Invade Ukraine they said, It will be easy they said.
oof
And Just Like That, The United States Had the Largest Strategic Bomber Fleet In The World
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Lol, it took Ukraine and the CIA 1.5 years of planning to do what Russia does every other night with no planning
Russia blows up 25% of its own strategic bomber fleet every other night?
We didn't already?
4 planes is 25%?
Are u implying they had planes? i tought they used only shovels
Prior to today the Count was 140 Bombers USA, 160 Russia.
Shovels is all they have left now.
I thought the estimate going around was that it was about 10 planes destroyed, did we get more photos or something?
I like how the cope went from
we shot down all the drones
to
the drones barely did any damage
to
we only lost 4 planes
Like did Russian cocksuckers think Ukraine was going to release a video from every single drone? They sent over a 100 to multiple airfields.
Are "strategic bombers" not just obsolete cold war crap now anyway? Surely missile technology replaces them these days.
it was real in my mind
ok snake island thanks for you jewish propaganda update. Too the last slav!
memeflag
another coward coping lol
I am going to believe it was all the Russian bombers.
the snake island where Russians tried to use pictures of dead Russians and say there were Ukies only for them to forget to blur out a Russian navy belt buckle?
ruskis are coping very hard i see
Why not one video per airfield, instead of only footage from one airfield?
"Trust me bro" isn't proof.
Missiles are one and done. Most of the nuclear armaments of both Russia and USA is meant to be delivered by aircraft.
Retard
Are "strategic bombers" not just obsolete cold war crap now anyway?
russians use them to launch cruise missiles, destroying them means the russian salvo sizes are made smaller, they're less likely to individually make through now
attack 100 airfields at once
destroy maybe 4 planes
cold war era bombers at that
PEREMOGA
Real big, slow target for AA or fighters though. I just can't see a role for them now with shit like hypersonic missiles etc.
40 planes were destroyed
they're irreplaceable arcane lost technology from an empire long gone
ask for proof
post smoke
You shouldn't sign your posts, newfriend.
This
dumb nigger coping in the face of proof
many such cases
Cold war technology is more advance than what Russia is actually using today.
We already did. And the largest nuclear submarine fleet, largest carrier fleet, etc. We also have TACAMO, which no other country has.
I know that's what Ukraine is claiming, I'm curious about how many are actually destroyed. I heard that there's phot evidence of about 10, so I was curious if even more photos came out that I missed.
China has the largest bomber fleet simply becuase they could retool any number of manufacturing plants and start producing a 100 planes every months or less if they needed to.
4th dimensionally China wins, and it is not even close.
That is why the US retired the B1 program early and went (and is still going stealth). Its a shitty example but look at the Iranian missile blitz on Israel and the Israeli response. Iran shot 100's of missiles, not easily replaceable, and did minimal damage. Israel bomb the fuck of out of them, did massive damage to their air defense, and can run sorties every day if they had too. Missiles are important, but you run out of them real fast. They are a first strike/quick response capability but the bombers are the heavy lifters.
this thing that barely play a role in conflicts got destroyed will certainly change the outcome of the war
This the same shit with the constant attack on Russia navy previously
The Russian navy can as well not existed and it wouldn't help Ukraine on the front
Are they actually hoping to win this or just happy to be used by EU and US as a way to attack Russia strategic assets against nato? Because that is like 2 total different goals here
Maybe you should try some other nationality?
what are cruise missiles
retard
Did they put up drone nets around Diego Garcia yet?
Russia has lost multiple navy ships in a land war. Fucking kek. Ukraine doesn’t even have a navy and they are sinking Russian ships in the middle of the Black Sea. That’s how useless Russia is.
Yeah but any country with reasonable air defences are going to shoot heavy bombers down pretty easily. Smaller fighter type bombers definitely still have a role. I'm talking about these big slow glorified cargo planes in particular.
Who would win:
6,000,000 temu planes
1 b2 stealth bomber
The implications of this attack, going forward, are massive. Think about, any country could be pearl harbored from inside its own borders. The storage of expensive military hardware is about to change.
I don't disagree, but it does not change the fact that when it comes to the Nuclear doctrine of both the USA and Russia, the majority of the warheads are slated to arrive by aircraft.
Imagine an aircraft carrier in port. A fiber optic drone could enter areas in the hull.
What does that have to do with my question about how many planes got destroyed?
Imagine a container ship sailing into a port and releasing 10k drones, powered by AI. It's coming.
These planes gonna be 100 years old soon.
Iran shot 100's of missiles, not easily replaceable,
This is nonsense talk.
Everything you said about missiles also applies to planes, and Because bombers also need to carry bombs, and like missiles you run out of them fast.
kyivpost.com
From what I'm seeing, they claim they "hit" 40 (or 41) planes. So best case scenario 40ish planes destroyed, but yeah probably like 10. Well with Russian maintenance factored in, maybe 20 or 30 lol. Who knows
Yeah I'm aware. I'm still surprised that hasn't changed though. With the advances in AA alone you would have to think that the predicted success rate of those deliveries has to be in the shitter.
They still have some uses. They're a good way to deliver a fuck ton of ordinance a lot cheaper than a missile if you have air superiority.
Could I get a qrd on this drone strike?
And with shovels they will fight and die.
By the order of the state!
7 hits were on video.
So 7 planesnfor sure.
Thought they were just lobbing bombs with their SUs now since they are faster, safer, cheaper, and more effective
ukraine is run by a jew, you think they're telling the truth when they claim 41 planes got blown up?! They were also gloating about making "serious" gains yesterday lol
why did their parked planes have tires on the wings?
Nobody cares about tofu-dreg chink shit Zhang.
Ukrainians embedded drones into the roof of shipping containers and smuggled them into Russia
Then they contracted some Russian civilian truckers to unwittingly deliver those containers to addresses near 5 major airfields deep into Russia
The containers roofs then popped off, and the drones took off and killed some strategic bombers, then the containers self destructed
The 5th container caught fire before it reached its target airfield, so 4/5 attacked their targets.
The drones looked manually controlled by a human, so likely there was a satcom terminal embedded into the container acting as a relay.
There isn't a full assessment of how many aircraft have damage/killed, but theres enough damage on video right now to call it a success. Every one of those strat bombers is irreplaceable, and I doubt they'll catch any Ukrainian agents involved in the attack given the proxies used and the relays.
This is at least the second time Ukraine's used Russian truckers like this, first time was a bomb on the Kerch bridge.
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I thought the drones were AI controlled? The targets would all be in fixed locations so you would think you could pre-load coordinates.
Drones and mines have been anally raping everyones' cold junk, so I don't think that's true.
When you see x ≥ 4, do you think this means x = 4?
nah the way they took off the container in the cellphone footage really seemed human controlled and operator count limited (likely to stop leaks)
Had
Goddamned ESL
Thanks for the detailed run down
Bruh... chinx can barely produce 1 or two shoddy commercial jets per year lmaooo
The Ukraine War regardless of how it ends has revolutionized warfare
This is like when in WW2 air forces changed all naval and armored doctrines with big guns ships still under construction getting converted into aircraft carriers and super massive armored tanks phasing out for smaller lighter armored veichles.
Ukrainian and russian garage built drones had same effect, billions were moved away from other projects into R&D of more advanced anti drone measures and modern tanks are completly obsolete no matter the side deplpying them
too bad all the fighter jets "fell off" the carriers so bombers will be easy pickins
nah tanks aren't obsolete, they'll have to change but "well protected offroad vehicle with a big gun" will never die
its not a battleship-carrier situation, moreso an invention of the torpedo situation
I still don't get how people think this is even notable. Land based anti ship weapons managed to sink ships. Do you think modern ships are supposed to trade cannon salvos or something?
they are mostly for air launching cruise/hypersonic missiles...
Current generation of MBT both nato and red are nothing more than steel coffins
They need massive arsenal update so that a $25 drone can't have a 99% kill rate on them
Ships are going to hide 200km from the target and shoot missiles. This was the way naval surface warfare was going already.
Gay tranny thread.
Now that they are defenceless China can invade from the east and reduce their territory size.
India and Pakistan can take some Russian territory also, after they've finished picking it clean.
How is Russia going to respond?
another cuckening of runiggers xD hohols actually managed to do something after kursk offensive xD
how will cucktin respond? xD
Yeah and carrier battlegroups usually have a dozen of destroyers and cruisers around them with the only purpose to spray has much lead as possible to any missiles coming both from air and land
Picking on single ships is way easier
I believe putin is a traitor and he works for us to destroy slavs. He ordered to bring all strategic bombers to the airfield 2 weeks before that happened but Ukrainians claimed they prepared for that for 18 months. Coincidence?
He will shoot ballistic missiles at civilians, that will show them.
a good amount of why shits so successful is neither Ukraine nor Russia are really capable of disrupting the logistics chain that allows those short range drones to the front in the first place
its the same as with artillery shells; destroy the factories, destroy the transports, destroy the logistics hubs, and those drones never make it to the front
if anything what they've replaced are mortars, to a degree
its why playing whack a mole with the Houthis has limited effects, we'd need to start sinking the transports from Iran or hitting the factories making the munitions in Iran to really stop them militarily; fuck all is being built in Yemen.
proxy wars are fun like that
4 planes
Holy shit, I hate Ukraine, but the total bullshit spewed by all you Zigger Ivans is hilarious.
it’s not an invasion, it’s a military exercise along Ukraine’s border
actaully, it’s a defensive posture because Ukraine is threatening us
heheh, it’s not an invasion, it’s a small military operation meant to deter Ukraine from aggressive behavior
we’re going to take Kiev in three days
we’re going to take Kiev by the end of the week
TWO MORE WEEKS
we’ll have a surrender from Ukraine within the next month
we’ll gain all Ukrainian territory by the end of the year
*100,000 dead troops and thousands of Soviet era motor vehicles later*
the Ukrainians didn’t blow up a quarter of our bombers, it was only 4!
kek. did that dago-wop troon keep his tits?
I unironically think Israel going full muslim genocide in Palestine is to try baiting Iran in attacking them
If they bite the bait US has excuse to to go war against Iran, if they don't bite Palestine and Gaza are erased from all maps regardless, it's entire native population dead or refugee in egypt so Israel wins anyways
But being the agressor and attacking first would get china an excuse to get in the game too + lots of protests for trump starting a war
and just like that another thread was made. ready to make another?
So... do we get an ethnostate now?
they already attacked Israel
how many are actually destroyed
No way to know.
And probably won't know, for months or perhaps years unless we get U.S. intel verification and Russia disclosure
No, Ukraine did not 'destroy' 40 airframes.
I'm thinking about 5 at the maximum were write-offs.
What we need rn is a rundown on the individual aircraft types and units that were "hit" or 'destroyed'
Israel being attacked is not a legitimate reason for the US to join a war. They aren't our allies, they are enemies who bribe politicians in our country.
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I don't speak ruskie john from ohio oblast.
warm water ports, texas independence, wouldn't a civil war be cool, etc etc
its a russian specific word, no direct translation; closest equivalent would be viewing nigger-rigging something as a good and smart thing to do
oy vey think about the 4- i mean 40 p- i mean 4.000.000 planes!
Russia was always trying to one-up the US during the Cold War. If the US built a nuclear sub with an 18000 ton displacement, the Russians designed one with a 24000 ton displacement. That's why they one-upped themselves into the poor house.
USA always had the biggest strategic bomber since WW2 and got considerable expanded in the cold war, NAFO shill
Built in 55 flying to 2040 what a beast
Imagine dropping all of this on a city from 50k ft
11-15 According to US intelligence, according to posters in other threads, so Russias air fleet is still larger if true, but only barely
it's not going to happen because no one is going to piss someone off enough to do this
it's just pure slav hatred fueling this
muzzies don't have the tenacity to do anything other than force women and children to suicide bomb
chinks are too busy making a fuckload of money
etc
ziggers will now have to clear their throat before speaking to us MANLY NATIONS.
how the fuck didnt it disintegrate, even a graze should of destroyed it.
The Snake Island where the Ukrainian garrison who fought to the death were actually alive and seething over Zelensky declaring them dead.
Good thing China owns all that land next to military bases. Not sure if they still own land next to Minot but don't worry they would never ever plant drones all over their property. What we really need now is tens of millions of completely unvetted illegals just like Biden gave us while the judges stonewall their removal. I'm sure no aggrieved brownoid would ever take chnkbux to make a delivery to uncle sam from ali baba. No sir.
Lets have the FBI focus on how it was her turn so they can get rid of mister meanie pants until this all blows over without incident.
Signed,
Peking Milley.
Cancels your nuclear superpower status. Nothing personal.
The best part is the drones didn't even do shit to them. It was a rogue cigarette butt from a Russian soldier that ignited the planes, causing moderate burn damages to them. The ukies literally just took some photos and claimed credit for 'destroying' 4 gorillion bombers.
But even that little attempt at a PR victory will backfire, since by trying to make it seem like a bigger escalation, they've just given Russia the excuse she needed to start seriously bombing the fuck out of Ukraine.
Very impressive feat for a country that had it's armed forces destroyed in first two days of the SMO. Hohols are war gods.
you need to lay off the cope bud
also, it's 10, visually confirmed, at two bases
they struck three other bases
So a massive operation with dozens of people that lasted 1/2 year got 7 planes? damnn major fuck up for fsb but damn i can't wait to see the fireworks of retaliation, expecting to see oreshnik.
oh boy we have the largest obsolete aircraft stockpile?
why do they put the tires on the wings?
they struck three other bases
So what's the total ammount of russian losses?
actually, just looked for an update and it now stands at 14
without fancy satellite images
x.com
russia believe that they trick image matching algorithms from satellite or drones
it only works like 2% of the time probably best case
Russia hasn't been an actual superpower for a long time
I don't know why everyone keeps treating them like one
more than a dozen or several dozen who knows
you can go buy the satellite images for some autists, they cost money
russia believe that they trick image matching algorithms from satellite or drones
is there some reading on this somewhere?
drones are so OP...effective against everything, troops, planes. wtf.
also, why park so many planes outside without any defense against drones. weird. stupidity?
also tanks get btfo by drones.
the future of warfare happening before our very eyes. little quadcopters flying fast and blowing shit up. cheaper and better than missiles.
there's yearly private fundraisers for the Russian Air and Space Forces to buy them forklifts
hope this answers your question
It was also entirely morally justified to destroy the aircraft of the hostile invading force, preventing them from being used to carry out further attacks and destruction. This is a complete strategic and propaganda defeat for Russia.
By the way attack happened during jewish holiday.
Really makes you think.
Russia destroys strategic nuclear bomber fleets every night
Ukraine destroyed 5 bombers in Siberia?! WOW WOW WOW WOW it's over for Russia. They should just surrender now.
Retard, they used cheap plastic drone. With thag they blew up vehicles worth hundreds od millions of dollars.
14 and climbing
why even cope
Built in 55
the H models still in service were built after 1960.
You overdid it with the smoking incident but otherwise it would've been believable bait
Why are people saying Russia can't replace them? Seems like cope. They make hypersonic missles. A plane shouldn't be too hard.
When you show capabilities to the enemy, now he looks for those dangers too.
Not only they burned money to create drones but assets, meaning people that were involved in these operations.
The ways they orchestrated this, how did they transport, how did they assemble this drones and how did they get this parts, how did they register the trucks, company, got the factory where to assemble; all of this would be investigated so in the future it's going to be much more harder to do this, not only that but the way the war is going you think it will be easier or harder for them to find assets in russia?
Don't forget that maybe this will divert a major attention from russian authorities to invest more in the protection of remote military installations due to ukraine showing capabilities of this kind.
Essentially what i'm saying is that it's like kursk at the beginning, major fuck and big short term propaganda for zelesnky, but you need to look on a longer timeframe what does this acomplish? How does the sentiment change in russian population? how do soldiers start feeling about this? and we still haven't seen the retalliation attack from russian side, how much damage will that make in dollars and military capability for ukr?
If you destroy your enemies planes you lose
Russians have spent almost 10 years at this point producing a replacement for the AN-2 biplane: a civilian airplane from 1947. The used an American engine in the end, with worse construction, and most of the replacements were made in Poland. This is confirmed on Russian state TV itself with Solovyov having a melty over it.
I'm not saying that, did you even read what i said? if this would be consistent partisan capability, it is a different kind of talk but this is not the case.
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4, not 13, no 40, no their entire fleet
also love how k/opers pretend this stuff is gone forever, like nothing is salvageable or repairable
the aircraft are likely not repairable when you aim for the fuel tanks and wing roots
which is exactly what Ukraine did
cope about it, kike
Nuclear superpowers lose strategic air assets on the ground all the time!
It's normal!
They have no modern model in production. The existing units were made in the Soviet era with many components from Ukraine. Even producing spare parts for the ones they have is expensive.
You are a retarded faggot paid to come here and lie. They just made a commercial airline 100% from russian made parts.
Also pretending wings cant be replaced is very fucking stupid.
They just made a commercial airline 100% from russian made parts.
still under development
the shitskin thread even has a blogger who confirms it's still under development
very interesting, thanks
been under development since before 2019
reddit, the post
That's simply not true. Ask the Ukrainians, who have experience both with soviet and western gear, and they'll tell you that wester weapon systems are fare more survivable especially in regards to the crew.
Russian tanks, for example, are fundamentally flawed since they rely on a carousel loader that puts all the ammunition with the crew. Western tanks tend to have blow out panels that separates the ammunition from the crew and directs the explosion outwards. Hence why the T series tanks are winning the turret toss competitions by a mile (literally).
Moreover Russians can't produce reliable airburst ammuniton for their 30mm guns, unlike in the west, making it incredibly difficult to fight off drones and rely on missiles instead. Even the new models of the Pantsirs got rid of their 30mm all together. The Russian 30mm 'airburst' ammunition is still 'in development'.
So you choose to be a lying faggot .
Thats of picture of it flying. You even have you nafo troon fake news links all ready to go
simpleflying.com
The Russifying Continues: The MC-21 Flies With Russian Composite Wings For The First Time
Even producing spare parts for the ones they have is expensive.
It would seem the demand for parts has decreased.
there's a picture of it fly-AAAACCCCKKKK
wow, composite wings
let's take a look at the engine that flew
en.wikipedia.org
Also that flight was dec 21, 2021
You lying piece of shit shill
Nigger, Russians are smuggling in boeing tyres. This is like that chink airliner that ended up being 90% imported parts from the west.
It isn't even Russian most of the time. I'm sure they're pissed. It's just cucks who do it for free.
They live in a superpositions
this is literally a nothing burger
this justifies nuclear retaliation
Oh so now all of a sudden you know about it? And you just keep lying.
Both the homegrown composite wing and engines have been already produced, with tests of the systems still ongoing. An MC-21 fitted with Russian-made PD-14 engines made its maiden flight last December, and the engines were approved for mass production in February this year. Russia’s trade and industry minister, Denis Manturov, praised the PD-14 as a sign of the “maturity” of Russian science and the “high level” of development of the country’s aviation industry.
you're a retard that thinks you can simply "replace the wings" when you aim for the wing root where where the wing is attached to the fuselage, and the fuel tanks.
that's the maximum damage point, they're fucked beyond repair.
Like some pathetic lying faggot like you knows exactly where the drones struck
Not to mention they're made out of aluminum. Melting point of 660C, you can't repair that, the entire airframe is fucked beyond any repairs.
it's on video niggy
that's enough cope from you
The one plane yes, looks like.
The second was hit in the middle of the wing. So they blew up one plane. Big woop
Russia will spend $150bn on it's military this year
7% of it's GDP
The whole military aviation spending is $7bn
Ukraine claims $2bn was wiped out
Now, this may be a shock but I don't think les than 5% of spending is really going to be that much of an issue even taking into account any upheaval and having to move monies around the military budget. i also don't even think the Ukraine will claim this is going to do much in the war, it's simply a pointer that they could carry it out, a bit like their Kursk endeavour that ultimately resulted in nothing - which they of course did another one off thing at the same time as these drones hit the bases. Seems it is just there for the upcoming talks today. Does anyone really think it will do anything, make Russia suspend any attacks?
You are a retarded pancho. Off yourself
These aircraft are irreplacable, they were built during the USSR, the production line doesn't exist anymore.
Stop making fun of Russia, or they will bomb the shit out of you!
Oh, wait...
this is not going to make a difference
it will, they only had 27 operational Tu-95m
if it's what they claim, with the same ratio on the other three bases, that's basically the operational fleet gone
even if not, every single one lost increases wear and tear on the others
it's like with russia having to cobble together martime radars to replace their AWACS versus wear and tear on the remaining, after ukraine baited several of them into patriot range
ukraine also mentioned an AWACS hit yesterday, too, might've been on the other bases
Call me a pigdog, I'm almost there
You Jews are trying to start WW3.
Russia ( and the rest of the world ) just wanted to be left alone.
I’m afraid we’re going to have to kill all of you now.
The B-52 is so kino
Also lol at the seeth from BRICS shitskin
"i-if it happened to Russia it means that it will also happen to the US!!!"
Stop comparing the most powerful military in the history of humanity to this shithole already
So attacking legit military objectives is a provocation but bombing an electric station or a hospital isn't.
How can people like you be so fucking retarded?
Of course, why would anyone be building 70 year old tech? Another 25 years and it's 100 year old tech. Are these really game changing military assets for Russia or simply relics that are kept on life support to do things that other things could do anyway? these planes don't even leave Russian airspace, the missiles travel hundreds if not thousands of miles.That is all these things are, a launch vehicle for advanced missiles. The "experts" seemed to be more interested that the AN50 was destroyed as that is useful for use with detecting missiles etc when flown with fighters.
Why are you so mad? you're not a cuckranian refugee, are you? you always can go back
What is wrong with such smekalka?
Sanctions BTFO!
The keyword here is "trying".
This is why despite the "could have" in having Nato intervene pre-emptively they never really do. Especially for destroying all their nuclear capabilities since if they cannot do that then that means no more WW3 threat. Satanic crazy pedophiles really, really want a world war instead of some economic collapse with in-fighting.
name their replacement
strategic bombers
in the age of smart air defense and ICBM's
lol. LMAO even
oy vey da 6 million planes goyim
lol. LMAO even
Lose 5 planes in Siberia
its....LE OVER
Then it pushes them to build replacements instead of trying to keep a soon 100 year old tech in the air. The question is how exactly does this effect attacking the Ukraine? Does the Ukraine really think that it was only attacked by a few planes launching advanced weapons? Does it think no planes can be used to launch such weapons or that the number can be reduced? Or is this whole thing really about telling the West, Trump etc (despite that NATO, the CIA, M16 etc was involved in planning it anyway) that "give us more weapons" and we can do things?
They hide their planes away from the Ukraine border to avoid them being blown up retard.
Of course, why would anyone be building 70 year old tech?
They are part of the Russian nuclear triad, much like the B-52's are in the US. Their age plays no role in their operational capabilities.
Are these really game changing military assets for Russia or simply relics that are kept on life support to do things that other things could do anyway?
They are actively used to launch cruise missiles into Ukraine and serve as a detterant.
these planes don't even leave Russian airspace, the missiles travel hundreds if not thousands of miles
Yes, that is how they are intended to be used, they can carry a large payload of missiles and launch them from high up in the air extending their range hence keeping their assets safe from enemy air defences. If the Russians had better delivery systems that can do the same thing they would not be keeping these aging airframes in service.
The "experts" seemed to be more interested that the AN50 was destroyed as that is useful for use with detecting missiles etc when flown with fighters.
Which 'experts'? Regardless its another aircraft they can't really replace but even worse yet they have very few of them so each loss is even more compounding.
Satanic crazy pedophiles really, really want a world war instead of some economic collapse with in-fighting.
Yeah, and the more people are brainwashed into wanting to fight for this the better, while all the mislead retards go and die the country is going to be ransacked with corruption and migrants and go into an economic collapse which then those with money will buy everything at a below market price.
Actually forcing Russia have to rebuild billion dollar aircraft is actually le bad
Kek you guys are so transparent.
Russia won't build them, they won't bother, they have other priorities in Ukraine. Losses like this last for a long time.
Naturally Russia will adapt, and Ukraine will hit somewhere else, but this cope and seethe is cope and seethe.
you have several sleeper cells in usa just waiting to do worse shit than this
you have several sleeper cells in usa
Russian diaspora can't help himself by threatening other nations and deflecting the fact that his own people helped Ukrainians fuck up the Russian military while he still cucks for them in Germany
Many such cases.
Are you suggesting that 100 year tech is a threat to anyone? Sure I suppose if it flies, if it's in Russian airspace safe from any attacks (not on the ground obviously) then it is a "threat" in that missiles are launched and they fly to a target hundreds or thousands of miles away. But really, it is like still using a CRT monitor and whilst it still works, you adapted it to work with the cables from your PC you really should be getting that cheaper to run, far better replacement and spending $150bn a year on the military it would be a good time for that upgrade to something that wasn't around when Stalin was still alive.
you should tell that to your political class, because 90% of them(probably all of them) have pledged their allegiance to Israel.
We already did, that changed nothing about said fact.
T. Someone who really doesn't care about this war.
i want to see kiev nuked.
not because i hate them or think they did anything wrong, but because unless russia wipes kiev off the map they dont deserve to be taken seriously ever again after this.
Tu-95 fly near the border and fire a salvo every single chimpout, yes
it's a cruise missile launch platform, and they launch a shitload of them from Tu-95, less so Tu-160 or Tu-22 (only a limited number of service of Tu-22)
Is it the best plane in the world?
youtube.com
I hear the ghost of queefviv will release the footage soon, trust the plan
this footage is as real as your belief that you are a woman. I am amazed that you tried to pass this off as war footage, almost as bad as the arma 3 stint in the beginning of the war. You people truly are pathetic, lazy and fucking stupid man holy shit.
The funny part about the Ohio vs Typhoon decable is that wasn't even the real reason it was so much heavier than an Ohio despite carrying less missiles, it was that 1. back then Russian subs used double hulls making them fatter and heavier and 2. Their navy, when they learned the USN Ohio Class could carry 24 SLBMs, which was unmatched by any of their subs, their engineers and designers were specifically tasked with designing a new class that could match this, but due to strain limits on the frame and the fact Russian made SLBMs were over 2x as heavy as a Trident II missile, they "barely" got by with a 20 missile design.
So, in that case, they really wanted to match or one up the design but technical and mechanical limitation prevented it despite it still being heavier due to the double hull.
Their bombers also sit out in the open, in case anyone has ideas...
We're not talking about monitors you pop down to the store to buy. Their Tu-160 production rate is measured in single digit aircraft over a period of years. They're already stretched thin financially hence why they keep canceling weapons programs. T-14, A-100, MiG Project 1.44, etc.
They're struggling with the simplest of things like 30mm programmable air-burst ammunition that are somehow still in 'development'. They literally removed the 30mm guns from the latest Pantsir models.
So in conclusion they are simply a launch aircraft. They are not sophisticated, any large aircraft can be adapted to carry large payloads of missiles and bombs. They simply need to carry the payload in the air and they press the button to fire the missiles and bombs to the target. Or you can adapt smaller aircraft to carry less of the payload, you simply need more of them. These planes were adapted to the modern missiles and bombs, they are not sophisticated at all.
honestly, abusing a situation only possible via nuclear treaties feels like a good way to make nations start ignoring nuclear treaties.
but, russia has proven to not have the strongest wrists, so, we'll see.
any large aircraft can be adapted to carry large payloads of missiles and bombs
now name their replacement
Or you can adapt smaller aircraft to carry less of the payload, you simply need more of them.
yes, at the cost of wear and tear, as with anything
they are not sophisticated at all.
who said they were? they're a cruise missile launch platform
Bombers all use standoff weapons, the "stealth" technology only allows the aircraft launch the missile closer to the target and theoretically have a bigger payload, but ultimately such technology is just an MIC cash grab.
the zog military is currently losing to houthis after they lost to afghans, but i guess they did starve a few million kids to death, so that should go over well
LMAO cope and seethe, vatnigger.
Again, if you have something that does the job like some 75 year old tech that you adapted to launch modern missiles then guess what, you can adapt any large aircraft to do the job. So, has Russia got any large aircraft that isn't 75 years old or are they reliant on 75 year planes? This is why i used the CRT analogy. If you have the CRT, and you think it does the job it gets used. If that CRT breaks or is a problem you use something else - it won't be a CRT tho.
Any commercial air liner is probably 50% or more Chinese, on a component basis.
The economies work different. American and European companies don't do base manufacturing. They more-so focus on branding, marketing and final assembly.
I buy (or rather bought since tariffs), machinery out of California. Here's an example of an "American Made" machine;
Cabinet cut and powder coated in Mexico
Electronic panels made in China
Software made in California (sublet through Indian company)
Drive Motor Assembled in Michigan (all parts from Taiwan and China)
Rubber fittings, attachments, glass all made in China
Led lighting, power force, fan, compressor all made in China
Final Assembly in California
Gigantic "MADE IN AMERICA" sticker on the outside
They literally removed the 30mm guns from the latest Pantsir models.
It's just a different variant that carries more smaller missiles.
30mm programmable air-burst ammunition that are somehow still in 'development'
See, this is why no one takes you fags seriously. You just say the dumbest shit.
Vatniggers
Chinksect.
niggerfaggot
russia had no intention of rejoining New START, which didn't have that requirement, it's just a cope by russians to say that the west "tricked them again" as if anyone saw this exact scenario perpetuated by the poorest country in europe taking place in 1991
They are not sophisticated, any large aircraft can be adapted to carry large payloads of missiles and bombs.
Or you can adapt smaller aircraft to carry less of the payload, you simply need more of them.
Then why haven't they simply replaced them? Because it doesn't work like that. The Russians have to smuggle aircraft parts from the west. They're literally smuggling aircraft tyres from Boeing. Their production lines for even single engine aircraft is measured in single digit numbers.
These planes were adapted to the modern missiles and bombs, they are not sophisticated at all.
That was the docrine way back in the USSR and is not a Russian adaption. Moreover any 4 engine aircraft is going to be sophisticated, its why only the US and the EU are capable of producing them in any large numbers. Even the chinks can't cobble together an airliner without importing the majority of its parts from the west.
It's just a different variant that carries more smaller missiles.
By removing the main armament of 30mm guns because they can't produce the required minitaturised electronics while keeping enough of a payload for explosives in such a small shell. They're nearly uselss against drones because they require a direct hit.
Hence why they had to go the route of more missiles and only a retard thinks using expensive missiles, while expanding the entire ammunition supply, to down a few low cost drones is a viable alternative. Unless that is the only alternative. In other words, you're a fucking retard.
you keep going on and on but aren't naming the replacement
there isn't one
Why do we keep bombers around in the ICBM age again?
sure, doesn't change the fact its still an excuse to toss the treaties in the garbage though, for more than just russia.
there are no aircraft that can be adapted
ok, I see. Russia only has a few 75 year old large planes. I can see why the Ukraine targeted them now. When does Putler surrender and then resign?
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Thanks anon. Great read. Could be the cause of some confusion ie 40 planes hit errrmmm maybe 10 oh wait, more like 4. We will see Russia response soon.
I get that the people in charge are all 70 and 80, but you'd think they'd still care a bit about how much the US/NATO helping to attack the nuclear capable fleets that are stored in the open from their own treaties will fuck over the rest of the USA globally.
why haven't they replaced them
I already explained why. The aircraft doesn't do anything, it slowly goes into the air and they press the button to fire the missiles to the target. So, if that is all it does then what exactly is needed to best that? They could build something modern, that at least has some rebalance to what the west has. But if all they want that to do is stay in Russian airspace and be used to fire cruise missiles at a target hundreds or thousands of miles away then they keep it on life support.
they lost a platform that allows russia to more effectively, and pretty much single handedly, saturate air defense
it's pretty simple buddy, I'm not sure why you are coping so hard
it's not confusion, see
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along with the three other bases
and, it's too late to even care to explain this, but on the three other bases they used auto-guidance
so, 14 at the two bases, and however many else at the three others
doesn't really matter, retards will cope however they want
They could build something modern
They tried, you mongoloid, its called the Tu-160 and they built ~40 (including prototypes) in the last 40 years.
The only people that support a white genocide are brown panchitoids like yourself
russia nukes you in hypersonic missles
what was that shartmurricans ?
By removing the main armament of 30mm guns because they can't produce the required minitaturised electronics while keeping enough of a payload for explosives in such a small shell.
Source? Cause it sounds like more washing machine bullshit.
They're nearly uselss against drones because they require a direct hit.
Yes that's the point. It's why Gepard and Phalanx has failed for Ukraine. Missiles and I would assume larger caliber AA is the only way.
only a retard thinks using expensive missiles, while expanding the entire ammunition supply, to down a few low cost drones is a viable alternative
They specifically use small missiles designed for targeting drones, 48 of them. And it is a viable alternative if it's effective. The alternative is potentially letting the drone through and losing equipment or men. Do you criticize Ukraine for expending Patriots on Gerans?
K let's put it another way. You have a 75 year old plane, yes no one would build obsolete stuff like that anymore. However it is very easy to build, it is not sophisticated at all, there are no dark arts involved. For fun you have a crazy ideo you do want to build a replica, that is the same. Could you do it, could Russia do it? Methinks yes it could be done pretty quickly with modern tooling. but of course you would not do that, you have them already, you simply machine replacement parts to keep the cold war relic in the air to do it's one trick - fly. Now, what sort of sophistication is need to build a large plane that is simply there to carry cruise missiles? Not much, you will however want that plane to be far more capable than a 75 year relic.
Now name the replacement
Source? Cause it sounds like more washing machine bullshit.
What source? Are you retarded? Simply look at the new Pantsir model. Does it have guns? No? There you go.
Yes that's the point. It's why Gepard and Phalanx has failed for Ukraine.
And by failed you mean they're incredibly succesful? Moreover they're ancient cold war tech.
They specifically use small missiles designed for targeting drones, 48 of them. And it is a viable alternative if it's effective.
Nice cope.
The alternative is potentially letting the drone through and losing equipment or men.
The alternative is 30mm programmable ammunition which is something the Russians still have 'in development' as per the Russian MoD.
Do you criticize Ukraine for expending Patriots on Gerans?
They're not expanding Patriots to down commercial drones, you retard. They're not weapon systems in the same ballpark and the fact you bring it up just goes to show you're a fucking retard.
Anything that can carry the payload. Amazingly you already had 75 year old planes that could do that. So in conclusion any large plane - any as they all can be adapted.
AN-2 biplane:
That's because some things you just can't reasonably replace. Think about the B-52. Or the MG-42 or Colt 1911.
now what can carry the payload, you retarded nigger
as has been explained time and time again, they don't build shit, they can't produce shit, they are a subhuman mongoloid race threatening your shithole island nation with nuclear holocaust every month while not producing shit like it.
you keep talking about how they just replace it, what replaces it. then explain how it's ackshually a bad thing that ukraine destroyed something that allows russia to saturate their air defense unchecked.
dumb nigger.
The 75 year old cold war plane was adapted as it could not carry a cruise missile. So here is another scenario. Another plane has been used for decades and that was adapted to carry and launch the missiles. Those planes are destroyed. The 75 year old plane that was not used is then adapted to carry cruise missiles (the one used now incidentally). Now I don't go into autistic mode to go through every aircraft Russia has or can build or can get hold of to reproduce an adapted 75 year old plane scenario. But you would have to be far far off the autistic scale to say adapting large planes so they can carry cruise missiles cannot be done unless a name can be attached to them. I leave it to you to say why adapting large planes isn't possible tho.
Russia loses edge on strategic bomber fleet
Still has plenty of planes in is tactical bomber fleet
I don't think this is all that big of a deal.
Damn nigger, you just don't even follow this conflict. I think you must live in a fantasy land because literally everything you said was wrong. There's footage of Patriots firing at Gerans every night they launch them.
They're not weapon systems in the same ballpark
No shit you dumb nigger. One is SHORAD one is medium to long, but that hasn't stopped Ukraine from using them on any munitions flying over. That was the point you stupid fuck. I know you just make up whatever is convenient at the moment, but do try and follow along.
The alternative is 30mm programmable ammunition which is something the Russians still have 'in development' as per the Russian MoD.
Source it you dumb nigger. Everything I can find says they've had programmable ammunition since the Soviet era. It's not even advanced technology, programmable fuzes are WWII technology.
Are you retarded? Simply look at the new Pantsir model. Does it have guns? No? There you go.
This is by far the stupidest fucking thing I've read this week and it's only a few hours in. So thanks for starting it off retarded you fucking ape nigger.
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just name the shit that they're going to adapt that will have the same payload capacity, you retard. you can't, you won't, with what budget, etc.
Now I don't go into autistic mode to go through every aircraft Russia has or can build
that's because your opinion is worth less than shit, so in the end you can't explain what replaces it or how it's actually a bad thing that Ukraine is destroying something that allowed Russia to saturate their air defense unchecked.
Now go be a faggot somewhere else, faggot.
There's footage of Patriots firing at Gerans every night they launch them.
May we see them you retarded shill?
Source it you dumb nigger. Everything I can find says they've had programmable ammunition since the Soviet era. It's not even advanced technology, programmable fuzes are WWII technology
Not in 30mm, retard.
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Keep coping, faggot.
You dumb nigger that article says LITERALLY NOTHING about the development of 30mm programmable ammunition. The article is talking about the addition of the cannon which can fire it being added to BMD platform. I know you just fucking googled it too, talking completely out of your ass as expected.
what budget
7% of the Russian GDP is spent on the military this year or $150Bn. The aviation budget is around $7bn of that. So how much would it cost to adapt any large plane to carry cruise missiles? They adapted a 75 year old plane, are 75 year old planes so unique that large planes of today cannot be adapted and instead you have to build from scratch? If you build from scratch obviously you want a plane to fly faster, have more protection, by more sophisticated and can be used outside of Russian airspace. So Russia has to decide do they need to replace those planes lost, do they just adapt other planes to do the same just fly and launch, or do they not bother as it really does not matter in the grand scheme of things in the short term. Long term planning would be replacing those 75 year old planes anyway.
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What plane will they adapt?
Any plane that can best a 75 year old relic from the Stalin era. Now let me ask you this, can you name any large plane that Russia has, or could build otr can get hold of that cannot be adapted to fly in the air carrying an adapted cargo bay to launch cruise missiles? Can a large passenger plane be adapted to carry a payload of cruise missiles that has been adapted to fire them?
What plane, anon?
There is only one video I've seen and you literally only see 4 planes on fire... There is zero chance they had other good footage they didn't show.
I also get my facts from scizointel...
article from 2017
3UOF23 was announced way back in 2015.
We actually got a glimpse of this in syria years ago. Al qaeda guys were launching drone swarms at a russian air base. Limited success but it was the first real life instance of 50 ali express suicide drones
Also the islamic state was dropping grenades via drones in 2014/2015
There is only one video
Anon, I...
Nevermind I'll just let you cope
Are strategic bombers even useful these days with advancements in AA?
and it wasn't in service then, or in 2022
You can tell russians are mad. Their paid shills are coping all over Anon Babble nonstop.
This. Who needs planes and air superiority anyway
While it takes a lot of planning for nuanced results hoped
Usually the results fubar into the equivalent of a Russian counter state op
The latest would be Europe’s Migrant Crisis in part when Obama bombed Libya into a failed state.
The only people that support a white genocide
Do you have a hard time reading or something? where did i mention i support this shit, i am quite critical and i'm just discussing the reality of warfare and strategy not being in favor or against something; it's you here that sperged out at the mention of ukraine not able to do enough to russia for it to be meaningful on the battlefield, and i bet you sperged out because you know it's true.
The thing is, you say support white genocide but people like you that keep supporting ukraine is what keeps this "genocide" going, this will inevitably end in russia's favor sooner or later. This is just a game to try bring russia down as a major player geopolitically and use it's natural resources not as a partner but to exploit them for our benefit like in the 90's and just hurt russia as much as possible from growing as a major power because we already have the chinese to worry about.
So they're using ukraine as a proxy for all this and keeping this flame alive while what would end the war is to accept the inevitable, which is that russia is a major power that has a lot of resources and will grow, and ukraine is not comparable to russia at all and without external help it wouldn't be able to survive. And don't tell me you are so stupid to believe the narrative that we are helping ukraine to mantain it's sovereign state and putin is the new hitler, have you not learned anything from covid or maybe you are not even from spain, you are just a buthurt ukranian that wants us to use everything we have and die for your shitty country nobody cares about.
Post the others...
No, Ukraine did not 'destroy' 40 airframes.
You have been banned from Anon Babble
At this point, probably. Just fewer because of volumetric and eight requirements relative to fuel-explosive ratio on missile.
Most modern aircraft release the missile before the ignition of missile starts.
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there's more than 4 destroyed or whatever your cope was in the satellite images at belanya/olenya/whatever the shithole mongoloid fields are called
they hit three other airfields
they already posted a message saying auto-guidance was used at those three other airfields and they're confirming with satellite imagery
take your niggerbrain copes elsewhere
Russians are so fucking ass mad and gay lol
isn't disguising military armaments as civilian against the geneva convention, terrorism?
Ignore the tardfucks, Spanish Bro.
History is filled with incidents like this where one side may squander, or apparently squander, a Wunderwaffe, a new tactic, or a surprise attack, or even a military force, for various reasons.
Sometimes it political, economic, an act of desperation, or sometimes its just plain retardation.
Consider in WW2 how the Germans misused the Tiger tank at first, or how the development of the ME 262 was cucked for years. Look at the Japanese strike on Pearl Harbor where even if they had caught and sunk ALL the Pacific fleet's carriers and battleships, they would still have been outnumbered by the USN. Or look at how the Brits stopped their army successfully advancing in North Africa in order to send an army to Greece, where they had absolutely zero chance of achieving anything other than getting a severe beating, which is exactly what happened, and then Rommel arrived and fucked them over for nearly two years.
Sometimes the economics come into play and they might figure a one strike Doolittle raid is worth more political capital than a sustained campaign. Perhaps Zelesnky just really wanted a PR win. Perhaps there is some real 4D chess going on and what details we hear about the attack is deliberate misinformation to disguise the true matter of how it was achieved.
We will likely never know the truth, even after the war is over.
You sound smart, unlike most of the conceited pigfuckers in this thread. I suggest you watch Perun's Utube channel for how this sort of shit works. Here's an example.
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Bombers are super expensive compared even to the high-tech US missiles being aimed at them.
Their only relevance is payload delivery per loss, and relative to other outcomes, but overall optimal if performing whatever duty desired.
Although another component is US sanctions. We’re having a horrible time with Russia, but cutting off a 5th of the world economy is gonna be leagues harder, but the US trade us a system of buyers power for excess, China is simply one provider. India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Japan, Nepal, all are potential replacements.
Granted this is still a muddy nightmare.
I only care about my anime and this is simply cryptic-weaboo talk by someone that doesn’t want his Japanese anime replaced by the-most-easily-offended-republic’s tastes catered to.
Literally every US brand trying to self-censure to cater to Chinese clientele typically turns into philosophically neutered garbage.
no, you just don't get the protections afforded to legitimate combatants
if you're using civilians as human shields that's another story
So you're saying both USA and Russia are impotent when it comes to nuclear war? These bombers can get shot down before they get anywhere close to dropping a bomb. Even using standoff missiles would be difficult because air defense assets could engage them out of range over sea (because there's no area denial over sea without massive fleets)
Temu planes.
Taiwan is 40 miles from China
And it’s unclear if US would support mainland strikes.
China still wouldn’t have it easy because US foreign policy is more about economically strangling China till its Achilles Heel crops up - mass peasant rebellions.
What happened to operation Dumb Fuck Always Cucks with the Houthis btw? Last time I checked I was told that they were gonna find out why Americans don't have healthcare. Did they find out?
I suggest you watch Perun's Utube channel for how this sort of shit works.
Thanks, never heard of this channel before; i like this kind of geopolitical channels with a cup of coffee or while lifting, i'll check it out.
Try 8. 5 Tu-95MS bombers, 2 Tu-22M3 bombers, 1 An-12 military transport aircraft.
Stop jerking off to videogames, loser.
Its going to be embarrasing when he relases a video on these strikes and comes to the exact opposite of your conclusion.
Perun is pretty clueless about economy. He unironically thinks that GDP is economy.
Why is it that mentally ill faggots like you can't read Ukraine's own announcement that other air fields were targeted?
Lol, it took Ukraine and the CIA 1.5 years of planning to do what Russia does every other night with no planning
While withholding targeting telemetry for Eurofag pinkos to not use their cruise missiles with unlocked maximum ranges? Or the dregs of the Sino-Soviets are actually a bunch of criminal slav-wigger retards and Ukraine's competency didn't have to be that high to pull it off given the opposition--
Moscow was party to the Coof and 'election fortification', and it doesn't have to be a whirlwind they reap: that can come excruciatingly slowly. It's not like 200-300k fentanyl unrestricted warfare KIA wouldn't also oblige it in isolation either . . .
I watch his and many other's for economics and its all a fake science. His stuff is great intro if your lacking the basics. Same goes with this guy. One fallacy these neckbeard armchair generals always fall into is the "We are always fighting the last war" No retard we will use all means of warfare available to us from sticks and stone to ballistic missiles. No weapon becomes obsolete. It always fills a niche and no one will replace infantry even if we had cyborgs on the battlefield today you would still have average joe getting his leg blow off right next to it.
This guy is more Micro-economics.
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Ukraine's own announcement
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just wait for trump!!!!
Hey I am critical but always suck the same dick hehe
I am NOOOOOOTRAL
You are retarded pancho, go back to Cochabamba
why did their parked planes have tires on the wings?
They absorb radio waves, the tires worked as camouflage against radar satellites.
MY PLANES! THE TIRES, THEY DO NOTHING!
no one is going to piss someone off enough to do this
and 9/11 didnt happen
They're already stretched thin financially hence why they keep canceling weapons programs. T-14, A-100, MiG Project 1.44, etc.
This has much more to do with lack of competence rather than lack of funds.
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b.... But sir... The air defences....
I SAID MORE VDV PITOR
That's why Israel got Google Earth to censor their air bases, because there was no damage.
Idiot.
This has much more to do with lack of competence rather than lack of funds.
Its both. 'Defence' is the single largest expense of the Russian federal budget and that's without accounting for things like 'internal security'. They don't have the money to waste on significant new weapons developments.
Da, Puccia bomb 40 hohol strategic bomberski every nightski, comrade. Puccia big. Puccia powerful.
Get honked, leaf.
5 confirmed hits on outdated junk
no explosions filmed
talks in Istanbul proceeding as if nothing happened
I am thinking the train thing was more significant
Russia has been struggling to produce any aircraft since the war started.
It's a known big problem, they lack access to some components that used to be imported.
The key problems of the aviation industry today are interruptions in the supply of components due to the workload of supplier enterprises with state defense orders, as well as the unfinished design and development work related to import substitution, he adds: "No amount of money can speed this up."
i wonder what trump thinks that ladybugs and other faggots worked behind his back to sabotage peace negotiations
Good morning sar
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That's an interesting channel. Excellent.
we will use all means of warfare available to us from sticks and stone to ballistic missiles
Yeah I would be equipping the soldiers with slingshots and bird pellets to fight off drones. Seriously.
Sure thing.
You are an illiterate idiot and have received my full quota of attention now.
Welcome.
Ukraine propaganda continuously fabricating stellar victories and kill numbers for literal years
people act like it’s ridiculous to question Ukrainian propaganda
Snake Island, anyone? Ghost of Queef?
You fucking morons are slurping up the equivalent of Ukrainian CNN.
Yeah I would be equipping the soldiers with slingshots and bird pellets to fight off drones. Seriously.
Probably because you're an idiot.
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