China will collapse

I've just finished re-reading this amazing book, and it describes exactly how Chinka will soon collapse.

The demographics, the riots, the complete reliance on trade with the US... all the things people keep talking non stop in any thread with the word "china" on it is here.

I'm not convinced that China is going to collapse. What I see is the USA collapsing and China happily selling to other countries, unburdened by America, China is free to become wealthy as everyone discovers that the USA has been looted 5 million times over in the last 60 years by jews, and all that's left is obligation to work for others, in exchange for no reward. And the Young people would rather die than pledge allegiance to such a system.

Frankly, I see the USA doing all the stuff the Jews have marked for China, unless you're all prepared for a hot kinetic war between USA and China.

You're literally a paid wumao shill if you cannot see that chinka is about to collapse.

Look at how Trump sanctions caused massive riots and almost destroyed the chink party.

Ok Chang

Globally, the Great Depression was an issue of production overcapacity. In the current year, nearly all production capacity has been moved to China. I don't see how this doesn't end badly for China.

One hour left

how Chinka will soon collapse.

any decade now!

Same, producing stuff is easy and anyone can do it, consuming requires people with money. Only the US, and to a much lesser degree Europe have the money to buy Chinese goods.

2 more weeks mulatto bro.

If you want China to collapse, you're going to have to risk all of your 6th generation strike fighters full employment for 5 years, as a start.
youtube.com/watch?v=uMuXQJIfmLI

collapse on Big American Deeeyick

I've been listening to Laowhy and Serpentza and China Uncensored for like a decade now and their whole schtick is about how China is failing and collapsing from corruption. And now honestly it seems like a bunch of bullshit. China has problems but they're a meatgrinder who will sacrifice as many lives as necessary to keep things going. Thinking they will collapse is severely underestimating their ruthlessness.

You've been shown and proven that chinka is filled with corruption for more than a decade, and sunddely now you think it's all fake? I call you a wumao shill for this, you never ever believed chinka was corrupt, once.

complete reliance on trade with the US

lol like what 13-15%?

Those are chink numbers, we must just assume they are fake, the real number is that 80% of chink trade is with the US, and 60% of chink economy is based on exports.

Oh you're doing a bit that's funny. Good one. Just two more weeks

Serpenza was pro-China until like 2016 or so. Whoever his handler is probably told him to dial it back because he was outright promoting migration to China, until recently China basically had no vetting for migrants and you could live there extremely cheap. They ran up a real estate bubble recently and I think they're trying to scare off people from holding now.

This is getting quite ridiculous but one thing can be learned

China made it with CCP

The biggest economic miracle of all times

Never did any harm to the West

West harmed China massively

The west keeps talking about "evil China"

Pretending it cares about millions of dead from famines

But in reality wishing China to collapse, three gorges to flood and kill millions, the economic collapse to produce more famines, China to go back to poverty

Conclusion

West is evil

West is incompetent

West is afraid

Afraid of the proof that communism works. There is nothing your (((elites))) fear more

But how many weeks are left?

Stop being a tard, if what you're saying is true, then socialism works, and we all know socialist never works, lmao.

producing stuff is easy and anyone can do it

It's far too easy, you just use money to built factories and that's it, the real deal is how to have money, and the US has all of it.

National Socialism does.

Works in China

National socialism has ended, chinka is an evil marxist socialist country.

it only works if you believe in fake CPC numbers

I'm not so sure about collapse, it will be more like a slow frizzle out. They have definitely already peaked and are starting to go downwards.

He's being sarcastic you tard. Everything you said is correct, the reason the west hasn't adopted automated factories despite literally inventing them is because unions are corrupt. China's state basically controls all production so they don't have corrupt monopolies getting in the way of implementing factories that would essentially destroy labor rights. Production is very easy with automated factories, China even relies on western contractors to maintain their factories and relies on western R&D. The problem is how corrupt unions and 'socialists' are in the west. There is going to be a communist or natsoc global revolution because of this.

having printed paper is more important than having infrastructure and know-how

Do you really believe that producing dark factories is easy?

if they didn't collapse during the cultural revolution is in the 1960s they aren't going to collapse now. unless you consider the results of the cultural revolution to be a collapse of course

In 5mins!

america is 30% of global consumer spending, nobody else can afford to buy trinkets from china, and even if they could they wouldn't buy trinkets from china. china cannot continue without selling useless shit to americans in return for USD

well, if the CCP still have the cojones like in the past, they will make a Great Childbearing Revolution and shame on the streets all the woman who have no fertile eggs or those 25+ y.o. who don't want children, we see them welding people's door just 5 years ago, so they still have some of that revolutionary spine to do what has to be done, even if it's all useless and counterproductive, like killing the sparrows and making 100 million die of hunger

Yes? CNC machines and the tech for these factories has been around since the 70s, but greedy labor monopolies in the west won't allow them because it threatens their hold on production. They did a test run of this in the 70s and 80s in Japan where Brits dumped off machines in Japan and labor unions freaked out in the 80s demanding sanctions on cars. The more successful China is the better off we all are because these people are screwed the second they're not allowed to rig the system to suit their interests.

The chinese don't need usd they produce everything themselves. What do they need to buy from america exactly?

Two more weeks. This time for real. Trust me bro!

Goods are secondary, only money matters, what's the point of chinks have cheap plastic garbage if they'll cannot trade them for Dollars?

muh dollar

It's just printed paper

I don't have to believe their numbers, everything is made in China. Look around your house, not many things made in Brazil or the USA

He's being sarcastic

He's not, read his other posts

We basically invented this and that

It's getting tiresome really, if you think that's the end argument then stop using guns because Chinks invented them

Inb4 we improved them

Sure but when China does the same you call it stealing

The USA just got a $600,000,000,000 investment from Saudi Arabia to use in our manufacturing infrastructure.

China isn't going to collapse but they have a slightly worse version of the boomer problem than we do. Chinese boomers are getting older. Many of these boomers only have 1-2 grandchildren. Many of these Chinese boomers are going to live to 100. The grandchildren are overworked and many are becoming NEETs because of 996. However China's authoritarian government could handle it unlike the US by euthanizing boomers.

they don't buy anything from america, that's the point. the chinese don't spend any money, not even from their own manufacturers. they "need" USD because it's what they use to grow their economy. the yuan on it own is worthless garbage, it only works because it's pegged to the dollar. they need USD to settle accounts of trading with other countries

It's money, the end and goal of any economic activity, goods are only as good as much money you can get from them.

things

Who cares about things? Money is what matter, look at Brazil, it produces quite a lot of goods and the country is very poor, while Switzerland produces nothing and is rich.

Hey, favela murder monkey, Americans aren't literally a part of brics, like you. Also, they have the mandate of heaven, shut your fucking mouth.

nobody else can afford to buy trinkets from china

That's where you're wrong
China made things affordable for the rest of the world that once were too expensive.
If computers were made in the USA not many South Americans would have them.
China brought prosperity to humanity, ngl

Two more weeks till chink collapse

I’ve been hearing this garbage since my first memories in the early 90’s. Every year they just get stronger, richer, smarter, and more advanced while we become more shitskin, fat, retarded, gay and jewish

while Switzerland produces nothing

Kek

They have a massive boomer problem. That is their biggest hurdle. There is a non-zero chance they might just start a new coof pandemic to kill off their boomers. Next time it won't be a lab leak but a pathogen specifically targeted to kill old people.

Shut up your wumao shill, the US is richer than ever before.

The chinese buy 10% of all US bonds every month and own more than 1 trillion in US debt. Also the fact they accept payments in dollars gives value to the currency. The system works because everyone partecipates, but if the US wants to break it guess who's easy to replace, the guy consuming shit or the one producing it.

Production can just be moved to India, give corporation 100 bi and bang! there's a factory just as good as that in China.

He is. And guns were invented by Arabs wtf are you talking about, even things like astrolabe were 'reintroduced' to the west from Al-Andalus. They literally admit using western R&D even to this day, most of what they put money into is public works not research. They had warlords until the 1980s. If Mao never happened they would have been still broken up into warring factions.

stimson.org/wp-content/files/file-attachments/Foreign Tech FINAL.pdf

By their own admission they created a cross-national R&D program it's not researched domestically. Kissinger dumped like 2 trillion into them in the 80s when they had less GDP than sub-saharan African colonies. The only thing China proves is that national socialism works even if they're not particularly inventive at all.

It's money, the end and goal of any economic activity, goods are only as good as much money you can get from them.

An economy is people waking up and going to work every day not arbitrary bullshit values given to things

yes i would agree with you mostly. the problem is that the only reason they are able to do that is because their government subsidizes their manufacturing base, while also stealing intellectual property and manufacturing processes from western countries, and engaging in idiotic practices like selling products at a loss just to gain market share. they can't last forever, and it won't, and it when it ends it all collapses. and i'm not even saying america is not going to collapse because it will also (for different reasons)

if a huge country doesn't collapse in under ten years, then it'll never collapse!

and if it does collapse, you'll just redefine what you meant by "collapse" to begin with, right?

god, both people on either side of an issue are fucking retarded. the preppers kept being like

"omg buy guns, buy gold, buy canned food because october of this year is when SHTF!"

and when things merely got marginally more shitty, their goalposts move to

"holy shit guys get prepped NOW because by april of next year it's when things'll get REALLY bad!"

Nothing moves that fast. The predictions are laughably premature.
If China doesn't reform majorly, they WILL collapse. That's what a trajectory is; a predictable path towards a destination. Only by changing the trajectory can the destination change.
Much like people who inject with loads of vaccines and shave decades off their life from all the toxic adjuvants in that poison. The signs are there to those who have eyes to see, but predicting a precise date is beyond the abilities of any one man.

Seriously though, people need to take their predictions and multiple their timeline by like x5-10 and then we'll see a spike in accuracy.

Favelabro assures me

I actually live here and I’m surrounded by the retarded shitskins and poverty anon, lol

guess who's easy to replace, the guy consuming shit or the one producing it

they aren't replacing the american consumer

moved to india

How are you gonna move chinese companies that supply china out of china?

chinks are dumb, instead of using factories the right way, to make as much money as possible, they waste them trying to make as many goods as possible, and ruin everyone's else profits in the process.

They just need to stop accepting usd in exchange for their products and the international value of the usd collapses

You sure live, in the town on chingchong, state of pingpong, the US has never been richer, more prosperous before, look at the stocks, look at the real state market. Fuck off wumao.

This guy gets it, only Americans have what it takes to wear clothes, drive cars, use electronics and pay for it in USD.

and if it does collapse, you'll just redefine what you meant by "collapse" to begin with, right?

Collapsed may be a somewhat difficult concept to define, but it assuredly is not a state of becoming stronger, richer, better and more advanced each year.

Damn donnie shouldn’t have canceled those tariffs then, he almost had his greatest rival down

Sure but when China does the same you call it stealing

this is a silly thing to say. it's "stealing" when China does it, because there are patents on the things they reproduce. Chinese just disregard that entire system because fuck you.

the US has never been richer, more prosperous before, look at the stocks, look at the real state market.

even if a person were to believe your statement, it’s only true for some boomers and jews. The rest of us live in debt bondage endlessly

Tech companies have already tried this. Only east Asia and Europe can do high tech manufacturing. India does not have a high enough national IQ to maintain strict manufacturing standards of things like chips.

Collapsed is not a state of becoming stronger, richer, better and more advanced each year.

You won't find anybody who disagrees with that. Unfortunately, what you described is the opposite of China's current state.

I mean I read The Gathering Storm in 2002 or something and was convinced Iraq was preparing to develop nukes and attack the US. So...books

He shouldn't, it hurts Americans a bit, but Americans can endure hardship, the chinks were two weeks away from giving up.

You shouldn't be lazy and entitled, if you worked like forger generations did, you'd have more than a house by now.

guns were invented by Arabs wtf are you talking about

No, that's a retarded lie.

If Mao never happened they would have been still broken up into warring factions.

But Mao did happen so that argument is stupid

By their own admission they created a cross-national R&D program it's not researched domestically.

They created

That's what matters

The only thing China proves is that national socialism works

Cope word for "communism"

even if they're not particularly inventive at all.

Here he goes again
Give up your guns then

Industry doesn't require any IQ, infrastructure or organization, if chinks can do it, anyone else can do it and do it better.

Also America has trouble doing high tech manufacturing because of labor laws created in the 60s and 70s. If companies were allowed to discriminate against blacks, then America COULD restore a lot of chip manufacturing.

wasn't there an article about feces being detected in smart phones manufactured in India??

Are you trying to imply that chinks are better than someone else, fucking wumao.

Where does all that purchasing power come from?
I always have troubles discerning If these are troll comments or people genuinely are that retarded.

Socialism works quite well, which is why entire West has been doing it in one form or another starting from WWI and up to rise of neoliberalism.

Thing is, If you are having a plan-oriented economy, you better be good at planning and implementing all the feedback loops properly. American agriculture is just as heavily state-dominated as in USSR, and corporations like Walmart run entirely planned internal economies. They are just way better at planning than Stalin's planners were.

this is Anon Babble, of course i'm claiming that racial supremacy exists.

china is just like the mutts, they don't really consider life outside their borders. neither of them are really suited to be global trade leaders, too many whacky ideas. bongland was much better at the whole thing, simple as.

two more weeks

And you're claiming that the chinks are better than someone else, even better than WHITE people.

All this "industry requires IQ" is just a wumao code for "Chinks are masterrace"

muh labor costs

You're just shit at your job

youtu.be/2wacXUrONUY?si=BeLN25wCTu_tStI4

Industry doesn't require any IQ, infrastructure or organization, if chinks can do it, anyone else can do it and do it better

It literally does though. Maintaining these factories is incredibly laborious and requires a lot of things to go 'right'.

bongland was much better at the whole thing, simple as.

Says the bong whose state church is officially no Whites allowed lol

I won't take the time to correct you on your obvious straw manning, because it's funnier to just let you seethe at imagined arguments.

If the chinks are good at it, it means it doesn't require any skill, IQ or organization. If this was the case the Americans WHITEs would be the ones doing industry.

It's literally illegal to not hire stupid niggers in the US.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

I have been reading bullshit China projections since the mid-90's. Do not believe any of it. China is eternal.

Why? Ohh, I just think so.

the problem is that the only reason they are able to do that is because their government subsidizes their manufacturing base,

So they are only able to do it is because they are doing it right kek

while also stealing intellectual property

That's blown out of proportion, Chinese courts will rule in your favor if you sue for infringement. >and manufacturing processes from western countries,
How do you "steal a manufacturing process", is it copyrighted

and engaging in idiotic practices like selling products at a loss just to gain market share.

Seems like a winning strategy

ANYONE who pushes the China is about the collapse narrative is either a state-funded propagandist, or just a grifter trying to profit off of the narrative. I refer to this as the primary and secondary propaganda markets. So, a primary propaganda outlet, for example, Task & Purpose promotes the key narrative, while various ecelebs / influencers bounce off the key narrative trying to catch algorithm traffic. You can always tell who is a primary provider by seeing how much production value goes into it and how professional-looking the speaker is. Like that attractive young man who drives around China on motorcycles with NOTHING but well-produced videos about how awful and trashy China is. This is an actor playing a role as a professional, not just some e-grifter.

What's next, posting fake CPC data and pretending labor is not free in chinka?

ANYONE who pushes the China is about the collapse narrative is either a state-funded propagandist, or just a grifter trying to profit off of the narrative.

Or just regular people with opinions, you hysterical retard.

Look it up, you're wrong
Lawsuits have been won in China for copyright infringements
You're falling for memes and perhaps practices no longer conducted

If China collapse.
The USA still going to the shit hole.
I dont see why China stop exporting, will suddenly make USAians rich. Is just pure cope.

China doesn't have to collapse. They just need to play by the rules. They act like fucking greedy pieces of shit where they get beneficial trade deals and access to free markets, but then keep their own market closed. That's now how it works. They need to open up, or they will get collapsed. The "trade deal" a couple days ago was just a 60 day pause on tariff rape to get their shit right or else.

This anon gets it, anyone who does not believe and says chinka is about to collapse is a profesisonal wumao paid shill.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_lance
This was what they used, it's basically a flamethrower used to take down wooden forts

history-science-technology.com/articles/articles 2.html

In 660 / 1262, King Alfonso X of Castile succeeded in conquering the city of Niebla. The siege was not easy either for the besiegers or for the Muslim inhabitants due to the strength of the town’s defences, so the siege lasted nine months and a half. It is reported that Almohads in defending the city used machines that resembled cannon, which projected stones and fire accompanied by thundering noises. Some Spanish histories consider that this was the first time that gunpowder had been used in warfare in Spain.[49]

They literally made these to siege castles which were far more common in Europe it's why the Mongols couldn't breach into Europe or the Middle East because they didn't have proper siege equipment.

They created a program that lets them borrow foreign research

cope word for communism

They're the same thing idc about the semantics, but it's literally 'socialism with Chinese characteristics' so by their own admission it's national socialism

Give up the guns

If your argument centered around Arabs that would make more sense.

government subsidizing manufacturing is "doing it right"

until the government can no longer keep printing fake money

Dod you click on the link I posted nigger? Companies invest in china because of the skill and quantity of chinese talent not because of labor costs. If labor costs was all that mattered factories would be in africa not in china

Skill

chinka

Lol, no, it's literally only slave labor, if it was skill they'd produced in the USofA.

If you think I'm wrong, then you just failed to understand my post.

The chinks need real money (USD) to keep their fake fiat money (yuan) going, without USD there'll be no real money in the chink economy.

China trade imbalance after joining the WTO

The problem is that politicians let them get away with it because the western oligarchs who pay the western politicians are addicted to cheap Chinese labor at the expanse of the west. These people are all kikes who have no loyalty to the countries they squat in. China's artificial trade imbalance has made a lot of people in the west very rich at the expense of everyone else. It's time to dust off the guillotines.

He's trying to say that there are rules that must be followed, if something is an IP of an US corporation, one must only use if the corporation allows and pay as much a the corporation asks for.

chinks are evil because they refuse to follow the universal rules.

industry requires IQ" is just a wumao code for "Chinks are masterrace

tell that to african industry

From your link

Fire lance was the ancestor of modern firearms

These became the first hand held cannons

Link to Hand Cannon

Is from China

Chinese government doesn't have real money although they sell most stuff by far and make actual money

It's the USA who sells podcasts that needs fake money

i can't argue with his statement so i'll insult instead

the failings of a retard.

history-science-technology.com/articles/articles 2.html

Where in this article does it say fire lance? I can't even crtl+f it. It says right at the beginning of the article that around 600 years of history are glossed over, how else do you think the Muslims conquered Spain? Ballistics was created mostly to siege castles.

You mean this wikipedia article?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_lance

The first fire lances consisted of a tube, usually bamboo, containing gunpowder and a slow match, strapped to a spear or other polearm weapon. Once ignited, the gunpowder tube would ideally eject a stream of flames in the direction of the spearhead.

They tell you exactly how it works. It works like Greek fire, but for forts the only difference is they used flammable powder instead of petroleum. Don't see how this is related to ballistic siege equipment, or why China would even need it when stone forts weren't even common.

FPBP

Two more weeks, I'm sure

Oy vey what an antisemitic number

The USA just got a $600,000,000,000 investment from Saudi Arabia in the bank accounts of the Trump family and his Jew masters

Ftfy

The Chinese have high enough IQs to manufacture chips and the CCP keep wages down. What don't you understand about this?

You mean this wikipedia article?

No, I mean this

The US under 40 population isn't even 1/5 white

china is on permanent collapse mode
just like usa

Gordon Chang brings into question whether Asians are really that smart

How long until China collapses bros? I want the answer expressed in weeks, if possible

Approximately 1 to 3

they dont have to be smart just copy what smart people do and profit

The book says exactly 10 years, or 520 weeks.

China's National IQ is overblown. They don't count peasants. It's probably 90-100 when you account for all those shitty Western regions. Japan is around 103 and Korea is 102. Unlike Jews or Whites they skew towards spatial instead of verbal.

A Chinese-style "bowl-mouth cannon" found in Java, presumably brought there by the Mongol invasion of Java in 1293 or a Javanese version of it.

It says that it was used by Mongols and Jurchens. Mongols aren't Chinese, but they did conquer China during Yuan. Also like 3/4 Khanates were Islamic. Don't see how this relates to Chinese when you single out a conquered dynasty. They started buying guns from the Ottomans after Yuan collapsed btw.

520,000

This guys is right, chinks only lie, they say their IQ is 106, it can never be higher than Whiter Americans, so it's actually 80.

What I see is the USA collapsing and China happily selling to other countries, unburdened by America

And the source cited is the author's ass.

You sound like andrew anglin, he likes china because he simps for asian women

Two more weeks also based chinks not giving a fuck about Jewish intellectual property, information wants to be free

Chinks do that because they're commies, and commies love to have a monopoly on everything. Chinks have a near monopoly on manufacturing in the world today because they manufacture everything at slave labor costs.

And yet you can’t manufacture anything of worth even with the caste system and slave labour. Hmm.

A Chinese-style "bowl-mouth cannon"

Chinese style

Also "the earliest preserved item" is not "the first ever made", are you stupid.
The article clearly says it's a Chinese invention and now you're Jewishly taking words out of context (and failing kek bcs even you say "Chinese style" kek) trying to disprove the obvious claim made by the article.

Silly, chinese cannot invent, they can only copy, only the White man can invent. This is an axiom

reliance on trade with the US

it works both ways
it will be glorious for humanity, postscarcity times coming

The first half of that wikipedia article is talking about fire lances. And it's a wikipedia article edited by like 50 different people. Literally the only mention of China pre-Yuan is about fire lances or in the 'Evolution' part of the article, the 'First Guns' segement immediately jumps to the Yuan dynasty to like the 1280s. This is like saying Greeks invented the combustion engine because Greek fire burned petroleum.

I was referencing this article that notes ballistic siege equipment and military uses of explosive powder in like 600 AD back when Spain was being conquered.

history-science-technology.com/articles/articles 2.html

Arabs aren't white, neither are Tartars.

This is the big one I've been waiting for. Holding my breath!

Only White, but really only Americans, can invent.

1991

friedman

They just spout bullshit and get paid for it.

The first half of that wikipedia article is talking about fire lances.

No, it only says that the hand cannon is a successor of the fire lance
You have no reading comprehension, you are low IQ and you deny the obvious so you have a cognitive dissonance
The article says

Fire lance, the proto - gun, was invented by the Chinese

Hand cannon, the first real gun, is invented by the Chinese

Hence guns are invented by the Chinese
You only have a problem with that because you are a brainwashed Mutt that can't face the reality and you're even willing to falsely attribute the invention to Arabs lmao because I guess the Chinese can't invent but Arabs are apparently the brains kek as we can see by their current technological development

china will soon collapse = chud / MAGA

Europeans didn't start producing guns until after the reconquista while the Arabic world had them. So no, this sarcastic strawman only displays that you missed the message.

Yeah it's not a successor because one fires a projectile and the other is a flamethrower. One is incendiary and the other is ballistic. They were using ballistic cannons to attack forts during the crusades.

history-science-technology.com/articles/articles 2.html

This precise information about the use of cannon came from a great historian. However, western historians of firearms in the nineteenth and the first part of the twentieth centuries questioned the report of Ibn Kaldun. Historians in those days were bound by certain fixed historical dates for gunpowder and cannon that could not be changed even if they go to the extreme of discrediting a historian of the calibre of Ibn Khaldun. We have seen above that portable cannon were used by the Mamluks in 1260 in the battle of `Ayn Jalut. Indeed, we would advance the view that in the Maghrib and al-Andalus, where petroleum was not available whereas potassium nitrate was known to be abundant, cannon may have developed into a siege engine somewhat earlier than in the Islamic East, and that the appearance of cannon at Sijilmasa as described by Ibn Khaldun was a natural development the veracity of which need not be doubted.

The difference between this article and Wikipedia is that one provides reference to historical sources while the other found a Mongol hand cannon in Java and is claiming that ballistic weapons use incendiary powder. In fact Europe couldn't have created weapons because Spain has by far the largest reserves of saltpeter in Europe and it was conquered until like the 15th century.

Hand cannons first saw widespread usage in China sometime during the 13th century and spread from there to the rest of the world.

So the Arabs bought it from the Chinese

The Arabs bought it from the Mongol controlled Yuan dynasty that they were actively at war with? The Mamluks used the cannon against them and in 1260 the Mongols had control over nearly all of Asia. You can read back the article further and see they developed this specifically to raid Byzantine.

The earliest surviving documentary evidence for the use of the hand cannon in the Islamic world are from several Arabic manuscripts dated to the 14th century

China could collapse any minute now.
They could collapse any day anytime of the week. They could collapse mondays to fridays or even on saturdays and sundays. They have 365 days where they could collapse and even 366 days on certain years. It's so bad and sad that any moment they could collapse.

Yet there's records of it being used. You know that when I read this wikipedia article 5 years ago it said the first case was 1260? Kind of like how there's editing wars over it almost yearly. I cited wikipedia to quote how the fire lance worked, their historic sources are constantly contested. There's a reason they tell you not to use Wikipedia as a resource when doing research.

Yet there's records of it being used.

No, it was fire lance that was used
You are retarded, look

Chinese invented gunpowder

Invented fire lance

Had many inventions

But you think

Arabs just invented the guns just like that out of thin air

No actually Mongols invented it despite never inventing literally anything

Also

Article clearly says Chinese guns, invented in China

But you go about

Well this sentence here akshully if you ignore everything could be interpreted as I mean you know

No in 1260 it was a cannon not a fire lance, a cannon doesn't use the incendiary gunpowder they use in lances. Also the unpurified form of gunpowder was only accessible to Muslims because they conquered Spain. They also had incentive to develop it because of Byzantine. There's almost no other group that had the incentive and tech to make ballistic weapons other than the Islamic world because they wanted to breach very well fortified castles. Also they used Greek fire as their method of fire weaponry

During the fifth Crusade that was directed against Egypt, Damietta was besieged in 1218 and the besieged used Greek fire extensively in their defences.

It's more out of thin air in the Chinese context because they had no incentive to make it (no Mongol forts). The Tang dynasty which created the original incendiary powder collapsed 300 years prior and was a multi-ethnic dynasty comprised of Persians, Sogdians, Chinese, and various central Asians. Nearly all of those Song Dynasty treaties come from Dunhuang which is in western Asia, today it's Uyghur territory.

history-science-technology.com/articles/articles 2.html

Show me where in this article it says China. Wikipedia will change their history almost yearly. I have no idea why you trust it so much.

My issue is that there's no Chinese records at all on anything other than fire lances and plenty of Arabic ones in regards to cannons. The entire wikipedia argument is that they found a cannon in Java and that's why they think it originated from Mongols, arguing origin from archaeological findings what I've been arguing against.

They also knew of powder earlier:

In the year 564 H/1168 AD the Firanja (the Franks or the Crusaders) besieged al-Fustat (old Cairo). Shawar[7] decided to burn the city. Al-Maqrizi says that 20000 pieces of karaz shami (ceramic Damascus grenades) full of incendiary materials were used. Al-Fustat continued burning for 54 days.[8] Mercier obtained several grenades from the site and their contents were analysed. The tests proved the existence of potassium nitrates.[9]

All these people did was pour over alchemy, there's a constant flow of alchemical testing they also had the biggest reserves of saltpeter in the western world.

This is from the 11th century.

Ibn Bakhtawayh, the physician, in his book Al-Muqaddimat (composed in 420/1029), described the freezing of water at any season by using potassium nitrate calling it shabb Yamani (Yamani alum).

Let's go one step at the time

The oldest surviving cannon is Mongolian

Do you say that the oldest surviving artifact means the first one ever made

and why can't they restructure their economy to be an internal consumer economy once all the old people are dead and they have a decent population pyramid

fpbp total anglokike collapse

they have nukes.
they can't collapse.

What is Soviet Union