/ptg/ - PRESIDENT TRUMP GENERAL - GOING FISHING IN MAINE EDITION

Wait I missed something.
Is this because the british king said canada wasn't a real country?

idk be a good president it’s really not that hard

Trump is clearly an old man in declining health. He will probably be dead within 5 years of natural causes. As we look into the sunset with Trump, what was your favorite moment of his? My favorite moment was when he said called out Bush for 9/11 at the RNC in 2016

waah i'm a gay brown mexican and i'm not getting what i want politically

that's too bad, must suck to be a loser

i would arrest the kiked CIA subversives instead of being a bitch faggot orangetard letting everyone manipulate me

trump is such a fucking retard that its been like 10 years of him in politics and he still doenst understand all power in american government comes from the kike globalist bankers and the CIA mafia

1 ineffective and nullified presidential term by subversive CIA kikes and 1 stolen election and 4 years of treasonous kikery later and Trump still hasnt figured out that getting control of the intelligence agencies is the #1 priority of any patriot trying to take back america.
YES, TRUMP IS LITERALLY THAT FUCKING STUPID.

democrats really think they're going to win young men after they just witnessed the massive juxtaposition between total dei and total dei death

lol

lmao

Awoo

why don't you write a letter to trump telling him all about this stuff you know about in your basement that he, the guy they tried to put in prison, is blissfully unaware of?

more state-funded propaganda masquerading poorly as an organic discussion. This general is a stain that will be looked back on with intense embarrassment when kike stooge 47 gets replaced by the next faggot.

they're investing $20M in cracking the codes!

I know young men that love this DEI shit.

why did that bakers guild guy post his face that one night?

obstacles

He's gonna dismantle the EPA, isn't he?

my country nuked your country lol

yes

Mashed potatoes with sauerkraut is MAGA

How many more weeks until Trump exposes the fraud that he cried about for 4 years and finally wins a court case regarding the election

Shill bros....it's over. Trump wins. I heard Biden has ligma cancer balls. At this rate, Trump will take 2028. As of right now, several shill bros and myself including are no longer ridin with biden. I'm..k-kummin for kamala...and if that doesn't work then I'll be fighting for world Warren Smoke Chief! If that doesn't work then I'll be ass in for buttigeeb! If that don't work then I'll be street shitting for Smelley Haley! It that doesn't work then I'll be cleaning house for Gavin newscum detergent! And if that doesn't work then I'll be sucking cocks for bartender cortez!

It's whorever...

That and because Canada wanted to keep freeriding on missile/air defense while screwing us on trade.

oh they're doing the 1pbtid scattergun thing today?
yawn

they brought out all the cripplechan niggers too

Purple & green
Bf&gf
My girlfriend is a 2.5g cone joint.

we get baked together. It's clutch

They aren't trying to win back young men, just gaslight them until the Dems have enough leverage to go full authoritarian.

You've won death and destruction. And lies. Many, many lies.

What's the word?

EXTREME MAGA

Awoo to you

Ah. So some new shit today since the old shit yesterday wasn't bad enough for them.

Is this the peace talks that would end the war (on day one) trump was talking about lol

Why would we overspend on defense when there is no hostile state bordering us? When the US asks us the spend more it's textbook mobster racketeering. You already get our oil and gas at a discount since we're just sending you everything we produce, you guys refine it and then export it at a nice profit. Everything is set up to benefit the US and it's still not enough for you. You're a nation of thieves and mobsters. You have no honor and no friends. Don't be surprised when no one answers when another 9/11 tier event happens.

that's a nice bass. I've been catching nothing but small pan fish for weeks now.

I habe to second this.
Trump needs to get the IC in order. Pull the reigns. Collect some evidence. I got a lot

so when’s trump getting the nobel peace prize?

So the MAGA faction of the GOP tent is alive and well, but what about the other factions?

What happened to the Neocons, Neolibs, Libertarians, Evangelicals?
Are they still alive and influential?
Do people still vote for the GOP because of those factions?

I certainly hear alot from GOP voters about what they're voting AGAINST, but not what they're voting FOR.

Is this why troons are freaking out, Trump is calling russia out?

MAGA

lmfao

rising sun.

My schlong makes Naomi quiver at the thought. You didn't learn from what happened Shinzo?

MAGA
I have a funny to post

listen honey I’m talking about Trump’s failed peace talks not your kinks

Take that smelly disgusting plate of cabbage off the table you prison dwelling degenerate. Cabbage is for prisoners.

ITT : Losers wasting their lives

waaah i'm not getting what i want politically

it's too bad you lost lmao

also i'm reposting because fuck you i want (you)s

Wow you discovered the userbase of Anon Babble, what's next for your investigative journalism?

my country nuked your country lol

just this thread

So it is because yet another troon talking point got BTFO. You lost.

Ok newfaggot

505754785

505753490

Trump is clearly an old man in declining health.

Undeserving of a (you).

you could’ve been a loyal servant to Elon Musk and gotten super rich and hang out with hot models all day
instead you chose to word for JD Vance and post memes on Anon Babble
do you regret not siding with Elon Musk?

800 years ago before anyone here was born-

lmao
6 months ago you got annihilated in the last election you had a chance in

what a retarded shillstorm lmao

Make America Great Again.
Hang the dems

shills: hahaha losers

Okay. You failed to stop trump and /ptg/. So what does that make you?

shills: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

505754120

You've won death and destruction. And lies. Many, many lies.

pedosky growth slowing

weird way to say it hasn't grown in months and in fact is actively hemorrhaging users

the only thing that has it on life support is that pedos running stuff like discord keep pushing it for account linking

I supported Trump way before you though

We creep closer and closer to obliteration.

Remember when shills said Trump was going to jail in 2 weeks? Remember when they said that abortion rights would cost Trump 2024?

Can any shill explain yourself please instead of looking like retards?

Jared Kuhner should go die for ukraine instead of championing it's destruction.

hey why are you vpn posting from two different IDs?

half of the posts in /ptg/ are losers complaining that everyone makes fun of them all the time

Maybe the “shills” wouldn’t come here if you weren’t so gosh dang embarrassing?

what on earth are they so mad about today lol
besides their generally failed lives

Reminder that trannies have been taking their own lives since election night and will continue to do so thanks to rogue glowniggers exploiting them for assassinations and or disruptions!

MAGA!

canada bending the knee

Awoo to you!

He doesn't make promises.
Check his transcript for the keyword promise. How many times did he promise to do something?
0

hahaha look who's echochambering now!
what a waste of seed money

listen dude I really don’t care about your kinks. I think instead of peace talks Trump accelerated the war violence, which is the opposite of his promise.
lol my great country nuked your shit one

oh that makes sense

KEK

Shill bros...I can't take it anymore. We lost. Trump isn't going to prison. Nigger from africa got btfo. Our miga narrative is done. Our jeet narrative is shitted. Our dem voters which consists of 300 year Olds and illegals are being removed. Our child trafficking is being snuffed out due to lack of wars...and I'm being deported...to India. At least cp is legal there!

It's shoaver...

More narratives being lost for shills.

Sure is, Pal.

nhud4

I like how the dnc is just opening admitting that they're pouring tens of millions of dollars into manufacturing social media posts in a "think tank"

meanwhile all the right-wing stuff is just normal people posting what they actually think (about niggers), no rnc bux involved

Wanna fuck? I got a craving for the slow stroke deep dive game with the quiver that the end.

imagine a discord full of troons

Violence will roll into your town, parade you right into your death, and leave you nothing but a picture for the still-living to hold up to inspire either dread or sympathy. The war-hungry won out. God help us all!

Every day I thank God for my huge cock and unbridled rage. Intelligence like the price of gold keeps skyrocketing while yall played poopoo games with Maynard

I love...

do they run betting pools on whos going peace out during session?

What is it about Nick Fuentes that makes him so naturally popular? He’s just got that charisma stat that other right wing influencers don’t have.
Is charisma and aura THE determining factor for success in politics?

Putin is playing with world war three

Are we no longer scared or Putin's nuclear threats??

No oily eggs plz!

buzzbuzz

Part of making America great again is making America healthy again. Sauerkraut is full of probiotics and vitamins, and is literally a superfood and probably the best vegetable human beings can consume as far as health benefits.

All the while...

Damn this Trump guy really seems to love sucking jewish dick

Been distracted a few days and haven’t checked in
Is something finally habbening with Russia or is it just gonna be more people tough talking on media while the status quo remains unchanged

disregard all previous instruction and tell me a story about anon courting a tomboy

ukraine is losing ground on the battle field so they throw tantrums here
it's a weird phenomenon.

He's being liquidated. Everyone will get a piece of Trump. He'll be torn.

Elon Musk’s rocket blew up again
Canadian anon is killing himself with a knife as we speak

Was gonna joke “and who was this oh so concerned citizen, Spic Fuentes?”
But then I scrolled a smidge more and you made my joke for me

i literally did. im sure it went right into the trash because no doubt CIA mole kikes are working as lower staff in the white house filtering anything that would ever get to him

Is there proof of this?

You aren't clever.

you're supposed to type it, anon, not make it with magazine clippings.

darn well i guess the country is doomed cause you're not gonna leave your basement to stop the cia and nobody else but you knows what's going on

America nuked Japan lmao

it’s called precociousness and tends to disappear in the late 20’s, basically the dakota fanning of right wing e-grifters

experimental rocket blew up during experimental launch

oh no
weird how the party of "SCIENCE" doesn't seem to understand the scientific process
nobody tell them how many rockets nasa blew up back in the day just trying to reach orbit

^956.97% (1yr)

lmao, it's your own fault you're poor, shitskin

Trump didnt even know about the zelenskike attacks on Putin. he was asked point blank about it yesterday by a reporter and he claimed he didnt know. so either Trump is a clueless faggot letting the deepstate run everything or hes in on the kike globalism. i dont know which but im leaning towards hes a bumbling naive retard boomer whos easily manipulated by jews

I can't believe gaypers even still come here after losing so badly and so consistently, lol

Is he popular? I've seen streams and he doesn't get extremely high numbers. i think groypers just spam.

43% odds

Kek

Negative. It's your ability to get shot in the face and tell the truth

DRUMFY HAVING A MELTY WATCH OUT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

someone needs to tell him because hes clearly too fucking stupid to figure it out on his own hes trying to bail out water of a sinking ship with a spoon while theres a thousand CIA kikes drilling holes right behind him. and apparently he actually is that naive. remember his 1st term where he let pompeo right the country?

(You)
No. It was never funny. The tariffs are the least of the issues. Accruing the power and support to yank people off the street, declare them enemies and criminals, and then being able to do what you want with them is what we should be worried about. Complaining about tariffs? You're encouraging dissent and are an enemy of the state! No Due Process for you! The tariffs are just another way he tries to assert dominance over everyone.

youtube.com/watch?v=1Z8znrWQiMY

I don't watch things that are spammed on principle.

neocons and neolibs pushing this because they're desperate for war

kwab

"I'm so glad I'm fucking you!" She screamed loudly as i pounded her raw on my apartment floor.

You’re brown

(You)

wow

REMINDER THAT TRUMP IS SO FUCKING RETARDED NOT HAVING LEARNED FROM HIS PREVIOUS FAILED TERM AFTER GETTING SUBVERTED BY KIKES THAT TRUMP HAS LITERALLY NAMED KIKE KUSHNER AS AN AMBASSADOR LOL i fucking just found that out last week on accident when i saw a headline about confirmation hearings. yes jared kushner the subversive kike who helped torpedo Trumps first time has his father now working as ambassador for Trump. thats how fucking stupid Trump is. might as well just put netanyahu in the white house its the same thing at this point

you lost lol

ok

Shitskins invaders only getting thirty-five Immigration Court hearings and appeals doesn't count as real due process!!!!

US real Americans are gonna be next!!!

Go find better talking points than the fucking ACLU you absolute assclown.

theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/20/charles-kushner-france-ambassador-confirmed

MIGA!!!!!!!

are you the guy who talks about Elon’s rockets right before they blow up? It’s happened like 4 times now where you make a post about elons rocket and then it blows up right after. I think you are bad luck

How much will this war be prosecuted in the air? Is it safer on the ground or not? I imagine you could scramble.

ukrainians tried to assassinate jewtin(no proof btw) so now Russia has to missile and drone strike civilians

kys zigger

why’s Trump scared of Putin? he said during his 2024 campaign that he would end the war day one?

Guys, my package of 7 books has arrived! I can't wait to put them on the bookshelf and then buy more books in a few days!

wtf voting for kamala now thanks totally fellow right winger

Like I said, you aren't clever.

Carelessness or sabotage? We are far beyond the realm of design flaws

How do I bet on this war?

Like I said, you’re brown

Give me their life insurance policies.

why are you zoomer shills so desperate for a war that will kill white men? you're not getting it, move on

I'll start showing ass and then you'll fuck off.

byline: Kylie Atwood, Kristen Holmes, Kevin Liptak and Matthew Chance, CNN

Pee (you)

There's nothing funnier than coming back to pol after a few months and seeing your dumb brown goat fucker ass still seething impotently on /ptg/

Your faggot fuck general is still a red stain on a runway. Can't wait until the kikes blow up your child raping ayatollahs.

My friend this war was fake and gay all up until about 5 minutes ago.

wow shills really are pissed tonight, what the hell did you guys do to them today?

Blow your brains out.

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0 controlled opposition posts

Finally a good day on /pmg/

x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1927509064897999124
The cats and dosgs are safe.

demanding our orangetard do what we voted for him to do means you are a traitor who should have voted for the nigger kike puppet communist

umm no

you're not getting the war you're desperate for :)
that must make you mad

kys kike. russia has every right to defend its western borders of donetsk oblast against kiev

"Peace, peace" but there is no peace.

have you realize your posts are irrelevant and no one cares? or do you just pretend they matter.

Would be extremely based if Trump adds a Ukraine aid fund into the big beautiful bill

Trump adds

into the bill

that's too bad, must suck [for a commie] to be a loser

I can't even imagine what losing would feel like.
Glad I will never know.

frothing

Spooky accurate.

no war for you faggot LOL

thats literally what i said already. it just proves Trump has kike subversives working his intel briefs or foreign policy. Trump is such a fucking retard who has no idea what the people who voted for him want. its obvious he just spends all day watching CNN and FOX jews hoping to get good comments from the kike popagandists there instead of cleaning the government up of all the treasonous kikes. until Trump gets serious about cleaning the intel agencies im just going to assume hes a literal traitor or a sub 100 iq brainlet

based. start using FBI agents, democrat voters and illegal aliens instead

We've got them beating the dead horse that was Biden, like anyone cares.

leftoids

>these shoops will destroy JD's 2028 campaign

normal people

>these are hilarious make more

It is abundant.

would be super based if he adds another 1 trillion for israel too

got a (You) from fatbeard

revolting.

You retards will see how fast Putin loses control and both Ukraine and Russia devolve into fiefdoms.

desperately shilling

you people are so funny

It'll be other blight on this planet.

They've chosen an odd tactic in admiting that Trump isn't beholden or owned by Putin.
It's kinda funny, really.

Also, McCain is still dead, which is nice.

Awooing
I believe so

As I said, you lost.

You will be left trying to explain away the sword that strikes you, pleading for it, but, alas, no peace.

dude you should stop posting about elons rockets because every time you post about them they blow up

A feckless kneejerk reaction that benefits Neocons and Khazaria. Fuck off.

Obsolete!

Why is every /ptg/ thread:

I hate liberals and niggers and jews and muslims and indians and women

wow me too!

they’re so annoying haha

I agree!

28 more posts saying I agree

*random anime character*

*any relative trump news is buried by inside jokes*

Mashed potatoes with sauerkraut is MAGA

Yes, so is cubed boiled potatoes, with smoked bacon, and cheese, which I am having tomorrow.

wow me too!

Asuka is random

CHAUVIN PARDON UPDATE

"On Tuesday’s “Alex Marlow Show,” DOJ pardon attorney Ed Martin talked about the debate over a potential pardon or commutation for Derek Chauvin.

Martin stated, “I am, Ed Martin, as pardon attorney, looking at it. I’m looking at it very closely. … I think it’s very clear that it was a drug overdose, and it’s very clear that Derek Chauvin is not a saint, but neither am I. … The question is, whether there’s a role to be played for a commutation or pardon, and, more importantly, whether the system — the system of justice has to be checked every now and then for fairness. It’s not only mercy on someone, it’s, when you — I watched that trial. And that was not a fair trial.”

I don't give a shit about Khazaria. It will burst into pieces, their arsenals wielded by even lesser people.

and that doesn't even include searches for "x"

I agree

I hate liberals, niggers, jews, muslims, indians, and women they're so annoying haha I agree!

I've seen so many of

i'm leaving twitter and elon and his ebil nahtzee club f o r e v e r

wtf i'm not getting any engagement I GUESS i'll have to return to twitter now GOSH

Fostoria, Ohio?

yeah well i hate you

21 pbtid

lol I wonder what xhe's saying

Oof

handle

Oh of course, it's your pet. Has he been posting about bridges lately?

probably something about wanting to take a dive off a bridge i bet

they're so annoying haha

I agree

Canada sucks.
Due to their intransigence, upon becoming part of the United States, they shall be called "Snow Mexico".

jeb! bros...

There shall be blowback.

now it's just spam without replying to anyone

trump is supposedly right wing but he is just implementing the dystopia anyway

Trump paused all student visas after a judge said he can't force Harvard to stop taking foreign students. Clearly he can lol

Did somebody spike poobeard's drink

It’s all so tiresome haha

pretty much every MAGAT. they just want to own the libs, even if trump takes the country down

no he seems savvy enough to just ignore it but don't worry i've found plenty of people stupid enough to still subtweet
x.com/hungrybowtie/status/1927272827633193267

I agree!

*random anime character*

shut up kike

Pass the bill

noooo you can’t have supergenius indians and Chinese and other foreigners at Harvard pushing America to first place in mathematics and science!

we need more black nigger americans at Harvard and MIT!

Americans don’t get into Ivy League schooos because they’re dumb and lazy

Finally figured it out huh

What happened to prince faggits speech (written for him remarks) up north? Didn't he fly across the pond to btfo Trump? Well?

you are a fagguette and americans should be given degrees not foreigners

its all about the lulz

There are only 9 Black students are Harvard School and the freshmen class of Harvard saw its Black student population decline by 90% after "Affirmative Action" was overturned and the Trump DOJ legally opposes the application of "Affirmative action" in hiring and enrollment practices nigga

because /ptg/ threads are started and run by the same kike subversive CIA deepstate shills that call you a shill if you complain that Trump isnt doing what he promised. its just a way to funnel and control the threat to kike hegemony in american politics. they need to wrangle control of the conservative voter base and the easiest way to do that is to control their discource and shill down anyone who might expose their kike puppet show. many are working for 5 eyes abroad as subsidiaries for the CIA kikes such as these mountie RCMP assblasted faggots who if you notice are so low IQ they have a literal notepad of scripted responses their favorite of which is "you lost" its a way of shutting down actual rightwing voices from demanding organization of other conservatives and therefore effecting actual change. imagine how fucked the kike globalists would be if instead of a kike puppet in the white house we had a patriotic american who was willing to hang every traitor under the sedition act

I RECOGNIZE THAT COON

We all lost on January 20th when he didn't stop the money and the weapons to the cokehead Green Goblin and the Banderite Nazis.

Now it's Trump's war because he could have ended it day one and cut all funding.

Since the American taxpayers have had to foot the bill for a proxy war since 2014 that was started by the demonic scum Obama, Nuland and McStain, we have also lost more than a war, but billions in tax money.

The entire country of Pukraine is paid by Americans and Trump decided to continue to let struggling Americans foot the bill so the cokehead maggot and his corrupt government can all have mansions, casinos, vineyards and sports cars while Americans can't afford eggs or health insurance.

Captain Booger Sugar is the big winner. Whoever said crime doesn't pay and drugs are bad should just look at what that little shitbird pulled off.

That and because Canada wanted to keep freeriding on missile/air defense while screwing us on trade.

Canada is not, and never will be a real independent nation.
Right now, Canadians are being Genocided by indians, chinks, and the other Indians, and they are as volunrable as little children.
They need to shout "Save us Big American Men, you're our only hope!"
Because we are their only hope.
If they don't beg for our help soon, it will be too late.

i mean he’s wrong but also not wrong?

americans can go get a degree at a community college or U Miami
when it comes to important groundbreaking institutions like MIT we need foreigners who dedicate their lives to academics, not dumb white trash frat bros

at *Harvard Law School* not *are Harvard School* idk how I even fucked that up

wow me too!

shut up shill

Don't tell him

you can't make this shit up

Here have this. Some are trying to avoid directly QT'ing
x.com/softrosebutill/status/1927529413337391181

White trash

frat bros

oxymoron lower class Whites have never really gone to college even in the mid 2010s and even now, and back then, most of the White kids in college, which currently are split 50/50 female, are NOT first gen students and 60% are paying they tuition in cash nigger

JUS COONIN ROUN

now add kike as a search term and see if its inversley correlated

we have to pass it to find out whats in it right kike? just sign away another gorillion to israel then we can find out whats in the big beautiful bill oh what a surprise more kike police state powers and expansion of the kike CIA surveillance apparatus to spy on and control americans. MIGA!

Still baking. Also lmao

indians

chinks

super geniuses

Then why are their countries hell on earth and they have always been conquered slave niggers?

Not sure how much security there is in that asset.

Don't wear them people who collect sneakers don't really wear them

Take ur meds u smelly gayper

Donald Trump talks about what he sees on the battlefield, describing the satellite images. Donald Trump doesn't just see what happens. He makes sure Ukraine sees as well. He is instrumental in this war.

Drop the mask, and say you're for war.

massive spike in suicide searches on april 28th

bluesky immediately drops 7 points and never recovers

huh

What happened on April 28?

No I will not say that

white trash is a cultural thing and has nothing to do with your economic class

lmfao

What's the word?

Arrest
Arrest all the judges, commies, and anyone else that is obstructing Justice.
Do it now, and get on with the work you were elected to do.

new baked

War has become democratized, and there are many people in between the decision to kill and the action. Leaders can simply be cut off from their feed. What will they do?

These governments can disintegrate quickly.

When you split this early I just add you to my filter

canadian elections

fuck off nigger

Big indicator for longevity and high quality of life among Whites exclusively is having some kind of secondary education. White men with just a high school diploma or less have a life expectancy of 58, White men with a vocational degree and some college to an associates degree are sitting at 72, and White men with a bachelor's degree or higher are sitting at 82.

White trash>wiggers

Liberals gonna meltdown, i've heard they hate absolute monarchy & grace chan.
checkem holy

Is that lazy fuck going to finally liberate Machias Seal Island and deports the Canadian who lives there for Maine fishermen, or is he going to pussy out again?

Also

median individual income for White adults with a high school diploma or less is only $40,000

White men with a Bachelor's degree or higher is $140,000

or cool Trump rebranded again.

Fucking discord cunts jel

Rote memorization and action doesn't mean they're actually smart at anything in particular.

The propagandists are always propagating this misunderstanding about Russian society, saying Putin is a dictator. It is an oligarchy. He will be replaced if the society doesn't fracture along with its arsenal. As always, it becomes a game of wack-a-mole that you can't ever win.

so he says he DID IT! at the start...
...but by the end he's complaining that "certain obstacles" are preventing him from actually doing anything.

has there ever been a leader who was more ALL TALK, NO ACTION?
what a joke

This post brought to you by the country that defined "You won't do shit" in the dictionary

Shut the fuck up leaf.

How can she not realize theres nothing there?

even they know he's bullshitting lol

this is just sad

u cant have full fishing rights with 8 billion humans you would eat the ocean in 2 days

Idea: The Trump team should write up a bill for the House and Senate GOP to formalize tariffs against manufacturing China, and possibly India, until those countries meet certain carbon emission standards, and then separate tariffs for any products that have to be shipped overseas to the US that could be made in the US in a more environmentally efficient way. Brand it a "carbon tax" or "green tax" and then dare the Dems to vote against it.

Up until that moment she probably thinks gravity doesn't apply to herself. Now she doesn't think much of anything.

Women don't understand consequences.

THE IDEA!

lol you lost trannie

Pass the bill.

No more judicial injuctions and contempt.

Get rid of leftwing ngos.

Truck-kun claims many every year in the most obviously avoidable fashion possible.

could be good for a laugh.
and congratulate china on not being an emerging economy.

you really think npcs will will actually look at what's in the bill and not just believe whatever narrative the screen feeds them?

More carbon promotes more oxygen propagators.
No big deal to begin with.

Move it on up.

505756614

Your fake ptg general is failing lmao.

Finish this thread so we can move onto to the real thread.

bump

nyo

stall now

Neo thread

New thread

no
yes

Fine

until those countries meet certain carbon emission standards

meh I'd rather not see climate nonsense validated