Anon Babble will defend this

Anon Babble will defend this

get paid to mine gold and give it to the boss

WTF, WHY AM I MINING GOLD AND GIVING IT TO THE BOSS??!?!

good bootlicker

Yet no one else finds the capital fo do it without them

they either fund the prospecting or buy the rights from those who did. they fund the construction of all the infrastructure required to get at the gold and transport it to market. they pay the miners a wage to which the miners agree in return for their labor.

its not complicated commie.

Who's paying for it all?

the irony is when workers seize the means of production, then production goes to zero

Holy shit that sounds awesome. Why isn't everyone a mine owner?

The mine owners own the ore, not the gold itself

Well if it's so easy, go and open a gold mine yourself durrrrrr.
What??? You need to risk your own capital for speculative business ventures? You're telling me that resource extraction is not a guaranteed return?

You don't have to work for the mine owner, but you are mad about property laws in general I assume.

Show me the mine where some lads with pickaxes bored even 100 feet into bedrock.

(((Some weird alchemy)))

with a small group of compatriots they signed a deal with to split it.

Hmm, and what if there was a compatriot who didn’t have the funds to invest but was willing to contribute his labor in return for a smaller amount of money from the more wealthy compatriots?

Fuck the plutocrat and the workers. The gold needs to go to the state for civilizational scale projects.

anyone can get some gold mining equipment and go mining for gold, forget working for some rich land owner

Would you be ok with working for free for a share of the profits? Or are you insisting on getting a wage AND receiving profits? Are you investing any money into the project to get it up and going? Are you a stupid commie retard?

exactly.

Anon Babble will defend this

Anon Babble regularly defends private property rights.
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Am a boer an my papa owned an emerald mine. THis offends me a lot.

Miners can buy shares in the company if they want a share in the profits beyond their wages.

Pay back your debt, Greece.

Only absolute brainlets do not understand the basic structure of a job
I give the cleaning lady a key to my house so she can clean, that does not mean she is allowed to steal my TV just because she wiped it clean.

No, they actually don't own shit. They are just people in charge, people who fund shit and people who own shit are two different group of people.

Capitalism and the slavery of interests were a Jewish invention, to enslave and divide white people as white people are by nature competitive, but the greed and control of the jew twisted our people. Even Hitler was compromised and killed Gregor Strasser, urning the nationalist movement into a capitalistic one.

White labourers and white owners should work in harmony hand in hand, with the guiding light of the state as the beacon for a bright future for a nation and a race. A miner is due the gold he mines, as is the owner which provided the equipment that the miner uses, and as is the rest of your nation.

well, the meme specified 'mine owners', so clearly they do own shit. if you're talking about management level personnel employed ti run the place then perhaps you're right, though of course those people may have options to buy into the company too. sometimes people take a portion of their salary in shares, for example

bu-but you signed a contract! that's all that matters!

kys kike

i guess the idea of simply not consenting to things you dont want to do as never occurred to you? thats the kind of choice which people living under communist regimes tended not to have, funnily enough.

Mine owners got everything started. Without them there is nothing.

They presumably also paid for everything to be done. Everyone that did anything was paid to do it.

wow are you saying that i can choose between starving to death or signing the contract? FREEDOM!
K-Y-S K-I-K-E

Cuckolds. Your grandfather's had better lives because they forced it with threat of violence. You will own nothing and be happy about it because you are grinning cuckolds for Billionaires of a particular ethno-religion.

well it's private property, the basis of capitalism, karl

without the workers getting the gold out of the ground, there is nothing

so your only option is working in a mine that you think doesn't pay well? theres really nothing else you can do, nowhere else you can move yourself to? come on commie, thats a very very abnormal situation to be in these days.

and you know what...if you're that unskilled and poor in the first place that you cant walk to another place to find a job, sometimes in life you have accept shitty conditions. thats just the fucking way like can be sometimes and the sooner you quit thinking you are above it all because of how awesome you are, the better.

and you're a fucking moron.

Anon Babble is comprised by many temporarily embarrassed millionaires

During the gold rush, the person who struck the gold was the mine owner. He then got to hire his fill of labor.

Normies get a guaranteed meager wage and they like it that way. Fear of taking a loss is baked into human psychology. It takes a lot to overcome.

It’s called property rights

sure, but un or low skilled labor is easily replaceable while investors taking risks on mining claims, competent management and knowledgeable engineers etc are much less so.

thats just how it is. unskilled workers are free to accept the offered pay or not.

and thats fine. we are not all the same person with the same abilities. the problems really start when the least capable people get the idea in their heads that they can run the factory and get stirred up enough by nasty little commie faggots to get violent about it. those little commie faggots always want to be the boss, you ever notice that?

pay a carpenter to make the framing of my house

pay a mason to lay the foundation of my house

pay a plumber to run pipes

pay an electrician to run wire

pay a painter to paint

pay a roofer to roof

Ahh, finally. House is done. Time to enjoy the new house I paid for.

painter and electrician run into my house and kill me for it

they did work on it therefore it belongs to them

They own the land, from which it is mined upon.
Assuming that they have paid people to do said jobs. Then Yes, it does belong to them.

he won't

I believe it

These are called "laws" and are something that retarded peasant subhumans don't understand. You want violence to be the only law, and every miner fights all the other miners to the death to see who "owns" the gold? Then anyone else who wants the gold can come up and murder the owner at any time, then they own the gold until they get murdered? This is called acting like a nigger.

You all act like you don't want laws and want might-makes-right anarchy, but you're all pussies that would fucking die or be faggot slaves if that happened anyway.

So go live in the fucking woods by yourself with your superior ideals, retarded faggot. The rest of us have to figure out the best ways to live in a productive, strong society.

I got out of crypto swing trading because my bitch ass does not have diamond hands. People that have this ability to withstand loss, deserve to reap the fruits of their risk taking. It ain’t me and I am honest enough to admit that I do not deserve undeserved riches and rewards for risks I was never willing to take.

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you know what to do

he doesn't own mines

ngmi

(((Mining corporations))) will extract and process the ore, pollute the shit out of the area, cash most of the profits then go (((bankrupt))) when there is no more ore, leaving the mess for the taxpayers to clean.
Every. Single. Time.

Notice the trap the rootless global capitalists lay ITT: they try to equate your right to a private property (owning your home) to their "owning" of speculative capital interests. They're trying to swindle you by telling you that your home is the same as them moving their capitals and speculating across multiple countries, so that you will die for them if anyone try to reform this.

Commies and capitalists need to face the same wall.

Where'd they get their capital? Oh that's right, Jewish banks create it from thin air. Hmmm

Globohomo White genocide is strong society

Kek ok Shlomo, hope your ready for the real shoah

You mine sixteen tons. And what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt.

Back in that guy's day, the mine owner often was the one who found the gold. They'd hike up into the mountains, find a plot, claim it, work it themselves until they had enough gold to get capital investments in the mine to really start working it (to buy the machines, hire workers, get buyers set up, etc). The risk during all this would be all on him at this point, versus the workers he hires, who just show up to work and could leave at a whim.

today, while mines aren't really something you just go and find anymore and even if you did, there's so much government regulation around that stuff that you would be hard pressed to do anything with it besides sell it to an existing company, so the argument might be stronger thanks to socialism. But these days most veins and deposits are found by companies investing monster money in locating and accessing resources, so it would still be mainly the companies 'finding ' the mines.

who owns the land and equipment though ? and would the miner go work and buy equipment and land rights and sell the gold himself ?

Thank you for sticking up for the poor billionaires kamraden

haber estudiado

Almost none of those struck it rich, often when they found gold they'd sell the rights to their "mine" to someone who could actually get to it.
Then they'd go and waste that profit because they don't know what they are doing

one big union
proud card-carrying member of the wobblies reporting in
i uh lost my card though and haven't attended a meeting in somthing like 17 years. i don't think the chapter near me is still active. we tried to organize the jimmy johns workers, if anyone still remembers that campaign.
BUT! spiritually i am still a member

this is the gayest argument for capitalism and even you, as a dog-sucking leaf, should treat this line of reasoning and all its cousins as inherently shameful and degrading

btw this is why credit unions are necessary and there has to be an economic component to all political movements. one thing the IWW never got too much into, community currencies

you wont do shit, you never did shit, you never will do shit

Why do you think you have a right to own a chunk of the finite earth. Do you make it?

ah, the classic, if i am poor it is because i am jealous, and if i am not it is because an hypocrite. the chuddy cannot understand that people may have principles beyond their self-interests.

just like has happened in cuba after the embargo right

Get a load of this globalist! Guess we can't have nations and anything else. Better forcefully integrate everyone into a brown blob. Your flag is fitting.

To the people arguing against this, you're wrong because there's no such thing as "voluntary" contracts.

YOU WILL DIE WITHOUT WORKING FOR SOMEONE.

You can only have voluntary contracts in a socialist country - a welfare country. You can't be taken advantage of if you can tell them to fuck off and continue living comfortably.

You won't do shit

OH HASHEM PLEASE NEVER FORGET THE LOLOCAUST WEVE ONLY BEEN PERSECUTED FOREVER BY EVERYONE!!!

I suppose the last 109 times didn't happen either, huh foreskin muncher

Why does this always get lost in the conversation? American workers used to routinely chimp out when they didn't get what they wanted. They'd burn businesses down over low wages.

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you'll die anyways, thus negating your point

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[Chorus]
Dig it oh oh oh dig it Nigger
Dig it oh oh oh Nigger
Dig it oh oh oh dig it Nigger
Dig it oh oh oh yeah Nigger

[Verse]
Take a Nigger make him dig five feet.
The dirt and shovels will give Niggers the beat.
Okay you got to find somethin' you never found before.
If not, we'll just have to let these Niggers dig some more.
You got to go jew! Nigger dig those holes!

[Chorus]
Dig it oh oh oh dig it Nigger
Dig it oh oh oh Nigger
Dig it oh oh oh dig it Nigger
Dig it oh oh

[Verse]
Two Niggers, two jews in bodybags.
I got no respect 'cause I'm the aryan man.
Got my shovel Niggers, shoes full of sand.
Check out the tag the name's Nigger killer 88 uh

[Chorus]
Dig it oh oh oh dig it Nigger
Dig it oh oh oh Nigger
Dig it oh oh oh dig it Nigger
Dig it oh oh oh yeah Nigger

[Verse]
You got to go jew, Nigger dig those holes.
Broken ovens and a withered jew.
He's emaciated, from all of you know.
You got to go jew, Nigger dig those holes.
Your Nigger hands may blister.
Your muscles stay sore.
You want a break?
Knock on Adolf Hitler's door!

[Electric Guitar Solo]

[Chorus]
Dig it oh oh oh dig it Nigger
Dig it oh oh oh Nigger
Dig it oh oh oh dig it Nigger
Dig it oh oh oh yeah Nigger

If you own the land you own what's in it.

It’s because they offer to pay you to do all those things, and then you accepted that deal

So where's your gold mine?

my gold mine is being naturally incredibly talented at swe

Is that a euphemism for my butthole?

The Negroes do not find the welfare, they do not harvest the welfare, they do not process the welfare, but by some weird alchemy all the welfare belongs to them.

purchase the land

including the land itself, not just an arbitrary square

hire people to process your property into another state

"wtf, why do you own the land we're processing?"

Part of me wants to like the idea of unions in the sense that I don't think monopolistic power structures tend to lead to anything good, but every time I hear a pro-Union viewpoint it's the dumbest most entitled whinging bullshit that I want all unions publicly executed.

i bought land that might have gold in it

i paid a guy to find the gold

i paid a guy to mine the gold

i paid a guy to mill the gold

some greek faggot thinks I'm evil because I hired people to work for me

what is the mine owner supposed to do in this situation? he owns the mineral rights to the land that he paid for and the employees do work that they agreed to do and get paid for it

It's in their name but people own their asses. Today it would be banks, back then it would be wealthy people.

You really expect commies to be to understand elementary level economics?

Daily reminder that commies are mental children who don't understand economics or how businesses operate

he owns the mineral rights

This is the problem right here. The fruits of the land should be shared equally between all citizens. Owning natural resources is illegitimate.

It's funny you should use that particular example.
youtu.be/4jUSDgolz7g?feature=shared

Buy your own 2 billion dollar boring drill

At their core, unions are just another company like any other who use these arguments to leverage the strength of labor. It's no different than the company supplying the mine with pick-axes declaring a price hike.
Which is why I think they should stop being treated as their own special thing and be unilaterally considered corporations with all the same rights and limitations as their peers.

anyone owning something has the right to use, abuse, and enjoy the fruit of his asset (usus, abusus, fructus).
deal with it Lenin

Poor retards can not develop, build, and maintain mining equipment

NO, THE GOLD SHOULD BELONG TO ME >:( t. would be aimlessly smacking the ground with a shovel otherwise

If someone didn't own the mine, nobody would

be incentivized to work the mine

have access to the mine

have the equipment paid for to use to work the mine

So, basically, communists would prefer that nobody makes money and nothing gets done in the name of "equality" so that EVERYONE stays poor (except for those at the top, of course, they are more equal than others), and nothing changes.
Good to know that you commie retards still are as fucking stupid as you ever were.

Because they own the land and paid for the mine to be built, something none of the workers could ever dream of affording. Communist entitlement is disgusting. It's amazing you manage to find any followers at all but I guess there are just enough trash people on t b is rock.

Grow up, loser. Tell me more about how you push a button on a machine and deserve 100 percent of the profits for it, dumbass. Nevermind everyone else whi comes before and after you in the chain, jerk. Communists are terri le people and you should feel terrible about it.

the land that he paid for

he's not taking it for free dumbass

The fruits of the land should be shared equally between all citizens. Owning natural resources is illegitimate.

this is a policy that would be abused to no end. This style of "everyone owns everything!" implies that everyone has the best intentions in mind when it comes to the resource they want. This would only work in an incorruptible society which is an impossibility. Private property protects your and your property legally from people who want to take it from you. If I own a radish farm and produce 2 tons of radishes and a person in a truck comes and takes it all from me because "it belongs to the people, not you" then why would I work the field to begin with? I grow radishes and I just got robbed for it

go pick berries and hunt deer in the woods if you want. as for the rest of your post, what a faggot you are.

never

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Jews despise and want to destroy every race that is not their own and even most of their own race because they're the most extreme racial supremacists who have ever walked the earth.
Rich people don't want to lose their money.
If you can't see which one is the main problem then you're an idiot.

Create your own capital from thin air then

You sound angry.

The mine owners are usually more educated and better organized than their underlings. But try telling the average man made of muscle and blood how traditions of authority and trade connections work and he's likely to write you off as boring/stop listening to you. I knew a kid from grade school through early middle age and he was very insecure about only having a highschool diploma. I suggested he study something technical that relates to one of the odd manufacturing jobs he would do sometimes. That he didn't even need to do a full four year program. He looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language. As long as the average working man doesn't care to learn he will be easy labor for those who do.

I think the concern here is that jewish banks unfairly use the power of government to do so, which steals resources from regular people. That's correct, however they are conflating business owners with jewish bankers.

During the gold rush, amateur miners would seek out gold deposits and mine them for themselves if they could

Look up what a "grubstake" was

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If only every worker were a 1 in 100 specialist and educated in trans-feminist marxism, they could all be the richest ice cream machine operator in the work from home office factory.

It's intentional, our ownership class doesn't want us remembering that and deliberately buries it as much as they can.

Although the other problem is that most of the groups that did that kind of shit were ethnically homogeneous (if you had a mine staffed by all Irish they had an easy time whipping up a strike even if they were minorities at the time). So in the modern era it's not only forbidden knowledge to remember that you can just fight people to win good treatment, we're also increasingly incapable of doing so due to a lack of solidarity at the ground level. Those who fight with capital are taking their lives into their hands. You really need to be able to trust the man to your left and the man to your right. If you don't, no revolution. This is known at the upper levels.

If I was Big Bill Haywood's boss I'd be patting him down after every shift to find the gold he's stolen from me

Yeah, why are you? Why don't you pursue that line of questioning a bit more

To put it more simply, for the dumb working-folk out there: Every single person who has a job doing roofing, framing, etc, should be more educated and get a job as an architect or structural engineer instead. Unfortunately they are too stupid to understand that we intellectuals know best.

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and the people who do find, mine, and mill it are paid to do so. dumbfuck. you fucking jackass. you stupid dipshit.

go buy your own land and sort out how to mine it without any help. oh wait you cant do that in communism.

It is called legal theft.
The capitalists are allowed to rob the labor of their employees.
Capitalism is the system where the rich exploit the poor by robbing them with their labor.

God that image is grade A certified kino

because modern americans are heavily propagandized from an early age to believe violence is bad
from media, school, and usually their pussy parents too

Why don't a few of the gold miners slip a few of the nuggets out for themselves? No one would know, right?

False. Under Chairman Mao, the great Chinese people were encouraged to produce metal on their own. The people in their wisdom melted down their cooking pots and their tools, producing a glut of metal.

rob them of their labor

Yes, that's why no one gets paid under Crapitalism, and why workers aren't allowed to leave their jobs, unlike under Communism, where private property and freedom of association are strongly protected.

buys mine

owns tools for the mine

owns contracts to materials in the mine

pays people to mine it for him

It’s not that’s fucking hard to understand
Unions only exist so that workers get fair wages for fair labor and are unique to a capitalist society.

Oh like when Gaddafi did it and the US government overthrew his government and assassinated him? Good times. Enjoy your oven, kike

Actually
Wages are slavery
War is peace
Diversity is strength

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shills will defend this.

I like to turn these posts toward my own ends and make the OPs regret ever making them.

Well in the case of gold, it does make you think, are the owners of the mine paying more than what the gold is worth in wages? Why wouldn't the miners just keep some of gold as payment?

so how much of the gold is supposed to be the miners, the gold finders, and the gold millers
almost like you get paid a share of the value of production representative of your labor

Yugoslavia was too productive actually.

Why wouldn't the miners just keep some of gold as payment?

The owner sells the gold and pays the wages from that. I suppose they could be paid with gold, however, it should follow an established agreement.

jewish think tank

I'll pass

How do they afford to live while they're doing all that unpaid labor?

genetic fallacy

You don't pass, Anon.

Yes, only commies would agree with this sentiment.

Somehow they are doing all this unpaid labor and manage to live off of wages, which are theft of labor. They only accept these terms because Crapitalism doesn't allow them to leave the job or start their own business. These are things I have learned from the geniuses in this thread.

How do you seize the means of production in a service based economy?

Buy a cell phone and a car, I guess. Then you can be a telemarketer, twch support, and cab driver all in one, until the union busts you for not having a license.

OK but how do they actually do it. The video was saying they deserve the profits from any business because they've already put many, many times more unpaid labor into it than any of their paid workers. So how can they even afford to eat while they're working full days for years without being paid?

like picrel

Oh, you mean the *owners*.
The owners often go into debt to keep the business running, which is something mentioned in the video.

The owners took a risk buying the land and paying prospectors to look for gold. Then in order to extract value from the gold they have to employ people and risk paying them regardless of whether they mine enough gold to cover their wages, as well as distribute and negotiate the sale of the gold, maintain machinery, comply with government regulations and a myraid of other necessary functions that don't involve directly mining the gold.

OK I see, any one of their workers would be able to get millions of dollars worth of credit to get that business started, but only the owner filled out the forms to do it.

People are mostly saying that the workers should be getting paid more than they are now, not that they should be getting 100% of all profits, the stuff about taking 100% of profits is almost entirely pushed by communists or owners. The owner would still be getting the most out of everyone involved, it would just be closer to 10x of what the workers make rather than 1000x.

Do the workers want to take on the debt? They are free to just "fill out the forms."

they pay the miners a wage to which the miners agree in return for their labor

Then why do they seethe when all the miners decided they will only agree to work if they get paid more?

The gold was a lie. It was just a debt scheme. The usual suspects.

If the miners don't want to accept those terms, they should be free to do so.
If the business owner wants to hire someone else, they should be free to do so.