! I'm beaten!

They need both systems to keep the shit circle of refugees flowing

Posts a person who was a tsarist and a nationalist whose work was sponsored by the CIA

Not exactly disproving OP there bud

freemarket, unchained drive innovation and prices down, usless companies vanish and are not bailed out by the central banks nor take from the taxpayer, everyone has a chance to make it but only if they are able to compete, like he said the deadwood dies out and its gone.

ideology

Wrong already. I see you have not learned the difference between idealism and materialism yet. Get back to reading, something other than a Karl Popper book this time.

paradise

utopia

Also wrong.
Even it weren't this still wouldn't be an argument. You really have nothing at all. Go read Yarvin he's the only one keeping capitalist reactionary rhetoric afloat these days.

Its because during the cold war the USSR and the USA were competing for geopolitical influence around the globe. They werent afraid of communism existing they were afraid of russia using those countries to fuck with us the way we use israel to fuck with the middle east

everyone has a chance to make it but only if they are able to compete,

This would require a global redistribution of wealth to an economic tabula rasa to even be testable. I know for a fact you are not advocating for that but rather a system where everyone keeps their money already accumulated through prior theft and we just delete the government.

Whats funny is that Russia itself, the founder of all communist nations, became communist because the kaiser smuggled Lenin into Russia to overthrow the tsar and get them out of WW1

Governments won't tell you about American late 19th century history, at least, they won't tell you the truth, that's for sure. Instead, governments will paint a narrative that suits their own agenda so they can continue to live off the expense of the taxpayer they thieve from. Fact is, what governments do NOT want you to know is that the entire period of the "Robber Barons" was nothing other than a myth and that the likes of Rockefeller with his company Standard Oil didn't hold a monopoly at all, and it was the likes of Rockefeller who benefited the consumer the most. Governments purposely went after them to prop up failing industry, and since the state's intervention, consumer prices have soared out of control ever since.
If the rhetoric governments fed people with stood to logical reasoning, why can they not show you a single mixed economy across planet Earth outperforming Hong Kong and Singapore historically who had practically no natural resources when it comes to economic growth and efficiency? Simple, because they have no examples, they depend on keeping the masses ignorant of economics and history to keep control over them. That's how they win the vote of the electorate.
If people understood the real true history of the Industrial Revolution and all the lies that was fed to people about capitalism, if people understood economics, this mixed economy would be as good as finished tomorrow.
What these politicians are trying to feed you with is nonsense, they're trying to say that the same socialism the Soviet Union had is somehow a benefit to society here in this mixed economy.

communism isn't an ideology

Well, it's disputable are religions ideologies or not, but I think they are. Do you have arguments on the opposite?

Your red scare existed from the very conception of the Russian Revolution when Russia was a collapsing backwater losing a world war. You installed radical Islamist groups in non-aligned third world middle Eastern countries to stop them from effecting socialism. You are still contending with the blowback from this today. It has always been about communism.

the government is biased you have to remember that, With them left to let markets compete and choices to appear it'll settle itself in short order.

That's why I treat Soviet regime as occupational government.

When you resort to this type of argumentation all it does it inform me that you know you've lost.

the government is biased

Yes a bourgeois state is biased to the interests of the capital class, this does not mean the solution is to get rid of the government entirely and give absolute authority to this same class. You end up with no borders, no standardised legal precedent, and no public infrastructure, that's what libertarians are asking for.

Communism isn’t even good in theory

It was tried, it was called Nazi Germany.

Also zero environmental regulations, zero zoning, zero central authority over private security forces, zero protections for children who can't buy their way in because their parents were poor. There are a practically infinite number of reasons why libertarianism is retarded.

Communism isn't even good in theory, it's retarded nonsense. The biggest flaw for the Left is that they always assume that society will just naturally progress toward some kind of magical space nigger communist utopia.
The only kind of socialism that works is National Socialism.

What about Yugoslavia?

Mmmmm hm

Nope whats missing is the abilities of people who already have innovations who are being deliberately sidelined and pushed away by banks and government interference to suit the oligarhic lobbying class that governemnt get paid by to keep the road clear for thier thievery, Why do these politiciand end up with millions more than they get payed, their not in it to do anything other than back their clan, and thats not us. Its a carousel of fucking wallet grabbing thieves and bad interests and thats another problem, We need representation that does what it says, we need laws changed and we need everyone to be examined by the same standard as is required and is excercised on the commoners as they love to call us. its not just economic freedom, surely you can understand that? We need a real ethics commitee with real powers and we need innovators that are not barred by government overreach which is quire deliberate to suit those that give them backhanders. Thats what we need. And we have never had it!

be a simple hard working peasant farmer in the part of the global free market access continuum that used to be called "England"

giant McNuke factory opens up next door because they bought out all your neighbour's land and there is no zoning

they dump toxic and radioactive waste into your field because it's cheaper and who gives a fuck

you have no recourse because there are no environmental regulations and they can afford McSecurity Force Premium™ while all you have is a gun

your soil is now permanently contaminated and your kids have melting skin and 30 toes on each foot

cannot afford to move anywhere else because all of the land is owned by the McWorld corporation and it doesn't matter because you decided to eliminate borders to facilitate freer markets and better wage competition so everywhere on earth is exactly the same

snicker about how dumb Karl Marx was and wonder when this whole freedom thing is supposed to kick in

Markets need to compete locally first and enviromental regulation means there will be no farms anywhere near danger areas, how about that? If a nations markets are solving problems then they have something to give in global markets, thats how the industrial revolution went is it not?

We have a central bank. Central banking is a core tenant of communism.

need to

That's nice, I see the world in real terms. They don't and they won't. It's not about competition, it's about accumulation, and they'll do anything they can to keep what they've stolen and get more. The problem is intrinsic to private ownership of the means of production.

Not an argument in the least

I gave you not a single argument

still you lost

Commies are funny.

giraffes are red

Lol, are you serious?

The central bank that commies wanted is not the same as central banks of today. It's not a regulatory authority over banks, it's literally one big bank that monopolizes bank services.

Commies jerk off on the idea that all economy will inevitably turn into one big monopoly. That's why they want a state that does everything. They think it's the most effective way, lmao.

ideologies are nothing without idealogues are nothing without people backing them. Captilism and communism are in the history books alongside nazism. Why do people still talk about these ideologies like they are relevant things?

Because they are relevant.

no they not they are currently been pages in a history book.

This country is admittedly socialist (with capitalist tendencies) and very very NATIONALIST.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm

history is not relevant to today?
Are you insane or stupid?

it is not nationalist, otherwise you retards would not have voted liberal again

The idea is that multiculturalism is the most effective way to divide and conquer.

This reply is retarded on many layers

The richest country in the world is communist.
Totally mogs westoid capcuck shitholes.
Now watch them sheeple defending their kike overlords.

Anon Babble is so stupid when it comes to communism

democracy is just socialism/communism light

The richest country in the world is communist.

You think Luxemburg a communist country?

I have nothing that is the product of theft. Way to project your thieving desires, commie.
Also, 70% of wealthy families lose their millionaire status by the 2nd generation and 90% by the third.
Basically, you are a retarded faggot.

People always said Vegas was a disgusting eyesore, but when China does it, it's suddenly good.

Communism is neofeudalism.
Party leader is the king.
The Party is The Royal Court, the aristocracy, the old boys club.
The Comrades are serfs.

member of the wealthiest class in his country trying to say he's stolen nothing on the internet in English while everyone else is out toiling in tin mines

ok bro

In theory communism doesn't account for human nature and like a child just says "and everyone lived happily ever after". The big thing communism needs to exist is the end of resource scarcity, but at that point it would just be a post scarcity society not really communism.

How do countries like Norway and Sw*den cater for people?

fucking oil my dude, we're gay Qatar with snow. and the sw*des built their modern economy on the backs off norwegians and finns.

Communism and Capitalism are both jewish tricks to subvert nations. The only answer is and always has been National Socialism.

why dont they use this picture of (((her))) instead?

5 rich jews sitting in literal castles on the hill while the poors all starve in literal garbage and human excrement in the valley below

That's the funniest example you could've used.

move to cuba

the emergence of the 'new type of man' was a declared necessity of communism. as it was taught, only a new, communist type of man could be trusted to operate in a stateless commie society, because he would not give in to greed and would not try to game the system. of course a society made entirely of these paragons would be extremely vulnerable to any tricksters and therefore it would not represent what game theory calls an evolutionarily stable strategy, mandating the presence of enforcers i.e. the state. this was also used as an excuse for the lack of progress towards stateless communism; the current generation, like moses et al in the sinai desert, were not supposed to ever arrive to the communist canaan. and maybe the leaders did not even mind not having to give up totalitarian power and blaming it on our imperfection.
t. was taught the theory at uni in romania during the 80's.

how about we kill u first?

THERE CAN ONLY BE CAPITALISM AND COMMUNISM!!!1

GEE IF THERE WAS LIKE ONLY ANOTHER WAY....