This

This.

Automation and economy growth should have 'trickled down' by now.

The workers are being scammed, and we must take our dues with force!

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Women shouldn't be working anyway.
They should either be in their father's house or in their husband's house.

Most people shouldn't be working, we already have enough wealth and automated production for UBI.

Automation and economy growth should have 'trickled down' by now.

It did. People in higher-end establishments are making as much waiting tables as someone with a Master's degree. The strength of the service sector is proof that trickle down works, but guys here don't have the social skills to work in it.

minimum wage is the threshold between legal work and slavery. it is not a metric for how much honest work ought to earn

It’s amazing how stupid these people are. It’s not a living wage/minimum wage issue. It’s an inflation/gold standard issue.

MAGA also says that illegals/immigrants undercut wages. No. Not true. The reality is it’s impossible to pay the inflation adjusted wages of 1960 where any idiot could work any job and own a house with 4 kids and his wife raising them.

if the minimum wage becomes 55 bucks I will drop my high stress job where I keep a bank's IT infrastructure running and just swipe some leaves of the side walks or whatever.
I don't see any point in doing this to myself it I end up getting the same reward as someone who puts in basically zero effort. might as well go for the zero effort route too then

Literally completely correct but Anon Babble is full of boomercon faggots now.

Retarded argument. By your logic, since the buying power of minimum wage is less than it was in 1980, modern minimum wage workers are equivalent to slaves by 1980 standards. And this is somehow okay?

Irrelevant to that twat's post - I agree that min. wage is the threshhold, however, consider that the min. wage SHOULD be about as high as that post is stating. The only conclusion is that our current minimum wage is, indeed, well below the threshhold of what deliniates legal work from slavery, i.e. we're paid less than slave wages these days.

if you think $3/hr is 1980 is equivalent to $100k salary today then you should be tortured to death for being retarded.

Less than 700k people in a country of over 330 million make the federal minimum wage. It's simply not a worthwhile discussion point anymore. If you can only make minimum wage, you're a net negative on society and should go ahead and self-delete.

And you should. The knock on effect would be that your bank's IT department would then be forced to raise their wages to match, or else lose all their employees to raking leaves. You wouldn't be making $55 at that IT job, you'd be making $150+.

When accounting for inflation: it was. It literally was. Stop being a retarded fucking boomer.

Wrong you are just a lazy entitled commie faggot. Get a skill start s business crybaby

and in exchange my 200k of investments which I built up over the years got turned worthless over night.
no thanks, fuck that shit. it's just lazy bums trying to steal more for themselves by invalidating the work of everyone else that has been performed in the past.
if anything like this happens, I am out and will watch the whole shit collapse. maybe I even get to watch these fuckers starve to death before the consequences reap me, too

Stocks shouldn't be valuable. Currency should be valuable. Fucking retard.

The last few decades have seen the greatest robbery of wealth from the lower & middle classes to the upper class in history. ((you know who)) are using the billions they've plundered from the worker to fund the shillbots who keep shrilly posting about how America "loses" if we take those jobs back that Wall Street has outsourced so they could pocket the difference. And pocket the mark-ups. And pocket everything. The Free Trade neocons and neo-cohens robbed the West blind and become billionaires & trillionaires by doing so.

The money supply increasing 18x doesn't mean buying power decreased by that much
Even on the gold standard new gold was mined and currency issued.

the "but $15/hr is too much crowd" is dead silent now that food prices are still going up despite kiosks and other automation in place, wages have not gone up either.

Growth in the supply of labor, you dumb communist leafnigger.

you truly believe that a teen flipping burgers in 1980 had the same spending power as someone making $100k today? kill yourself you braindead faggot

I paid 120k for a 2 bedroom condo 2 years ago, today it's worth 180k.
In 1980 it was worth about 10k. So yeah, considering that dwellings have basically done a 18x since then, the math works pretty much perfectly. The thing that doesn't work is that minimum wage did a 5x while housing did an 18x.

Food prices are cheap it's restaurants that are expensive because wages are too high and productivity too low in America

You are a complete nigger cattle. You have had the world stolen from you and you defend the people who have stolen it. You are fucking pathetic.

I would argue it's self-righteous, entitled assholes who think their "investments" *should* be worth anything. Investments are kike trickery; it is labor that has actual value. With respect: fuck your investments, your people are homeless and starving and yet you want to whine and cry about "muh investments" any time someone proposes a solution to the suffering of your people. You're pathetic. This is why the younger generations can't fucking wait until the Boomers all die off.

People need to realize you will never have anything trickle down or improvements in the average workers quality of life with a Stock Market in your society. EVERYTHING is done for the betterment of the Stock Market and shareholders that's it no one else. This is also why instead of raising wages/benefits people are told to instead just invest harder into guess what the Stock Market.

Centering everything around investing and shareholder profits has destroyed the economic system in not just the US but multiple other countries as well.

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You go first.

Cry more incel in 20 years you will have a new excuse why you are a loser

Women can be teachers, nurses, librarians, seamstresses, etc. They shouldn't be required to work, though.

Wrong, everyone in America can get rich off the stock market you are just lazy and have zero time preference like a nigger, you earned your poverty

Browns destroy any hope of a stable economy.

He actually cares about what's best for the common good, rather than just himself. I wish more people were like him, we'd put people like you in the ovens.

everyone in America can get rich off the stock market

LOLOLOL imagine believing this. Is the Stock Market now a magical force that can make everyone rich even though it has never happened before in the Stock Markets entire history. In fact when it came to the GameStop stocks the Stock Market was shut down and rules passed to deliberately keep people from making more money. They did this because a small group of people were making money so if they did this against a small groupd you believe that all of America would be allowed to make a lot of money just because.

it's not a matter of belief

Anon I hate to be the one to tell you this but every society on earth is going to keep getting worse until violent collapse resets it back to the conditions it was in in the 1800s and no amount of tiny economic pivots is going to stop that from occuring.

Too many laborers

Well that statement suggests a rather obvious solution.

Automation is meant to suppress wages not increase it, don't be silly.

lol no. 82% of all stocks are owned by the top 20% of earners. most people can't afford to invest money into the markets, let alone just "let it sit" for decades.

If he worked 40 hours a week? Yes.

They did. We all know you're a jew covering his people's tracks. Never forgetting the hack, you're all Israelis and CIA glowniggers. Your time is at an end, NIGGER HEIL HITLER ALL MY NIGGAS NAZIS NIGGA HEIL HITLER

Investments have no value

You invest in a lathe to exponentially increase the value of 1000 men's labor.

I hope nobody takes shills like this seriously. The gold standard is a DISASTER for regular people who don't own gold. It's why we got rid of it.

The problem has NOTHING to do with inflation. It is entirely a problem of distribution. You had half of the economic activity in the world shut down with covid, plenty of "money printing", and while you had inflation spikes, it wasn't anything remotely approaching the fearmongering scenarios of Weimar or Austria-Hungary.

A woman needs to spend her teenage years finding a husband, having children, and raising them.
Anything that distracts from this or fails to adequately encourage it is degeneracy of the highest order and leads almost instantly to the death of the society in question.

How many immigrants were coming in the country per year in 1980? I'll help you out. The foreign born population in 1980 made up only 5% of the population. In 2025, the foreign born population is 15% of the population.

modern minimum wage workers are equivalent to slaves by 1980 standards

Quite literally, yes. yes they are

XYZ was a disaster for regular people

That's why less than one lifetime after removing it society became a vision of hell on earth

Lmao

Even native born browns are a net drain on the economy well into six figures per head.

Didn't read the thread.

To all the boomers and "epic tradesmen" who are definitely seething below OP, you can also agree to cut all costs of things like housing by 50% or more, while simply raising min wage to 12 dollars an hour (a 50% increase, the first in 20 years) and that would also be acceptable, as it would put wage pressure on non-min wage jobs to raise their wages too.

But I'm sure you'd make up a reason why housing dropping to only 250k average from 500k would be bad and why it's better that millennials have been progressively priced out by tax hikes and wage stagnation of ever owning literally anything of value (and fake stats about how 45yo "millennials" born in 1979 own houses, so anyone born after 1990 should go fuck themselves).

I make about 25 an hour, so a 50% increase in wages and 50% decrease in costs would be beneficial for me, for reference.

Are you retarded or something? You had crashes left and right under the gold standard. Gold shills literally removed silver from the currency exchange because poor people started coming into it. This is what the "bimetallism" push in the late 19th century was about.

Goldbugs are useless parasites, very jewish and jewish-adjacent. There's no gold standard is China, there was no gold standard in Japan, no gold standard in Germany. You people are a broken record with no evidence on your side.

The real reason American society got worse is because of the behavior of the capitalist class, not mystical properties you assign to metal.

Not quite 100k, but damn near 70k. Yes, that is factually correct, that is how bad inflation has destroyed the lower and middle class. If you can't believe or understand that, you are the most retarded niggerfaggot in this thread, and that's saying a lot.

modern minimum wage workers are equivalent to slaves by 1980 standards

I mean, yeah, pretty much.
Most people today don't work to save and get ahead, they work to not be homeless and aren't able to save in the first place.
The average person doesn't even have $1000 saved for emergencies.

Inflation has nothing to do with it -- it's simply because of the money being created, they aren't seeing enough of it.

No he's an excuse making loser

I got rich off the stock market sorrynotsorry you expect riches on day one and believe those dumb gme stories,

most people can't afford to invest money into the markets, l

But they can afford Starbucks, funkopops, apartments buy themselves vacations to Tahiti and crying on incel forums 12 hours per day right?

Get a skill loser, start a business 15 hours a week at McDonald's isn't enough

McDonald's shift managers were buying multi story homes with multi car garages and filling them confortably

And this motherfucker is crying about his "investments". I'm dirt poor but I still try to give where I can. That's what "charity" means. If some broke faggot like me in the gutter can afford to tip his bartender more than 10%, some asshole with "investments" can tip more. But he doesn't, he cries because his "investments are going to crater". Yes, they are. Your investments are part of the reason shit is so fucked.

This is a national socialist board. Socialist. Uncle Addy would throw people like you into the camps without a moment's hesitation. Fucking shameful, dude.

YOU WONT DO SHIT GOY

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

i read it in an incel thread it must be true

You are a parasite

I'm broke and drink alcohol

Lmao

house prices dropping would be bad

Of course it would, for them - they spent a ton of money on houses as "investments" rather than for their intended purpose: to house a family raising children. House prices dropping would devastate them because they're speculators (translation: economic leeches). Its only natural that a parasite is going to have a problem with making their parasitism more difficult.

Innovation affected things unevenly. Houses are half a million dollars now meanwhile TVs are $100.

I'm going to further prove the guy's accusations about me being self-righteous and greedy

Thanks man, I appreciate your proving my point.

its so bad zoom zoomers don't even believe Gen X when they tell them of the incredible sights and wonders they witnessed first hand in the 80's and 90's

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If I told you the U.S. used to have publicly shown space shuttles instead of compartmentalized militarized space classification you would probably call me insane as well.

What was your point besides you are a lazy shitbag who is a burden on society?

”Invest in your future slavery on the Jew market”Shalom

Other explanation is resource depletion and industrializing the 3rd world

Why both bitcoin and hybrid rice flavour science projects are important

Study lasers, get better version of bitcoin and eventually we'll turn sand into fertilizer and make power at the same time

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its going to trickle down

IN YOUR FAT RETARD FACE NIGGA YOU WONT GET SHIT TRICKLE THIS

That the burden on society is actually you.

But, hey, I ain't gonna do shit about it, so why concern yourself, right? I'm just some nobody, I couldn't possibly be representative of a change in the national zeitgeist or anything. Continue ignoring me, please do. That worked out quite well for the royals in France back in the 1800s

adjust for population and subtract dollars overseas.

That's actually correct.
this as well
and this, but "UBI" is being retarded. UBI is literally slavery. Once you depend on the state you're dead in the water. Very simply you should get your 55$ per hour and all capital gains should be taxed a flat % with a solid anti-trust, tariff and immigration system. If the currency wasn't manipulated you'd take 55$ per hour and/or housing would be an order of magnitude cheaper. Then everyone will benefit from technology without being enslaved to the state.

I remember the 70s that's how i know all your boomers got rich working McDonald's stories are bs

The problem with leftists that demand higher wages is they support all the things that cause wages to be low such as women in work place and mass immigration

Oh no the homeless retard is gonna lead a revolution by crying nonstop on the white incel loser forum.

Lmao glad I got rich and can live anywhere away from homeless filth

A dozen eggs costs $9
A lb of ground beef costs $7
A lb of potatoes is $7
A single stalk of broccoli is $4
A bell pepper is $4
An onion is $2

Food prices are completely fucked here. This is what happens when you let food companies trade publicly on the stock market and become beholden to shareholder primacy.

Yep these losers are crying that mcchickens are $5 but they demanded $15 an hour for a $5 job

Eggs are $2 moron no need to read the rest

divide wages per hour of labor

don't divide total money supply by hour of labor

Lmao no equivocation

You are fucking brown, in the 70s your nation was a god damned third chicken coop rivaling north korea. Hell it still is. How the fuck are you even posting here Eduardo?

All of this is wrong

normalize for population change and you might have a point

USA was top dog in 1980.
Now even the Chinese make better cars.
Has-beens don't get 55.80 as minimum wage

I suffered so everyone else after me has to suffer as well, it's only fair

worker can make 100 mcchickens an hour easily

if you pay him $10 the mcchickens cost $2

if you pay him $20 the mcchickens cost $5

doesn't add up

Lmao the incel switches from being an expert on boomers to an expert on peru and north korea, still a broke loser though despite his expertise in everything

Lmao no way you could make that many, Millenials and zoomers are lazy

I got rich off the stock market sorrynotsorry you expect riches on day one and believe those dumb gme stories

Kek