Why do conspiracy theroists believe that the WTC should have toppled over?

I'm old enough to have witnessed this live. It's well documented and I saw the second plane on live TV. It's no conspiracy, it happened as we know it. People also forget about the Pentagon.

pools of molten metal

ok look a new conspiracy theory

I'm no theorist. I am a journalist.

I have professional credentials.

I'm censored online for reporting this.

Less than 1,000 people have seen this footage.

Am trying to publish it online, facing a lot of censorship.

YouTube blocks my vidoes when I upload, social media won't allow it.

So I publish it on Anon Babble. Maybe one day I can afford an ad.

Do buildings ALWAYS collapse through the pa5h of most resistance? Because thats seems counterintuitive to me.

It's called gravity, genuis

this is like everyone watching, a David Copperfield illusion.
you are ALL concerned with the big tower one, tower two collapse.
the REAL question? is the other end of the stage, you fooled fools.
how did WTC 7 (smaller building) collapse.
tower one, tower two? Didn;t hit it.
plane didn;t hit it.
THAT, is where any "conspiracy", should truly start.

That said.
those "puffs of demolition smoke" that do LOOK like charges running down a controlled pancack demolition-drop?
One it starts pancaking... that's things like big bolts and rivets overstressed and blowing out from the too much pressure, form the wrong loading direction.
this armchair shit? gets annoying.
explain how wtc-7 goes down!
that, is legitimate!

Why did Building 7 go down like that?

it was hit by debris from the other buildings which damaged the structure, and there was a fire. There are detailed vids showing structural analysis why it failed and how it failed.

hollow

yes, things tend to fall straight down. if the building offers enough resistance to stop something from falling, we call that "a normal building", and that's how generally they stay standing up.

when the building stops offering enough resistance to hold the top up, the top falls down through the bottom. we call this "collapse".

because they were extremely overengineered steel and concrete structures, therefore it PHYSICALLY MAKES NO SENSE that they collapsed into their footprint as if that steel and concrete structure didn't exist. it only can make sense if explosives were used the same way a building is set up to be demolished. if you believe that it was not a controlled demolition, you believe that the hijackers made 100 floors of steel and concrete disappear

But it just fell down like it got demolished. What debris can accelerate to such velocity to take it out without muh plane flying right into it? Makes zero sense, these buildings weren't made of styrofoam.

therefore it PHYSICALLY MAKES NO SENSE that they collapsed into their footprint as if that steel and concrete structure didn't exist.

they spent 30 years not collapsing into their footprint. the reason they collapsed at all is because the steel and concrete structure could no longer hold itself up. if it's not able to hold itself up, why wouldn't it just fall down? where do you think it was supposed to fall instead?

But it just fell down like it got demolished.

after being on fire for 8 hours.

The truck bomb in the 1993 WTC explosion was built by the FBI, and this was TESTIFIED to, in court. And reported by the NY Times. But I'm sure nothing untoward happened on 9-11-2001. You can't really expect a 40 trillion dollar protection grid to work anyway. Its totally normal for everything to fail at the same EXACT moment in time. Nothing to see here...

Do you think anyone would believe a few muslims could demolish 2 buildings without anyone noticing? The theory is that the plane distracts people from the explosives. The reasoning is that jet fuel isn't hot enough for steel to melt.

1993 taught them how.

conspiracy theory is just zionist propaganda. Jews did 9/11 and the how doesn't matter.

What gets me about 9/11 is how basic the plan was. It didn't require a lot of sophistication, just people with box cutters, luck, and catastrophic security lapses.

9/11 creeps me out in a way other gore videos don't because of the jumpers. There is something uniquely horrifying about those videos because other gore videos almost seem cartoonish .... there is a suspension of belief. The jumpers are uniquely human.

I dunno, autism or something

You're the same kike doing damage control on the Australian covid thread that's up right now. Don't think we don't notice you demons.
TKD.

I don't care how the buildings came down. Kikes knew about it beforehand, celebrated it and benefited from it. Nobody is falling for your gay distractions anymore jew nigger.

look at your picrel, they were hit offcenter,...
the fall has all the signs of a standard building demo, thermite was placed during the "sprinkler" upgrades.

building gets hit high up and off center

falls down into foot print

because building no longer complete

and yet, somehow they were able to erect the building in the first place without it falling down.

No asshole going through the path of most resistance violates the laws of physics because it requires energy to be added to supply the necessary force. Just l8ke the pancake theory is flawed. Well completely wrong. Another thing that violates common sense and probably Newtons Laws of Physics, because those buildings fell through the path of most resistance at a speed that violates the laws of physics. Unless you add extra energy. Like in the form of an explosive. THAT would explain a LOT.

fake and gay - the guy who made it even put a little ufo in the background to see if anyone was actually paying attention

yes, correct. the top fell on the bottom, and the bottom fell apart because of the force.

the blackboxes in those planes were destroyed due to extreme heat and wreckage

Anyways, here's the passports of all the terrorists we found in the wreckage kek

No asshole going through the path of most resistance violates the laws of physics because it requires energy to be added to supply the necessary force

the additional energy is supplied by gravity. when you drop a ball it accelerates towards the ground despite air resistance.

did you seriously not realise this?

guy who made it even put a little ufo in the background

CIA niggers muddying the water as usual

if we add silly thing then all of those will sound ridiculus pointing out our terorism on US soil

Did passports fall out of pocket of hijackers IN THE PLANE only to be found in the rubble charred and readable kek

what does that have to do with pancake theory?

without ever explaining why we would even expect that it wouldn't

wind, or idk, maybe getting hit by a fucking airliner at high speed might have an affect

reinforced steel or empty space filled with nothing but air. Choose the path of least resistance. Difficulty level, grade three.
Fore more info on an already discussed to death topic consult 4plebs.org
Next thread.

how is the skyscraper supposed to get from where it is (sitting on top of a column of reinforced steel) into the empty air? does god pick it up and move it several hundred feet to the side?

this is what i mean. you say that you expect it to fall through empty air but you don't explain why that expectation is reasonable or even possible. HOW does the skyscraper fall through empty air? how does it get from where it is - on top of the rest of the skyscraper - to where you think it should be, several hundred feet off to the side.

planned demolition made sure they found them exactly where they wanted them and them some CIA nigger charred them with lighter because they havent been damaged enough

how? how is the wind going to pick up and move something that weighs as much as the titanic in the 11 seconds it took for wtc1 to collapse?

prior to the collapse it was still a single unitary structure, so it wouldn't have been blown anywhere. then it began to collapse and 11 seconds later it had finished collapsing. how much wind and what airspeed would be required to blow it off to the side in 11 seconds? this is a question you can solve with maths. have you tried? do you know the answer?

these buildings weren't made of styrofoam

They still got clobbered with some big fucking chunks of skyscraper falling at highway speed. Building 7 had some major damage along the side facing the towers, including what firefighters and police at the site described as a 20+ story gash down the side, damaging and exposing internal structural supports

If you go to this archived news footage, you can see part of the silhouette of the damage through the smoke at about 31:20 or so
archive.org/details/abc200109111323-1404

Drop a 5kg medicine ball and try to kick it like a football in the air see how far it goes. Literally Newton's first law.

For me the thing is building 7, nothing hit it but it came down like a demolition

Stay stupid. That infographic in the OP claims the fires burned at over 2000° but jet fuel is just kerosene, which doesn't burn that hot. No where near it. And I'm almost 100% certain a flame retardant is added to it just for this reason. Inhibiting its damage. Planes can't fly at ridiculously high airspeeds at sea-level due to a phenomenon called flutter which is some type of oscillation that will rip the wings off. If I were going to attack America I wouldn't hit the fucking banking sector I would go after the symbol of American power that's on TV globally everyday, the Whitehouse. MAYBE the capitol. Nothing about 9/11 makes sense unless you're a gullible retard. Building 7 was where the evidence for every financial crime for the 15 years before 9/11 was brought in the Southern District of New York. All of them. Its was nice for the Taliban to destroy it all. And it was also very nice to hit the accounting office in the Pentagon where they were trying to find 2 trillion missing dollars. It was awesome, for Bin Laden to help both American oligarchy and hegemony like that.

youtu.be/CpU5GKz-i3k

Yeah that part is so fucking bizarre that it almost seems like it has to be true. Call me a shill, but if this was a conspiracy wouldn't someone stop and be like, "bro no, no one will fucking believe that." Hmm.

Everyone, look into the evidence that it was a directed energy weapon. I am not sold but to me that is the only conspiracy that makes sense. Explain this shit otherwise:

youtube.com/watch?v=QogYKo-DBwk&list=PLatEV--G6JY-2JRhfG5TIIuw69KTWksUZ

There is a woman; I think Dr. Judy Wood who has written and made videos about this.

what does any of this have to do with pancake theory?

But it moves its path when you kick it it doesnt fall str8 downward trajectory
Same way top 1/3 of building would meet 2/3 of structurly intact concrete and steel tower core you wouldnt think it would bounce aside or move downward trajectory ?

good spot
OP IS A FAGGOT

Explain the other building that didn't get hit by a plane then

how about cake stack theory for you
what's the probability of so much israeli meddling in one highly contentious instance?

btw the passport thing is something they do often, it's a cheap amateurish trick from chaplain days, and they still use it

But it moves its path when you kick it

sure, because a kick isn't just a vertical force it's also horizontal.

the structure underneath wtc 1 when it was collapsing only provided vertical resistance. what force would act on wtc 1 to push it to the side?

The guy who made that particular fake video was Edward Current who is San Francisco liberal gay jew, who made a parody of whites christians, christian pastors and conspiracy theorist. This was 2008-2009 back in the day, when youtube was full of atheism-christianity debate. He might have his youtube channel still up.

And yes, he did that video to fool "truthers", and make fun of them. Shitlibs are still trying to push that video and poison the well with it. If you guys are genuine about 911 being a demolition then dont spread that video, as it only hurts.

how about cake stack theory for you

not interested, but feel free to make your own thread if you like.

conspiracy theorists

Opinion disregarded in general, however, the main problem with the towers and 9/11 is (aside from many others like the "foundries") the fact that they collapsed at free-fall-speed into their own footprint. Even if - no, especially if - acknowledging the "pan-cake theory" there is no explanation for that other than a controlled deterioration or removal of structural integrity on the lower levels.
It basically has to do with the principle of Newton's third law, that

for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

It basically goes something like

Block of stories falls down

Block crashes on pancake 1 with force x

Building exerts force x back on block of stories

However, force x deteriorates structural integrity on top floor of Building

three to five more stories collapse under force x-y

Block falls down with force x-y

Building exerts force x-y back on Block

Block deteriorates structural integrity of more stories below etc.

The only constant in this entire math is gravity itself, but as you can see, with every "pancake", a lot of kinetic energy from the "fall of the upper block" is absorbed, again and again, until either the upper part crumbles or slides to a side ending the chain reaction of "pancakes" or at least visibly slowing it down.

There was no visible slowing down, ergo we know that structural integrity on all lower levels was compromised prior to the collapse.

This is precisely how a controlled demolition works. First, you pretty much simultaneously blow charges in the carrying structure and then with one big blast you initiate the collapse.

I hope this bit of basic middle-school physics helped you understand the "conspiracy theorists"

A structural engineer in Alaska did finite element analysis and proved that the damage to tower 7 could not have caused the collapse that happened. Core columns would have needed to be systematically cut to achieve what happened.

only provided vertical resistance

only

It was all that it needed to NOT fall straight downward like a sack of potatoes
Even after demolition some parts of it were standing dosens of floors high like toothpicks
At some point top of the building would have accelerated faster and hit pancake floors and bounced aside IF someone didnt detonate explosives and destroy its support eliminating vertical resistance

The video IS legit
Them kike niggers adding UFOs and all other silly movie effects so people stop using it WAS their main goal
At this point all of video material has been tempered with, allong with killing people and capturing all footage people made of it throughout these decades
There was also footage from helicopter, from the air i cant find anywhere now

when charges are placed at support beams and exploded in order..
great now cite precedence.
some steel skyscrapers have burned for 24 hours some longer, not one collapsed because of a fire, before or since..
bingo.
yes

your maths assumes that the force of the top of wtc 1 landing on the bottom of wtc 1 only affects the single floor that it lands on, i.e. that every floor must collapse individually onto every other floor. this is not true. the force of the top of the building landing on the bottom of the building must be absorbed by the entire bottom of the building, inherently, because it has to be transmitted through the entire building to the ground. secondly, if the force removed from the falling object by resistance is not greater than the force added by gravity, the top of the building can still accelerate towards earth despite resistance. we know this because this is how things fall through the air. air resists their falling, but nevertheless they fall. thirdly, the buildings did not collapse at freefall speed. wtc1 took 25 seconds to completely collapse. an object falling from the same height would take only 9 seconds. even the visible collapse of wtc 1 took 11 seconds. clearly, there was resistance.

any questions?

Funny you mention that, I also saw a video from a structural engineer prove that the "pancake theory" required removal of all core structure integrity from top to pretty much bottom of the building prior to collapse for it to collapse at free fall.
He did the experiments using Jenga blocks and metal hinges. The only way he even came close to free fall speed was when there was no solid structure holding the entire building upright - just like in a controlled demolition.

I don't think that video exists anymore.

The pancake theory takes too long. It doesn't account for the time when the upper floor hits the lower floor and momentarily stops before continuing downward. The buldings collapsed in under 2 minutes, not 4 or 5. The pancake theory was debunked by a high school physics teacher. The planes hit the top of the building. How could the lower undamaged part of the structure just crumble, especially since the much smaller top part had chucks blown out by planes? Where was the necessary mass required for crushing the undamaged steel core of the bottom 75% of the building?

what force would act on wtc 1 to push it to the side?

you didn't answer my question.

what force would act on wtc 1 to push it to the side?

and bounced aside

why? what makes it bounce aside? at best it would just bounce straight back up.

you are asserting a horizontal force must exist and must act on wtc 1 in a non-demolition collapse. what is this force? where does it come from? if you cannot answer this question, you cannot be correct.

some steel skyscrapers have burned for 24 hours some longer, not one collapsed because of a fire, before or since..

this is a lie. one collapsed in Iran and one in Brazil.

10 stories of concrete and steel falling through 100 stories of concrete and steel are pretty much comparable to 10 stories of concrete and steel falling through air

any questions?

Not at all, you are fully retarded, I understand.

It doesn't account for the time when the upper floor hits the lower floor and momentarily stops before continuing downward

yes it does. that's why it takes more than 9 seconds for the building to collapse.

it doesn't take much more than 9 seconds, because it's a very heavy building, but there is clearly resistance offered by the remaining structure which slows down the collapse. it does not collapse at freefall speed.

At this point would it not be possible to simply simulate it on software? Surely we have the building plans and the info on the planes.
Even if it's just rough estimate you can simply run at different parameters and see if it's possible to replicate.

thirdly, the buildings did not collapse at freefall speed. wtc1 took 25 seconds to completely collapse. an object falling from the same height would take only 9 seconds. even the visible collapse of wtc 1 took 11 seconds. clearly, there was resistance.

Structural integrity provides resistance which would make falling debris follow path of least resistance aka sliding to the side of the buillding
That would make it believable that WTC7 collapsed from debris
You claim it collapsed str8 downward yet others claim debris fell hundreds of meters onto another building
Which one is it
Well you see you cant have you cake and eat it kek

Structural integrity provides resistance which would make falling debris follow path of least resistance aka sliding to the side of the buillding

this is not true. if there is vertical resistance, the object simply stops falling. for the object to be moved horizontally, it must experience a horizontal force.

imagine a ball is falling through the air. i place a big block of steel underneath it. does the ball suddenly shoot off to the side? no. it hits the steel and stops falling (after bouncing a bit, obviously). when an object cannot move downwards, it stops moving downwards. but for that object to move sideways it must experience a sideways force.

what force do you think should have acted on wtc 1 to move it sideways? if you cannot answer this question, you cannot be correct.

Let's say floors are 5m tall, that's at 10 m/s freefall. Probably less than that, so rounding down the weight of the top to 50 000 tons, 5*10^7 kg, that's 5*10^8 kg m/s, let's say impact took 1/2 a second and deforms 1 m, that's a peak impact force of 5*10^9 Newtons, the equivalent of stacking 3 full twin towers on top of the stump for half a second.

And three in New York on a single day.

Keep trying, shill, you're well worth your money!

i'm more interested in your response to this:

Nine seconds? Was it smote by the hand if God?

the good lord works in mysterious ways

really? an abandoned 24 story high rise in a third world country proves reinforced skyscrapers can fall from fire?? K cool nice talk. Did you "research" this yourself? Plz tell age and whether or not five eyes affiliated.

you said not a single steel skyscraper has collapsed due to fire. this is a lie. one fell in brazil, one fell in iran, and three fell in new york.

as a side note, the wtc didn't collapse due to fire either. someone also flew a plane into it, which is what caused the fires as well as several other notable problems.

NIST hid all the parameters they used in their models. They claimed it was for public safety. I think they knew this day would come so they just classified the shit out of everything.

it breaks into pieces and then the pieces fall straight down

Interesting because that's exactly what would have happened to the 800 pieces of bone fragments including those of the firefighters that were found on the roof of a bank blocks away. Oh wait the buildings were blown up and the bone fragments were ejected onto the top of the bank. Keep doing you though OP because if you think the 9/11 conspiracy is bad you really want absolutely no part in the bi-directional BCI trauma based simulation program weaponizing "mental illness" the CIA is currently running at full steam.

* 3+ full twin towers at peak force, 1.5-2 twin towers for half a second. The point stands, once you have just one floor weakening the whole thing weights so much it's not unreasonable that it would all collapse without thermite or holograms.
In any case Israel did it.

are there two ozzies in this thread pushing this? I literally just responded to this.
1. There is clear images of cut steel beams in the wreckage.
2. The rubble burns for over three weeks despite no gas lines on and it rained a lot, there were micro steel beads found and actual thermite compounds found by chemists at ground zero. Thermite is used in demolitions.
3. People literally saw the explosions and I have seen video of actual explosions visible.
4. If you think fire caused wt7 to collapse then why did it collapse from the top- down when the fire was in the parking garage in the basement. Magic fire?
5. Larry Silverstein "pull it"
6. BBC reporting the towers collapsed prematurely.

And thats just off the top of my head,

top few floors just decide to take the path of greatest resistance and collapse directly through a million tons of building anchored directly into bedrock for shits and giggles

9/11 explained in 5 minutes
youtube.com/watch?v=HXYswf3lzU8

September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor, by Massimo Mazzucco

They've been hit by planes a couple time before, was never an issue. I'm more curious about building 7. Lucky Larry, the Israeli art students that had control of a few of the 90th floors. Too many weird things. 2 trillion went missing from the pentagon and then this level of misdirection to avoid an audit...

The two trillion was likely in relation to their directed energy weapons research, particularly of the mind control variety. Those technologies by and large are how 9/11 was pulled off. Those planes weren't flown by sand niggers, they were remote controlled with these technologies with the pilots likely being incapacitated using technologies from the same realm.

someone also flew a plane into it

Retard, you’re replying to someone talking about building 7. Did you not read the posts you’re replying to?

Great, let's have a conversation about building 7, you disingenuous fag.

Niacin Added to Flour in U.S. – March 11, 1941

Pearl Harbor Attack – December 7, 1941

Russia violates treaties to invade germany under false pretenses of "death camps" – January 3, 1941

U.S. Enters World War II – December 8, 1941

D-Day / Normandy Landings – June 6, 1944

Fluoride First Added to Public Drinking Water (Grand Rapids, MI) – January 25, 1945

Atomic Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki – August 6 & 9, 1945

World War II Ends – September 2, 1945

Cold War Begins – 1947

Korean War Begins – June 25, 1950

Brown v. Board of Education Decision – May 17, 1954

Male genital mutilation forced into medical bodies - June 1, 1960

Vietnam War Escalation – 1964

Assassination of John F. Kennedy – November 22, 1963

Civil Rights Act Passed – July 2, 1964

USS Liberty Incident – June 8, 1967

Moon Landing faked – July 20, 1969

Watergate Scandal Begins – 1972

U.S. Withdraws from Vietnam – 1973

Iran Hostage Crisis Begins – November 4, 1979

Fall of Berlin Wall / Cold War Ends – November 9, 1989

Oklahoma City Bombing – April 19, 1995

Demolition of damaged towers from February 26, 1993 (FBI crime lab was reproducing an explosive) – September 11, 2001

Invasion of Afghanistan – October 7, 2001

Invasion of Iraq – March 20, 2003

Hurricane Katrina – August 29, 2005

2008 Financial Crisis Begins – September 2008

Complete destruction of american media and journalism – November 4, 2008

U.S. democratically voted to be removed from Afghanistan – August 30, 2021

BCI trauma based simulation program weaponizing "mental illness" the CIA is currently running at full steam.

I prefer MK-Ultra, live. They figured out how to turn all the weak minds into mentally ill mush. Pharmaceutical companies can medicate the intentionally inflicted trauma, social control is advancing at pace. Money is being made... Covid showed who bynand where there would be pushback. Those who are resistant to the programming the "truthers" of yesterday are the "anti-vaxxers" of today. Those in need of re-education for insisting on trying to get a glimpse behind the curtain

I think that's very likely. Hear about that one flight that was allegedly relocated to a military base which is what apparently happened to (i think) 97. I know the debris field lacked plane parts just like the pentagon and there was a cell phone image sent to someone which pinged at the airfield base.

dont forget cointelrpo, dirty elictricity (aka alpha wwve programming) and v2k

Asymmetric damage does not cause symmetric freefall

You stupid fucking spook