Should all drugs be legalized?

They're also usually cities with an astronomical cost of living so people have to choose between drugs and shelter

It's not that different from amphetamines or adderall.

In fact it's neuroprotective at low doses
youtube.com/watch?v=Tf2A2EoBxnw

outlaw Narcan

Except for surgeries - narcan is used to take you out of the fentanyl sedation.

This
Don't listen to the other retard

It is a study aid, it has been legitimately prescribed for attention deficit, narcolepsy, and obesity under the name Desoxyn. It is not a question of whether or not it improves acute cognitive performance it's a question of how many times you can repeat that before he neurotoxicity leaves you completely dependent upon it because it permanently damages your limbic system and its ability to transport endogenous dopamine

Should just have newly minted infants go through a gauntlet of bee stings and peanut dust, and we won't need epipens.

I didn't want to go to a psychiatrist to get an adhd diagnosis. I used to buy amphetamine pills from other students but it was too expensive.

So I just decided to buy like a gram of ice from my local hobo, give it an acetone wash, dissolve it in water and volumetric dose.

Yeah like in portugal not in portland because they are subhumans.
ANTIFAAAA

I am a pharmacologist specializing in pharmacodynamics do not argue with me about comparative neurotoxicities of catecholaminergic analogs. It is very different.

I call bullshit.

mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/methamphetamine-oral-route/description/drg-20071824

Description

Methamphetamine is used to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). It belongs to the group of medicines called central nervous system (CNS) stimulants.

Methamphetamine works in the treatment of ADHD by increasing attention and decreasing restlessness in children and adults who are overactive, cannot concentrate for very long, or are easily distracted and impulsive. This medicine is used as part of a total treatment program that also includes social, educational, and psychological treatment.

This medicine is available only with a doctor's prescription.

They got a tremendous amount of press because of that. The message was always "drugs bad" and side-stepped the poor bastards using the shit. There's no victimhood in being a willing degenerate, but almost none of them got that way because they planned on becoming a hopeless addict; they're just stupid, stupid people who made bad decisions a few times, which compelled them to keep doing it.

Yes jew, if you legalize everything the goyim will not kill you. They will be busy killing themselves slowly. You already knew that. You just wanted someone to point out a way for you to do both while making as many shekels as possible.

Thats how it used to be. And yet civilization still happened. It wasn't an issue until fucking Britain found it useful to get people addicted so they could control them. Then you went from some Chinese longhairs zoning out, to industrialized addiction. What an absolute nigger thing to do really.

Methamphetamine is just methylated amphetamine. The methyl group makes it cross the blood-brain barrier more easily.

Other than that their mechanism of action through dopamine and norepinephrine is the exact same. Methamphetamine just has some really minor effect on serotonin.

In eastern Europe, you just walk into one of the million pharmacies and the person there will diagnose, prescribe, and hand it out on the spot. Would've been way better than the current system we have in this mutt shithole

it has been legitimately prescribed for attention deficit,

Yeah - in the most extreme cases. Go try to get a script. You have to be completely out of your mind from ADHD to get it, then you have to find a pharmacy to fill it. If 100 people are on it nationwide, I'd be astounded. It's a gigantic risk for the prescribing doctor.

I cant recall how many times i have been called a jew on this website.

no we should double sentences for drug crimes

We should legalize all drugs in isreal as a test ground

Right. Those pesky fucking civil liberties were getting in the way of making killer mo ey jailing people. There's a reason the US has the world's largest prison population. People are making huge money from it. Defense attorneys, municipalities, privatized prison corporations like Pinkerton.

Lol no
funnily enough america is prob the easiest place to do this

yes but only if we make Australia the world's prison

Whatever you want, man. Good luck not going fucking batshit nuts. That's like me saying I had a headache, but didn't want to go to a pharmacy, so I got some black tar heroin from a shine on the corner and shot up instead.

youtube.com/watch?v=gkPxgUshpec&list=RDEM4Gfee0F9tWtRvhkEBmsYJA&index=17

This medicine is available only with a doctor's prescription.

Go ahead and try to get one. I never questioned that it's available. I'm telling you that you are full of shit.

youtube.com/watch?v=oSKQ9xl52MA

This video is a good metaphor. Some trips will leave you handicapped-looking as a result of messed up connections.
I know this tard who overdid it and he eventually developed spasms. You'd swear he was born handicapped like that, but nah.
Also, even if you think your plug is safe, it's a matter of circumstance and time until you receive one that was questionably prepped.

Stay away from neurotoxic drugs, and never listen to "functional" methheads, they won't be functional for long, and even there, won't notice it.

I mainly say it because Italians have a lot of kike DNA and every faggot from New Jersey says they are Italian. When in truth you can see the beak from space. I have good jewdar mainly due to deal with the Marranos pretending to be Catholic. The shit they do and the crazy number of religious cults they created in Mexico is mind boggling. Also I kid around and call everyone a kike. The real ones get ass blasted and cNt stop kvetching. Anyway I'm totally on the legalize everything. Including full 2nd amendment with open/conceal carry nationwide no permit.

They will be busy killing themselves slowly

Buddy, legality does not equal immediate and widespread use.

Are you talking about the Chinese opium wars? that was a joint Jewish operation the crown just benefited from it.

It's about the dose and route of administration. Taking 5 mg of meth orally is very different from junkies smoking hundreds of mg of it at a time.

I definitely wouldn't recommend it to others because most people have little self-control. However, lots of people are on Adderall and other amphetamine drugs and it's really not that different.

You're retarded.
singlecare.com/blog/desoxyn-vs-adderall/

I don't get it

I know it's methylated, I know it increases bioavailability by higher lipophilicity, however unlike you I know that that's also the exact mechanism by which its neurotoxicity is accelerated compared to dextroamphetamine. It is absolutely more neurotoxic and there are many in vivo and in vitro studies which have proven it. What you are doing right now is a common behaviour of methamphetamine users that is still being actively studied, that is the tendency to try to convince others to use the drug. It is an automatic behaviour that happens in all open meth users and is likely related to the neurotoxicity itself

They would just ship them here.

Yeah

yeah, that would be quite effective if you had a migraine and far easier to get than a prescription for opioids and you don't need to inject just eat it

A jew will never miss an opportunity to scam someone.

It's not my body or brain. Good luck to you.

Then you wouldn't mind explaining the exact mechanism by which it leads to neurotoxicity then would you?

All drugs including pharmaceuticals should be made illegal because the government and corporations have proven they can't be trusted with them

What is this supposed to prove? I never doubted that it exists, and the claim that Desoxyn is covered by insurance doesn't mean you'll talk the doctor into it.
Additionally, neither meds are good for anyone. They just make them better slaves.

You're the pharmacist? Or studying it? What is the frequency of the meth-based medication being prescribed?

It's very rare. Most doctors don't even know desoxyn exists and can be prescribed.

I won't be doing that. Thanks, though. Even if it was legal, I wouldn't start using heroin or opioids.

Always

Seriously.
The drug companies kill more people than heroin by far.

That enhanced lipophilicity doesn't just magically go away after it crosses the BBB. It's expected that you're going to attempt to justify your own drug use but if you're going to sit here and try to convince people that washed street meth is no more toxic than Adderall then I'm going to correct you. Even with your wash, do you have any idea how many acetone-soluble impurities can be retained after a wash that will precipitate and cocrystallize with meth?

That's what I've been trying to tell at least two of them here.

I don't have the numbers, I'd have to pay to see them, but it's very rare.

you're going to sit here and try to convince people that washed street meth is no more toxic than Adderall

Hahaha. I also saw the extreme irony in the fact that "washing" it in acetone made street glass A-ok. I wouldn't consume anything washed in acetone.

back when people were doing coke and h this was a popular concept.

Oregon made drugs legal, turns out that meth and fentanyl are not societally friendly

do you have any idea how many acetone-soluble impurities can be retained after a wash that will precipitate and cocrystallize with meth?

name a few

Of course
But most of all. Educational campaigns should be done. Fucking Nixon (or was it Reagan?) and war on drugs. All a charade. Meanwhile educating people about what drugs do in all sense, inform the population, is the way. And as tous say, away black market, away adulterer stuff. Just normalize. This is normal reasoning for anyone with some culture.

no one has conquered meth
no one

Are you an Australian meth user depending on acetone washes who doesn't know about the huge amount of DMSO2 in the current Australian meth supply? I sure hope you're not a parenteral user

Ok so what you are saying is that it's neurotoxic is because it's addictive and people will eventually use higher doses. So it's dose dependent.
And what if you don't re-dose?

Even with your wash, do you have any idea how many acetone-soluble impurities can be retained after a wash that will precipitate and cocrystallize with meth?

Ok I will give it to you that is actually a good point. I'll have to look into that to verify.

But you still haven't explained the mechanism by which it's neurotoxic. So much for being a pharmacologist. I'll explain it for you -
Meth works by flushing out dopamine from the pre-synaptic cleft into the cytoplasm, reversing DAT function, which forces dopamine en masse into the synaptic cleft. However, the dopamine in the cytoplasm is prone to "oxidation" and free radicals which kills the dopaminergic neurons.

No but I'm a chemist and a quick check shows it's highly soluble in water so a quick recrystallization will remove that, and that's prob easier to do than getting acetone btw

that's prob easier to do than getting acetone

Available at home depot, unless there's a food-grade acetone.

And what if you don't re-dose?

LMAO
good one

But you still haven't explained the mechanism by which it's neurotoxic

You can look it up yourself, I'm giving you the layman's explanation because your knowledge of this topic comes from bluelight forums. In short, higher bioavailability from enhanced lipophilicity means a greater inverse effect on your CNS's natural dopamine transport in both effect and duration. Neuroplasticity works both ways and if you have dopamine, amphetamine, and methamphetamine, you will develop preference for the more lipophilic methamphetamine every time and the targeted synapses will do the same in vitro.

it's highly soluble in water

As is meth, and you're going to have a hell of a time picking out the dried dmso2 dust from the meth dust that's left after a plain water recrystallization.

Yeah prob, I live in a town with lots of aboriginals and even methylated spirits isn't stocked on shelves, sometimes I forget what is and isn't banned here

It would also immediately crash more than half of the most Jewish markets and lose most of the kiked politicians their platform money.

I think acetone would kill even an aborigine.

Don't listen to Australians and pirates on the internet, kids!
Don't do meth!

Dude you don't even know the definition of bioavailability. How tf are you a pharmacologist??

No doubt, it's just that shops won't put certain things out that may get stolen, so I sometimes forget what you can actually buy

nothing I said contradicted the definition of bioavailability. You're looking for ways to justify your addiction and you'll try anything to do it

That's just icing on the cake, my fren.

No one here is advocating for meth. Honestly, to me it seems like you are a former meth junkie

Should all drugs be legalized?

Yes
People who want to do heroin have it coming
Let them stick the metaphorical fork in the electrical outlet

It's crazy. Between them and the shines here, I wonder which is worse.

You did though. You didn't use the word correctly. Just admit you don't have adequate scientific knowledge on this topic.

The people looking for meth and heroin would find a substitute if they couldn't get it, anyway.

Should all drugs be legalized?

Yes.

When?

Very slowly. Over multiple generations.

The war on drugs is very profitable for both sides and creates a lot of jobs. Way more jobs than legalising it. You can seize the assets of illegal busts rather than taxing legal sales so you still get the money. Now they're even using A.I. to harass drug users with Voice Phishing and Phone Number Spoofing. So you got Big Tech like Palantir taking their slice of the pie. The war on drugs is far too profitable to give up now.

Let's ask chatgpt

See you are wrong and have no idea what you are talking about.

just do meth guys, just a little bit, it's actually GOOD for you

There's a reason why people don't listen to the things you tell yourselves to feel less degenerate

Now ask Chat GPT is you should do meth

You lost. Now you are being hysterical

I don't have to ask that. I'll answer it for you- No

What we were doing was having a scientific and rational discussion

Yes. Legalize everything. The world would be a better place.

Recreational drugs outside of alcohol are for niggers, plain and simple. If you like those drugs you are a nigger at heart.

Only if you ban/schedule narcan and hold social services hostage for addicts unless they get treatment.
Otherwise, you'll just create a permanent welfare druggie class, and a two tier legal system because you can't compel them to do shit.

t. knower

You’re lying cuz meth lasts 24+ hours

You asked Chat GPT if my post explained to you in terms you'd better understand is 1:1 to standardized technical language and when it inevitably wasn't you used this as an argument that meth is actually good for you. You're an addict and there's no amount of medical literature that will make you stop "boofing" your "shards", the information is for people who might fall for your bullshit.

Well? What did the gospel say?

good point

no because addictive drugs take away free will.

It's half life is 10-12 hours depending on your metabolic rate.

So it lasts 24 hours

i dont want to be a robotic wageslave sardine like you

vast majority of fent overdoses are because of cross contamination, make drugs legal and people can buy clean from reputable sources. it’s a joke that cocaine is illegal, it’s a such a non issue, and same for all the psychedelics or party drugs like MDMA. make drugs legal and every girl will be skinny and hot within 6 months, the war on drugs has been a disaster for humanity

This is what I asked. You lost.

if it was a white nation yes
but because we are occupied by niggers and browns, no

lmao
fuckin tweakers man

technically

See:

I'd like legal cocaine, please. i just like to do small amount every day like 1-3 bumps . or even just have access to products with it, like OG Coca Cola.

absolutely
whatever you think about drug use, laws clearly don't stop people from using drugs, they just piss away money

vast majority of fent overdoses are because of cross contamination, make drugs legal and people can buy clean from reputable sources

The stats from the experimental places that have legalized fentanyl prove this isnt what happens. Turns out junkies want to blend their own shit and overdose no matter what. And then before you know it, you have 5hr hold times for 911 medical because of all the addicts in the queue ahead of you

that’s a problem that solves itself, anon. and those same junkies are going to acquire their drugs regardless, legal drugs protects the majority of casual party peeps

that’s a problem that solves itself, anon

Not if narcan is legal and widely available. Also, junkies reproduce culturally just like trannies, so there's extra incentive to not allow their culture to flourish.

All drugs being legal is natural.
The alcohol prohibition was a bad time.

Reminder that Deutschland, basically one of the main centers of the EU, has legalized marijuana

Yeah but not the laser focus part, that's over quick

We tried that for a while where I live. Didn’t go too well.

Tracy R Twyman

wtf...

Should all drugs be legalized?

I used to believe in that, and everything else you said. Then it actually happened in Oregon: They legalized ALL drugs. Portland and the rest of the state became littered with junkie assholes passed out in broad daylight on the street, doing nothing else but getting high and finding easy ways to get the money for it. Oregon is thinking about rolling back that law.

youtube.com/watch?v=gWFlpCBMyIk

No way

only natural ones like shrooms and weed should be allowed.

So what is the victory condition for the war on drugs?

Because even if they reenact that money laundering House of cards it's not going to make the junkies go away you understand that right?

So what is the victory condition for the war on drugs?

There is no victory condition. Just like there is no victory condition for crime in general. The best you can do is get it as low as you can, or at least to a tolerable level that doesn't cripple or destroy your entire society. Okay so maybe THAT'S the victory condition.

Realistically yes if you want to live around a bunch of drug addled pieces of shit for a decade or two until they die

This is why I stopped being a lolbert and am against legalizing drugs, they’re already illegal in our country and I still have to deal with crackheads asking me for money at the grocery store when I’m just getting some food for my infant daughter imagine how much worse that would be for at least a few years before these assholes all die, fuck this idea

I am a pharmacologist specializing in pharmacodynamics

Lay out an argument instead of spitting out this ad verecundiam shit.

No and you should be fed into a woodchipper and turned into linguine for even making this thread you lolbot finook kek

You can't just legalize all drugs and do "harm reduction" you've got to re-integrate people into society as well and not ostracize them with felony charges and imprisonment.
Portugal was having a bad drug problem a while ago and was following the American model of illegality, prosecute and imprison. Then when they get out, they're felons who were shunned by society.
So they legalized all drugs and opened up a bunch of treatment centers. On top of that, employers were incentives to higher recovering addicts to re-integrate then into society. If a recovering addict managed to work an entire year at a company, the government paid half their salary.
The opposite of addiction is not sobriety, it's connection. Portland model was fucking retarded because the addicts were still left to languish as outcasts, so of course they continued to get fucked up.
Unfortunately the Portugal model will never happen here, but it was very successful.

The best you can do is get it as low as you can, or at least to a tolerable level that doesn't cripple or destroy your entire society. Okay so maybe THAT'S the victory condition.

This war on crime thing's been going since the '80s

Do you only think it's improved is Jewish pockets through the prison system, and jobs for sociopaths in law enforcement and all the other laundering and siphoning that's going into Jewish bank accounts I'm sure.

I don't get how people can be anti-government or pro Liberty on things like owning property or guns but you're not allowed to own certain chemicals or plants?

I'm not saying you believe that but in general

Are you the nigger proposing for everyone to be fed into a woodchipper posting in all boards?

War on drugs*
But me Mistyping is funny cuz why is it a war on drugs and not a war on crime?

This war on crime

Nta, and I know this was a typo, but the counter argument curs in either direction.

If we "failed" to beat crime, is the rational thing to do to legalize all crime, or to keep prosecuting criminals to the best of our ability?
If we "failed" to stop drugs, is the rational thing to legalize all drugs, or to charge junkies and then put them into deferment via treatment?

All laws are just

Kind of the vibe I get from your post I'm not saying that's what you're implying but it felt like it.

Again why are people getting prison sentences for possession of plants or chemicals? Why certain chemicals bad but not others? I can buy drugs that are very similar to currently illegal stuff online with minor change in the chemical makeup and it's totally legal.

What has the war on drugs actually done to lower "crime rates"?

If anything I'm sure it's made crime go up because all kinds of new categories are now new crimes.

The solution in a non-jewed multicultural society is yes legalize all drugs you're always going to have people with vices on some level, why spend money locking them up instead of helping them?

Again why are people getting prison sentences for possession of plants or chemicals? Why certain chemicals bad but not others?

The answer to that is the behavior of humans who use those chemicals at scale versus society's line for bullshit.
If you want a practical demonstration, I'd follow earlier anons post and go check out Oregon.

I'm not going to say that laws are perfect or even that drug penalties are well balanced.
I'll even agree that I think 25 to 50% of the population could probably use coke casually and be fine.
I'm just going to tell you that legalizing things like fentanyl and meth for everyone out of some libertarian purity and anti-Nixonite drug ear sentiment is demonstrably retarded

Nah. I ended up quitting (heroin) coz a natural disaster happened and my town dried up because nothing could get in or out of the entire city.

But meth and fentanyl are not going away, instead we get Mexican and Chinese who know what drugs cut with who else knows what, sold by shady brown and black people.

It's like the people who say if we can just ban guns then we'll have no more gun crime. I was a heroin addict for 5 years, in my early twenties I was an alcoholic for like 3 years.

I've seen what drugs do to people and let me tell you there's no worst drug out there than alcohol(besides like krok, also, my opinion by the way) yet it's legal?

It's time to help people (white people) address the root of the problem why people use drugs or help them get clean if we're going to spend billions upon billions of dollars(POSSIBLY TRILLIONS I DON'T KNOW) for over 40 years, instead of getting sociopathic Johnny McLaW the ability to buttfuck anyone who wants to get high for a minute to escape this Jewish society we live in OH THE HORROR!

The solution in a non-jewed multicultural society is yes legalize all drugs you're always going to have people with vices on some level, why spend money locking them up instead of helping them?

You seem really obsessed with Jews. So let me ask you this: If all drugs were legalized and the first legal corporations to pop up and sell mass quantities of recreational drugs to the public were all Jewish owned, would that change your mind any?

But meth and fentanyl are not going away,

We don't need them to go away, we need them to reduce in use among the broad spectrum of society. The idea we now must legalize them to do so is both a false dichotomy and also probably false in the areas that have tried it.

let me tell you there's no worst drug out there than alcohol

Guy, forever real. Go visit the west coast, you won't say this sort of shit

it's time to help people (white people) address the root of the problem why people use drugs or help them get clean

Agreed, which is why charges can be deferred for compelled drug treatment.

Drug use should just be criminalized or at very least institutionally disenfranchised.

there's no worst drug out there than alcohol(besides like krok, also, my opinion by the way) yet it's legal?

Heroin and cocaine are absolutely worse than alcohol. But it should be illegal as well.

*provably

No it wouldn't, do you have any actual arguments or are you just trying to distract from my post?

Yes. Drug war failed, it's FAR better to make all this shit legal and regulate it's fucking cleanliness and purity. This whole shit is why fent even is a fucking problem - people aren't buying fent, it's IN THEIR OTHER SHIT because that crap is laced from the drug dealers.

Regulate that crap, make it clean, make it all legal. It would help clean up this fucking disaster level shit we've made for ourselves. AND it would stop giving power to cartels and overseas nations looking to destabilize the US via drug impurities.

How would making it legal solve the opioid crisis? People would still spend every dime they have in heroin if given the chance. People were microdosing morphine by modern standards in the late 19th and early 20th century and it still caused a ton of problems.

Everything unhealthy should be illegal, it doesn't matter if it's sugar or heroin or alcohol

But hey, it'd be "clean and pure", and then local governments would be getting that sweet heroin cash instead of cartels. That couldn't possibly create conflicts of interest or perverse incentives.

that's what Ive been saying. let people make their own choices. actually make drugs plentiful, those who cant do moderation will die out.

all drugs were legal in America not long ago. in 1930 they started banning all drugs one at a time. you used to be able to go to the drug store and buy some liquid cocaine for a tooth ache, or some straight opium for a cough
technically most of those things do still exist in medicine form, even cocaine and opium, but they are in a weakened form and require prescriptions.

imagine a future where not only the government and some rich guys profited off of drugs, but any average dude could just grow poppies in Texas or coca in Florida and sell it. or maybe not even sell it if the shit is growing free every where.
that's another thing, the government also burns down all these plants to control the supply so you only buy from them. weed was semi naturalized before the 30s, growing along roads and railroad tracks, all of that was burned in a campaign.

ya but they dont provide good dope. those "sanctuary decriminalized" cities do not allow drug dealing. So all those crackheads are buying and using dope cut with antifreeze, all sorts of fucked up shit. if they provided good dope itd be OK. No one has the right to tell anyone else what to do with their body. If i wanna get fucked up i wanna get fucked up.

Bro I was on the street for 5 years I've seen everything there's no worst drug for your body than alcohol.

Anyways I think we're getting hung up in the weeds here replying to each other, which I don't like I prefer decent rhetoric. here's my main points:

-the government has no business telling any citizen what they can or can't own

-I looked it up and it's more than a trillion dollars of taxpayer funds go to a "war on drugs" 54 years now. How long is it going to take how much money do we need to provide? And once again what are the victory conditions for this "war"?

Half a century is a long time to have no results don't you think?

Let's start here what are your responses to what I'm saying here.

I was a heroin addict for 5 years

"Former" heroin addict wants heroin to be legalized. Color me surprised.

Neither heroin or cocaine cause liver failure or tremors which can result in death from withdrawal, or totally destroy your body like alcohol does cope more

Alcohol and benzodiazepines are the top two worst

And they're both legal LOL

-the government has no business telling any citizen what they can or can't own

The government (and your neighbors) limit ownership all the time. You can't own slaves, you can't own fissile material, you can't own strict monopolies, etc. You may not like or agree with those limits. But they exist and have since the dawn of time.

I looked it up and it's more than a trillion dollars of taxpayer funds go to a "war on drugs" 54 years now. How long is it going to take how much money do we need to provide?

Your dichotomy is that we must spend the same amount and effort as we did during the actual hot war on drugs. That's not required. There are more choices than "conduct CIA and DEA raids every month on dealers" vs "just legalize everything." Local drug prosecution with deferment to treatment for non-dealers is fine and comparatively inexpensive.

what are the victory conditions for this "war"?

False framing, because I don't want a "war" nor do I intend to prosecute, define or pay for a "war", anymore than continually catching shoplifters in my area constitutes a war on shoplifting.

Legalize drugs

Some mfers overdose because its $1/kg for crocodile meth now

overtime OD cases it settle down

Sounds good, however....

Guvment in kahoots wid da cartels

Low cocaine prices = no cartelarino cuts for the FEDS

FEDS mad so drugs stay illegal

Simple as, stop noticing and stop questioning goyim its just the way things are

The government (and your neighbors) limit ownership all the time. You can't own slaves, you can't own fissile material, you can't own strict monopolies, etc. You may not like or agree with those limits. But they exist and have since the dawn of time

Dawn of time

I'm sorry I was taking you seriously earlier. I will still answer what you said though by saying, I'm against all those things too I don't even know what fissile material is but you should be able to own it why not?
As for your last item, my post was about private citizens not about businesses so I don't know why you mentioned monopolies.

I'm going to stop there because the dawn of time thing kind of makes me feel like I'm wasting my time

Hopefully you just mistyped

Against my better judgement, I am actually going to try and argue with the junkie:

-the government has no business telling any citizen what they can or can't own

A government can do whatever the fuck it can compel you to do whether you like it or not. We would just prefer to have a government that allows us enough personal freedoms to be happy. So, when a government is doing something you don't like, you can either try to change their laws or rebel or just escape. It's not morally correct, but that's just the way it is and to pretend otherwise is living in a fantasy world.

-I looked it up and it's more than a trillion dollars of taxpayer funds go to a "war on drugs" 54 years now. How long is it going to take how much money do we need to provide? And once again what are the victory conditions for this "war"?

I already answered this. There is no victory condition, the goal is to just keep it to a minimum and not allow it get so out of control to the point that your entire country becomes a completely corrupt shithole with a drug addicted populace that is only concerned about getting high and nothing else. Again: Look at Oregon and specifically Portland when they legalized all drugs. If trillions of dollars prevented that from happening to the rest of the country, then it was money well spent.

Half a century is a long time to have no results don't you think?

Again: There is no "victory condition" here, only tolerable levels you can get it down to. Maybe we could call the "Victory Condition" you seek a level at which rampant drug use doesn't destroy a stable society.

Dawn of time

hopefully a typo

Nope. Your argument must reconcile with collective restraint on individual freedoms predating the written word. And it must do so more convincingly than just "yeah but I don't like that and I oppose it."

A government can do whatever the fuck it can compel you to do whether you like it or not.

Jesus Christ are you serious? Government has no innate power or privilege to do anything. Its only source of authority and power is from the people who created it

Well our government can fuck you in the ass and that's why I'm arguing with you because I I've been living under demoralization so wrong that I now argue for my imprisoners

Yeah call me a junkie all you want boot licker at least I'm white and believe in the founding father's same principles unlike you

Jesus Christ are you serious?

Dead serious.

Government has no innate power or privilege to do anything.

Correct. They have guns and jails to get you to comply.

Its only source of authority and power is from the people who created it

On its inception, yes. After that, it derives its source of power and authority from its ability to physically, financially, or socially kick your ass if you misbehave.

Is it right and moral? Fuck no. But it's just the way it is and you ain't gonna be the one to change any of that.

all drugs are effectively legal if you know what you're doing and don't tell anyone

No you must provide proof of your rebuttals my argument was that no government should be able to tell you what you can or can't own your counter argument was that that's been happening since the down of time which actually isn't an argument, I just was kind of enjoying the conversation but let's do it.

This is pretty much appeal to tradition logical fallacy so go ahead and explain to me why just because even if we have been somehow ruled over by governments since the dawn of time like you say, and in that time government has always been able to dictate personal liberties, why you are for that if your premise is true

That would be an actual rebuttal to my argument saying government has no business limiting what anybody can own

You must argue according to my rules.

Yeah, we're done here.

no government should be able to tell you what you can or can't own

rebut this

That isn't a logical position. It's a value judgment.
You don't have (nor have you offered) a priori or deductive reasoning for that statement. It's simply what you believe.

I'm not rebutting your value judgment because it's not possible to logically disprove a value judgment. I'm pointing out to you that your belief is incongruent with the entirety of the existing human condition. You can call that fallacious if you like, but it's going to do very little to convince anyone your ideas function.

I don't even understand what an argument is or how to have civilized discussion everything I talk about is based from emotion because I'm a nigger

Here's a smuggie

Kek

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