Why do people choose to be vegan? They're profoundly unhealthy and nutrient deficient

Their moral framework treats animals and humans to be equivalent. Hence, eating meat to them is no different from cannibalism. And yes, many of them are nutrient deficient. It is possible to eat healthy while vegan, but it requires proper planning instead of just eating whatever. You need the right replacements for meat, eggs, and dairy in the right quantities, and not just foods made to taste like them.

Until they start wailing like my dog when I kick him, I'm not convinced

It's not possible to eat healthy while vegan, all you can do is minimize the damage.

Some people leave the non-vegan death cult because it's better to not be in it

I’m lowkey okay with ecofascism.

imagine trusting big food for your nutrition advice

Kek!

There's a handful of them who have minimized the damage enough to lead a relatively healthy life. Many are emaciated though. It may be that some people's bodies need less of certain vitamins and minerals than others though, so them being healthy while pretty much just be a genetic accident.

by that logic olives belong to olive trees and no bird and no human should be allowed to eat em, same goes to their precious avocados

So... the argument they make here is that even if plants are sentient, the method of reducing harm the most is to eat plants instead of animals. Because all the animals we eat, themselves eat more plants than we'd need to get the same amount of calories as the animal products we consume.

Basically, if it takes 10 olives fed to chickens to make an egg and we can get the same nutrients for ourselves out of 5 olives, we should eat olives instead of eggs.

These are, by the way, not my own arguments. I'm dating a vegan but could never be one myself.

Unless your eggs are coming from your own back yard chickens, there's a ton of immorality to eating eggs.

modern birds have been selectively bred to increase their egg laying production from just a few eggs each month to nearly an egg a day. This causes immense stress on the birds leading to prolapses and nutrient (e.g. calcium) deficiencies in the birds - farmers supplement chickens with oyster shells to keep them from eating their own eggs for calcium

there are two main types of chickens raised for human consumption: broilers (for meat) and layers (for eggs). In order to produce more eggs, more chickens need to be bred. Upon hatching, male layer chicks are immediately sorted and killed via gassing, suffocation, maceration, etc. as they produce no eggs.

factory farms are split into "pasture", "free-range", "cage-free", and "battery caged" categories. Pasture is close to the idyllic farm setting but is a small portion of the eggs at a grocery store and they are the most expensive to produce. Free-range means the chickens are kept in a large building with a tiny hole cut in the side which leads to a tiny fenced in area that the birds hypothetically could see sunlight - no honest person would consider that humane or the definition of "free-range." "Cage-free" means the chickens are kept in the same building without a hole. Battery cages are so small that many birds cannot move around.

The goal of factory farming is to produce the most eggs for the least amount of cost. In addition to horrifyingly inhumane conditions in most farms, it is known that chickens will slow down egg production at a certain age. At that point, there is no usefulness to the birds so they are slaughtered. However, it is also known that chickens will increase their laying production when starving similar to how a lot of plants flower one last time before dying to attempt to reproduce one last time. Factory farmers therefore put the end of production birds on a starvation diet.

but olive trees dont suffer from having their fruits being eaten, they actually need animals to eat their fruits in order to plant their seed
and chicken arent harmed in any way by laying eggs
and lets not even get into what animals in nature do because by their logic they should erradicate all predator animals from the face off the earth to "stop suffering" wich would bring even more suffering by destabilizing the ecosystem and let certain species start reproducemaxxing

And yes, many of them are nutrient deficient.

Other than B12 which is created from a bacteria in the soil, there is no nutrient inherent to meat, eggs, or dairy that cannot be found in plant based foods. The B12 argument is also disingenuous as modern farming, produce cleaning practices and water filtration removes essentially all B12 from plant based whole foods. But meat has B12 in it you might say. That is true of wild animals and pasture raised ones but most people eat factory farmed animal products. Factory farmed animals suffer from the same food and water cleanliness issue leading to their own deficiencies in B12. So what do farmers do? They give their animals B12 supplements! So you could either take a cheap B12 supplement yourself to maximize the value or you could eat a bunch of meat to get a minor amount of B12 that the animal itself consumed. The issue with the latter is diminishing returns resulting in most people on the planet being deficient in B12, except for people who supplement.

olive trees dont suffer from having their fruits being eaten

chicken arent harmed in any way by laying eggs

How anthropocentric of you!

yeah i know all mass factory agriculture is prob a hellish landscape for the animals trapped inside thats why i wanna get my own chickens once i get some land
but virtually anything you have is stressfull for animals, the highways, cars, your sky scraper appartment, your avocado plantation or onions or oats field erradicates everything that eats it to not go bankrupt, not to mention the meme wind mills that chop birds to pieces

I was vegan for a long time. Only because i never ate meat before. Its actually that people dont eat it enough, not that people eat too much of it. A lot of people start to grow up with no meat at all, so they get disgusted at the thought of eating it, because they arent used to it. This also gets multiplied by poor quality meat. So even if you self reflect and try it out you likely run into the issue of not knowing how to buy good quality meat and having a terrible experience.

So, you are right that B12 is in theory the only nutrient that a vegan diet should need through supplementation. But my own nuance here is that many are emaciated due to poor planning. Meat has a lot of nutrients other than just B12. So much so, that you can afford to be careless in a way. Not so much with a vegan diet. So while you *can* be healthy while vegan, you are less likely to. Many end up quitting the diet because they just don't know what the fuck they need to be eating to adequately replace meat, eggs, and dairy.

It's a childish sense of self importance and a refusal to accept the unpleasant facts of life. Another manifestation of "I can change the world" syndrome. "If I don't eat a cheeseburger I'll bring down the meat industry and save all the animals". Meanwhile in reality for every 1 vegan there's 1 million meat eaters so the meat will be there on the shelves anyway. What they don't consider is that the meat industry is the greatest preserver of wildlife in history because if there was no meat on the shelves wildlife would hunted to extinction. Veganism played out to its logical conclusion would rid the world of Animals altogether.

i think the lack of purpose as a consequence of the industrial revolution like uncle ted talked about plays a big part on their heads, i dont think theres any vegans in 3rd world countries, its always well off, more often than not childless people creating problems for themselves because their lives are too easy and meaningless

Vegetarians are less than 10% of the world population. Vegans make up less than 1%.

How many of the 90-99% of the world's population do you think follow a healthy/ideal diet?

What percentage of vegans do you think are unhealthy as compared to non-vegans as a whole?

I would also argue that most people do not give up on a vegan/plant based diet due to malnutrition or difficulty in meal planning but instead due to peer pressure. Even when you go out of your way to not bring up your dietary choices, any time you eat with other people it will inevitably come up and you will have to explain and/or defend yourself constantly. Most people can't cope with that.

t. vegetarian since 20 (17 years) and vegan since 27 (10 years)

Even better, why do these retards try to make their vegan slop look like meat? I want to sucker punch every fucking vegan who does this.

Vegans are healthier. You are conflating dumb hippie mentally ill women with eating disorders with a plant based diet.

Bullshit, every single one of you fucks looks like you're wasting away. Your skin tone looks elastic and lifeless.

they grew up with lord of the rings and liked the elves and animals

leave Tolkien out of this shit I farm beef and love LOTR

there are healthy plant proteins found in the rinds of creatures in the melon family such as watermelons

Vegans are healthier.

healthier than who? the classic amerifat eating mcdonalds everyday or natural body builders?
just for "being vegan", even if they eat goyslop shit like beyond meat?

We're not. We're fine. Veganism is fine for everyone to do but there are some people who don't know some basic things like "take a b12 supplement", "make sure to get enough calcium" and things like that.

You do need to be careful on a vegan diet. Unlike on a "vegetarian" diet. If you're on a vegan diet you need to take a little care in planning out your meals.

Anyway, if you dislike veganism, vegetarianism (including eggs and dairy) is universally hailed by all as an extremely healthy diet in which its easy, indeed no trouble at all, to get any nutrients you need. And in adopting such a diet you'll cause far fewer animals to suffer or die.

likes meat

claims to be torn

Eh? Polanbro, you're in the same spot as most humans eating meat.

befriend animal

don't eat it

Most people who go vegan/plant based are not raised that way since birth so it is a conscious decision for them at some point.

Those same people therefore have ate meat, eggs, and dairy growing up until they make the switch so they have become accustomed to dishes that incorporate those animal products.

when making the transition from animal products to plant products, plant based foods that mimic the taste and/or appearance of those animal products make the switch much more effortless. You can also still eat your favorite dishes with minimal changes.

As I mentioned here , eating with non-vegans is the most difficult part of being vegan. If you can have a plant based burger with plant based cheese, you can now stand out less at a cookout and not have to defend your choice in between bites of food.

No we don't. You want this to be true for an agenda.

where does that b12 shit come from anyways? does the pharma jew have to kill animals to extract it?
isnt that proof that humans have to eat animal fat and proteins if you need jew pharma to survive without animals?

Vegan b12 does not come from animals. No. Otherwise it wouldn't be vegan.

Pharma jew

You demonize medicine on the right to help big big pharma, which profits off of an unhealthy public. And you use jews as ethnic scapegoats to blame for your own crimes as rich capitalists.

Would you eat pic related?

Stop making your food look like meat, you fucking fags. Either eat meat or shut up. We don't want your gay impossible burgers being advertised right next to actual burger meat. It's fucking annoying and I hate you fags so much it's unreal.

Vitamin B12, also known as cobalamin, is a water-soluble vitamin produced by microorganisms, primarily bacteria and archaea. It cannot be synthesized by plants or animals but is instead produced by certain microbes that live in the soil, water, and the digestive systems of animals.

Process of B12 Production:

Bacterial Synthesis: The primary production of vitamin B12 occurs in certain bacteria and archaea, both of which are capable of synthesizing the complex structure of the vitamin. These microorganisms use various enzymes to create B12 from simpler compounds, such as cobalt, which is a critical part of the vitamin’s structure.

Bacteria in Soil and Water: In nature, these bacteria are found in soil and water, where they produce vitamin B12. Plants do not produce B12, but they can absorb trace amounts of it from contaminated soil or from bacteria present in the environment.

Animal Digestion and Absorption: Herbivorous animals, such as cows, sheep, and deer, obtain vitamin B12 by consuming plants and other food sources that are contaminated with B12-producing bacteria. These bacteria are found in the animals’ digestive systems, where they continue to synthesize the vitamin.

Humans and B12: Humans typically obtain B12 by consuming animal products such as meat, dairy, and eggs, as these foods come from animals that have absorbed B12 through their diet or the bacteria in their digestive systems. Alternatively, some plant-based foods are fortified with synthetic B12 produced through bacterial fermentation in industrial settings.

Industrial Production of B12:
In modern times, most of the vitamin B12 used in supplements and fortified foods is produced through fermentation processes involving bacteria. The production process typically follows these steps:
Bacterial Fermentation: Specific strains of bacteria (often Propionibacterium shermanii or Streptomyces griseus) are cultured in a controlled environment. These bacteria ferment substrates such as sugars or carbohydrates, producing vitamin B12 as a byproduct.
Harvesting and Purification: Once the bacteria have synthesized enough B12, the vitamin is extracted and purified. This purified B12 is then used in supplements or added to foods.

All vegans should be thrown into a camp and forced to eat meat. Fucking fags.

Do you not understand how food chains work? The animals you eat need to eat plants, so you're still eating plants indirectly. Even if you were right, the choice is between eating JUST plants, and causing BOTH plants AND animals to get eaten.

Sounds like you have a litany of anger and aggression issues. Same for most people who try turn meat eating into a virtue. AKA rightwingers.

I hope Bill Gates injected your fake meat with AIDS.

A headless pig? I'd try it, why not?

maybe not all of them look weird, but it is a proven fact that there are no winning vegan athletes, the gamechangers documentary lied when they claimed nate diaz didnt eat meat
the fatso weightlifter was a fucking fatso and i dont think he has ever outlifted brian shaw or eddie hall
clarence kennedy went vegan and he looks like fucking shit now, he's gotten smaller and his face looks fat
lastly vegan gainz apart from going progressively more insane became a fatso along with his vegan wife and he couldnt squat jackshit

People are obsessed with being "nice" and have made docility a virtue and they feel guilt about existing and fear death terribly so much so they don't want to kill anything. It's stupid. They need to learn astral projection. Death is not a big deal even for humans, nevermind for animals and plants. Pseudospirituality is all mixed up with this vegan bullshit too, if you want to know right away if someone is confused or a fake in spiritual circles you can tell by their attitude towards death and war, and that includes veganism. Julius Evola (walked around during bombing raids) was an example of a man who was actually spiritual.

A simple fact of life everyone needs to learn is it's not how long one lives, it's quality of life. A good life doesn't have to be a long life. People should stay healthy, be well, etc. but not be afraid of a quick death. With animals just make sure to buy the animal meat from animals that had a decent life such as grass fed beef. The factory farmed bleached shit is fucking disgusting and makes me sick anyways, I can't eat costco chicken anymore after getting sick like 5 times eating their shit. At first I thought it was because the chicken was too old like it sat in the fridge but after buying and eating a chicken on the same day and getting sick and tasting that spongy bleach meat taste I am fucking DONE with costco chickens they are the cheapest chickens and they are fucked. Got to get quality meat and that means meat that isn't factory farmed shit.

Do you think she is self conscious about her nose or has she normalised it somehow? She looks very smug, but it must get in the way all the time. At least it can support her glasses.

Why are jews pushing veganism so much I wonder?

You love Bill Gates. You're rightwingers. He is your best buddy. And your literal only opposition to lab grown meat is because it will reduce suffering on this planet.

at first it was just because these niggers were price gouging so i really reduced the meat, and now its just because everything is working better...also restaurants got so bad its not worth going anywhere

hurrr you're rightwingers

No, I am not part of the kosher right.

Moralistic bleeding hearts tend to be neither logicaply nor morally coherent.
The former is to be expected but the latter is no less true.

Yeah you're not anything special or different than anyone else even though you all try to pretend youre unique special snowflakes.

Why do people choose to be vegan?

Severe mental problems.
Vegan was originally a form of fasting.
It was never meant to be the way you eat every day.

Yeah you're not anything special or different than anyone else even though you all try to pretend youre unique special snowflakes.

PS by "anyone else" I mean "any other republican".

Your ancestors ate meat. Does that make you cry?

Its sad how you all get hostile to veganism. It's not just "do what you want, but it's not for me". You have to try to smear it. And tell lies about it. And actively campaign telling people not to be vegan. And IMO that is because so many of you genuinely feel a sense of power over having innocent animals locked up on these farms and knowing that they are a conscious living entity thats beneath you.

Fuck Rebublicucks and Democraps, you're both ballwashers for jews.

No anon it doesn't. I do think its technically unfortunate it had to be that way.

Like I said I know you all try to say edgy things like this and pretend you're special snowflakes, but there is no difference between any of you and the rest of the republican party, which also funds you and feeds you all of your talking points

And why did it have to be that way? Couldn't they have just gorged on plants?

Like I said I know you all try to say edgy things like this and pretend you're special snowflakes, but there is no difference between any of you and the rest of the republican party, which also funds you and feeds you all of your talking points

PS "edgy" is the wrong word. "Pseudopopulist" is the right term. A neologism I'm making up and using more often from this moment out.

you buy his fake satanic metastasized cancerous meat, but is us who love him ok

Pic related is me.

Vegetarian since 2008. Vegan since 2012. Not trying to be egotistical, but I obviously work out, and from that I know a lot about nutrition.

A proper vegan diet is the healthiest diet. Hence why I’m vegan.

There are a few things vegans should supplement.
-multivitamin because everyone should take it
-creatine 5-10g a day because everyone should take it
-sunflower lecithin 5g a day because everyone should take it for the choline
-omega 3 (can get vegan DHA and EPA) 1-4g a day because everyone should take it

I take like 15 other supplements but they’re all dumb shit you don’t really need like black garlic extract and P5P. I take these not because my diet is nutrient deficient… but because I want to get bigger lol

Other than that, slam protein from legumes. Pea protein powder is marginally healthier than whey (check the studies).

SOI is not estrogenic. It acts as a SERM. So it’s an estrogen “normalizer”, dependant on tissue selectivity and other complicated shit.

Red meat causes cancer via TMAO in the gut, possibly via carnitine. If you want carnitine, inject it.

I’m going to bed. Bye.

Do they feed all our talking points? I don't see much holocaust denial or anti-jew rhetoric from them. Can you point me out where the republicans who want Israel gassed into the ground and all their shabbos goy puppets hanged in the streets? I must have missed that part of the platform.

Yes its you who love him, promote his interests and protect him, as rightwing political actors, and not the people who buy things at stores. Yup. Same for Apple or any other synonymous comparison.

Yup. Every word of rhetoric you people have on this board was ultimately created in a billionaire-funded thinktank designed to help the republican party. You are zombies.

And you fags think being vegan makes you a special snowflake, and that the whole world should cater to you because you won't eat meat. You're just a step above trannies in the utterly fucking obnoxious and insufferable olympics. What's worse is you fags try to lecture the rest of us, and then wonder why we shit on you and your crap diet. Cope.

So show me a demonstration anon, asserting it is no good because as far as we can tell, you're a moron from what you posted. Please provide proof

either because they are poor (hindus, muslim countries)
or because they have white guilt and uncontrolled feelings (modern day white vegans (she, hm , they)

I don't avoid meat because I think it makes me special. I avoid meat because I feel empathy towards the suffering of the animals. And I'm also not aware of any ways in which I am inconveniencing others or asking them to "cater to me". Also I don't have anything against anyone who is gay or transsexual.

I tried it’s for a few months because I am a huge animal lover but I couldn’t keep up my gains so now I eat birds and fish which I feel horrible about but I need my gains. It really is about not wanting to harm animals tho at least in my case it was.

man no wonder u fell for the vegan meme if you still believe the kike false dichotomy of left vs right
how am i promoting his interests by not buying his shit goyslop made of jews and aids?

I did already prove it in a comment above with an infograph full of truthful and relevant information.

And the vegan diet is pushed by jews because they want you fags to be weak so you die earlier.

This is Orwellian newspeak you're trying to use right here. When you say "theres no such thing as left or right". Thats orwellian newspeak straight out of 1984 where you try to write political words out of the english language in order to dumb the public down and prevent them from talking about politics. It makes them easier to mindcontrol and enslave.

I'm sorry but our talking points classify those far right capitalists as satanic jews who want to destroy western civilization. I want specifically proof that our anti-jew anti-israel rhetoric was created in a republican funded think tank since that's what you asserted and have yet to prove it.

Not all animals suffer, you fag. You know grass fed beef is a thing, right?

Your politics on this board, as nazis, revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaire capitalists from socialism. And I definitely did prove to you above in an infograph plenty of things . You are ignoring the infograph cuz theres nothing you can say to discredit it.

Vegans have been around since ancient times (e.g. Pythagoras) so there is direct contradicting evidence to your unsubstantiated allegation

Protein powders are just as good as protein from animals.

People might meme “muh amino acid profile”, but you can balance out the amino acids by either having SOI protein powder, or pea with rice.

Theres no downside to eating a balanced vegan diet, and if you want more protein just having the powders

am i getting trolled or is the goyslop diet affecting your thinking?
bush vs ((kerry)) fake name real name cohen
right vs left
man gets tased for asking the simple question of wether cohen aka kerry belongs to the same secret society as bush
youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

Biullionaire capitalists are mostly jewish or jewish alligned and therefore opposed by our "talking points" Your inforgraphic mentions nothing about anti-Jewish rhetoric unless you're just blanket placing it under identity politics which would still not matter since it's an inherent anti-billionaire position and thus wouldn't be explained by your shitty infographic.

Do you have any actual proof or are you mostly just spamming rhetoric you haven't actually bothered to research in specific because it sounds good and works on facebook/reddit?

muh jewish scapegoats!

Fucking fag, look at this list. Read all the reasons they've been expelled. Child sacrifice is listed a lot. Why couldn't they leave the kids alone?

Every word of what you people write on this board is designed to help the republican party and there's nothing more for me to say on this matter above As I said "Your politics on this board, as nazis, revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaire capitalists from socialism." There's not much more for me to say to you people once you simply start repeating yourselves and ignoring the comments inconvenient to you.

You use jews as scapegoats to protect the wealthy from socialism. Now and in history as well.

nuhu i still belive in left vs right

nice counter argument faggot to my demolishing proof that your whole childish fake view of the world is fake and gay

Oh ok, so you don't actually have proof, and haven't actually researched any of what you're saying beyond like a facebook infogrpahic with no real information to back up any of your claims. You literally don't even understand the position you're arguing against much less realize we don't hold it.

You're genuinely just an idiot anon, a very obvious idiot.

You will always ignore what people will say to you because you are not a genuine person who genuinely believes your views. You are propagandists, paid in most cases, to promote the interests of the republican party and its beloved billionaire class.

They literally murdered kids, you fucking nonce. And they still do today.

Anon what I said to the other guy here goes for you too. You'll all just continue doubling down because truth is abhorrent to yourselves. You are republican party propagandists.

they eat grass, which needs to be trimmed down regularly to stay healthy.
fuck, i hate you ignorant city faggots.

Call me when you start naming the billionaire capitalists anon, then maybe your impotent ideology would be worth discussing.

"Your politics on this board, as nazis, revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaire capitalists from socialism. "

he has to be a troll at this point
nobody can be this retarded and have no arguments at all and just keep repeating a weak affirmation "republicans" like a fucking mantra all day

if you can't even see for yourself that jews are evil, then nothing else you say is trustworthy.

Because meat has been coded as patriarchal and environmentally destructive. Patriarchal, fine men used to hunt for meat but the environmental point is particularly funny to me.

There are many bots that will try to shoehorn our position into american right leaning politics and then argue against that. They rely on us taking the bait and defending American ZOG so we can argue in circles around the American system and get no where.

name them faggot, stop appealing to a spectral class of people and name who they are and where they live and what country they align with.

Whether you eat meat has nothing to do with gender. FFS. Part of your republican propaganda on this board is to try to turn everything into a culturewar based on identity. And this is how you're straining to do it in this case.

Part of your republican propaganda on this board is to try to turn everything into a culturewar based on identity

You republicans

Half the posters here cannot legally be republican.

I eat bird and fish and still have to drink protein powder to get enough you need a bare minimum of 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight to make good gains. I also need the creatine from the meat for brain health

just supplement it

I already do because I try to only eat a max of one chicken breast a day or one can of tuna to reduce the amount of suffering I cause. I’m sorry I can’t do it. I can’t just eat that many lentils. I get too full from them and then I’ll be in horrific nerve pain if I get too full. I tried I can’t do it I’m sorry please don’t try to guilt me anymore. I already fell horrible for the poor birbs. I buy free range chicken so I know that they have the best life possible before they end up on my plate.

you've won me over with your solid logic
what do i do now to help destroy the republican party? i think im voting for kamala next election

Youre flag is among things of the least possible relevance in this universe to me.

your*. whatever.

I take like 15 other supplements but they’re all dumb shit

100% of that are animal proteins and fat so you don't fucking die.
Vegans guard this like homosexuals and trannies guard the fact that they were abused as kids and that's why they're the way they are.

You fell for it again.
If you want to go after ANYONE who don't give animals a humane death; go after jews and mudslimes.
They slit their throats while they're still conscious and recite prayers to "cleanse" the meat.

They just want to feel morally superior. In reality, they don't give a shit about animals.

Cancer doctors tell their patients it cures or prevents cancer apparently
My grandma's 93 and been starving herself to death for a few years ever since she had some cancer removed

im a mentally ill roided fraud narcissist k thx bye

I can’t just eat that many lentils. I get too full from them and then I’ll be in horrific nerve pain if I get too full.

That's because you cant get enough protein from them without getting way too much carbs. Too much carbs gives you nerve pain... im guessing you know you have diabetes? That guy is a lying roidtranny BTW always ignore ripped vegans they are 100% all pathological liar narcissists

Same reason why people chop their dicks off and call themselves women, they've been propangandized into it