Jordan Peterson Loses Christian Debate Against Zoomers

if you're pro-israel you are liberal. there is literally nothing conservative about placing people from a different country over those in the one you reside

it's liberal

oh no, not the hekkin christgolems, how will we save the white race if people stop praying to rabbi yeshua?

atheistic materialism

? Atheism is just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods. Has nothing to do with materialism

materialism like private jets for churches that make $100,000 a week in revenue lol?

if you are a real christian, then you have to know that you're going to hell. you've done whatever you wanted your whole life and then SAY a few things, you're no different than jews. you gonna start buttfucking a chicken to death once a year so it dies for your sins too?

Jordans a fucking retard and a clear plant. Argues like a boomer and Redditor combined. Said he was willing to die instead of lie and then when given a reality of needing to lie to save his kids life he said it’s a hypothetical when it’s a reality and wouldnt answer lol. And said he wouldnt do enough sin to be in that situation (whatever that means) when sometimes you’re born into that situation, guess he blames all the whites killed by niggers for putting themselves in that situation via “sin”. Typical kike victim blaming

i can't watch shit like this

A-akshully if you win against me in a debate, that means you lose

Pathetic

Bread and circuses for the goyim

He was always a shitty grifter appealing to fatherless loser with boilerplate self-help advice while leveraging his academic title and throwing in big words once in awhile to make it seem profound.

deranged christcuck crashes out over worshiping jews

For me it was when he showed up to Joe Rogan's podcast wearing those stupid colored suits with Joe Rogan's face on it and Dave rubin and Ben Shapiro.. This guy literally has a suit with their faces on them. What a fucking weirdo.

He's not a celeb though. He's one of the biggest political influencers of the right wing. That's like calling Rush Limbaugh or Ben Shapiro a celeb. These are our move makers and vote shakers of the Republican party.

True. Always been a nutjob.

they showed up to one of those stupid "20 atheists vs 1 christian" debates. It was a bunch of college freshmen atheists who are also probably reddit users who were going do an epic smackdown of christianity like its 2013. Except it wasn't that because JP refused to answer if he is christian when asked. I don't know what he believes in, he won't say, who knows if anyone knows. And they had to rename the video.

This. Some of his early work really improved my life, but post-coma JBP is almost as embarrassing as his daughter. She's likely played a role in his downfall as well. Her life is a trainwreck and she has zero charisma or self-awareness.

Jordan Peterson isn’t even a Christian, he just thinks it has great metaphorical value but has no coherent account of existence itself which is why he failed. Atheists have literally the most incoherent worldview possible, they think all existence is just matter in motion despite relying on metaphysical concepts that transcend matter (logic, mathematics, consciousness, time, etc). If you refuse to accept the Christian God as existence itself as JP does you won’t be able to actually pick apart their views because you share them.

hes obsessd with hierarchical structures lmao and i kind of get the grift but its like when you find out when you times anything by 1 you get the same answer

So if we were to elaborate on teh heirarchial nature of

i mean we could but why would we things are not always structured in this way hell somethings are not structured at all

what aboyt symetry you have to create a hierarchial structrure to contain it like adding an extra dimension ect

What are we going to do?

Stop trying to control people for the jews?

kosher right losing power

We are losing

We

LOL

Protestants

Are heretics. They explicitly do not follow the Bible they claim to, which clearly states salvation comes from participation in the Church which in turn is defined as the Body of Christ created by the Apostles and overseen by their chosen successors. Protestant leaders have no direct link to Christ’s apostles, they do not participate in the Body of Christ.

Jordan Peterson

Christian

There is no material world for atheists

But why is there a picture of destiny getting pegged?

in this his descriptions of worship aswell are just like actual word salad

its basically the hierarchal deduction of attention

he didnt say it quite that well but whatever its still just word salad

you are describing a description.

his idea of being christian aswell the definitions are just wild

I have never seen a right winger win an internet debate

>Jordan Peterson

>Christian

That's the point

Has nothing to do with materialism

The entirety atheistic obsessions with material sciences and the notion of “progress” disagree with this statement.

Everyone knows why the reformation happened. Keep seething about it nigger sucker, nobody is interested in the papacy and its weird anime faggot shit anymore.

and i get it being put on the spot is always difficult but lets not pretend that what he said has any bearing or relevents beyond his hierarchical structure of emotional response and if thats the case why did he not just say
"that whitch evokes emotion within me" instead of trying to evoke emotion in somebody else.

very cringe desu desu

when did you outgrow JP?

I never grew into him because I was already in my late 20s when he came on the scene. From day 1, I was telling his zoomer audience that he was a gatekeeper against White collectivism.

material sciences

Has nothing to do with atheism.

Their arguments don't matter

You are delusional

this
the brain damage is overwhelmingly evident

papacy

I’m Orthodox. The Roman Catholic Church is globohomo (Doestyevsky’s Inquisitor settled this 150 years ago), the Protestant movement was a justified reaction against their heresy but was a Jew guided movement that ended up putting theology in the power of academics and spawned secularism. The Protestant reformation arising out of Catholic heresy is proof that both movements are not the true church.

There is no winning or losing a debate. It's all performative theater. There has never been a single debate that has changed the course of history. Change is achieved at the barrel of a gun.

ignore your lying eyes

because I said so

No. Atheism is inherently materialistic because it denies the existence of the immaterial and it focuses on the material. This is simply undeniable.

Atheism is

A disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods.

it denies the existence of the immaterial

Not really. Other things can occupy the immaterial other than God or Gods

Schrödinger christian is a funny one ngl.

materialism bad

drink your onions midwit

Metaphysics don't exist, logic and mathematics are a language that translates reality in a way that allows our brains to transmit information to one another. It is you who has never thought about these issues deeply at all and have a shallow understanding of what you're talking about.

A disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods.

A disbelief or lack of belief in God/gods
is inherently A belief in the absence of God/gods
Everything that is a "disbelief" is inherently a belief in the opposite.

The fundamental truth about human psychology (which most atheist retards refuse to admit) is that life without belief is impossible. Even when you go to the grocery store, and chose between 2 apples to buy, you base that decision on a belief that one is a better choice than the other. And if you claim you "know" that it is a better choice, you're lying to yourself - you cannot know every single tiny detail about that choice, other than a vague collection of assumptions which drive your choices (hence, belief)

Never saw the appeal desu

Though ngl it's fucking hilarious watching Juden Peterstein crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the jewclear codes

the only people who listen to Ben Shapiro are Jews so no one

Metaphysics don't exist

metaphysics is not a "thing" that can or cannot exist, it is simple a set of theories that do not fully integrate into the "current" physics. They can be either true or false, but because they remain in the blind spot of science, they are neither true or false, they are assumptions for now

why the fuck would you even watch something that would be the History Channel's wet dream?

All these stupid videos exist for power trippers and irony humpers who enjoy arguing with themselves.

Your brain on tribal politics kek

ok but desTINY sucks cock so...

I never fell for this guy. Even when he was first popping up he openly said he was a gatekeeper for alt right. I never understood it, did any Anon Babbleak fall for it?

Why would someone who is not Christian go on a bullshit show to defend Christianity?

Yesterday was the last straw. That was too cringe. I might give him a second chance, depending on how he handles the fallout though.

nobody cares about debates and anyone who debates is a faggot

but im changing people's minds

no you're not its just watching a sports game but way lamer the teams are decided before hand

A belief in the absence of God/gods

Is still lack of belief/disbelief

I don't know why this is so hard for yous

A disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods.

Because they cannot be proven materially.

Not really. Other things can occupy the immaterial other than God or Gods

If there is an explicit denial of the existence of an immaterial thing (God) then there is an implicit denial of other immaterial things. Saying “that has nothing to do with atheism” is simple cope. Materialism and atheism are inherently intertwined and have been for a very long time.

Metaphysics don't exist, logic and mathematics are a language that translates reality in a way that allows our brains to transmit information to one another

Lmao. Can you look at the principles of logic under a microscope? Where in the physical realm can you show me the concept of the number 7 and what makes it different from number 3 or 8? How are you even formulating the words you type? You and I and all people know these things are innate to the universe despite not having a physical presence. “Uhh it’s a language” that isn’t a physical thing, you’re arguing for my point.

If there is an explicit denial of the existence of an immaterial thing (God) then there is an implicit denial of other immaterial things

Not really. I had an immaterial idea then I made it material. My conscious is immaterial and I like to believe it still persists after my material death.

Is still lack of belief/disbelief

there is no such thing as "lack of belief", you're getting confused in the limits of language itself here, treating semantics as material, whereas knowing that they aren't.

I already explained to you, human beings are animated in life entirely through beliefs. Even the very fact that you are here right now posting on this website is because a certain set of beliefs led you here and post what you are posting.

and I like to believe

exactly

jews are paying jeets to blanket spam far-right spaces. Spamming christjewery must be one of their agenda items. Why? Over 90% of ethnic Europeans under 30 identify as atheist. Why would any ethnic European who was trying to create a ethno-nationalist movement create a stipulation like: "you cannot be an European ethno-nationalist unless you worship a fictional jewish rabbi?"

Spamming christjewery is designed to repulse normies.

How do you defend something akin to believing Harry Potter is real? Just let people have their cope

there is no such thing as "lack of belief",

There is. As my lack of belief can turn into belief if I'm convinced enough.

"You don't know where you are right now."

Didn't he make a book about children being assaulted a bunch? Like does he just think about hurting children that much?

when he started crying like a faggot in every single public appearance

Always hated him. The idea of getting lice advice from someone so deranged that he needed a cocktail of pharmesemeticals just to make it through the day never made sense to me. Doubly so when his daughter fucked Andrew Tate.

There is. As my lack of belief can turn into belief if I'm convinced enough.

doesn't work like that

If you "don't believe in god" what it simply means is that you "do believe in the absence of god". But both of these are just 2 different beliefs.
The only way you could avoid having a belief about god, is if you were a 2 years old toddler and didn't have the concept of what is god formulated in your memory yet.

Which is opposite of lack of belief

What do you mean by using your vocal cords to create vibrations that cause my Wernicke area to become active?

It's clearly rooted in an to you unbeknownst, unrejectable being

What a shitshow

Which is opposite of lack of belief

see

Maybe send a fascist

>There is. As my lack of belief can turn into belief if I'm convinced enough.

doesn't work like that

It does. As it's happened before outside the concept of God

believe in the absence of god

Which is still a lack of belief

You're not proving me wrong bud

anon i had this argument so fucking much that people are starting to actually say it

its all belif

you belive the evidence is insuficient
that is a belief

Atheism is inherently materialism, and materialism is stupid because it has no real answers.

If you ask an atheist why or how humans are alive, he will obviously give you a materialistic answer something akin to "because of biology" or "because of nature", which can otherwise be translated as "because organs exist" - and this by itself isn't an answer to the question at all, it's just an ontological fallacy.

Q: why do sheep exist?

A: because they are sheep! Ha gotcha!

You're not proving me wrong bud

sounds to me that you gave up on the conversation, given as your entire argument is "I'm right"

As opposed to what? God willing things into existence?

Atheism is inherently materialism

Incorrect

sounds to me that you gave up on the conversation

Nope. I've explained it pretty well

As opposed to what? God willing things into existence?

You can say it that way, but you would first need to provide a definition of God in your statement - what is he and what does he represent? (no, not "spaghetti monster in the sky" bullshit).

You could describe God as a "direction/will/movement towards something" for example, let's say the will of matter to battle against entropy, or vice-verse - which at the very least provides an answer as to why matter assembles and makes things exist.

Not really.

Yes, really. You’re just being selective on what beliefs of the immaterial you have out of convenience. This convenience ignores the history of atheism which is soundly rooted in the materialist philosophies that sprouted in Ancient Greece.

My conscious is immaterial and I like to believe it still persists after my material death.

This implies a belief in some kind of higher power which would preserve your consciousness.

it's not an inherent requirement of atheism. Atheism, at its core, is simply the lack of belief in gods or deities. Materialism, on the other hand, is a philosophical view that posits that only matter and energy exist, and all phenomena, including consciousness, are ultimately reducible to physical processes

Incorrect

prove it

Yes, really.

See
See

thats basically the argument ye but it goes like this

person A
x thing
person b
y thing

person a
x is no = y
person b
y and x
person a

GOD IS NOT REAL

person b
x,y God is real.

kek

leftists are turning our kids transgender

do people actually believe this

Also

Here's why the connection is nuanced:

Atheism is a belief about the existence of gods, while materialism is a philosophical stance about the nature of reality.

It's possible to be an atheist and not a materialist:

For example, some atheists may believe in the existence of non-physical realms or other immaterial entities, even while denying the existence of gods.

Atheism, at its core, is simply the lack of belief in gods or deities

I already told you that human brains do not work this way. You cannot have a "lack" of belief because that is tantamaunt to lack of knowledge itself. The only way you would lack belief is if you would lack the grasp of the thing you cannot believe.

Jordan Peterson Loses Christian Debate

That's because he is a false convert.

I already told you that human brains do not work this way

Yours doesn't

While it's true that knowledge requires belief, belief itself doesn't necessarily equate to knowledge. A lack of belief in something doesn't automatically mean a lack of knowledge about it. For example, someone might not believe in ghosts, but still be well-informed about the scientific and cultural context surrounding the belief in ghosts.

word salad

Can you look at the principles of logic under a microscope?

Can you look at the Japanese language under microscope? What a silly question.

Where in the physical realm can you show me the concept of the number 7 and what makes it different from number 3 or 8?

Simple, numbers are abstractions of the mind translating something that exists in reality. You use base 10 because you have 10 fingers in your hand. Mathematics is the natural way of translating reality, it's the same as a language.

How are you even formulating the words you type?

With my brain, I am translating information into a medium (the english language) that we both can interact with.

You and I and all people know these things are innate to the universe despite not having a physical presence.

I just showed you the physical presence. Metaphysics is a scam.

“Uhh it’s a language” that isn’t a physical thing, you’re arguing for my point.

Language is a physical thing, it's a process of the brain. It's not some magic metaphysic woowoo thing.
Behead all metacucks. Reality is all that matters.

For example, some atheists may believe in the existence of non-physical realms or other immaterial entities, even while denying the existence of gods.

on what logical basis will they deny gods or deities (which are immaterial) if they acknowledge/admit the existence of immaterial things?

Do you realise that this stance is an oxymoron?

I've been arguing with atheists for twenty years. That was some weak ass rookie shit. I don't know what he's even trying to do. Did he even get into

natural order = intelligent design

there is no evolutionary reason to appreciate beauty?

Any tried and true apologist argument

I also don't understand why he's so afraid to announce what he actually believes, but I'm kind of glad he didn't because then it'd be a loss for whatever that belief system is.

just white so words have meanings i can understand and i use them that way. it's like how all the queers born since 1990 use literally to mean figuratively are just actually too low IQ to remember so they pretend they were being ironic when they were wrong

a definition of God in your statement

I am not going to go down the retarded JP route. God is some sort of entity beyond our scope that exists on a plane that enable him to be omniscient and omnipotent which some vague interest in our existence.

which at the very least provides an answer as to why matter assembles and makes things exist

At least not to me. The existence of sheep is clearly explained by their occupation of a certain biological niche which no external factors opposing their existence. The existence of sheep is perfectly reasonable to assume without some vague entity somewhere else.

Maybe I am too far removed from faith but the assumption that God is a reasonable explanation for anything is baffling to me.

on what logical basis will they deny gods or deities

Based on the lack of evidence to convince them

he quickly went off the rails when he stopped implying things about jews

his talk about how anyone could be the "horrible nazis" of ww2 fits 1:1 what israel is doing to gentiles right now, but he is too sodomized by jews to admit it

if they acknowledge/admit the existence of immaterial things?

See

is time a metaphysical concept?

Yes, time is often considered a metaphysical concept. This is because time is intangible and doesn't have physical properties, yet it's fundamental to our understanding of reality.

you've been served

Atheism, at its core, is simply the lack of belief in gods or deities.

This is a Motte and Bailey fallacy.
We are not talking about atheism as an abstract platonic concept. We are talking about atheism as it exists in the real world as an ideological force in the Western world.

Atheism in the Western world is not simply a lack of belief in God. It does not manifest itself magically fully formed from thin air in the minds of young adults It is the product of the philosophical tradition of materialist reasoning that anon has been alluding to and comes packaged with a common set of secular humanist beliefs.

The man's a kike shill. Of course he failed in defense of Christianity. Kikes hate Christianity.

When did you realize this man was a jew?

Immediately.

I am not going to go down the retarded JP route. God is some sort of entity beyond our scope that exists on a plane that enable him to be omniscient and omnipotent which some vague interest in our existence.

this statement is already incorrect because you missed "omnipresent", so he's not in a disconnected plane from you, he's also inside you

This is a Motte and Bailey fallacy

Nope

I can acknowledge the possibility of things existing beyond the scope of my own comprehension. Maybe there are abstract being somewhere in the universe who possess god-like powers.
I can, however, deny the existence of the specific being you religious people propose by demanding evidence. I just don't believe in your being existing.

Define "lose" define "Christian" define "Debate" define "Against" define "Zoomers" also while you're at it define "Jordan Peterson".

Ok, Jordan. Does that change anything?

This anon gets it

do people actually believe this

Based on the lack of evidence to convince them

this is again a logical fallacy,
you're saying an atheist is truly an atheist even if he's not a materialist - because he can believe in non-provable, but cannot believe in god (which is also non-provable)

Seems like your immaterial-atheist is a schizo

first, define define

Don't get smart on me or I will have the lobster SS snip your unwashed cock.
The Jew in the attic scenario was pure gold though. Holy fuck, I laughed just as hard as the people in the background.

Why don't they do these kinds of things for Judaism or Islam?

this is again a logical fallacy,

Nope

you're saying an atheist is truly an atheist even if he's not a materialist

Materialism has nothing to do with atheism. Is what I've been saying

While it's true that knowledge requires belief, belief itself doesn't necessarily equate to knowledge.

belief animates knowledge (results in actions and decisions)

The very fact that you are currently are writing about belief and disbelief here on this forum, is becuase your knowledge about these things is animated by a belief in a particular interpreation and a belief that it has to be voiced.

Whats the twist here, that Jordan was always a kike and not just a kike bootlicker?

Ok, Jordan. Does that change anything?

yes

to me it seemed like something had changed when he came back from eastern europe during his detox thing. i honestly think he suffered brain damage or something because he just became really retarded

youtu.be/ft3e4QCelKw?t=30

i don't like milo but even he said the problem with jordan peterson

The crypto jew got noticed... see how he recoiled.

everything not anything but whats more reasonable

nothing-everything
something-everything

since we are litterly incapable of grasping the ideas of nothing like we cannot even process it

even the word itself is an accident the word nothing does not even mean nothing it means (something) lmfao

its a natural conclusion and we call it god

something exists
thats all we know

Fuck. I think I just got baptised.

Hes not a Christian, He's a Zionist.

Obviously nobody here watched the debate. Peterson was being asked ridiculous questions that had nuanced answers and would have taken hours to flesh out. People that think he lost are literally smoothbrains.

even he saw the problem with jordan peterson*

belief animates knowledge

So does lack of belief.

I can acknowledge the possibility of things existing beyond the scope of my own comprehension

but also

I deny the existence of the specific being you religious people propose by demanding evidence

So you just said yourself: you can believe in unprovable abstract things, but you also cannot believe in unprovable abstract things.

It's really not that hard, just be honest

non-Christian neoliberal leaf loses slap fight with zoomer troons

Powerful.
Remind me why I should care though?

So does lack of belief.

how can lack of something animate anything? Have you skipped the basic laws of thermodynamics or something?

That all depends on what "is" means.

There has never been a single debate that has changed the course of history

Shankara converted all of India from Buddhism to Hinduism with debate. Genghis Khan rounded up wise men from all corners of his empire and had them debate each other, then declared Daoism the winner and gave it tax free status throughout his entire empire

if I repeat my talking points that means I’m right

You’re legitimately stupid.

how can lack of something animate anything?

It animates the willingness to potentially accept knowledge

This isn't an argument

Juden Peterstein is a grifter just like Joe Rogan and Asmoncuck and Hassan and Alex Jonesy, they're all owned by Night Media (Jews). None of them can be honest a single day in their life. They're soulless monsters.

when you're saying that lack of belief can animate things (into motion, or into life), you're basically saying that you can magically create energy out of nothing.
Hence you are inadvertently transforming yourself into a looney, because no single serious scientist would agree with you.

When he said that he respected pronouns but didn't want to be legally compelled, I became skeptical but understanding.
When he said his mission was to prevent young White men from collectivism, I knew he was a jew shill immediately.

When he decided to be a kike lover

when you're saying that lack of belief can animate things (into motion, or into life), you're basically saying that you can magically create energy out of nothing.

No, that's your strawman.

He was given baby tier questions that anyone in the world could answer in a split second if they just were honest. Peterstein basically admitted he doesn't believe in God and doesn't even have a concept of who God is.

that lack of belief can animate

The desire for knowledge. No need to strawman what I said bud

ghost of buttfuckingham palace is too stupid to understand people discussing different viewpoints is an argument

I stand by my previous statement.

I never took Peterstein seriously for a moment, he's a cuck with an ogre for a wife and his daughter fucked Andrew Tate.

people discussing different viewpoints

You almost get it.

If you need a book of Jewish fairy tales to not be a shit person then you deserve to be annexed and ethnically cleansed, Colin.

Now that you mention him, what the fuck happened to Milo? I remember him being everywhere and just as fast he just vanished.

since we are litterly incapable of grasping the ideas of nothing like we cannot even process it

This is something I read very often but I don't think it's true. I am perfectly fine with nothing existing. And even if this poses a problem, the existence of another entity causing the big bang or whatever is not a logical solution to that issue. God is a tautology and a very simplistic at that.
It's not natural at all. Christianity was founded way before you were able to make that argument based on modern scientific finding. How did the people 2000 years ago reach that conclusion? For all they knew, there could have been something before the universe.

You don't understand the argument because you stay on a shallow, rather literary level of the argument.
Your claim is actually rather specific and not universal. You somehow have gained extraordinary knowledge of the existence of a higher being but through some specific set of circumstances you and everyone in your gang cannot provide the slightest proof.

I can imagine some dads working at Nintendo but yours working there seems highly doubtful to me as long as you cannot give me proof.
Which has me confused even more as to why people quote the Bible of all things. The Bible was written by a bunch of bloakes who were barely smarter than the average college student.

The desire for knowledge

why would you desire something if you do not believe in it?

Did you literally ask chatgpt for some deep wisdom about the world that you can't figure out for yourself? How pathetic.

Time is a measurement of repetitions that happen in reality. Sun goes up, sun goes down, etc. It's dependent on reality having order and being repetitive.
Don't try to "serve" me, you shouldn't care about winning or losing in an anonymous exchange. Thinking gpt will give you philosophical deep answers is quite pathetic.

You don't understand the argument because you stay on a shallow, rather literary level of the argument.

Which is funny coming from someone who isn't a materialist, supposedly lol

atheism is based
religion is for faggots

the most based people are atheists

nietzsche
hp lovecraft
schoepenhauer

christians want to revert humans back into acting superstitious niggers who believe in witches and demons
i like living in a secular society. i don't want to live in a society run by religious retards

why would you desire something if you do not believe in it?

By the same way I desires knowledge about Gandalf and Middle Earth

Is it not against the bible to build a church in the first place?

revert humans back into acting like superstitious niggers*

what is nothing
nothing is not a thing
you cannot describe it for it is nothing
we only know what it is by inferring the inverse of something
it does not matter if you are fine with the idea of nothing
nothing is not a thing

kek

its where the infinate universe theory comes from

because if something can come from nothing (that you are fine with) it means that all the rules are wrong

gravity physics ect all of it

if something can come from nothing think of what that means.

You're a retard

Aren't you forgetting someone?

Materialism is the logical conclusion of atheism. It's the correct position too, all that matters is the material since it's all we can interact with. The whole concept of metaphysics is a scam. There's only physics.

How did the people 2000 years ago reach that conclusion? For all they knew, there could have been something before the universe.

the idea of good is programmed into humanity on a DNA level, we can debate on which part of DNA is responsible for it, but it's a pre-programmed thing. This is why even the most vehement atheists rooted in materialism end up doing a 180degree turn in their later years.

Time is a measurement of repetitions that happen in reality. Sun goes up, sun goes down, etc. It's dependent on reality having order and being repetitive.

If you try to say that time exists because things are prone to changing/repeating, and this change is influenced by time - then if you are placed into a dark room, where there is no sound, no light, no objects to touch, and no way for you to track time - does time still exist, or have you abandoned time?

This is a fundamentally metaphysical problem - and yes there's many attempts to explain, prove, or disprove time, but all of those attempts are also metaphysical.

By the same way I desires knowledge about Gandalf and Middle Earth

I think you should stay in fairytales then and leave topics of existence to adults

witches and demons

there's witches and demons all over the place u'd have to be some kind of blind retard not to nootice them by now

Why atheism implies materialism

TL:DR
If you don't believe in metaphysics, all you got is physics

This. But there was some glimpses of madness before that too. Like that his family is some kind of super special thing. JP is drug addict and his daughter has fucked all around the world.

Materialism is the logical conclusion of atheism

For some atheists maybe. For me it just rules out God or gods as being the only things that can be immaterial

you see them because you are schizophrenic

n-noo you can't just refute all my retarded questions what about the heckin skydaddy??

seethe&cope™

I accept your concession

If you don't believe in metaphysics

I don't understand how one cant. All ideas are metaphysical until they're not

dta
dtpsychoanalyists
dtk

the worst thing u can be called in clown world is normal, so thanks bro
u are normal tho

He's one of the biggest political influencers of the right wing.

The shabbos goyim are going down.

dtdoS0Yevsky

The closed definition to nothing we have gotten is the existence of WMD in Iraq. Henceforth, when we talk about nothing we just visualize an image of George Bush in our mind.

because if something can come from nothing (that you are fine with) it means that all the rules are wrong

It's not what I am saying. It's a moot argument anyway because it doesn't prove anything but I might was well claim that our universe was created by Arcturus Project introducing exotic matter in our empty universe. There, all hail God McKay.

So you are taking the stance of the Chinese philosopher Mencius who came 300 years before Christ? Damn, those slant-eyed bastards really pulled a number on us there. It's actually an interesting topic to discus but making it a matter of genes is too simplistic. If you claim that inherent goodness is caused by God I am gonna just cite Dawkin's Selfish Gene explaining altruism as an evolutionary beneficial strategy.

Kek, you posted the epstiny face too. A bunch of rape victims and rapists and zioshills bickering over nothing.

I never cared about peterson because i was never retarded enough to be deeply emotionally invested in the troon issue like you schizos are.

They got him to admit he didn't want to refer himself as a Christian

zoomer retards don't understand why he doesn't identify as a christian. peterson refuses to choose a denomination because he will inevitably choose the wrong denomination and thus alienate his audience. peterson is not stupid, he wants to be an ecumenical abrahamic because so that all abrahamics have to deal with his thought. if he goes catholic or orthodox or whatever, the "heretical" denominations are then allowed to ignore him.

In a world where there is nothing my body wouldn't be able exist to begin with. Pointless hypothetical since you can't separate who you are from a world with order and repetition since your mind evolved to interpret said world. If you placed me in a world without time I would not exist, that's why the hypothetical doesn't work.
But to answer it directly the answer is yes. If you could click a button and turn this world into a world of chaos without any repetition there wouldn't be the thing we call "time".

all of those attempts are also metaphysical.

Nothing of what I said is metacuckical, I am making a direct reference to reality (the physical) in order to explain what time is.
Why can't God be material?

white christians want to live like niggers

That's because he is a false convert.

So why are Christians defending him all the time?
Because they too love jews more than a future for their own children?

Why can't God be material?

Good question. Why not?

Belief in God can be easily summed up as:

"Reality is a hierarchical structure, and the highest point of this structure is divine, and therefore unreachable to humans albeit integrate to life itself."

And here's the fun part: humans as a species are genetically socio-hierarchical creatures, as you can observe socio-hierarchies in everything from family structures, to friendship groups, to businesses, militaries, and religions.
The belief into God and divinity as a whole is NOT at conflict with the very core of human nature, but is rather an integral part of human nature - as it stems from a generational and instinctive knowledge that you are born into a hierarchy, and you live your entire life as part of a hierarchy.

And when they talk about Patriarchy and the Church, they imply that the peak/core of the hierarchy and the hierarchy itself is inherently masculine. (hence why God is seen as a masculine entity as well)

don't listen to jews

don't listen to shabbos goys

live a good life

We're in paradise.

If you claim that inherent goodness is caused by God

never said that

Hes not a Christian, He's a Zionist.

Same thing for all practical purposes.
The only place you'll find anti-jewish Christians is on Anon Babble.

Belief in God can be easily summed up as

Man's subjective interpretation.

God is not responsible for our existence and thereby the existence of DNA as our basis? Is he not omnipotent then?

sure i mean you could do that but what are the axiomatic postulates that would predefine Mckay and how to best understand him?

its not like they just say

something yada yada GOD

they describe the features of the something and call it GOD

you can call it something else if you want but your talking about the same thing unless you have your own postulates and axioms and again you can have those aswell

but it turns out everybody who every thinks about it becomes religious lmao and practises belief based religous ideologies

its like the peterson thing where he says you just dont know your doing it

In a world where there is nothing my body wouldn't be able exist to begin with

I never said the dark room had nothing, because a room by itself is something, and you are also something.
The only thing I did do, is take away your ability to observe the passing of time, and asked you - does this mean you abandoned time itself?

That moron kike completely contradicted himself last night while playing his stupid little denial game with his invalid definition of atheism.

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Ghost of Mesa ID:GDO96QGm Mon 19 May 2025 05:50:16 No.505071437

>Every child born

Is not an atheist by definition

Correct.

Kike verbatim agreed every child is not an atheist by definition
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Ghost of Mesa ID:nTM9eyPA Mon 26 May 2025 20:48:45 No.505674547 Report

>Babies are babies. Their lack of belief in God or gods is an example of atheism being the default position

They lack belief in God or gods. They have zero knowledge of them. So of Gnostic means with knowledge and Agnostic means without knowledge then they are Agnostic atheist

Kike later says babies are agnostic atheists

He'll just double down on his errors every time no matter how much of a fool it makes him.

Atheism is a mental disease

And Peterson is wrong when you tiptoes around his own stance on the matter. How do you or JP define your God?

You think being in a dark room means one can't observe time?

you need to grow up

Found you.

This dude is so assblasted over me.

He'll probably crash out ITT too lol

God is not responsible for our existence and thereby the existence of DNA as our basis? Is he not omnipotent then?

Omnipotence is not responsibility, it's ability to do anything and everything.

But since god also has the quality of omnipresence (and therefore he also exists in you), it means that everything you do is part of his will, even if not necessarily all his will combined.

You're not wrong

I know :^)

You think being in a dark room means one can't observe time?

Why do you think people invented clocks?
If you can observe time without clocks, then stop looking at them.

This. I'm utterly sick and tired of christcucks

i don't use those arguments because god being evil doesn't mean he doesn't exist. it just means an evil god exists

peterson is just an overated self-help guru

he's an ecumenical abrahamic who will never tell a jew to stop following judaism, a muslim to stop following islam, and a christian to stop following christianity. given his presence as a westerner, he probably has been the source of some conversions from judaism or islam to christianity, but that was by accident because he knows more about christianity than about islam or judaism, like most westerners.

So you are saying that God did not create us?

What does God's existence in me change? Does it change my DNA? My neuronal activation?
So there is no free will then? That seems rather problematic for most monotheistic religions.

Why do you think people invented clocks?

Do you make music? Do you nit understand that keeping a best is a form of keeping time?

If you can observe time without clocks, then stop looking at them.

Learn to compose music and you'll understand why you're limited

The top of the hierarchy is Reality itself. The material is God. Who is the better man, the materialist who kisses the cold night wind and loves the stars in the sky or the metaphysics cuck who spends all his life on his knees praying for something better after he dies?
Being a materialist is based. This term is seen as derogatory for no good reason as if being a nihilist cunt (who is more worried about some fake afterlife instead of improving the material conditions around him) is some kind of virtue. It's the mindset that allows all those jeets to live in filth without a care in the world. I was watching this video of a guy who traveled to bangladesh and went down on the grimy streets and these guys are praying 5 times a day and have mosques everywhere. How else would they cope with living in total filth?
Religiosity is nihilistic. Materialism is the future.

Nietzche wasn't an atheist though.
For god's sake, he popularized the concept of Apollonism and Dyonysism, and treated the "death of god" as a tragedy and not as a celebration

You blatantly contradicted yourself see

I was never into him, he’s a cuckservatives grifter junkie and his pop science bullshit reminded me of the same self help bullshit women eat up. It was sad seeing anons defend this kike golem but that seems to be a common think on Anon Babble now.

God is the moral standard, the shining light, the perfect source of good, love, and wisdom. Man, having been created by God, was created with perfect free will, a free will to love, to choose to follow the standards of God, and to shine with His light. God did not create mindless drones to "love" Him.

Atheist here, garden variety reddit atheists worship materialism and group think, often it is progressive, rugged individualism it is not.
I don't care what's in a J. Peterson video, Christianity settled the west. It's what kept America strong, taking risks such as pioneering that paid off, and philosophically cohesive yet maintaining individual freedoms and perspectives. I don't believe in mysticism but the country was founded as a Christian country and I respect their philosophy.

The left is trying to fill a philosophical void with cynical nihilism and ssris, they have no real purpose in 2025 because they have no real direction. Frankly the US will lose out to Islam if they are left in charge and the left will lose even harder when they are eventually thrown off buildings screaming about Palestine all the way down.

They'll fill this thread with thousands of strawmen against white christian (anglo saxon protestant) philosophy/worldview because that's what they've all been taught by reddit and DNCNN, MSDNC etc.
Yet the left is guilty of every single one of their strawmen ten fold.

I think Jeffersonian bibles should be mandatory reading material in schools as our founding philosophy. We cut the mysticism out and the separation of church and state argument goes out the window as it's technically no longer church, but civics. (Civics education being sorely lacking as well due to more liberal arts and dei programs wasting people's time and money.)

christianity kind of implies you can't complain about anything
because if you do you are blaspheming god by whining about his creation

if you are a christian you can't whine about race-mixing and anti-white racism because god allowed those to exist in the world

You blatantly contradicted yourself

Nope. You're leaving out where I mentioned we had a miscommunication.

This is how hurt your ego and feelings are. So much that you become willfully disingenuous

So you are saying that God did not create us?

no I didn't say that, how did you reach that interpretation?

What does God's existence in me change? Does it change my DNA? My neuronal activation?

changes the way you manifest in reality, and the way you behave. In a way (although this is a bad example) living without God is like living in a 2D world, and living with God is like living in a 3D world.

Jesus Christ is the truth and if you're an atheist or a pagan it means you're jewish or you've been /influenced/ by jewish thinkers.
No big deal, we all fall for bullshit at some time or another, and the good news is that Jesus Christ loves and will forgive you.

Agreed
Its a fallacy imo
There are a lot of metaphysical assumptions underlying and baked into what we call science (or physics), it is composed of abstract notions and axioms. I think that the very notion of 'one reality' (the precursor for objective reality) and that the rules of the universe are static and identical everywhere came hand in hand with religious thought (from religion originally i think), science use to be called the philosophy of nature etc...
Religions claim that there are 'eternal truths'. The whole scientific project is inspired by this. I'm not a religious person, but I do think that morality too stems from some eternal truth we aspire to discover, not make up/create, discover. And so i won't call myself atheist

Fair point. But I highlighted the specific one I did for you for a reason.
I'm sure you do use several others of those regularly, but I picked out the one I saw. If you'd like to go for bingo, you can.

garden variety reddit atheists worship materialism and group think

Agreed. The "woke" versions of atheist

Megachurch owners are the real Christians, they're using the religion for exactly what priestly Jews always intended their religion for; the material satisfaction of the priestly caste. Everybody below them who's actually taking the religion seriously is a dupe; the real users and owners of the religion are the priests.

Christians think the point of praying, confessing and attending church is self-discipline, moral fiber and a sense of place. The real point is to make sure the priest can pay his mortgage.

Nietzche wasn't an atheist though.

My man...Freddy is gonna be livid when I show him your post.

Circular argument. God exists because he is just so perfect and therefore a God.

The top of the hierarchy is Reality itself.

how can the environment which houses something, but the top of that same thing?
It's like saying that you have a chair in the room, and the room is the top of the chair - which makes no logical sense whatsorver.

Many pagans believed in material gods

I already answered you but it seems you didn't read it. The simple fact that I possess a mind that evolved to interpret patterns and repetitions in the world is evidence of time existing. Unless you transform the whole world into a state of chaos your hypothetical is trivial and meaningless.
Reality = God. They are one and the same. Embrace your role as a material being in the material world, it's all you can do.

I have no doubt. As did the Greeks and Romans

Why would the woke right humiliate JBP like this?

My man...Freddy is gonna be livid when I show him your post.

you need to go back to uni

That nigga was selling rugs before that nigga. Rugs

The Russia trip was just an indicator of who he really was all along

Reality = God

To you. You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

crazy to think that some pedosadists wrote bs like circumcision being a law of god to justify their kink:

And God spoke to Abraham saying: This is my covenant which you shall keep between me and you and thy seed after you - every male child among you shall be circumcised. Genesis 17:10–14

THESE PEOPLE ARE BASED

Lists a jew lover who crashed out over anti-semitism and thought Germans should be killed for being jealous of muh precious jews

A jew lover (literal) who took back everything later in life

What a great list so far
I mean the majority of jews are athiest so it makes sense

Ghost of Mesa AZ kike blatantly contradicts itself:

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Ghost of Mesa ID:GDO96QGm Mon 19 May 2025 05:50:16 No.505071437

>Every child born

Is not an atheist by definition

Correct.

Kike verbatim agreed every child is not an atheist by definition

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Ghost of Mesa ID:nTM9eyPA Mon 26 May 2025 20:48:45 No.505674547 Report

>Babies are babies. Their lack of belief in God or gods is an example of atheism being the default position

They lack belief in God or gods. They have zero knowledge of them. So of Gnostic means with knowledge and Agnostic means without knowledge then they are Agnostic atheist

Kike later says babies are agnostic atheists

See

no I didn't say that, how did you reach that interpretation?

You said the good is in our DNA. But then you said that God did not cause the good in us because that would interfere with out free will.

changes the way you manifest in reality, and the way you behave. In a way (although this is a bad example) living without God is like living in a 2D world, and living with God is like living in a 3D world.

I am not accepting this manifesting bullshit as an argument. That's what scammer on TikTok talk about all day to get your money. The way I behave is the result of my neuronal activation. So how does God do that without taking away my free will?

jbp vs 20 atheists

pretty sure that's 21 atheists and 1 larper

The simple fact that I possess a mind that evolved to interpret patterns and repetitions in the world is evidence of time existing

How is this different from saying:

The simple fact that I possess a mind that evolved to interpret patterns and repetitions in the world is evidence of GOD existing

?

You observe patterns and treat them as proof of time's existence.
Other people observe patterns and treat them as proof of God's existence.

I can respect this

when I looked at some of his lectured and realized he as arbitrarily giving meaning to stories and concepts that were obviously not about whatever he was saying.

Whether or not God exists was not part of the argument. In a theist worldview, God is the standard of morality. To reject His standard is to go your own way, which is warfare against God.

The kike lost defending christianity? well, no shit

and you're cumming from it being the fucking attention craving name faggot that you are, what a fucking sad existence, get friend you fucking queer

He'll probably crash out ITT too lol

Hahaha I'm right

His whole shtick was to not worship some weak idol but get rid of your own nihilism left behind by Christianity. Looking for some new god is literally become the Last Man.

JP has been outdated, he represents monarchy and it's awkward because he reminds people that rightwing is more than just being based and tribal, it's also about elevated an elite. It's contradictory because the right fancies itself as anti-elite, but that's because they have refined it and used the two party system to fool people into thinking it's Hollywood, Harvard, and the Clintons and not oil companies, Musk, and Trump. The result is that billionaires were handed the country to fight "the elite". So now Peterson is here to tell you culture war is for the peasants and everything else you need the aristocracy to figure out. And the aristocracy is better off without your input.

The real point is to make sure the priest can pay his mortgage.

That's the best case scenario.

The totality of Reality is something that transcends the cognitive ability of the human mind. It's the closest to a God we will ever get and it's worthy of praise. No wonder the ancient ones worshiped the sun and the moon. Now it's time to evolve and see that it's the totality the is worthy of praise. Enough childish nonsense about metaphysics and other gay shit.
God = Reality. Cut the crap and man up faggots.

Reality = God. They are one and the same.

You could try to say that, but the problem is that the human mind does NOT possess the ability to observe ALL of reality in its raw unfiltered form (the brains, the eyes, the neurological system simply doesn't have that level of computing power), this is why people often make mistakes, misinterpretations, forget things, or experience Mandela effects, deja vu, and self-lying phenomena.

So while you say that Reality = God,
what you are saying in effect is that "Something which I do not fully understand nor can observe" = God.

Have you ever just thought about how unpleasant the birthing process is?

But then you said that God did not cause the good in us because that would interfere with out free will.

are you confusing me for someone else? I never said anything about "good" in this entire conversation

brother how do you define your dogmatic belif based pathology when thinking about a god i dont tip toe i man handle

i define gone as the initial essence of creation the set of sets that both contains and defines itself.

what can you define at all?

The way I behave is the result of my neuronal activation. So how does God do that without taking away my free will?

I personally do not believe in free will, because it mathematically cannot be proven

I personally do not believe in free will, because it mathematically cannot be proven

Then you don't believe in love, in empathy, in God.

His whole shtick was to not worship some weak idol but get rid of your own nihilism left behind by Christianity. Looking for some new god is literally become the Last Man.

And his solution was to become God

Jist like I said.

Here's a quote from me replying to you accusation in that thread

>you agreed babies are not atheists by definition

No, that's the misunderstanding. The term babies are not the definition of atheism, their lack of theism is. That's the misunderstanding

No, that's the misunderstanding. The term babies are not the definition of atheism, their lack of theism is. That's the misunderstanding

No, that's the misunderstanding. The term babies are not the definition of atheism, their lack of theism is. That's the misunderstanding

This is how hurt your ego and feelings are. So much that you become willfully disingenuous

Thanks for proving I'm right again

see

Bro got folded by a bunch of high school-tier dimwits, unbelievable.
He should just kill himself.

Then you don't believe in love, in empathy, in God.

Well I transcended the need to, because I know love, I know empathy, I know God.
I guess you can accuse me of lying, and say that my "knowing" of those things is still on belief level. Perhaps so, perhaps not

the idea of good is programmed into humanity on a DNA level

I don't have a beliefe therefore it is not dogmatic.

i define gone as the initial essence of creation the set of sets that both contains and defines itself.

This means nothing. It's just an ensamble of words. I don't define God because I don't believe in the existence.
The goal is to become the Übermensch. I don't think Nietzsche talks about god in that sense.

are you a Christian?

no

Literal fuckin comedy show kek

sorry that was a mistype, I meant to say:

the idea of god is programmed into humanity on a DNA level

The goal is to become the Übermensch. I don't think Nietzsche talks about god in that sense.

it's his replacement for god

environmental and genetic factors determine human behavior
therefore free will doesn't exist

if you have autism and you are born into an islamic society you are going to act in a certain way determined by environmental and genetic factors

christians like nick fuentes contradict themselves when they say free will exists and then they say IQ and low impulse control dictate the behavior of blacks(which is determinism not free will)

That isn't why you aren't supposed to grumble. It has a lot more to do with what is in your heart when you are grumbling. In the Old Testament the Israelites were to never complain about God, and in the new testament a Christians shouldn't let his thoughts turn dark, he's meant to inspire hope. But, there's still a requirement to expose and admonish evil. The bible never promoted racemixing and it's condemned in the old testament. Even in the new testament entire people are described in plain terms, which would be considered racist today. That's why racemixing only became popularized after the counterculture of the hippies.

JP is a retard who lacked the intelligence to decipher schizo ramblings in 2012 while anons were digesting redpills on reddit. buzzword boomer. did felt like every zoomer questioning was geeked the fk out and/or a celebrity ‘Substance’ clone. sht was uncanny. half of them looked and sounded like seinfeld kikes. and that kike from scrubs. sht was actually weird. lizzie people o.O

people are tired of christkikery because most of white men's achievements were not thanks to the kike beliefs but their own ingenuity, the same way the white men did before christkikery

He fell off after his medical incident. Benzos broke him. I think it did some kind of permanent neurological damage

That isn't relevant though. You can be absolutely sure about it, and that's fine, but to deny free will is to say there is no love, no God. For if a man is hard wired to love, is he really loving? If God cannot love a sinner, can He truly be loving? But God does love sinners, which is why He sent us Jesus Christ. It was a choice, not a forced move. We did not force God to love us, nor can we do ANYTHING to deserve His love.

It's the most logical way to look at the world, everything else is pure retardation.
Are you pretending to be retarded at this point or what? I already explained that time is by definition based on the repetition of events in material reality (sun goes up, sun goes down). God is by definition a conscious creator deity that's metaphysical, the repetitions in the world are not sufficient to prove its existence.
Do better metacuck

kek so you cant define anything and then dont accept defonition's

pottery

anon i said god is the set of sets its a paradoxical math problem (not that paradoxical really)

it is essentially saying that god is everything we are all just derivatives and yet everything is not god
you however said "im to stupid to notice that when i think about religion i become pathalogicaly religious for unknown reasons"

your belif that you dont even need to answer the question that was fairly posed is so deeply pathalogical in nature that it requires explination without a question being asked

why are you like this?

He was probably telling the truth and converted to Judaism kek.

It's the most logical way to look at the world

For you. And that's cool man. Do what works for you

The video referenced in OP is a smug faggot thinking that being smug makes him correct. Bitch doesn’t even know what thinking is, and never makes a coherent point. Moreover, nobody should watch (much less take seriously) a literal retarded cocksucking cuck manlet for any reason. This thread is full of kindergarten sophistry with plebbit-spacing. Go find a better slide thread instead of bumping this cancer. Sage

clips

Is there any video where they mostly stem from to see how he fared?
I can’t judge on hearsay because The press were bombarding with headlines that Gavin Newsom Absolutely throttled Ron DeSantis when Gavin Newsom literally within the first five minutes just absolutely praised Biden, And it was an absolute win for DeSantis.

Ghost of Mesa AZ kike blatantly contradicts itself, always...

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Ghost of Mesa ID:GDO96QGm Mon 19 May 2025 05:50:16 No.505071437

>Every child born

Is not an atheist by definition

Correct.

Kike verbatim agreed every child is not an atheist by definition

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Ghost of Mesa ID:nTM9eyPA Mon 26 May 2025 20:48:45 No.505674547 Report

>Babies are babies. Their lack of belief in God or gods is an example of atheism being the default position

They lack belief in God or gods. They have zero knowledge of them. So of Gnostic means with knowledge and Agnostic means without knowledge then they are Agnostic atheist

Kike later says babies are agnostic atheists

See

but to deny free will is to say there is no love, no God

not really
existence of love and God has absolutely nothing to do with free will.

And especially with regard to love I can easily prove it to you:
You DO NOT choose who to love, you simply cannot chose that. Love always comes to you, and all you can do is participate in it. There is absolutely nothing "free" about that

Jewden Peterstein hasn't been relevant for years.

I don't have a beliefe therefore it is not dogmatic.

truth based claim on self admited belif based logic

pathalogical belif based claim

This means nothing. It's just an ensamble of words. I don't define God because I don't believe in the existence.

refutation of argumentation based on dogmatic belif based system to the point of absurdity and quite litterly cognative dissonenceing reality out of the equation

kek anon you dont even know your doing it everybody who thinks deeply about god becomes like this to an extent its an epiphenomina

one way of looking at it is the religous minded opens them selfs to a higher power

and the athiestic element doggedly clings to personal power

this. his lectures from 10 years ago are still great

I already explained that time is by definition based on the repetition of events in material reality (sun goes up, sun goes down)

1. Time requires an observer in order to exist.
2. There is nothing in the universe that is able to repeat in a perfect cycle, therefore there is no "repetition" to speak of. The sun does not rise the same way every day, the seasons do not come on the same day every year. People are never born with same features. No person lives the exact same amount of time from birth to death.
There is zero repitition in reality

You DO NOT choose who to love

What about in the context of God? Does he have a choice? If He does, then humans, created in His image, do as well. If not, then God would not be truly powerful, would He? And it would be foolish for you to continue believing in a god without free will.
Or has God made people evil to go straight to hell? If so, how can God be good, if what He made is evil? But evil is a corruption of that which is good.

What I'm saying is that to understand Reality fully would make you indistinguishable from a "God" since the material is all there is. I am also saying that this understanding goes beyond what a human mind is capable of and that's why you should replace God with Reality if you want a better concept of God.
That will be the God of the atheists in the future but for now we still have to talk about metaphysics and this concept of a metaphysical conscious God. It's a sad state of affairs.

Nah it was being flown to a rehab facility in fucking Belarus or some shit and being placed into a medically induced coma to wait out the withdrawals. I imagine during that time something like Metal Gear Solid V happened where he was MK Ultra'd to the gills to be programmed to ravenous service the nearest Jewish cock presented to him at all times. The reward being a miraculous new hairline, steroids, a tan, and a wardrobe of hideous clownworld suits and ties

I'm just going to reference this post each time my adoring fan has a crash out

We are losing all of our right wing political influencers

Juden Peniswash isn't right wing. He's a shabbos neolib neocon.

What are we going to do?

Point and laugh at the grifting shabbos whore - that's what.

What about in the context of God? Does he have a choice? If He does, then humans, created in His image, do as well.

Humans were created in God's image AND likeness. But as it goes by the story of Eden, humans lost God's likeness when they were banished from Eden.
What this means - is that while humans carry God's image, they lack God's powers/personality/intentions.

What I'm saying is that to understand Reality fully would make you indistinguishable from a "God"

yeah this may be partially true, however to understand it fully is not enough, you also need to have the ability to change reality at will, in order to be godly in a classical sense

When he started trying to explain away jewish over-representation around 2018
Also " i can't do it"

you ask the question, get many replies, and reply to none. anons that gave a proper answer, stop being so self important.

deny free will

No such thing really. We are all bound by cause and effect. Theist have extra layers because they typically believe in a higher power that has a will that supercedes theirs

What's your alternative?
It doesn't matter if the repetition is "perfect", whatever you mean by that. For all intents and purposes "sun goes up, sun goes down" is a perfect repetition that allows us to measure the days and come up with the concept of time. So "time" is directly linked with repetitions in reality.
I see you're just trolling because I refuse to believe anyone would say this

No person lives the exact same amount of time from birth to death.

There is zero repitition in reality

it's too retarded to even reply to. If you can't refute my point why not just concede it? Why are you clinging to metasoysics so hard?

It doesn't matter if the repetition is "perfect", whatever you mean by that. For all intents and purposes "sun goes up, sun goes down" is a perfect repetition that allows us to measure the days and come up with the concept of time. So "time" is directly linked with repetitions in reality.

so if people didn't have eyes as creatures, and would not be able to observe the sun - would that mean time doesn't exist?

taking Jewish goy puppets seriously

NGMI, faggots

I refuse to answer

Years ago his fall from grace began when he couldn't answer some question about the jews. I'm sure many of you remember that.
Takes people to task for refusing to believe without foundation, then refuses to say what that foundation is, and proceeds defines it out of all meaningful substance, and does so aggressively and arrogantly to boot. This is pathetic. He's upset every time people outside his echo-chamber do not kowtow to his word salads.

God is beyond the material by definition.There is the world, earth, which is created and temporary. God is the creator. Without God, there would be no creation because you need a creator to design it and actualize it. Materialism makes the assumption that by removing the existence of a creator you can still have a creation simply because western culture has been Christian and posits that the world is created and physical. You are drawing upon blocks while ignoring the foundation that led to those blocks being placed. The logical conclusion of atheism is absurdism, not materialism, because the foundation is lack of belief. In order to posit that the world is objective and definable then you must inherently appeal towards a transcendent concept as it is outside of yourself. If your foundation is interpersonal lack of belief then that is a subjective starting point, not an objective one. According to your own foundation, you have no means of proving that material reality exists to begin with. Existence might as well all be a product of your own perception because you have failed to build on any objective base. Materialism is only tenable through a deist worldview, otherwise it leads to incoherency.

Jordan Peterson

right wing

LOL. He's a gatekeeper for Shlomo. His job is to keep Whites from waking up and fighting back.

Throughout his public career, the one consistent strain in Jordan Peterson's political ideology seems to be a subtle anti-White animus. The thing that terrifies him more than anything else is the possibility that Whites will start to organize collectively and stand up for their own interests (and survival).

If we were unable to detect any repetitions in reality (not just with eyes) that we could use as references that allowed us to measure what we call time then yea, it wouldn't exist as far as we know.
If we were such creatures we would not be human to begin with, we would have a brain that did not evolve to detect patterns. So the "people" in your hypothetical aren't really people, they're some weird alien lifeform.

Atheists have literally the most incoherent worldview possible

Not as incoherent as thinking the malignant kike demongod of foreskins is actually somehow the Monad aka mr42sGod

jewrdan

he's a shabbos dick smoker, i'm glad

Jordan Peterson was always supposed to look like a giant retard. He's controlled opposition. Just like Alex Jones, just like nick Fuentes.

just before 12 rules came out, more or less
i still think some of his old psych lectures at univ. of toronto are pretty interesting.

Ah, I see.
I wanna rephrase that then. The psychological need to find an excuse for certain things that lack apparent explanation is intrinsic to the human race.
Which is totally fine and does not support the existence of God in the first place.
Just because you use words does not mean that they make sense. If that is your definition then I reject said definition and we are none the wiser.
I am not a staunch atheist. You are trying to poison the well here. All I did in this thread was asking questions which get dodged by the religious side. The same thing JP did in the video.
People format your posts differently. I can't comprehend your mumbo jumbo in the slightest.

Atheists have literally the most incoherent worldview possible

that's because almost all western atheists have not actually rejected god but the judaeochristian conception of god, which peterson actually states early in the video. the more incoherent that conception of god appears to empirical evidence, coupled with a belief that science alone provides knowledge, guarantees that the christian to atheist pipeline keeps going.

so you're confirming that the only reason time exists is because we imagined it in our head (so time is a subjective concept, not an objective reality which could be proven outside of the human experience).

But that's metaphysics.

However, to add to the above, in general you kind of are providing a super weird example as evidence (repetition), because in the common human mind repetition is always associated with "frozen time" or "lack of time", rather than the presence of time. Especially in the mythos and ethos of humanity, stories of being "stuck in a loop" are used as metaphors for time not timing anymore.

What's your alternative?

As for what started it all? I don't know

As for morality? Genuine empathy

As for morality? Genuine empathy

They why do different cultures create different kinds of morality?

The psychological need to find an excuse for certain things that lack apparent explanation is intrinsic to the human race.

This is outside of the realm of excuses. And more in the realm of archetypes.

The "excuse" logic doesn't really work here, because if it were the case, then cultures around the world would find very different excuses to fill the void. However they didn't.
No matter how disconnected from each other, every human society on the planet ended up creating divinities, gods, deities of some sort.
This is why I'm saying it's part of the human DNA.

look dude say whatever you want you asked me a question i answerd

i asked you a question you refused to answer in fact you said you dont have to answer

not only did you do that you said i dont like your answer/understand it

no problem but i then defined you and your pathology

your now saying that i am dodgeing questions........
pure projection saying that i am "well poisioning"

again anon its clear to see whats going on here if your unaware of what you are doing/saying thats fine unfortunately that is what you have done.

Fuck the Protestant menace. Protestants are slimy snakes that deserve to be destroyed once they're found. He got everything he deserved. If you're Protestant, you've got every right to read the riot act to every pastor, priest, and anyone whoever groomed you. You were left unprepared for the real world and have NO ANSWERS.
Imagine being a PhD, age 62, and losing your ass in a DICK MEASURING CONTEST against somebody 30+ years your junior.
Be Catholic. Be Eastern Orthodox. Be atheist. Be agnostic. Be Pagan. Be a screaming National Socialist. These are positions you can defend.
But you cannot defend Protestantism. It is 3000+ denominations of self-styled narcissistic OOZE.

This is just my own 2 shekkels on the matter

A bee does not know, nor care, about it's vital role in pollination. The bee is horny for nectar, honey stash gives it sense of security, colony gives it safety and purpose. The fact that the bee isn't aware of the bigger picture changes nothing. The bee's choice is her own (to a lower consciousness degree) and many other factors are involved and benefit. The bee is a part of a bigger system it does not even begin to comprehend, yet this entire environment of plants, oxygen, trees, etc is necessary for the bee and the bee serves an important role in it.

Because it works for them.

It goes all the way back to tribalism. People grouped in tribes based on the same shared ideas/morals/rituals etc. This helped them survive and this is how a society is eventually built

This is why I'm saying it's part of the human DNA.

And that's true. But it proves that everyone is just wrong because these Gods can't exist at the same time. So it's like a biological analogy but the root cause is not God but the psychological need.

I think you are just a lunatic. At least the other posters in this thread can form coherent sentences. I am afraid you need to take your meds, sir.

kek somebody cant afford a divorce.

what difference does it make?
different cultures have different understandings of a lot of things. it doesn't mean that there's no truth outside of us. people misunderstand true things all the time.

All of those people have said really good things from time to time.
Burying your head in the sand is just silly, mate.

The bee's choice is her own

Or is it instinct?

Nice analogy. One never goes wrong with an apropos nature analogy! Makes sense.

So it's like a biological analogy but the root cause is not God but the psychological need.

the saying goes: where there is flame, there is fire. What you are invoking now is a question of chicken and the egg - whether it is God that created the need, or whether it is the need that created God.
In my personal opinion, and my honest answer to this - it doesn't matter, they are one and the same, because both the need and the God appeared simultaniously.

Your error is upon making the assumption that humans are prized and defined by capacity for reason rather than all of the facets that comprise humanity in itself. Logical deduction is an insufficient mechanism for determining humanity’s worth because human beings are not robotic reasoning automatons devoid of frontal lobe functions. This is the great lie of rationalism: positing that humans can attain value through mechanisms that are inherently incapable of fulfilling it. To argue that capacity for reason is sufficient for comprising all of a human being is no different from a body builder positing that life is all about lifting and flexing muscles; it’s an inherently reductionist viewpoint that portrays an incomplete understanding as to what a person is. You will never remove yourself from the human capacity to socialize.

Yes. And why would God give people different sets of morality and why does God need a spaceship?
A question nobody answered is why God even does all those things. God is just a convenient excuse for the gaps in my world view.
We were talking about how God is directly responsible for the creation of morality but I still disagree with you.
The existence of truth outside of us is debatable. I don't believe in objective truths.

kek this almost seems like wait i know this one errr hmm its somewhat well known around theese parts infact

whats the errr ohhh itss on the tip off my tounge ahhh thats right

go back to or form an argument everybody knows that what you have no argument you simpily start screeching

Without God, there would be no creation because you need a creator to design it and actualize it.

If you call it a "creation" then yes it would need a "creator", but this is just a circular claim based on nothing.

Materialism makes the assumption that by removing the existence of a creator you can still have a creation simply because western culture has been Christian and posits that the world is created and physical.

Materialism is simply acknowledging the physical-material-reality we live in and can interact with. There's no need for superfluous notions of gods and metaphysics.

In order to posit that the world is objective and definable then you must inherently appeal towards a transcendent concept as it is outside of yourself.

I appeal to the senses, the mind, and reality itself. If you want to call those things "transcendent" then so be it but there's no need to introduce some weird complexity that's beyond the material.

a subjective starting point, not an objective one

The use of subjective/objective is a sophist tactic that has no merit in such discussions. All conceptions of God as traditionally understood are "subjective". Objective is synonymous with Reality. So by basing myself in material-reality as a materialist, I am the one closest to objectivity.

According to your own foundation, you have no means of proving that material reality exists to begin with

Pointless statement. You are relying heavily on the standard of "proof" being something unattainable by definition, which is a two bladed sword that I can use to attack your unnecessarily complex God concept. If nothing can be "proven" why are we invoking specific gods instead of other gods? You are self-destructing your position by using this argument.

objective base

There is that word again. Noone can be more objective than the materialist who points to Reality as the ultimate standard

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But that's the atheist's take on God then. You can argue both sides but I am free to choose to believe in either side. I am simply choosing to go with the simple explanation of humans being humans.
God bless your soul. I hope things will get better for you.

JP can be a complete pedantic retard over making every definition meta-aware. If he doesn't know the answer he should just say it and then elaborate if they want.
The kid is just a dumb atheist who needs to put his debate opponent into a box that is irrelevant to the discussion.

Mostly this is on JP for accepting a format that he is literally incapable of performing in. He needs to go on Jesse Lee Peterson to understand why giving concise answers is important.

But that's the atheist's take on God then

it isn't, because the atheist take is that humans exist outside of god, and god (whether real or not) is a separate entity.
While what I said in my comment was:

they are one and the same, because both the need and the God appeared simultaniously

In other words the need for God cannot exist without God.

thanks anon that's nice sorry for exposing you so badly atleast the other guy your talking with hasnt noticed yet. you should really form some basis before getting in over your head and being forced to expose the lack of depth in argumentation/understanding good luck in the future

That's not metaphysics, there is a direct relation between repetitions in the world (sun goes up and down, earth goes around the sun, quartz vibration on a watch) and the concept we call time.

It's like if I tell you to put your hand in the hot oven and now you're rationalizing how the pain is metaphysic because the concept of pain is independent from the phenomenon itself.

It's a bunch of crap. Drop the metaphysics cringe and man up

It's like if I tell you to put your hand in the hot oven and now you're rationalizing how the pain is metaphysic because the concept of pain is independent from the phenomenon itself.

pain is observed the same way by most people, so it is objective and can be measured objectively

time is not observed the same way, neither by people nor by animals or insects. And perception of time can even be influenced by emotions or focus

Jordan Peterson went on to debate and defend Christianity against 20 atheist zoomers

sounds like a retarded shitshow

I don't know where you got the idea? I never said humans are pure reason and no emotion, I let myself get emotional in this exchange multiple times as a way to engage fully in the human experience. You're assigning a position to me that I don't have

It definitely plays a part.
The illusion isn't in the choice
It is in the self, the ego. That's the thing that dissolves if you poke around too much... Not reality, nor cause and effect and not morality and consequences
Maybe im just a schizo... I'm but a limited creature

time is the measurment of motion anon time=movement theirs nothing independent about it

relativistic time is our orientation towards said motion

aka go at the speed of light (motion) experience time differently

time is what we call things that are observably happening in relation to motion (our's specifically) creating subjective interpritations of an objective phenomina

To be fair, JP shit the bed first with his retarded first take.
Why would an atheist not accept human nature as an explanation for our behavior? Feels like a satisfactory answer to me.

In other words the need for God cannot exist without God.

No, that's not the logical interference from that idea. It's like saying that magic exists because people feel a need to watch magic shoes. Kids take this to the extreme when they are young by attributing causal events to some invisible force. I don't think that religion is much different for adults. The idea of an omnipotent being creating us and giving us comfort after death is a genius idea that can easily be created regardless of the existence of said being. Take the largest scam artist in the world, the Catholic Church, for instance. I don't mind people believing in God. But claiming that you have found the one and only is pretty retarded.
I will do that. Wait for me at the Gates of Heaven and I will destroy you in front of St. Peter or whatever the toll booth operator's name is.

time is the measurment of motion anon time=movement theirs nothing independent about it

so if you do not move, then there is no time

Is it? Different people have different pain thresholds even though the phenomenon is the same and the pain is supposedly the same. How "objective" is it?
It's a silly game to play.
The point is not that different people can have different perceptions but that time is based in repetition therefore it's physical. Simple as.

relativisticaly speaking yes but since that is impossible because in order to not move you need the heat death of the universe (its also being cold hilariously lmao)

but if for some reason you slowed yourself down i dont know but i think what hapens is relativistically the way you interprit time changes

(the motion still happens but the way you expirience it changes)

No, that's not the logical interference from that idea

it kind of is, because everyone is born with a concept of god. The need for god is not learned, only a formulation of what god COULD be - is learned.
Similarly with magic - the source of magic are miracles. But the source of miracles are many things ralated to perception and relationship to reality.

but if for some reason you slowed yourself down i dont know but i think what hapens is relativistically the way you interprit time changes

well the fun part is that we have no way of proving this scientifically, because we cannot stop the universe to do an experiment.
So time remeains metaphysical (not able to be proven scientifically)

And why would God give people different sets of morality

I don't believe a God did. But if I had to guess, it would be to teach us lessons

God is just a convenient excuse for the gaps in my world view.

Agreed

the personal expirience is in comparison to others

for you it goes at the same speed but for others it is completly different its been a while but

if you travel close to the speed of light you expirience time as normal yet the for the people on earth every few secconds foryou is thousands of years for them

it would be the same at the slow end

yeah so time is subjective, aka - metaphysical
because physics are about objectivity

Or it is impacted by speed / distance and the difference is not subjective but measurable.

The illusion isn't in the choice

Its thinking that choice=freedom. Which really isn't. The "Freedom" comes with understanding that each choice has the potential for consequences we'd never imagine.

I envy the bee.

time is a concept anon to describe a phenomina

Atoms decay
the sun rises ect

we use time to describe it

time is a concept in the human mind but whats actually happening is very real

its confusing because we actualy have individual interpritations of the objective phenomina (this can be proven in extreem circumstances ie stop the universe a black hole traveling at the speed of light ect)

but the thing time is describing is actually happening its not us expirienceing it that makes it happen

if you did not exist people would still get old cellswould reach the hayflick limit stars would implode galaxys would go dark

Or it is impacted by speed / distance and the difference is not subjective but measurable.

measurable by a metaphysical assumption.

A second has an exact definition based on real observable phenomenon. This is a physical thing that exists in the universe.

im pretty sure they measured it by light bending on a solar eclipse or something rofl

all you are saying is that things happen, but I don't understand why time has to be a key component in the phenomenon of happenings

A second has an exact definition based on real observable phenomenon. This is a physical thing that exists in the universe.

a second is an arbitary devision, there is no objective measure of a second.
In fact, time flows differently on top of mountains from how it flows closer to earth's core. Clocks desynchornise because of it

time=movement

so everything is always moveing

we call it time.
Soon after the theory of general relativity was published in 1915, the English astronomer Arthur Eddington considered Einstein’s prediction that light rays are bent near a massive body, and he realized that it could be verified by carefully comparing star positions in images of the Sun taken during a solar eclipse with images of the same region of space taken when the Sun was in a different portion of the sky.

thats how they did it btw

Or physical testing? You could just use a clock instead of a person.

it kind of is, because everyone is born with a concept of god.

I don't know about that. As far as I can remember I never thought too much about some heavenly being and I was in a Catholic kindergarten. At the end of the day it's not provable IMO. If we go with the rationalists' take then there probably is an a priori concept for some divine being. However, without an environment that feeds you information about such an entity you probably would not believe in a god. It's why nowadays far less people believe in God than 200 years ago. It's as Nietzsche said. With people understanding more about the world the need for god as an explanation of things is just not needed anymore.

Similarly with magic - the source of magic are miracles. But the source of miracles are many things ralated to perception and relationship to reality.

People love Harry Potter books because the idea of suspending the laws of physics is intriguing to most people. However, I hope we all agree that magic isn't real outside of literature.
I just wanna reiterate that an a priori concept of a divine being does not prove its existence.
I would be fine with theism if it's as Kierkegaard postualted. Just admit that it's a leap of faith and you got no proof. The existence of God can only be argued if you admit that you are probably wrong but it's the better alternative in your personal case. Don't try to make the impossible happen.

time=movement

so everything is always moveing

we call it time.

why do you need to create 2 words to describe 1 thing?

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there is no objective measure of a second

completely false. there is an objective hard definition of a second.

I suggest you look into Carl Jung's work, he studied why people have very similar dreams despite coming from very different cultures and backgrounds