Trump is making cars great again! Are you tired of winning Anon Babble?
Promises made, promises kept!
Anerican cars have bigger problems
everyone hates it
I've never heard anyone complain about saving gas.
not going into the settings and just turning it off forever
Imagine
it doesnt, though. Having your engine reset every time it's stopped with the brakes appled forces your vehicle to use more gasoline and is terrible for the starter
I don't think the car has the problem here
Why is there a random little girl in the middle of the road? This ia the fault of the parents for not teaching her to look both ways before crossing must have been raised by niggers i see them run across the road all the time without looking
it does shit all except make roundabouts dangerous.
to be worth anything it has to run longer than 10 seconds, but 95% of intersection behavior makes that impossible.
my odyssey has it. the vehicle spends >75% of on time travelling at highway speeds and achieves 18mpg. the little 1 second engine offs do nothing except burn out my starter that much faster
You can literally turn it off tho?
Police love this. They can render you motionless on a dark street in the middle of the night and smoke you just for being out at night in MAGA country.
You'd have to turn it off every time you start the car.
But I decided that I wouldn't accept this faggotry, so I checked up the electrical wiring of my car to find out the start/stop part. Turns out I only had to unclip a connector running somewhere near the trunk.
Now it's permanently disabled.
Yeah you can do that too. It’s such a non-issue.
fucks up you engine. Imagine having to goto sleep mode everytime you are inactive for 30seconds, and then jolt awake again. Kiss your starter goodbye, your flywheel goodbye, and expect to gunk up your exhaust with all that first burn fuel.
t ranny
good
This is one of my most hated things when I have to drive rentals since I put in a bypass in my subaru.
Fuck your starter and battery! Buy another one you rich motherfucker!
Sounds to me like you all just buy shitty cars.
My car does it and I get 50+mpg. It's barely noticeable and has never been an annoyance.
Perhaps you all just aren't capable of adapting to modern technology? Consider suicide.
Manufacturers love start/stop tech because starting the engine is what puts the most amount of wear on it. Manufacturers love harmful designs that purposely wreck what you paid for so then you have to buy it from them again.
Massive increase on wear and tear parts on the engine from the constant startups.
Engines are designed to run hot at constant high RPMs, not start and stop hundreds of times in a day every day.
Not just that. If the vehicle shuts off while briefly stopped, there is a noticable lag which means in an emergency stop-and-go situation that vehicle doesn't have the performance to get out of the way.
Impact of Frequent Engine Start-Stop on Thermal Wear
Frequent starting and stopping of the engine could potentially increase thermal wear and tear for several reasons:
Temperature Fluctuations: Every time the engine starts, it goes through a thermal cycle, where the engine block, cylinder head, and other components heat up. Conversely, when the engine stops, these components begin to cool down. Frequent start-stop cycles can lead to more significant temperature fluctuations, potentially increasing stress on engine materials.
Oil Circulation and Lubrication: When the engine is stopped, oil circulation ceases, and the lubrication film on moving parts begins to degrade. Frequent starts can lead to momentary lubrication starvation, increasing wear on components like piston rings and cylinder liners.
Battery and Starter Motor Stress: While not directly related to thermal wear, the increased load on the battery and starter motor due to more frequent starts can indirectly affect engine reliability and performance.
chat gpt responses
it doesn't cause excess wear and tear. it does save fuel economy. boomers just don't like it because they think it's taking from their autonomy. retards on Anon Babble don't like it because they're low effort contrarian niggers
BULLSHIT
anyone with any fucking inkling of any fucking engineering knowledge would understand this you dumb fucking nigger
shut the fuck up and go sit down
I put my truck in neutral and rev it at stops to piss off faggots like you.
Car manufacturer spotted
you drive an ev, have fun replacing the battery after 5 years and spending 10k for a new hybrid battery, tranny
lol chatgpt is garbage which makes shit up and uses 0 sources if it can't find material related to query, iask.ai is the patricians choice
t. ass blasted niggers
It saves like 5 gallons in 60,000 miles.
my vehicle has it, but has an easy bypass in one of the conditions that needs to be met to do start/stop. I just run the ac and it feels much better to drive because of it
also you sound like an effeminate faggot that sits down to pee...go buy a hooker and do some drugs dude, it'll put hair on your chest and make your atrophied balls finally drop
americans think that streets are for cars
assblasted??? huh? what denoted anger/frustration in my responses? you're some esl faggot huh
this is the problem with zoomers these days
they don't understand basic concepts
its like niggers in africa trying to build those helicopters
they use ai to vibe code and think they're software engineers but don't even know what a logic gate is
just basic simple understandings of thermodynamics you can learn from a book but nope, they're dumb fucking niggers
competency crisis
you know, that's a bag of coke, not a napkin mr shill
not realizing all LLM based output is just curated hallucinations
use smaller tokens and prompt scaffolding then recursively use multiple validation prompts
(this is a test to see if these shill faggots are using bots)
looks like jizz
I put a new battery in my truck last week. Could a nigger do that? Could you do that? I think not!
It's a parked car, there's no driver. All is well.
lol keep trying shill, start/stop technology has been struck down by papa trump and there isn't anything you can do about it...all my niggas nazis, nigga hail hitler
Can any motherfucker provide any study on wear and tear and emissions about this subject or are you all just jerking off over the vibe of this news story to own the libs
My car has it, I turned it off
Problem solved
edmunds.com
Saves around 10% on average, more for people in stop and go city traffic. That's a lot.
ooga booga cave man
I got laid last night, and have two white children.
five question marks, exasperated tone
MAD AS FUCK
muh kids these days
here's an unrelateed photo oh and you're a shill
great arguments nigger
yes anon, I can install a battery in a vehicle. I have done it on two difference vehicles for myself in the past.
Bring back manual transmissions and we're on our way.
Restarting the engine can consume as much gas as idling for 5 minutes (varies by specific vehicle)
This retard feature burns more gas.
No one likes this bullshit and CO2 is a fertilizer. Do something useful like cleaning up the mountains of goddamn plastic
on two difference vehicles
The ESL reveals ximself. Good day, thirdie!
I waste my own money to spite strangers in my mind.
Nobody in your entire life has ever respected you. Most especially yourself.
lmao i was guessing it was either a bot or some esl shill farm faggot, looks like the latter 2 me too
The responses you are getting prove that genocide is moral.
Your study isn't good enough for me
No, I won't post any other evidence
Why are you so lazy?
They know that they don't have to buy those new vehicles, right? If peoppe just stuck with their older vehicles, or bought second/third hand instead of the new ones, we wouldn't have all this bs.
lol you lost.
Based
As a poor I can tell you the middle class despises used vehicles.
I drive a 2000 F-150 with AC/CD (air conditioning/compact disc player) and no power windows. Fabric seats, 2WD, extended cab, chrome wheels, airbags, and a five-speed manual transmission mated to a 4.2L V6 engine. I call it her "The Paid Ford" because it's paid for. Under 100K kilometers on the odometer. Paid one hundred dollars for it. It doesn't even ding if you don't bother to buckle-up! I wax it once a year, and there's hardly a trace of rust on it.
Kill yourself kike
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Conclusion
In summary, it is evolutionarily acceptable, and a biologic necessity for an organism being undermined by a parasitic entity to exterminate that parasite as a means of ensuring its own survival and continuation as a species. This dynamic reflects fundamental principles of natural selection and coevolution in biological systems.
seems your right as rain
middle class despises used vehicles
guess im an odd one then cuz i love them...especially when buying excess vehicles from municipalities/government entities @ auction. I'm a farmer though, so was raised driving/working with used shit
Knowing most people are absolute NPCs it'll affect your resale value. Yeah, they're that stupid..
wldn't the ignition coils/bendix spring get fucked like wayyy faster than usual if it had to engage after every stop light, sign, bit of heavy traffic
lol if u get 50+mpg you drive a hybrid, and that alone makes your opinion worthless you absolute faggot...bet it's a prius or fit
Based?
Wouldnt insurance rates collapse from this very little thing? Considering 72% of all accidents are at stop lights
Scotty aka /ourguy/ alleviated all these fears and explained how the new tech works well. They're just being
low effort contrarian niggers.
Correct.
It saves minuscule amounts of gas.
im more annoyed by turbo lag. manufacturers put turbo in everything to comply with stupid climate regulations
I'll just plug that connector back.
I always assumed that whole thing was a trickery from car manufacturers to comply with muh EU co2 regulations or something.
not a jew, open borders for israel and I denounce the talmud.
Buy an electric car, hardly any maintenance
little commie bastard is in the way, fuck her.
nothing you said was true
If I was being charitable I would say the last part is true but cars with start/stop don't use old conventional starters
I hate that feature so much, it even fucks you after awhile because your car will randomly stall trying to start up from these retarded mini-sleeps.
My mom just bought a new car (2024) and it has this massive computer system that every so often has to fucking "update" itself. It chooses a time in the very early morning, like 1:00 AM because while it is updating, you cannot drive it. I mean usually no one is driving at that time but still. What the fuck happens if you HAVE to use it then?
It's like computers and operating systems now. You don't even really own and/or control the shit you pay for. Fuck all this.
Would get my vote for life if that was made illegal
Idling your engine is stupid and wasteful. Do you enjoy paying for gas?
I can't do that on my car without an aftermarket part that will void the warranty. There is a button I have to press every single time
Wasn't expecting this. But happy about it. My car has this and it's so annoying
good, that shit's fucking annoying and will literally get you fucking T-boned due to lack of on-demand acceleration.
oh shit I need to move right fucking now!
too bad!
farmer
That's the difference.
More batteries to throw in the oceans
Do you enjoy engine repairs?
Cars don't kill people, butter knives don't kill people, guns don't kill people, baseball bats don't kill people. You know what really kills people?
This is the main reason I wouldn't want a vehicle like that. Wear and tear is a close second.
Neutral
I just leave the clutch down, unless I'm driving one of my wife's cars.
Pretty sure starting and stopping the engine is even more wasteful.
It might save a half pint of gas out of a tank.
Is that worth the extra wear on your starter and dry starting your engine over and over?
Globalist shills btfo again, MAGA.
In my part of country old vehicles tend to start disintegrating in 10 years or so due to salt on the roads unless they are well taken care of.
Rindupec
What kind of ID is that?
omg you voided the warranty!!!
Die in a fire.
Conservatives blamed Obama for creating megatruck monstrosities. Surely they won't mind if Trump takes them away.
That's insane. I just bought a 2024 and it doesn't do that. Doesn't have all the digital gauge cluster either.
RIndupec. It's that kind
This is a big win. Target displacement on demand next since it tends to break on vehicles that have it thereby destroying the engine.
it doesn't cause excess wear and tear.
Using the starter over and over instead of once per trip doesn't cause excessive wear
Do you work for Ford? Are you the retard "engineer" that thought using a timing belt to drive the oil pump was a good idea?
Understanding Idling vs. Restarting in Vehicles
In vehicles, the belief that idling for a short period consumes less fuel than turning off the engine and restarting it is based on several factors related to engine technology and fuel delivery systems.
Fuel Consumption Dynamics
When a vehicle idles for about 10 minutes, it may consume approximately 0.09 gallons of gasoline, depending on various factors such as engine size and condition. In comparison, restarting an engine can use about 0.25+-.05 gallons or more due to the aforementioned rich mixture needed for starting up.
I saved $28 this year, but the dealership charged me $1200 to replace the starter
Nigger logic
guess it is ingrained in us at a young age that vehicles=equipment that makes us money so doesn't really matter if new or old. lol i didn't own a new vehicle till i was over 30
It's actually been proven that starting a vehicle takes around 3-8 minutes (depending on the vehicle) worth of idle away in terms of gas. It is literally worse for your starter, engine, battery, and doesn't help you save gas or the environment. It's a parts scam. That's all it is.
I've never heard anyone complain about saving gas.
Source, statistics, numbers.
If you are so confident surely you can provide some evidence
lol i just posted bout tha here
Fucking GOOD! It wears everything out so much faster.
B-but much starter duty cycles
Fuck you. Everyone knows the majority of engine wear happens on startup. Plus it'll objectively wear your battery out faster as well.
Dogshit feature and it won't be missed.
You really want to save gas get rid of the catalytic converters you dumb nigger liberal.
Yeah mb. I didn't read that far down before jumping in. It really is just dumbass "technology" though. Makes no fucking sense aside from raping your car & you
Using the starter over and over instead of once per trip doesn't cause excessive wear
Vehicles with auto stop start have larger starter motors to account for using them more frequently.
Do you work for Ford? Are you the retard "engineer" that thought using a timing belt to drive the oil pump was a good idea?
Unrelated bullshit anecdote. Kill yourself, nigger
Already posted it above
edmunds.com
The engines are designed to be started anywhere in the piston cycle with this technology. Both of you niggers are wrong.
10% fuel savings over the life of a vehicle is huge.
hoodsie ornament
Question: why is it that in the early 2000's new vehicles had 10-20 problems per 100 vehicles driven over the first three years on the road, and now in 2025 new vehicles have 200+ problems per 100 vehicles driven over the first three years on the road?
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Conclusion
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We don't want your liberal shit. If it was up to you everybody would have alcohol breathalyzers in there cars. You Californian fucks need to be genocided off the planet.
YEAH they never ever had big trucks back then! Also spend 24 hours driving in both and get back to me on that.
TLDR: they want everyone to deplete their savings/cash reserves so they are poor, similar to why inflation is so desirable for the ruling class
czech and thasa nice 250, do i spy locking hubs or is that a shadow?
actually is that a chevy??? front end kinda doesnt look ford
You should die for advocating useless tech libshit. Die in a fire bitch xD
Just don't fucking engage it every time you stop? On every car I've used, you have to shift into neutral for it to activate. Some cars have noticeable lag and so I just never use the feature, my current car actually starts up in a fraction of a second so I'm more liberal with using it at red lights.
And anyway like the OP picture shows there's always an on-off button so you can just disable it entirely if you really want to. Are there any cars that have it always-on? Similar to things like traction control, I've never seen a car without a shutoff, even though I've never bothered turning either of these off.
I believe they are locking not mine though too rare. I just have a single cab dentside, don’t feel like paying another 20 grand for a crew cab.
angry
has no evidence
My vote is to deport every non-White, including jews. You can call me a liberal all you want but you're wrong.
Yes, we'll make everyone so poor they resort to Luigi-style vigilantism
sure thing, boss. Also, stop copy-pasting LLM generated slop answers. They'll tell you whatever you want to hear, and none of us want to read your slop
10% fuel savings over the life of a vehicle is huge.
No it fucking isn't.
That turns my 18mpg truck into a 20mpg truck. Fucking negligible and the savings would be erased by needing a new battery twice as often.
There is more wear from start-stop. Just like your faggoty little turbo 4-banger will wear faster and be less reliable than NA V6s.
This
I've seen honda civics do 50-60 mpg, some cars are just beasts.
most cars have it always-on, you can switch it off for that drive but as soon as you remove the key it resets back to on
best they can do is dual clutch or cvt and that's a complete shitshow, these days it's rare to see even a standard automatic transmission
it doesnt since it has to start every time
I've seen honda civics do 50-60 mpg
Yeah bullshit. Maybe for a small period rolling downhill with a tailwind.
And I can assure you that Civic was not "a beast" nor is any other car with 35+ mpg fuel economy.
You are not saving gas and a new starter should not be a yearly maintenance.
I have driven dozens of rentals, you have to turn it off every time you start the car, there is no setting to keep it disabled, and most cars do it every time you are stopped and hold the brake, even if in gear.
I love my manual car, it has none of this bullshit.
Make cars cool again
Instead of all them looking the same
i love my manual car
hold on to it, i don't mind the dps6 even if i have to replace an $80 shift motor every 3 years. wish they made more hatchbacks
No it fucking isn't.
Fine, pay 10% more to fuel your vehicle over the life of it. That's a couple thousand dollars in ten years, depending on how much you drive.
needing a new battery twice as often.
Except that isn't actually true.
There is more wear from start-stop.
I already explained why you're wrong on this one. You niggers cannot read and instead insist on caveman level reasoning
hurr durr if I take a care from 20 years ago and stop and start it all the time it will be bad for it!
No shit, nigger. Cars that support auto stop start were engineered to do that. Bigger starter motor, bigger battery, engine stroke management etc.
My four cylinder turbo and manual tranny has none of that gay eco shit and barely uses gas.
They should make it illegal for car companies to track your car and basically spy on you.
That would be cool
an extra $10k in engine upgrades and bolt ons to save 10% fuel mileage lmao yeah looks like the right way to go
my hyundai has this shit
doesnt it use more gasoline to restart again every few blocks? I dont get it
most cars have it always-on
Fair but again just don't put your car in neutral. I only use it at particularly long traffic lights or e.g. at rail crossings or something, I usually ignore it and I've never even bothered turning it off because it's such a non-issue.
Who the fuck activates it at roundabouts?
Look it up yourself. Here's a random rating site I found:
honestjohn.co.uk
The diesel ones obviously, petrol is always less efficient.
By beast I mean in terms of economy, you're obviously not using a civic for a thrilling driving experience.
manual car
Is it some automatic bullshit then? Over here I've never seen any car turn off the engine unless you explicitly shift to neutral (and fully depress the clutch).
nowhere in your source does it say
$10k in engine upgrades
It requires a slightly larger battery, starter and some sensors. Try again, nigger.
When will trump deport more illegals and third worlders? Is he going to actually shut down the border? Trump already caved on the tariffs with china too. Zion Don is fucking you again and here you are arguing about some automotive feature as if you're winning lol
no one is putting their car in neutral, when the brakes are applied for a few seconds the engine turns off.
There's no way starting an engine uses a quarter gallon of gas.
Here's an actual test showing the feature does save gas
edmunds.com
Our 328i GT used 3.1 gallons with the system off and 2.8 gallons with it on, a savings of 9.5 percent. That works out to 91 cents saved in 80 miles. Calculated fuel economy rose from 26.2 to 28.7 mpg.
The Jaguar did a little better, which makes sense when you're talking about a thirstier V8. It consumed 4.1 gallons with the system off and 3.6 with it on, a reduction of some 10.9 percent. At local prices that returned $1.47 to our pocket. Corresponding fuel economy increased from 19.7 to 22.1 mpg.
This, of course, begs the question of what would have happened if we had run the air-conditioning on a hot day. We saved that test for the Mini Cooper. We ran both loops with the automatic temperature control set to 74 degrees.
It used 2.7 gallons with A/C on and stop-start off, and that shrank slightly to 2.6 gallons with stop-start up and running. That works out to a modest fuel savings of 2.9 percent, with fuel economy climbing from 30.0 to 30.9 mpg. At this point we ran a third loop with the system engaged and the air-conditioning off and the savings shot up to 9.5 percent at 33.2 mpg.
no one is putting their car in neutral
I am, whenever I know I'm gonna be stuck stopped for 20-30+ seconds.
And when I'm not my engine never stops.
Sounds like it's just a problem with american cars for some reason, not with the feature itself.
lmfao it's your source faggot, literally screenshotted from your link in glad to see you didn't actually read what you posted
no, it sounds like youre confusing some other feature with the one being discussed ITT.
I hope it's not the Honda 1.5 with the rerun Ecoboost head gasket failure issue..
it's your source faggot
Yes, and it does not say that it is $10k worth of upgrades. You still have no argument.
This is exactly what I voted for.
Because retards think it's cool or some shit and it's not. Tears all kinds of shit up. It's a dumb piece of technology.
Nah my Mazda CX-5 will turn off the engine if I'm stopped at a red light for too long.
Amen brother, although mine uses loads of gas because I tuned it to give 40% more torque and 20% more HP lmao
Is it some automatic bullshit then?
Yes, unfortunately my fellow burgers love their automatics and the automatics all shut themselves off when stopped. If my manual turned itself off in neutral like you seem to be describing I would have a fucking conniption.
No. It saves a lot of fuel
Oy vey why wont you spend more shekels on my fuel like a good goy
Fucking retard, LMAO
We're going to fuck the longevity of your engine for EPA good goy points
Same rationale for putting OW-20 (or thinner) in all the latest goycarts
No, it's explicitly auto-start/stop. My car has literally the EXACT button from the OP screenshot, with the A and the circular arrow. It's called "auto start/stop" in the manual. It's used to stop the engine without keying in the ignition, and while keeping all electrical systems running etc., exactly like how is described.
And it activates when you're in neutral and your clutch is fully released. The engine then starts back up immediately once you press the clutch down in order to shift out of neutral, usually by the time you've shifted into a gear and are ready to accelerate it's already back up.
If my manual turned itself off in neutral like you seem to be describing I would have a fucking conniption.
How often do you actually go into neutral while actively driving? When I'm stopped and not trying to activate the start/stop, I just idle in 1st gear, is that not normal?
Even if you do, you then have to release the clutch too.
I had it in a rental car and it drove me nuts. I'd brake to a gentle sto, and lift my foot near the end since the car doesn't need as much brake pressure once it's almost stationary, and then suddenly the engine would start up and make the whole fucking thing lurch forward. I probably wouldn't hate it in a manual.
clutch
yeah youre not talking about the same thing at all.
Unrelated bullshit anecdote. Kill yourself, nigger
"Engineers" changing a nearly perfected design to a new and therefore better design that fails after 60,000 miles and destroys the engine from oil starvation is unrelated to the move by car companies to design cars to be replaced every six years.
ICEs were perfected by the 90s, engineers are adding worthless shit to cars simply to justify the existence of their jobs.
Fine, pay 10% more to fuel your vehicle over the life of it. That's a couple thousand dollars in ten years, depending on how much you drive.
Maybe A thousand, but even that's generous. People have done extensive math on this regarding hybrid vehicles. Even with those getting 2x the MPG it doesn't end up being worth it.
Plus for what it's worth I've seen "estimates" on a dashboard display and they seem to be a load of shit. 5 minutes stopped saved 120 miles? Yeah fucking right.
Except that isn't actually true.
Yes, it is. The ENTIRE purpose of your battery is to start the car. When your car is running the alternator runs the show. If you are using it more then it'll wear out faster. This isn't complicated. .
I already explained why you're wrong on this one. You niggers cannot read and instead insist on caveman level reasoning
No you didn't. You said "uhh ackshully engineers made it better" without elaborating on how all of the various fuel pumps stopping, all of the voltages across all circuits dropping, all of the battery charging stopping, and all of the engine momentum stopping all the time is completely harmless.
Protip: it isn't. Car companies literally want your car to die faster. See: Modern Toyota.
No shit, nigger. Cars that support auto stop start were engineered to do that. Bigger starter motor, bigger battery, engine stroke management etc.
I do think the "starter" thing is a bad argument because it really is a stronger starter, but the car has a lot of complex systems working in tandem.
And no, the battery is not "bigger" or better they use the same damn lead acid batteries that every other car uses and will fit one relative to what can be fit in the engine bay.
Batteries already wear out a lot faster than they used to because of the electronic bullshit.
im owning imaginary trannies and libtards in my mind
Everyone just thinks you’re a redneck with small dick energy
Big whoop. I get 75+mpg in my VW Up! with battery-killer-mode turned off.
Promises made, promises kept!
Thanks for the update Cletus! t
That'll take my mind off the hyperinflation and empty shelves.
MAGA! SO MUCH AWOOO!
International Harvester pickup actually.
Yes, locking hubs.
Only reason I know a little bit about those things is we had a Scout when I was growing up.
special starter
special battery
special coatings
special electronics
special software
that's $10k, go be a nigger somewhere else
old good, new bad
*yawn*
more yapping, more bullshit anecdotes and feelings
lol, you're putting in a lot of effort to basically admit you don't have fuck all for evidence.
And no, the battery is not "bigger"
Yes, on many auto-stop-start equipped vehicles the battery is larger. I know, because I have one and I've inspected it.
has no idea how much anything could possible cost
nigger logic
How often do you actually go into neutral while actively driving?
If I see a stop coming up, I put in the clutch and coast to a stop. If I think the light is going to take more than maybe 20 seconds with the clutch in, I put it in neutral and it has never turned itself off. I have also kept it in neutral with the engine running for several minutes with or without the parking brake and it's never turned itself off there either. I drive a WRX. As far as I can tell, Subaru just threw in the towel with the MTs for all those kinds of "features", it has no lanekeeping, no radar cruise, it's just an engine, gearbox, and wheels. It has a forward camera but the only purpose stated in the manual is to auto switch the high beams, a feature I don't use.
AAA 10% FUEL OVER 20 YEARS AAAA REGILATE ME HARDER DADDY
Nobody really has an issue that these exist, they have an issue because it's annoying as fuck and forced onto literally every vehicle.
Whatever nigger.
You're clearly arguing in bad faith so I'm done. Keep your faggot start-stop that you believe is great because car salesmen told you so, just stop trying to force it onto every car because it sucks cock (like (You)).
If I think the light is going to take more than maybe 20 seconds with the clutch in, I put it in neutral and it has never turned itself off.
That's fair but also if the light is gonna take more than 20 seconds - let alone if you're idling for minutes at a time - it's usually exactly when I don't mind the start/stop activating.
For that matter auto start/stop never works for several minutes at a time because, presumably, of the way it keeps the electrical systems going and the hydraulics pressurised etc. After maybe 40+ seconds or so the engine will turn itself back on. If I'm idling for several minutes (e.g. waiting for someone) I just key off the ignition at that point.
It's based to prefer a minimalistic card with as few features as possible, but it's also not the end of the world IMO.
ugh bad faith!
also (you)
ad hom ad hom anecdote ad hom ad hom ad hom
bye then, lol. When trump hasn't deported any meaningful amount of people, pardons more niggers and jews at least you can be happy about this (if it even happens, which it won't because he caves on everything)
Just don't fucking engage it every time you stop? On every car I've used, you have to shift into neutral for it to activate.
Amerimutts don't drive manuals. On automatics the Start-Stop crap is engaged the moment you're at a stop and have the brake pedal pressed while in Drive. Shifting to neutral would most of the time start the engine again.
And anyway like the OP picture shows there's always an on-off button so you can just disable it entirely if you really want to. Are there any cars that have it always-on?
You can't permanently turn it off unless you mod the car. Every time you restart the engine is reenabled.
Almost no one hates start/stop tech. Only republitards who simply must hate everything that dems like hates it..
lol i never knew they made pickups , thought only combines and shit like that...learn something new every day
Literally everyone I have ever talked to about it hates it. Even liberal faggots.
The only people who don't care are the typical virtue-signalling "Trust the Science" current-thing retards.
i learned to drive manual on a 82 4wd f250 w/locking hubs when I was like 8 or 9 yo, only vehicle ive driven with em, my dad even rigged a booster chair and foam blocks ontop of pedals/clutch so I could see/reach...was an absolute pain in the ass to engage when toting alfalfa/cotton super bales in the field
I have this auto start/stop feature in my truck, and I disable it every single trip. Making my starting system work overtime is not worth the cost savings purported by shutting my truck down for 10-20 seconds at every single stop. It’s a retarded feature that needs to go.
Have you ever seen a boomer go into any settings of anything ever?
Boomers are used to hardware devices which are electromechanical, not even electronic, so the idea that there could be "settings" or "config" is totally alien to them.
The idea even that they could preset volume on a TV is alien to them, you might notice they understand colour/brightness/saturation/etc but not setting a default volume. This is because their TVs never had that, the knob was wherever it was.
Thank you Led Zepplin!!!
start-stop is also bad for the starter and the battery.
also remove the regulation that makes all new cars have worthless backup cameras. i have a functioning neck. i dont want a faggot retard ipad glued to the dash of my car. let me not get the backup camera option
also if we're fucking with the gay niggers at the epa, REPEAL CAFE REGULATIONS. LET US HAVE NORMAL CARS AND SMALL TRUCKS AGAIN
you didn't even recognize your own source lol, that's true nigger logic
since I put in a bypass in my subaru.
...is it possible to learn this power???
let me not get the backup camera option
Good luck with that retard. You have a fraction of the rear visibility out the windows that existed 20 years ago.
There are various methods to defeating it. Google the vehicle and what you're trying to do and odds are there are many forum posts about it.
I agree with most of that but backup cameras are objectively good.
But fuck autobrake and lane assist though. And fuck CAFE regs.
How the fuck would an OBD invalidate your warranty? They use them every day at the dealership and car mechanics.
New good, old bad
I can do that too retard.
Every mechanic on earth knows belts + oil = belt failure, so why would an "engineer" put one in the oil sump to do something as important as driving the oil pump unless they wanted it to fail in 60,000 miles and grenade the engine?
I'm not sure exactly. I asked the dealership about it and they told me it would. Maybe because it's altering the wiring in the car? I press the button to turn it off every time I use the car. Doesn't seem like a difficult install for the device.
seriously though
why isn't that a bike chain instead of a belt so the oil just keeps the chain oiled?
If Trump ends planned obsolescence during his term, I won't only be validated in my vote, but I'll suck him off on live TV. The parasitic behavior from manufacturers needs to end.
still grasping at straws
and you still can't provide any source that indicates it's
$10k worth of upgrades
You lost, get a grip.
hey you know this completely unrelated design flaw in a particular engine from a particular manufacturer that I heard about from someone else?! Yeah THAT is proof that I am right about everything else
boring, honestly
Retard.
I always put this off, you can't however default it. It ruins your battery, it is worse for the environment and fuel consumption actually goes up
I can't in both my cars, need to manually do it every session
Scotty Kilmer did a video on this. They actually use more gas, tear up your starter, and tear up the engine overtime. It's dangerous technology that is meant to take your money because guess who is paying for all of those failures. You the customer.
You dont add anything to the car you plug it into the OBD plug and go into the car settings all you are doing is Accessing the car's computer. I have done this tons of times to pull error codes to see whats wrong with my car never Violated the warranty.
I only know 1 person who likes this feature and they're one of the stupidest people that I know. They said that he likes it because "he gets to take a break"
This. Must be some exclusively bubbled republitard issue.
I actually like that my car stops vroom vrooming 3 minutes at the stop light.
Scotty totally not a shill for (old) Toyota quits youtube and dies every week Kilmer
May as well say your nintendo playing dad told you
I have no interest in a car unless it:
1. Is naturally aspirated
2. Has a pushrod engine
3. Has no VVT or VCT cam phasing etc.
4. Has no EGR
This is a matter of reliability. The combustion engine is a complex thing, we were legitimately starting to perfect the complexity/performance/reliability tradeoff and right on the cusp of this we decided (the government decided) to absolutely kneecap the modern combustion engine with pointless complexity in the name of marginal emmissions/efficiency improvements.
CAFE is bad enough the only thing worse is EU Emissions 1-6
Most Americans are too retarded and low IQ to do it. Hence also why Elon Musk wants H1B indians to replace low IQ population.
I know guys from Latvia who made iphone photography niche site that literally teaches dumb white american boomers to take "pro" photos with an iphone. Those guys are now millionaires.
Change for the sake of change.
"Engineers" trying to justify their existence.
Belts are cheaper than chains too so it makes the bean counters happy, and if it fails after the five year warranty is up even better.
Scotty Kilmer is an exaggerator and most starter motors built around the feature are like 1000x tougher.
That being said it also saves basically no gas over time. It's a feature that's designed to pass a very specific emissions test in California (which is also why they require it to be on when the car starts, it has to be a "default feature" to count). All of the major losses in MPG don't come from idling, but from accelerating. Maintaining a constant RPM (either idling or cruise control on the highway) is always going to be the least stress on the car.
This isn't helped by the fact that so many faggots will drive around the city like
FOOT ON THE FLOOR
RED LIGHT, HAAAAAARD BRAKE
FOOT ON THE FLOOR
CAR IN FRONT, HAAAAARD BRAKE
No one fucking coasts.
I looked it up for my car and iirc it's more involved than that. It's not a software feature that can be disabled. It has to be physically done by changing the wiring and installing an after market part. On other cars, given what you said, it can be done via some "settings" function
they need to ban shitty 'turbo charged' plastic engines
There is certainly probably some over complexity being driven by manufacturers bloating the cost of the vehicle intentionally. Many of these things can be tolerated though (like light assemblies costing $2000 lol).
However the most fatal of the design flaws and complexity is driven by emissions/efficiency.
Shift motor? I’ve only driven standard transmissions that joined the stick with the physical shifting mechanism via rods and bushings or via a cable-fed design on FWD. What is this shift motor you speak of? What model car?
on that note, my ‘87 olds cutlass Ciera with a 3.8L V6(3800 series I) reliably would get 30mpg highway, 20-22 in town. My 2016 Jeep Cherokee 3.2L V6 pulls maybe 17 in town, 24-25 max on the highway, if I’m being really careful and not encountering mountainous terrain. I average 19 overall, and have had this vehicle since 2019 at 60K miles. 115K now.
Well for one the Cutlass is most likely a lot lighter than the Jeep Cherokee.
let's say the averag American drives 10,000 miles per year. Over 10 years that's 100,000 miles yeah? Now let's say the average MPG is 22 (probably higher but you're a faggot so I'll stay lower), that's 4,545 gallons of fuel over the life of the car. Now let's say fuel is an average of $3 per gallon, that's about $13,646 in fuel costs over the life of the car. Now you'll save 10%, or $1300 (very liberal with these numbers). Now go spec out an F150 or any car really with and without auto start-stop. You're not even breaking even.
It's not unrelated it's part of a trend to make vehicles destroy themselves and getting rid of the used car market.
Nothing is made to last anymore or be repairable, they're made to be replaced.
Sensor went out in your transmission? Swap out the tranny and send it out to be reman'ed and stuffed into the next one that needs it.
This is all designed to simply keep money moving. They could make cars that last a million miles but that would be bad for (((share holders))).
if it's genuinely saving money on the gas vs the extra wear+tear from stopping and starting then that just means gas prices are too high.
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It's clear that you're a peasant who fears the world and everything around you.
Timing belts and interference engines don’t mix, any Saturn owner knows(through experience, or they find out) to religiously change the belt every 60K or be very sorry later on when their engine needs a full rebuild after it just “quits” at an intersection. This is why I personally choose to buy designs that use either a timing chain, gear-driven design, or as an absolute minimum if I must have a timing belt, a non-interference type motor.
idling off of battery power uses less gas than ignition
Trump won't even remove the kill switch that Biden made mandatory on all cars after 2026 he always sides with whatever the corporations want. He is a typical boomer in that way.
ford focus. beautiful car, shit transmission though it's a 6 speed dry dual clutch so they could add 10 mpgs but the shift motors overheat and/or corrode and you'll lose every other gear. simple to replace though and i keep an extra in the wheel well just in case
Fair, so I looked it up. 3200 vs 3900 approximately. It was getting better mileage than the 2005 Impala I was following. I think it had a 3.2. My wife’s 2017 Corolla gets 30 consistently on the highway, 25 in town, but it’s a tiny little plastic car with a four-banger.
That explains why my friends ford focus lost every other gear, lmao. He had just gotten it from a shady used car lot, and promptly returned it, so I never had to diagnose the issue. I appreciate it.
Weight's not the only thing, there's also rolling resistance and other items. I don't know how heavy Camry's are these days but with all the safety features I assume heavy. Modern tires also tend to be grippier for safety as well, which is mostly a good thing except that they'll have more rolling resistance.
Saving gas
Kek