I showed up every fucking day on this board prior to the election...

Let's do some very, very basic math. I can tell by how you write that you have some kind of impairment, but I think you can do it. If Trump deports 700/day while letting in 400/day and Biden deported 800/day while letting in 7000/day, which will result in a higher illegal immigrant population?

ooooops image. this one check it out on 4plebs or whatever. check out how many times i was posting them and vivaciously litigating the matter in the comments of the threads.

Still fishing for a win eh Jacopo

Once again, for the gorillionth time, Obama / Biden's """deportations""" included migrants turned back at the border, in order to butch up their numbers. So the same guy could be turned back 5 times and make it through on the sixth and he'd count as 5 deportations. That's how we ended up with another 10-20 million illegals under their watch despite """record""" deportation numbers.
If you don't know this, you are clearly a dishonest shill spreading fake news.

this is another one. look at the threads with this image. i went hard and naturally none of you fucks cared. and there are more too. many more images. and im not going to be able to find them all.

no mass deportations

That's because fewer people are attempting to illegally enter (and thus there are fewer expedited removals for people caught at the border). People apprehended within the U.S. have to go through a court proceeding before they can be deported, which takes months. There's also a bottleneck in the number of planes and busses that can be used to actually send people out once they have a removal order.
Enforcement efforts have dramatically increased. It just takes time for that to translate in numbers of deported migrants, because you can't just grab 5% of the hordes streaming in across the border and claim victory.

no end to Russia/Ukraine on day 1

Only the most retarded took that statement literally. The U.S.is engaging in diplomacy with both sides now and progress is being made on bringing the conflict to an end. Instead of just milking it for more arms sales.

HERE we go. THIS is the one I think I was posting the most and for the longest. And I would have these BIIIIIIIIG, long, drawn out debates with you utter mendacious fucking morons in the comments. And I was doing it night after night. Night after night after night after night. And none of you gave a fuck cuz none of you actually give a fuck about stopping immigration. You just wanna blame jews for your own crimes (of which immigration is one) so you can continue committing them.

A bunch of irrelevant opinions

We get it, you were spamming MIGA MIGA MIGA too. All so tiresome.

You still haven't addressed why a net illegal immigrant flow of +6200/day is preferable to -300/day as explained here And your infograph here makes my case, not yours. Are you retarded?

No. I never engage in your antisemitism on this site. I'm a communist and not one of you. If I was one of you I wouldn't IRL want immigration problems solved and would instead mask my incompetence and inaction through shitty, empty, edgelord rhetoric and hoped American voters are too stupid to notice.

No dude, I'm done addressing your fake numbers, your poor faith arguments, your cherrypicking and obfuscating of data. Anyone who still believes Trump's supposed policies on immigration are real, at this point, is an American media zombie.

And if you want the answers to your bullshit fake numbers then go read through the threads I was mentioning above cuz I had this same convo when you all tried to pretend the net migration, which is due to many other exogenous factors other than the president's policies, were somehow vindications for you.

I'm a communist

That explains why you want a net illegal immigrant flow of 6200/day since CPUSA thinks enforcing a national border is immoral.

fake numbers

Prove it, pussy.

you can't

Concession accepted.

PS I'm a white guy anon, I'm gonna leave America due to the fact that Trump is president and it's a collapsing shithole. There's your "net migration" numbers right there utter moron. It has nothing to do on the whole with the murican immigration crisis.

You're talking to yourselves. As always your comments have nothing to do with me. See .

ok net migration is lower, but it would be higher if the stock market wasn't dipping

You're White trailer trash with no formal education and it shows.

can't prove shit

Welp.

And every white guy like me who leaves, guess what you need to replace me with? *gasp*, a hispanic laborer. ooopsie daisy, that's what happens when you defend your president on the basis of cherrypicked data.

see im done and it's pathetic. and i am aware how you will always just relentlessly say "net migration numbers net migration numbers net migration numbers!" until you're blue in the face. even though they do not remotely reflect or rely on a presidential policy.

Cool, leave for real. Don't let the door hit your vagina on the way out. Good riddance. McDonald's will miss you.

When are you leaving? Or are you an all talk no action pussy?

there's no way, at this point, that this person really believes "Trump is stopping immigration" or something. This is the sort of zealotry rich kids are willing to post on Anon Babble in order to protect their chance at some good ass Trumpian tax cuts. And trickle down economics that never trickle down.

They even openly shit on working people with lower caste jobs .

Trailer trash, when are you leaving? I thought you were two weeks away from having your unskilled job replaced by a beaner who can't speak English or count to 10.

Breaking down the net migration numbers into their real world meanings provides a picture of America that absolutely does not help MAGA viewpoints. You're talking about uppermiddle and middle class Americans fleeing the country. You're talking about less people who want to come in legally, which forces us to rely more on illegal immigration, and stuff like that. It's not a good scene when you break it down but it's one thing MAGAmorons can cling to to try to pretend "Trump did was he pretended he would"

The numbers youre referring to all revolve around America's diminishing reputation in the world as a nice place to live, or as having a meaningful economic future, and not "policy from the Trump administration". utter moron.

I thought you were a communist. Did you lie again?
cpusa.org/article/resist-trumps-racist-attack-on-immigrants/

It won't matter. The rightwing is never going to admit to their own bullshit and lies and none of them will be stopped until they've finally run all of America into the ground finally.

I thought you were a communist. Did you lie again?
cpusa.org/article/understanding-issues-on-the-border-a-working-class-perspective/

I don't know who you're talking to with half of your comments. Half of your comments seem directed at an imaginary person in your own head and not me. And I am a communist though I dont see how that relates to anything youre responding to.

Posting the same insane non sequitur twice now anon?

Why are you lying? If you were a communist you'd be attacking Trump as a racist anti-immigrant xenophobe. Can you show me which communist party or doctrine that mandates restricted flow of labor across borders?

There's no net migration data even out right now BTW. I mean this anon is basically making this up, but net migration dove the 1st year of the 1st Trump admin too so I assume the same will happen here. And then it rose on the 2nd year.

You're just talking to yourself and your own imaginary MSNBC hosts in your head or something, who you probably think are "communists" cuz you're an utter fucking moron.

The media coverage surrounding his 1st election is mostly what led to this and not Trump's policies. Trump's record on immigration through his 1st term ended up being atrocious.

So you can't answer? Are you a pussy? I just showed you what communist party USA believes. Are you saying you're not a communist now? Show me where the communist party or philosopher that represents your views is anti-internationalism and against the free movement of labor. Failure to produce this is admission that you're a lying pedophile here in bad faith.

No. "The communist party USA" is not an actual communist party.

you don't have a communist party in America. It's not allowed, both de facto and mostly de jure.

show me where communist doctrine is anti-labor

No

Lol thanks for admitting you rape kids and aren't here in good faith.

Stop lying, child rapist.

you're talking to yourself and i absolutely have no clue what you're saying.

"child rapist" now. nice. out of nowhere of course as always. nice.

You admitted you fuck kids right here when I asked you to simply show evidence that communism is anti-free movement of labor and you said no, on the condition that failure to answer means you rape kids. Sorry fag, should've just been honest.

in truth, i probably shouldn't have let this anon get away with saying "net migration was down" I mean I knew it was a bullshit claim when he made it, but cuz I'm intellectually honest I recognize they went down in Trump's 1st term, but only towards the very beginning, and only because of the media coverage.

huh? I don't know what you're saying man, sorry. I know you came into my thread and derailed it with a false claim and I probably let myself down in some way by letting you get away with that false claim.

net migration was down

Sure is, esepcially illegal crossings. According to DHS encounters are down over 90%. Weird that actually enforcing a border results in fewer people just waltzing across is right? Stop raping kids.

We know, you rape kids. That's because you were molested yourself.

that doesn't have anything to do with you enforcing the borders, you are misrepresenting the meanings of these numbers like Trump supporters are known to do when it suits them.

I cannot tell you much I hope to see you and all your friends removed from power one day.

because globohomo cannot anymore try to shame you into the cck corner due to the fact that you morally declupled from their wordvieds for soft-handed slaves.
The propaganda script has to be changed.
The script with globohomo propaganda right now is:

1. Give money to influencers through NGOs to make X massage appear grassroot.
2. Tuning the propaganda to try to make alt-right or any dissident leaders, if elected, pass as incompetent and/or unable to deliver on the promises they made.

In the case specifically of deportations, judges are working in overdrive to block everything they can, lawfare mostly. but they blame it on the elected leader's capabilities.
This is something even some influencers on anti globohomo side could latch on due to being unsatisfied, and so globohomo gets to have dissident influencers relaunch some of their arguments.

The problem with this approach for globohomo is that they are not fixing the problems that cause the people to stand against globohomo not are satisfying their desires; they are merely try to have the dissident leader tarred and maybe the next vote the people stay at home, and globohomo wins the election with 1% margin. (again).
What they are getting is not demoralization, it may look like that, but they are solidifying the conviction that ever more extreme means are necessary. And the system needs to get broken for good.

globohomo is forced to make propaganda to defeat the leader of now, that only helps the anti-globohomo leaders of tomorrow.

that doesn't have anything to do with you enforcing the borders

Lol look at this chomo squirm.

WTF does all of this mean? why the fuck are people on this website all so fucking incoherent? and incoherent in such a weirdly pseudointellectual way, too. where they're using all sorts of big words and trying to make themselves seem like "intellectuals"

Look at this pedopussy talk out of both sides of his mouth lol.

immigration isn't down

yes it is

well yeah obviously, but not because of immigration policy

These child rapists are insane.

I just hope you and everyone like you is out of power one day soon, man, cuz you have just pillaged and raped this country for your own profit. And now you sit here out of nowhere calling me a "chomo" and then misrepresenting data that couldn't possibly yourself believe means what you pretend it means.

Just learn basic English, trailer trash.

You're incredibly dull. Have you stopped raping kids?

immigration went down in Trump's 1st term when he was 1st elected. Briefly. At the start. As a result of US media coverage and less demand to get into the country among educated people, Europeans, and so forth. As well as lots of middle and upper middle class people leaving the country. Those people were largely white.

I'm willing to recognize something similar will _PROBABLY_ happen in his 1st 6 months this time too. But none of that data really exists yet and you're making up most of your claims out of nowhere. And even if it does turn out that way it doesn't make any difference and isn't the result of Trump anti-immigration policies though his supporters'll never admit that.

Briefly. At the start

Your own data shows it dropped precipitously over the four years and then spiked when Biden took over lmfao. Imagine counting on pedophiles being able to read simple charts.

And ALL those white people that left America cuz of Trump in 2016, they all hate to be replaced with south American laborers. this is the truth so there's nothing about it you should be bragging about or acknowledging a "win" over.

And ALL those white people that left America

Prove it, pussy.

you can't

I just hate these people so much the way they just show up and are like "ur a pedo!" and then make a bunch of false or misleading claims, or refuse to acknowledge the slightest bit of nuance in the data they cherrypick.

make a bunch of false or misleading claims

You have the self-awareness of a nigger.

Didnt you just talk about "net migration"? Isn't that what this discussion is about? WTF do you think "net migration" is you fucking utter retard? It's not Trump stopping immigration, it's white families with means to go to better countries bailing.

it's white families with means to go to better countries bailing

Prove it, pussy.

you can't

Weird.

AND when we don't have demand for legal immigration here in America, guess what we replace it with? ILLEGAL immigration LMAO. Trust me dude there's nothing about the "net migration numbers" you should be bragging about if you want to deconstruct those numbers. But I know it doesn't matter to you cuz obviously nothing involved in the truth matters to you.

truly i simply cannot believe americans actually elect assholes like you and your MAGAtard sociopaths over communists like me.

illegal crossings being down over 90% is akshually bad if you deconstruct it

That's just called lying, which makes sense considering that you're an admitted pedophile.

Something clearly went wrong somewhere in your life for you to turn out like this. Give us your life story. The whole thing.

Clearly I see the way this is gonna go for MAGA is they will have that "net migration" number to point to in the beginning of the term (probably) and when people try to tell them about the nuance in those numbers they'll just ignore it. Like always. Then declare victory and walk away. Like always.

when people try to tell them about the nuance in those numbers

You just said there's nuance and didn't prove shit because you fuck little kids. You were given ample opportunity to provide evidence and refused.

Well, like I've already explained, you're referring to data that refers to many middle and upper middle class born citizens (most of whom are white BTW) leaving America for a variety of reasons, one being the Trump administration. As well as decreased demand of legal immigrants wanting to get into our country, which then forces us to rely MORE on illegal immigration.

And you're twisting those numbers, which are the "net migration" numbers, into making it seem like somehow MAGA followed through. Then just calling me "pedo" and ignoring me like always for MAGA.

you're referring to data that refers to many middle and upper middle class born citizens (most of whom are white BTW) leaving America

Why do you refuse to prove that, but have no issue raping children? Seems strange.

And it was only low in Trump's 1st term for his 1st year anyway. 2019, prior to the pandemic, was one of the worst years for immigration in America's entire history. And worse than any time under Obama.

Know what else is sad? Under normal circumstances a person would just say "alrite, im not going to dignify this POS with responses" but sadly your just a normal MAGANAZI person. And your entire movement is this way.

2019, prior to the pandemic, was one of the worst years for immigration in America's entire history

Why can't you stop lying?

MAGANAZI

Touch grass, dork.

yes the red line is 2019 FFS why dont you just stop

that is what you are. maganazis. not unique. not special. not different from other maganazis under other labels.

You're looking at the wrong chart you illiterate pedophile lmfao.

Republicans have always been pro immigration

grass status

not touched

im looking at the chart you linked to, which is my screenshot of US immigration data i made and posted on this site last year

why is it that this is what somehow rose to power in America and no matter what we do it's always here tormenting us, pillaging us, robbing us, and then telling us to blame "leftists and jews" for it, and no matter what we do we always have to call people like this anon "master"

know what I mean? I mean just look at this guy in this thread. these are the people who rule the country. who rule America. these are the ones that won here.

and surprise, you put these people in power and they didn't do a fucking thing to help you. theyre not stopping your immigration. theyre not ending your war. immigration might go lower due to exogenous factors like it did at the beginning of Trump's 1st term, as we've been discussing. Or the war might end due to exogenous factors like American wars sometimes do. But none of it has to do with MAGA or Trump's policies.

my screenshot of US immigration data i made

Then why can't you see that foreign born immigration wasn't higher in 2019 than it was at any point under Obama you absolute fucking moron lmfao. Holy shit, you have to have nigger admixture or something. You are incomprehensibly fucking retarded.

You're just talking to yourself and your own imaginary MSNBC hosts in your head or something

immigration might go lower due to exogenous factors

Lol the baby rapist is squirming again.

IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE REEEEEEEEEEEEE

somehow, amazingly, Americans will read our conversation and come out of it supporting you and your Trump and thinking youre fucking awesome.

there are exogenous factors that cause immigration to go up and down. yes. that's why when Trump took over in 2017 net migration DID go down at 1st, but if you look at his overall record it was atrocious. A lot of that net migration number had to do with media coverage making people not want to come to America.

Well they'll certainly see that you don't know how to read charts that you screenshotted to somehow prove your point and then accidentally own yourself with.

also the fact that quality of life is declining in America and we're not internationally viewed as much as having a future.

I'm happy with my vote and I will be voting Trump in 2028. You can be mad about it but that's all you can do about it.

Cool, you said you were leaving. Come on pussy boy, be a little gal of your word and fuck off. Whats wrong, no White countries will actually take you because you offer them nothing since your uneducated low skill trailer trash?

i just hope something, someday, wake the American people up out of their generations-long slumber and they somehow understand how dudes like you are not helping them.

You're a communist pedophile, if it were up to you the age of consent would be abolished and borders would be disintegrated.

im pretty sure that's the blatant projection of the rightwing. especially you.

somehow the most rightwing country in the world ended up as the country with the fewest borders. and the people of that country were brainwashed to blame leftwing politics for it. thus is the power of America's MSM and the far right agenda they push on a people who have been brainwashed to think they're pushing a far left agenda.

no u

Lol get a load of this dumbfuck. You understand that bolsheviks abolished the age of consent in Russia upon assuming power, right? No because you don't understand a fucking thing.

socialsci.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Sociology/International_Sociology/Book:_International_Relations_Theory_(McGlinchey_Walters_and_Scheinpflug)/05:_Marxism/5.02:_Marxism_Migrants_and_Borders

First, Marxists are critical of the fixed aspect of borders because they create relations of dependency and inequality between peoples by restricting and controlling their access to resources and labour.

nah i dont think that's true, i think thats just the empty horseshit you guys sell about your political opposition on the basis of nothing.

im not going to click on that and we're not critical of borders as marxists.

all you do, guy, is show up and go "ur a pedophile" and "ur for openborders". On the basis of nothing. Meanwhile you're voting for a pedophile and America's borders are open for capitalism. And can't be shut with its capitalist economic system cuz the capitalist economic system depends on immigrants.

Americans love this man, though. Americans gave this man power over the people on the left who wanted unions, worker's rights, protecting social safety nets and stuff.

Children could consent to sex once they hit puberty in the RSFSR, groomer.

on the basis of nothing

marxist.com/why-marxists-oppose-immigration-controls.htm
Lmfao.

nooooooo stop citing actual communist parties and Marxists!

listen to me, the trailer trash faggot who would be an incel if I didn't fuck kids!

far right wealthy capitalists

You don't know what "far right" means fucking communist

oh, just one more thing

and that's why you try to blame jews for immigration

Anon Babble was right again

As well as lots of middle and upper middle class people leaving the country. Those people were largely white.

Source for this claim? I haven't heard anything about an exodus of Americans in either Trump term, unless you are counting a handful of celebrities who fuck off to their European vacation homes for a year as a symbolic protest.

And even if it does turn out that way it doesn't make any difference and isn't the result of Trump anti-immigration policies though his supporters'll never admit that.

You seem to be arguing that Presidential policy is largely irrelevant in patterns of immigration. Or am I misinterpreting you?

WTF do you think "net migration"

A measure of migrants entering vs migrants leaving.
Not a measure of migrants entering and Americans leaving. American expat numbers are miniscule compared to immigration to America.

A lot of that net migration number had to do with media coverage making people not want to come to America.

What kind of "media coverage"? What were the stories about, killer wildlife in the U.S.?

yeah we all know "net migration" refers to people leaving America, not wanting to come to America anymore cuz it's a dump, and other factors as well. So we don't have to pretend it doesn't mean to that just because Trumptards wanna pretend Trump did something on immigration. I know you people will still just deny the basic facts of the matter but I am not playing along.