A Chinese-made Pakistani fighter plane shot down at least two Indian military aircraft on Wednesday, two U.S. officials told Reuters, marking a potential major milestone for Beijing's advanced fighter jet.
"We're aware of at least one Chinese-made Pakistani fighter plane, likely a J-10, shooting down at least two Indian military aircraft on Wednesday, marking a potential major milestone for Beijing's advanced fighter jet."
reuters.com
I don't even get why jeets are crashing out so hard over this. Yeah, jets tend to go down when you engage in a massive aerial confrontation with a peer/near-peer adversary.
Lies by pakistan army. This is similar to Baghdad Bob talking about victory while American tanks were next door.
Bharat has dominated stage one of this operation and entire world will shake once stage two is complete.
Bharat will be united once again.
Behold, the power of BRICS. All thirdie infighting, all the time.
When will india be recieving a new shipment of missiles from russia to shoot at pakisan?
Saar no, this is poopaganda
first Rafale downed in combat in history
Is it the jeets or the plane?
As I understand it, the Rafale had a fairly decent record up until now.
Do you really have to ask?
Both.
Rafale jets are the participation trophy of geopolitics, as we joked in the airforce academy.
brazil
Top kek
The fact they are focusing on the Ching Chong jet and not the pilot
Tells you this is propaganda
It's the Jeets. They would have single handed fucked up the F15's combat record if they bought them
Brazilians make good planes, in America thousands of people fly on them every single day. I don’t think I’ve ever used anything made in Australia ever in my entire life and you have 3x the population of sweden who makes gripens and submarines n shit, and has a lot of famous products and businesses like IKEA. What does Australia have? Crocs? Uggs? Footwear. WOWEEE
buying french jews instead of staying with tried and tested russian stuff
India fucked up there. India will never fly the F35 Trump sold them.
As I understand it, the Rafale had a fairly decent record of bombing Mali and Libyan mud huts, up until now.
India superpower 2020, no sorry, 2021, no wait a minute 2022, no that's right it will be India great superpower by 2023... Wait no that's not right...
They would have single handed fucked up the F15's combat record if they bought them
Probably right. I keep saying on these threads that they should have bought the F35 but now I'm glad they didn't.
What study needs to be done? Both poos and mudslime suck ass at warfare. The mudslime got lucky and the poos suck at flying.
INDIAN AIR FORCE FIGHTERS
70 MIG 21
65 MIG 29
260 SUKHOI 30 MKI
105 HAL TEJAS
50 MIRAGE 2000
130 SEPECAT JAGUAR
36 RAFALE
Chinese crappy iron shot what? 2 or 5 russian antiquities.
brazil bought saab jets from sweeden, for me all those are f-16 knock offs with minor differences including the french one.
locksn33ds martin probably sell those info to everyone including the russians...
At this point just build your own metal tube slop with flames coming out the back. How hard can it be.
None of America's aircraft has ever seen real combat, the US hasn't engaged in any conflict with a militarily capable nation since WW2
why did they buy a handful of every jet they had permission to buy? this seems incredibly stupid
Buy 7 different types of jets
Never learn how to fly any of them
each jet needs its own parts supply chain and maintenance schedule. why diversify?
I don't even get why jeets are crashing out so hard over this.
Jeets spent $7.4 billion on more Rafale jets just a few weeks ago
They divide them up by caste. Only Brahmin get the F-35. Everyone else gets
shittier planes proportionate to their shittier caste.
@grok is this true?
this is dumb enough to be true
Lmao, Jeets got scammed...by French, topkek.
Still no proof a rafale was downed. Anon Babble supports india gtfo with ur terrorist propoganda
Chinese missiles don't drop out of the sky for poop flares.
What's there to say about the pilot, retard? You think a singular paki pilot won a 1v2 or they're going to dunk on the dead Indian pilots? Lemme guess, you initially bought the ghost of kyiv stories. Call it propaganda all you want, this is one of the rare occasions where an Asian fighter jet fought a Western one ending in a 2-0 scoreline.
t. the ghost of lahore
Rafael is a piece of shit.
France is weak ass pathetic country.
Cope frog.
Your shitty jet is a piece of shit.
lol shut up curry nigger
I'm sure they are, I just think that it's being sensationalized because everyone is observing it and news outlets wanna cash out on ad revenue. Also pretty sure Pakistan is supposed to be the underdog in this narrative so it'll sell pretty well, the fact we're even talking about it means the news outlets are eating good.
Rafaels get taken out by even F4E phantoms. Even F-15Es can blow them up and thats a fucking tactical bomber.
Pakistan is mud brick huts also.
You should tell it to the frenchie coping that it's actually migs shot down instead of rafale
Saar come in
what is bing bing woop woop missile alert mean?
Saar please explain, this was not covered in training
Saar there was a loud bang and now I am descending, please kindly advise
flag
kek
Rafaels are like everything else France makes, form over function.
France gets slapped every time in excerises by F35s and F15s.
The real deal when it come to fighter jets is the "Operation and Maintenance" chapter bc, obviously, it's better and cheaper to have fewer planes with a high disponibility.
US stuff is excellent, with 70% see
gao.gov
Rafale is excellent too, the Navy version M being superior to the regular Air force.
That's why your and our stuff is expensive, even without ammo'n'shit, but you spare so much costs after.
Buying 400 russians shits is so unproductive, imagine having to maintain all these with a maybe 20 to 25% disponibility, the cost!!!
It's cheaper to buy 100 Rafale A or M version; or F16 and F18, without talking about the electronic warfare etc.. which is way more efficient than russian stuff.
Just check out how Israel bombed Iran like S400 was totally blind.
Fuck you chinksect scum bitch
J-10 shoots down French planes from the 1970's
That's like bragging about Migs shooting down Sopwith Camels. No shit.
F4 phantoms are keno.
Sorry saar, blame U.S. officials for confirmation, saar.
Lmao jeets are more delusional about their place in the world than north koreans. You are not a great nation and you never will be. Your getting your assed handed to you by a second rate middle power. You are just poojeets.
downed
i read it as drowned.
anyway, how many f-18 drowned over the years?
J-10,
Chengdu J-10 Vigorous Dragon
Gotta say, that is a bitchin plane name.
Take an educated guess.
first in history
That means it was never in battle.
And what record would that be exactly?
jeets are crashing out
They aren't crashing. They are getting shot down.
You're thinking about older Dassault crap. Rafale is supposed to be comparable to a current F-18.
en.m.wikipedia.org
It has been used in combat over Afghanistan, Libya, Mali, Iraq, Syria, and by India near its border with Pakistan.
I repeat my original question.
each jet needs its own parts supply chain and maintenance schedule. why diversify?
diversity is their strength, you Chud!
Chinese crappy iron shot what? 2 or 5 russian antiquities.
Buddy you better get ready because this war is going to be a fucking clown show. This is just the opening act. You think Russia has been embarrassed by the Ukraine business? You're about to see what two semi-competent (at best) sides duking it out looks like.
IDK why you retards are hyper focusing on the Rafale thing. There are 36 Rafales in the Indian airforce and 260 Su-30's. The Su-30 is their primary air superiority fighter so it is most likely they would be fielding these over a small number of rafales in air superiority missions. Well I do know why because the same people who are making these threads are making RUSSIA #1 posts in other threads.
That's a more extensive operational history than the F-22, just saying. And no one questions the Raptor.
why diversify?
Trading war machines is tricky because they're buying the damn things from first world countries at the prices a bloated corrupt industry wants to sell them for, and always in limited numbers.
Most likely if pakis used the F16 they wouldn't took down the rafael, because of the west sharing tech, it would've alarmed it or something, good they used the chinese ones
Not the same generational aircraft.
The fact is that the Rafale never saw air-to-air combat until the other day in spite of having a first flight date of 1986. Dropping bombs in a low threat environment on niggers and sandniggers isn't a test of anything.
French jet lost it's virginity to a chink jet piloted by paki
You know buying jets is 90% diplomacy & retro-commissioning, and 10% actually having jets as a weapon, right?
Jeets have a massively inflated sense of nationalistic self worth. It’s amazing how how they can live in some of the biggest shitholes on planet earth, literal garbage dumps, yet still believe they are one of the world’s superpowers. I have been watching Republic World and I haven’t laughed this hard at any piece of media in years.
I also now fully understand why they still abide by antiquated notions like the caste system. If I were one of the smart ones, I too would deny with my entire being that these shit eating retards are in any way related to me, despite looking like me and sharing the same language and culture.
It's almost as if all western nations have nukes and can only bully sandniggers & mud hut niggers when they want to unburden their thirst for blood.
You can't be stupid enough to not understand $70M a pop aircrafts aren't actually designed to get wasted in dogfights, correct?
If you bother developping those, it's with in mind to never have to get it shot down.
Well if you're going to sell them to poos, you should at least make sure they can shoot down the Chinese shit that's going to be thrown against them.
If it was a Rafale, they should have had meteor missiles, and if they did them they should have been able to outrange and shoot down J-10s, J-16s, F-16s. The fact there are no confirmed Pakistani losses leads me to believe that the missiles either didn't work, they didn't shoot them, or there were no Rafales present.
Jeets have a massively inflated sense of nationalistic self worth.
It didn't used to be this bad. They've gone NK-style blind nationalism under Modi.
It's not chinese jets shooting rafales down, it's chink missiles. Do you know how much more advanced are new gen missiles compared to fighter jets? It's like using a bazooka against a medieval chariot. The new hypersonic stuff get launched at Mach 12, there is no countermeasure against that, no matter the quality of the jet or the pilot's skill.
The only countermeasure we know is zero radar signature, and it's incredibly hard to achieve. So far, nobody really master it, so 100% of all fighter jets in the world are basically sitting ducks.
60% of Air forces' budget these days only go into radar jamming techs, because our bureaucrats finally figured out their expensive flying toys are useless with AA systems so efficient.
Just like they only figured out in 2022 their shiny $20M ultra-sophisticated tanks were nothing more than Fiat 500s in a world of buzzing $100 toy drones with plastic charges glued to it.
Exact same issue.
You don't understand, you weren't actually supposed to fly your toy
kek
But that's exactly how it is. Mind to remind me how many times you used your fighter jets in the Ukraine war? You got 3 years+ to spam it daily, but you never used it, ever wondered why?
Baghdad bob? You sound like Bharat bob
Hows the josh, rafale?
You're acting like India is using something different than bombing a bunch of mudslims as well
we need 2 maybe 3 trillion military budget
Uh, ghost of kiev? thank you very much!
DESU not much of a milestone, Poo-filled cockpits fare poorly against highly trained and motivated Pakis. Say what you will about Pakis, they are 100X better than Poos.
This makes sense lmao. I guess the dalits that manage to get into the airforce get the mig21?
This sounds right. modern air war is more about missiles and radar than anything an aircraft can actually DO. the "my jet beats yours in a dogfight" conversation is kinda worthless
the technology was licensed for production by china
other technologies transferred include
exporting military technology to china
israeli contractors were engaged to provide the aerodynamic and structural outlines for the j-10
the israeli influences on the j-10 are unmistakable
tech stolen by kikes and sold off to chinks
lesson: never trust a kike, never trust a chink
How did the pilot survive a direct hit from an air to air missile?
In my book he crashed on his own out of panic and ejected before hitting ground.
Uh oh stinky...poopie
Die pajeets die.
Both jets and jeets.
SAAR
DO NOT
NOT<
REDEEM THE JET
SAAAAAAAAR
when chinks rip off your jet plans thanks to treacherous kike spies
when a jeet flies a jet
Based China
It's just India. They are just being the disruptors of BRICS and the sooner they thrown out the faster BRICS heals.
It's never about the hardware, just like countries
They had Meteors, but the Rafale radar can't make use of its range while Pakistan could due to Chinese AWACS Support that maximizes the PL-15 potential.
jeets are one of the most competent people in recorded history, sorry to say, it's the plane.
F4Es and F15Es are actually good planes
Based street shitters educating the rest of the world in what not to do.
This is a prime example of why all of America was laughing and goading Euros during the "drop America, rearm Europe with European arms" push two months ago. Chinese arms are inferior to two-generation-obsolete US arms. That European craft are outmatched against them means Euro-arms are inferior to three-generation-obsolete US arms.
Here's to hoping you Euros enjoy the tax spike for your attempts at bringing a military up to 2000 standards even though we're still 25 years ahead of that.
You absolute memeflaggot. Brics is two first, two second, and one third world country.
Why make fun when down?
Pilot error, you're still good
just a little friendly bant bro, it's part of the game, you can make fun of us once china nukes us
In modern air warfare the first( and often the only) thing that matters is BVR engagements, despite the quality of the platforms involved.
Yes it's the missiles that matter.
Thank you shitty 'journalist'.
I will not. Pinoys are bros.
Pakistanis should ask for refund from China. We are capturing intact PL-15s here.
Rafale's first flight was 1986.
J-10's was 1998-ish, but of course the Chinks are years behind anyone else's aerospace tech.
Seriously, this comes down to quality of pilots, and the Indians are shit-tier in everything they do. I hope the Pakis push their shit in.
The F-22 is the only aircraft that has shot down a Chinese balloon, you kathoey-fucking imbecile.
The only countermeasure we know is zero radar signature, and it's incredibly hard to achieve. So far, nobody really master it, so 100% of all fighter jets in the world are basically sitting ducks.
[laughs in F-35 and B-21]
Kek more copium French nigger. You jets can’t fight against 2 gen Chinese jets. Instead you call rafale as 4.5 gen or even 5th gen and think it can btfo’d j 20. Kek
TOTAL CHINESE VICTORY.
You just know that if it were the other way around i.e. Indian jets shooting down J10s and JF17s, pol would be dunking on China so hard right now. KEK stay mad.
What are teh first-world ones, South Africa and Brazil?
There is no quality of pilots when their jets have generations gap. Rafale is aiming to J20 and euroniggers are thinking J20 as incompetent 5th gen and take Russian jets as something more competitive. Meanwhile both of their jets get destroyed by 2th gen J10c from China. Kek
jews hate chinks
That means they doing things right.
kek the seethe is so bad in Bharat Bob.
implying those are stealthy jets
lmao, you are in for a surprise once the chinks rape your $8 gigakikellion scamplane with Sonic the hedgehog missiles from Gandzhou
You are literally inventing things in your mind, private Gonzalez. On top of having zero readin comprehension, that's great.
Just in time to justify buying anything but Rafales
Which country are you VPNing in from?
Yes. India, no surprise, is the third world country.
I’m not. I’m laughing at how incompetent euroniggers are. 700 million of pure stock europoors can’t win against 1.4 billion peasant chinks. Kek muh white supremcy . No I think China is more superior than euroniggers now.
Bharat
this has the be the gayest forced meme name of all time. Might as well have named the country Greater ShitLand.
Russia alone can take out europe. You have weak allies.
I've questioned this with modern liquid fuel propelled crafts.
I wonder, like a fleet of older p51's with NO radar, and the addition of radar absorbing material over titanium how they'd hold up? No radar? Radar guided missiles = worthless. And if constructed out of titanium, would help shield heat against heat seekers.
I wonder if the more advanced jets, would even be able to see them? If not, It'd be visual / visual only. In which case, it's more of a battle instead of slaughter from 100 miles away.
I get that jets are much faster. But with modern advancements, propeller engines can get much more power than then. So, the p51's would be even more faster than before AND MUCH MORE AGILE...especially at slow/stall speeds.
AFAIR the only shoot-down of any U.S. stealth fighter was the Serbian shootdown of the F-117, and that was only possible because the idiots who were planning the missions sent them over the exact same route at the exact same time every night for days. Some smart Serb battery commander noooooticed that and spammed missiles into that airspace at the time he figured the planes would be in his killbox.
I've been to Brazil, you'd have to be mentally retarded to call it first world. Its OK, but holy shit man.
Russia can't even take out Ukraine after three years. At the rate of their current Great Advances in Donbas, they'll reach the Polish border some time around 2150.
Russia unless they are going extinct willingly they will never take Europe. I suggest Japan and South Korea have more capabilities than Europe in military but Russia is just a nuclear terrorist. Without that, they will get btfo’d by Ukrainians.
Brain dead nigger retard. Russia is destroying the ukrainian NATO army. No need to push for land quickly. USA and NATO are suffering a total defeat on the ukraine and Russia only had to partially mobilize
Russia is defeating you and the rest of NATO on the ukraine as we speak. That is why global power is shifting so hard since the SMO.
Russia is not a good guy. The fact that all European countries aren’t good guys either. Only China is the good guy in today’s world.
Three Worlds is based solely on Cold War alliances. Switzerland is a Third World country, retard.
Even the stealthiest jets aren't completely invisible to radar, and a prop plane would be even less stealthy since as far as I know there's no way to mask a propeller's RCS. You'd end up with massive disadvantages in BVR combat, not avoid it.
your definition sucks jew cocks, buddy.
What the hell is a Borat?
The ghost of kiev is now fighting for Pakistan.
Jeets type like retarded anime characters monologuing. It’s so cringe and embarrassing.
Kek china worst plane J10 won 2-0 against french best plane Rafale. Frog bros your response?
Someone who hates the Uzbekis
You may draw your own conclusions on Alfred Sauvy, but just try to avoid the terms.
jeets spent $7.41bn for 26 rafales, $285M cost per unit
Both
So how many dogfights did the Rafale win since it was introduced into service up until now?
Hard mode: versus dedicated fighters/fighter bombers.
Sells war equipment
It failed because it was used in war.
I'm also selling French war equipment.
Never used, dropped only once.
it's 6:0 tho. US cucked out and can only confirm it's 2:0 kek
Nobody wants your testes.
Is the US not selling jets to India or is India not buying?
I'd want to see Chinese vs. US jets.
well, US then will broke their relationship with pakistan
there is one confirmed F16 being shot down by pajeets tho.
Why would the US have a relationship with Pakistan? Trump called India the US's "best" trade partner, and they want to align themselves with India (think QUAD) against China.
because pakistan can hold pajeets in South Asia. In fact US supported pakistand and bangladash both to war with india. China is another thing but i guess US now will just make this a proxy war between China and US soon. I can't wait to see the results as pajeets failed every mission they had.
& you NATO fags will keep sucking kike dick when Bibi tells you to, cope harder faggot
Everyone makes fun of it but it seems pretty meaningless to me desu. Too small a sample.
Most countries are pretty rusty at "real" wars. That is, when the opponent can actually defend itself.
Everything goes wrong at first.
Something very complex like an aircraft can only be evaluated over a longer period.
The most important thing is that you don't give up making your own weapon systems I think.
Why not both?
pakistan has been an extremely unreliable ally. the whole bin laden thing really sold the idea that they are just a bunch of goatfucking sandniggers
unfortunately india is also intolerable
Videogames taught me the Rafale is a jobber aircraft.
I think the Su30 can't fire the storm shadow. but if they managed to fit into su24 I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Su30.
You're saying we need to get closer to the ol' factory where they make the Dassault Rafale, to find out if what they thought was a loud and violent wind breaking the peace is deadly, or just a sneaking stinker with sticker shock?
If you're in Europe, and you're fighting French pilots, do not assume you're facing the same plane. There's a 50/50 that Indians shot down their own planes, and another 75/25 that even if Pakistan actually hit Indian planes, with anything, it was because the Indians suck at thinking in 3D without being able to see it.
Now, how that translates to Pakis, is probably near equal, so it probably means that the Pakis got their shots off first, which might mean better piloting, or might mean better radar work, or both.
CHINESE-MADE FIGHTER SHOT DOWN INDIAN JETS
If you say Chinese made for the paki jets, say french made for the indian ones
It isn't just them. Westoids are used to their sandbox wars where wort thing they had to face is rock anti air that they forgot what actual war is like
Everything goes wrong at first.
This is amazingly true about war. No matter how many plans you make, it all goes to shit and takes months to get a decent momentum. Until then, everyone is dying like retards.
Australia absolutely dominates in audio technology. Spy tech, listening devices, etc.
ha
This is Microsoft flight simulator slop isn't it
The ghost of kiev bullshit all over again
it isn't fault of frenchsissy engineering because jet was piloted by Rajesh IT Tech
How much training do Indian air force pilots get each year?
How much training do Pakistani air force pilots get each year?
Something we might want to consider before we blame the quality of the planes in this skirmish.
If you ever want to get an idea of the Jeet's massive misplaced sense of importance on the world stage, see this post:
no one knows what 'bharat' is, no one has ever heard of it, no one is even going to bother finding out.
Are the guys who make the Rafale the same guys who make Solidworks?
Jeets have a massively undeserved ego, and any appearance or perception of power goes straight to their average 70iq heads.
Fair
Apparently it can't even do that right anymore.
one of your countrymen once wrote on a thread related to this very topic:
Is the toilet to blame for the street shitting in India?
t. dumbest kike
That was the old definition, but then the Cold War ended and people retasked the phrases to mean new things.
What does Australia have?
Fuck all these days, but we were embarrassing GM for decades when we still made cars.
see picrelated
India was a Soviet client state during the Cold War. They buy their shit from the Russians, and nowadays the Eurofags.
Pakistan was a U.S. "ally" during the Cold War. It wasn't until India developed nuclear weapons, causing the Pakis to develop their own nuclear weapons, that the U.S. cut them off at all -- and then during the Afghanistan War the U.S. needed Pakistan again so we sucked their dicks until they let us use their territory for our military shit.
India has always been a dogshit "partner" for anyone they "partnered" with. Even nowadays, they "buy" Russian oil (refusing to follow the 2022 sanctions against Russia), but they do it with their own shit-covered paper currency that they don't allow to be exchanged outside of India, so they are basically still fucking Russia over by forcing Russia to buy Indian garbage in exchange for the oil.
[Pakis] are just a bunch of goatfucking sandniggers
So much this. Their intelligence agency, the ISI, is totally out of control of their government. The ISI does whatever it wants, even if it fucks over their country.
This is why I love this war soooooo much. I hope the Pakis and Poos nuke the shit out of each other.
FUCK YOU BLOODY BENCHOD BASTARD
It's not that the pakis had superior jets, it's just that the euro jets were being piloted by poos. Poos could be flying F35s and still be shot down.
Letting fecal bacteria fly doesn't count at all.
This is the equivalent of giving two toddlers a smith & wesson and a Taurus, and then deciding that one is better based off who shoots who.
There's nothing to be gained from observing India or Pakistan fly these planes. No data points will be important. You're better off just guessing.
There's also a 50/50 chance the jeet just fell out of the sky and the pakis took credit.
they sank their own sub
tkd
sank their own sub
That's generally how subs work, yes.
But it's the french shit that got shot down, but chinkshit planes no less lmao.
This. French bros, you should be simultaneously relieved that this is more about a country with an average 80 IQ piloting your jets, but also ashamed that you sold it to them for some easy curry shekels.